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Good evening councillors

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uh welcome to tonight's council meeting

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Monday the 27th of June

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2022.

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the City of Kingston proudly

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acknowledges the Bunurong people of the

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Kulin Nation as the traditional owners

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and custodians of this land and we pay

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our respects to their elders past

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present and emerging

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council acknowledges the Bunurong's

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continuing relationship to the land and

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waterways and respects that their

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connection and spiritual identity is

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maintained through ancient ceremonies

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song lines dance art and living culture

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council

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pays tribute to the invaluable

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contributions of the Bunurong and other

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aboriginal and Torres Strait islander

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elders who have guided and continue to

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guide the work that we do

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um item one is apologies

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um i've been provided with one apology

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for tonight's meeting and that's for

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councillor

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Cameron Howe

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um can i please have a move that that be

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accepted

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thank you councillor Bearsley seconded

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councillor Hua

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um i'll

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ne i'll put that to the vote all those

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in favor

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i declare that's carried

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item two is the confirmation of the

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minutes of the previous meeting

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which were held

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on the 23rd of may 2022 do i have a

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mover

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thank you counselor Davies seconded

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councillor Hill um does anyone

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wish to speak to that item

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if not i'll put it to the vote all those

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in favor

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i declare that carried

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item three foreshadowed declaration by

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councillors officers or contractors of

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any conflicts of interest

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mr mayor i'd like to declare a conflict

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of interest in confidential item 15.1 as

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it relates to

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employment matters pertaining to my

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position

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thank you mr ceo

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are there any other conflicts of

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interest

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no

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item four is petitions there are no

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petitions on tonight's agenda

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item five is presentation of awards

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there are no presentations of awards

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tonight

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item six

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is reports from delegates appointed to

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by council to various organizations

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i i just have two brief reports

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counsellors

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one is from the metropolitan waste and

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resource recovery group

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um

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unfortunately or fortunately as the case

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may be

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the

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metropolitan waste and resource recovery

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group um has just concluded its

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activities after a period of

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many years it commenced in 2006 and has

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just concluded

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this year

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and will be replaced by a new

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um statutory authority

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um called recycling victoria

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um i attended their last

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meeting

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recently uh at the

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melbourne

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um convention

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and um

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the the melbourne convention center and

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it was fantastic to catch up with all

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the other councils um after a couple of

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years of only meeting remotely um there

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were

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a number of subjects on the agenda

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including the plastic ban the plastic

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bag ban

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the roll out of the fourth bin the glass

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recycling the rollout of fogo across all

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of metropolitan melbourne um

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and several other issues including the

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waste to energy

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concept that's been discussed in the

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southeast of melbourne um and so

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it was sad to see

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um the metropolitan waste and resource

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recovery group

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wind up um however i did take it as an

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opportunity to um

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i wouldn't say thank them but certainly

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remind them of some of the differences

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of opinion that our council has had with

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the group in the past

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over kingston's role from a planning

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perspective um as as home to 31 former

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landfills um and and certainly

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kingston had been identified in the past

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as being a place where

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recycling and waste management was going

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to be an ongoing

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um concern

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that was not

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council's

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vision that was not council's view um

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certainly we had differences opinion

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about concrete crushing activities and

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other

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waste related activities within our

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municipality um

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c143 and planning scheme amendments etc

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were

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not very well supported by that group

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but nevertheless council i think did the

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best we could and managed to um progress

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our agenda as best we could

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we had some wins along the way

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um we didn't we had some losses along

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the way but nevertheless i think we we

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did the best that we could for our

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community

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and for the broader metropolitan region

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as well

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the second thing that i just wanted to

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briefly touch on

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was um the municipal association of

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victoria um we had our council meeting

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on friday um council was able uh to have

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our motion passed at the mav state

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council meeting in relation to a mo

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emotion in relation to um

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ensuring that uh supermarket venues

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couldn't

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shouldn't be allowed to be opened up

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next to pokey's venues um it was very

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very well supported by

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a significant majority of the local

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governments that were represented at the

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state council meeting and today i was um

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i spoke about it on

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abc abc774

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um so we're very happy to to have the

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support of the municipal association of

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victoria state council and hopefully um

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we can get the president to assist us in

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our advocacy strategy on that front

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um and the second is that um earlier

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last week uh we attended the australian

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a number of councillors attended the

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australian local government association

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national general assembly where our

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motion

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on um airports um and the requirement

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for reform of the aviation act and

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aviation tenancy regulations was also

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supported um almost unanimously by

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australian local government association

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members and that's something like 537

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local governments across australia

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um significantly to assist us in our

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federal advocacy

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on um airports um specifically as as you

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all know moorabbin airport is a strong

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area of concern for us

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to ensure that aviation activities are

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protected aviation businesses are

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protected and that we don't see more of

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the land

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at moorabbin converted from

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aviation uses whether it's general

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aviation or pilot training into

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say business park or non-aviation uses

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so um that was a successful week i think

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um a week that was um quite tiring and

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took its toll on some of us that um

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perhaps are a bit worse for wear by the

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end of it um so thank you to those

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councillors who who were involved in all

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of those um advocacy areas and um we'll

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ensure that we um

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we follow up and and certainly um

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you know take it on with the the

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relevant ministers at a state and

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federal level

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um

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so i'm happy to move that the delegates

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are there any other delegates reports

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pardon me

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um i'll move that the delegates reports

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be received do i have a seconder

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uh thank you councillor saab

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i'll

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does that require any debate

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i'll put that to the vote all those in

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favor

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i declare that carried

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item seven is question time so

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i'll ask the ceo to respond to the

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questions

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thank you mr mayor we have three

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questions this evening from

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two authors

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um the first question is from ryan cyril

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wardy and the question is when will

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council be providing a purple bin for

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glass only for residents to opt into

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like yarra council and brimbank are

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doing and monash council are strongly

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considering i'll have

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our general manager of infrastructure

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and open space samantha cruel to respond

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to that question

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thank you and through you mr mayor

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councils are required to implement a

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glass recycling bin by 2027

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under the state government recycling

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victoria plan 2020 kingston is currently

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planning to commence the service after

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the implementation of the state

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government container deposit scheme the

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cds which is stated to be implemented in

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2023

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the timing of the introduction of the

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glass curbside bin is yet to be

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determined by council the amount of

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glass in curbside recycled bins will

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change significantly with the

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introduction of the cds and this will

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help provide information to help inform

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the size of kerbside burns required and

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the frequency of collections

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the second question from mr cyril warden

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is what is happening with creating a

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pavement on clayton road at the back

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road intersection right through to deals

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road off heatherton road so people can

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actually use it as a walking route along

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the clayton south and clarinda borders

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again i'll ask the question to be

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answered by samantha cruel thank you and

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through you again mr mayor

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a footpath was constructed along clayton

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road from leslie road to victory road on

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the west side in the last financial year

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in 2021

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the next stage from victory road to

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heatherton road is currently in design

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and is planned to be constructed within

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the next two years subject to council

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funding

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this section was originally planned to

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be built in 2022 however there are

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design issues to overcome in the form of

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significant level differences between

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clayton road and some private properties

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above english section of clayton road

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thank you miss cruel and the final

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question for this evening mr mayor is

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from nolane hager and a question reads

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as follows i refer to my question on 28

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march regarding the installation of a

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handrail and ramp at the entrance to the

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lepage tennis club the response from the

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general manager community sustainability

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was that it was not possible to install

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a ramp but handrails would be installed

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this financial year as of last thursday

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23 june it has not been installed my

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question now is when is it going to be

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installed if not why as previously

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previously advised we have many very

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elderly ladies some with mobility

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problems who have great difficulty

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encountering the steps this is a safety

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issue i'll also ask a general energy

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infrastructure and open space samantha

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cruel to respond to this question

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thank you and through you mr mayor we'd

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like to thank ms hager for her question

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and for following up on this matter

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there has been a departure of key staff

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involved with this project which has led

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to this delay

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our manager infrastructure contacted the

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miss hager today to advise that the

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handrail has been designed and will be

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installed within the next three to four

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weeks the detail of the design will be

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sent to ms hagan we'll also keep her up

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to date on the progress

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thank you thank you mr may that

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concludes public questions

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thank you mr ceo

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and thank you miss krull you got three

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for three this evening

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um

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so now we're up to the

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on block resolution

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there are

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six

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items listed tonight

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item 8.1

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10.1 10.2

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10.4 11.1

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and 11.2

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um can i please have a counsellor move

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that those items be

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considered on block

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thank you councillor cochrane

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can i thank you councillor hill

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that's moved councillor cochran seconded

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councillor hill

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do i have a counsellor do any

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counsellors wish to speak to the any

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item within the block

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councillor oxley

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thank you i just did want to address two

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of the items in the block receiving the

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first one being 8.1 and that's the your

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ground project the kingston results and

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response

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i would just like to take the time to

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thank the officers at the city of

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kingston who have been involved in this

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project

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and the very detailed response and

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project that's actually been provided to

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us

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um it was very interesting to actually

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work through the the areas and the stats

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on which people felt unsafe in the city

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of kingston and

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see a really positive proactive response

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as to how we're going to address that um

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i note that a couple of them were along

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the long beach trail

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and that that has certainly been

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something we've heard over the years of

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people wanting some increased lighting

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through there as well as our foreshore

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parks um and the gene street reserve off

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garfield lane near southland um there's

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certainly some some areas that we've had

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feedback on over the years and it's

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really good to see council looking at

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ways that we can improve those areas

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listening to the community and

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interesting to see um the stats of those

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who actually did participate in this um

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and that the participants were i think

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upwards of

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150 to 200

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um and a number of those being women

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within the city of kingston so really

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listening to our community and making

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sure that we're able to make spaces

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safer not just for women but for

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everyone within the city of kingston

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the other one i wanted to address was

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10.1 and that's the srv

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infrastructure fund and one i

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particularly wanted to mention was the

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application the submission for the

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sports lighting upgrade at

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long beach baseball so chad's the blue

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jays down there

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this is something that i know that they

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are very very excited about to finally

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see an application coming in and the

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support and assistance that they've

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received from offices

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with the recent engagement has been

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wonderful so again i thank you to the

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support and rep team for their

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engagement involvement there um it's

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hopefully going to achieve a very good

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outcome uh for the lighting down there

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on one of their diamonds that will mean

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that more people can get out there and

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play baseball a fantastic sport and a

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fantastic location um down at

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bicentennial park so just wanted to

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thank officers for those two reports

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this evening and

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hopefully the palm beach reserve one is

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successful there

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thank you councillor oxley

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do any other

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councillor david burns thank you very

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much mayor saycos um i also wanted to

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speak about 8.1

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um

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i attended the consultation at the gene

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street reserve

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excuse me

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and it's really fantastic to see um that

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uh strip getting the upgrades that it

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needs for safety

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and as council oxley noted

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um about 94 of the respondents of that

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survey were women aged between 30 and 44

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was a predominant group that responded

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and i think safety is a really important

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issue for us to be looking at as a

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councillor group

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sorry so i was really pleased to see

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that outcome

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and the other one i just wanted to speak

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quickly to um

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10.4

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um the carbon dioxide um for waves

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leisure center and um so i'm losing my

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voice i might just leave it there but

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i'm

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very pleased to see that this is safety

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and shitty for wave stinky

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thank you councillor davey burns

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councillor cochran

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thank you mr man i actually wasn't going

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to speak to um any of these but seeing

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uh

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counselor jenna davey burns

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speak um even when she's uh quite unwell

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has inspired me so look i just wanted to

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say um definitely on the your ground i

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was i was discussing this with the

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resident um the other day and

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i i just want to highlight this that

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that some of these statistics have come

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out of that survey and that engagement

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has already resulted in outcomes for the

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more yellow community and across

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kingston so my wife and i used to always

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think going up to the maudi alec uh

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pompey sort of crossing there's a little

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um

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you know um i guess tunnel

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and we did always feel unsafe and it was

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actually interesting to see that that

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was highlighted um in the top few areas

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um

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in this survey and and we're already

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doing something about it you know

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there's cctv going in

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and extra lighting bushes have been

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trimmed back so it's good to see that

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the left hand talks to the right on this

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one and also just the sports lighting at

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um

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walter goal and the female friendly

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change rooms obviously both fantastic

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outcomes and and councillor davies and i

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have both been in constant contact with

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the president down there so uh hopefully

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uh that goes through thank you mr mayor

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thank you councillor cochrane

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are there any other counselors who wish

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to speak to this item

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if not

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i'll put it to the vote

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all those in favor

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i declare that carried

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item

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or item 8.2 is

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planning application kp 2021

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767 which is number 30 yearly street

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moorabbin

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um

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we do have

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the applicant

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registered to speak this evening

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um

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i'll ask

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governance if if they're ready to

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join

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i think it's a mr anthony

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scapacity

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yes good evening mr mayor hello and

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welcome back to our meeting thank you

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for being so patient with us

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that's okay um

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[Music]

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so

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we're ready to hear your uh presentation

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um you have three minutes uh to speak

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after which um council will consider the

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um report before us

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um and make a decision so your clock

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your timer will start as soon as you

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begin speaking thank you

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thank you and good evening councillors

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the subject site is within the major

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activity center of moorabbin one of the

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primary areas of housing change within

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kingston

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in this activity centre it's council

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policy to encourage a substantial new

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residential population

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in line with the site's destination

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within the heart of moorabbin the site

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is zoned within the activity center zone

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the key purpose of this zone is to

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deliver a diversity of housing at higher

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densities to make optimum use of

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facilities and services

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the proposal at hand is for 10 new

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dwellings in a three-story apartment

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form which accords with the overarching

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purpose of the zone and activity sent

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off as it provides a greater diversity

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of housing at higher density in the

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manner of good urban design as has been

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confirmed by both council's city place

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and design officer and council's urban

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design officer

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each of council's vegetation management

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officers traffic engineer

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environmentally sustainable design

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officer and waste management officer

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have reviewed the application in great

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detail and have all provided conditional

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consent for the proposal to proceed

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we say this is a sure sign that the

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application is an acceptable response to

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all the provisions within the kingston

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planning scheme

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the application included detailed

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discussions between the permanent

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applicant and council which helped the

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plans be revised to ensure that the

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future development of the site responded

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to the relevant policies of the planning

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scheme

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council's thorough assessment of the

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proposal and subsequent recommendation

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to approve the application attests to

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this

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it is noted that there were objections

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to the proposal which largely related to

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off-site amenity matters such as visual

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bulk overlooking privacy

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overshadowing and the general over

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development of the site

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all off-site amenity indicators are

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captured by proposals compliance with

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clause 58 of the planning scheme which

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relates to development standards for

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apartments this is an application that

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is fully compliant with all the relevant

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standards of clause 50 clause 38 which

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broadly indicates that this is a

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proposal that is cognizant of its

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adjoining interfaces and will not result

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in any tangible off side amended impacts

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all habitable room windows are screened

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to ensure that there are no downward

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views from other floors

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to the side to the north and as that

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side is to the north there'll be no

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overshadowing impacts at any time of the

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day at any time of the year

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and lastly we know there was previous

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commentary about whether this site

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should have been consolidated as part of

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its application prior to the application

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i confirmed that our client had an

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in-person discussion with the owner of

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28 hilly street to the south who advised

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they had no intention of selling their

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site

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lot consolidation with the sites of the

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north was also considered but considered

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unfeasible given that this lot was

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recently subdivided and developed with

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the duplex approximately 10 to 15 years

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ago

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in any event lot consolidation is not a

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mandatory requirement for zone and the

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notion that this site should not be

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developed for anything other than

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additions to existing dwellings despite

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overwhelming compliance with the zone

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and clause 58

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undermines the purpose of the activity

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center zone and the role of moorabbin

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major activity center

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in closing the permanent applicant

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respectfully requests that councils form

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the same view as council's planning

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officers and directed approval be

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granted for the proposal thank you

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councillors

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thank you very much for your

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presentation

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um

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you're welcome to stay on the zoom to

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listen to the deliberations of the

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council i only ask that you keep your

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camera and your microphone off for the

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duration and that you

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depart the meeting at the conclusion of

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the consideration of this matter

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um

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counselors do i have a motion

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counselor hill

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thank you mr mayor um i'd like to move

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an alternate motion thank you

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right

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and do i have a seconder

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councillor sarb

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councillor hill

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yeah thank you and again look i do i do

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think um

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uh the

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uh representative for the applicant

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um speaking this evening

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i

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look

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uh it's good to know that they have

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actually spoken to the two neighbouring

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properties or considered the two

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neighbouring properties for

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consolidation

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for me this still

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um

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it just doesn't sit quite comfortably

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with me i've got to be honest

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reading reading through the the full

00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.359
report

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uh i know there's on the i think to the

00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.759
northern aspect

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so to number uh number 32 or the two

00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.880
dwellings or number 32.

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um there are some issues in terms of

00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.359
setbacks

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i believe the first story setback was

00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:21.920
two meters the second story set back

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with three meters with that really

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should be four and a half meters

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um

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there's some other issues around the you

00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:31.279
know mentions around storage communal

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open space

00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:33.759
um

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i know

00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:35.680
you know

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we regularly come across um factors such

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as car stackers

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in in

00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:43.279
underground car parks

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these are all things when i when i put

00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.440
them all together it just

00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.920
to me suggests an over development of

00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.720
the site and then what i come back to is

00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:54.240
you know a three-story apartment

00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:58.480
development on a lot size such as this

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it's just very difficult to fit

00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.680
everything in

00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:03.599
on on a piece of land

00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:06.559
that size now i understand that the

00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.039
applicant has indeed spoken to the

00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:10.240
neighbor on the south i think that's

00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.559
number 28 and it may well be that

00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:13.920
they're not currently in a position

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.759
where they're willing to consider

00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:16.720
um

00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:18.640
uh selling their property

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but

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i do feel like

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with with the zones such as the um

00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:26.480
such as this same

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uh

00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:29.279
we're really playing a long game to try

00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:31.519
and get the very best outcome

00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.079
planning outcome in this area

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and i don't see the haste

00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:36.960
to

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um approve this development when

00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:41.759
it's very feasible that a better

00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:44.400
development will come up come about in

00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:46.880
due course when those two lots can be

00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.440
consolidated and uh we'll we'll end up

00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:51.440
with an outcome that's that's much more

00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:52.640
compliant

00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:54.640
and um that will actually

00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.759
more than likely uh you know

00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:00.720
deliver even more more dwellings um in

00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.759
this area as well and then those those

00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:05.599
issues that we've seen around setbacks

00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:08.880
and storage and car parking and um

00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.680
uh uh what's the other one communal open

00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.640
space

00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.400
fee you know it would be

00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.559
feasible that those would be no longer

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an issue that would be addressed

00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:19.519
if

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if you had a larger parcel of land to

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work with in the first place so that's

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.960
my rationale my justification um this

00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.200
evening like i do i do read

00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.359
i think it was page 71

00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.279
in the report that i was reading or in

00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:35.519
the agenda that i was reading it simply

00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:37.759
reads the associated precinct guidelines

00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:39.920
specify that any new development on

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sites of a thousand square meters or

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less with a frontage of 30 square meters

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uh 30 meters or less should not exceed a

00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.559
maximum of two stories and be limited to

00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.240
additions to uh

00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:52.960
to

00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.480
existing dwellings

00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:56.319
i know this isn't necessarily set in

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stone and i would say that you know i

00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.799
would have a different read on this if

00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.720
there wasn't an opportunity in future

00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:04.319
for consolidation

00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.519
but as there is still a possibility

00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.759
maybe not right at this very moment but

00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:11.440
at some point in the maybe the not too

00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.680
distant future i feel it would be the

00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:15.839
better planning outcome to refuse this

00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:17.759
this evening and then and then play a

00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:20.240
longer game on this particular site

00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.640
thank you

00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.400
thank you so much councillor hill

00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:27.519
um

00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:29.039
councillor saab

00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.440
thank you mr mayor i'll be

00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.319
relatively brief in my comments um and

00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.079
just want to thank councillor hill for

00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:37.599
his um

00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.039
advice and discussions on this

00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.519
particular application being

00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:43.759
somewhat of a planning expert in my

00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:44.640
books

00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.279
um so i appreciate his comments on that

00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:51.039
um my concerns really are

00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:52.880
similar to the ones that council hillary

00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.960
raised particularly around

00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.200
the activity center zone zoning of this

00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:58.160
area

00:27:58.240 --> 00:27:59.839
especially with the development that

00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:02.000
we're seeing in moorabbin um and the

00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:03.440
growth that we're seeing in robin

00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.559
junction

00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.000
i think it's really

00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:07.680
important that we

00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.599
um

00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.599
ensure the best design and planning

00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:13.839
outcomes for the area i mean as council

00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:15.119
hill mentioned given the size of the

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.400
land

00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.440
um and it was even um and i thank mr

00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.079
anthony um for his comments as well for

00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:23.359
his presentation on this particular

00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.480
application but i think um

00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:27.920
the

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.559
uh it was clear even from those comments

00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.039
that um there needs to be i guess a

00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.160
greater

00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.920
greater importance price placed on

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.440
consolidating a bit more land to be able

00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.920
to fit something of this size um and and

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.839
i think that was evident in in the

00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:43.599
application and the planning itself the

00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.519
planning application itself

00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.039
and so for those reasons and the reasons

00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.880
that council have raised i'm i'm

00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.960
supportive of this particular question

00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.400
um thank you councillor

00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:58.000
do any other counsellors wish to speak

00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.160
to this item

00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.640
counselor

00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.680
thank you mr mayor i just got a question

00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.720
i read the report it's obviously highly

00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:12.799
confined the only

00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.200
the only point that sort of variations

00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.839
sold is the camera space i just want to

00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:20.799
ask the relevant officer if we reject

00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.960
the application and

00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.400
and the applicant goes to vcat um how

00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:27.839
does that

00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.160
communal open space

00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.640
requirement being determined whether

00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.680
it's determined by the time of day

00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.799
submitting the application or by

00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.519
the time we made a decision what exactly

00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:42.880
is the

00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.119
the point of time we judge i know the

00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.480
report saying um there's a recent change

00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.200
in the requirements so what exactly is

00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:52.720
the

00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.839
benchmark we're looking

00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.160
thank you councillor juar i'll direct

00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.279
the question

00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.039
through to

00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.160
jacqueline murdock

00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.240
um the considerations will be at the

00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:09.920
time that the decision maker is

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.720
considering the application and so for

00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:13.680
the

00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.119
for now you're considering the planning

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.519
scheme as it stands at the moment

00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.920
if the application is refused and

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.960
appealed to the vcat then the vcat will

00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.119
be considering that planning scheme as

00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.119
it exists at that time

00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:31.680
thank you

00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.119
miss murak does that answer your

00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.519
question cancel yes

00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.359
are there any other questions from any

00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:38.559
other counsellors or any other

00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.599
contributions

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.400
counselor hill do you wish to close

00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:50.720
no

00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.440
in that case i'll put it to the vote

00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.519
all those in favor

00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:56.640
of the

00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.640
motion before us which is the notice of

00:30:58.720 --> 00:30:59.920
refusal

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.880
all those in favor

00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.720
all those opposed

00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.240
all those abstaining

00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.400
i declare that carried

00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.839
thank you counselors

00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.640
the next item on the agenda is item 10.3

00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.359
the dingley reserve pavilion award of

00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.160
contract for construction

00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.359
do i have a motion counselors thank you

00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.680
the officer recommendation

00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.200
thank you councillor

00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.039
the officer recommendation to have a

00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.400
secondary

00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.440
thank you councillor davies

00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.119
councillor

00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.960
thank you mr mayor i'll just quickly

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.079
move this is uh awarding the contract

00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.440
for the dignity reserve pavilion uh over

00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.519
just over six million

00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.200
of the costs and

00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:11.119
and i'll take this opportunity to thank

00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:12.480
the

00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.000
funding provided by the federal

00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.720
government 177 000

00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.680
towards these projects so this is

00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.559
pretty straightforward

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.039
indeed

00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:26.559
council davies do you wish to speak to

00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.839
the this item

00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.240
just very briefly i just wanted to

00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:33.920
obviously support council law in

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:35.519
relation to this um i think it's

00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.160
fantastic we got the extra funds from

00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.319
the federal government

00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.160
and it's always exciting when we're able

00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.000
to provide some new facilities for our

00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:45.839
residents throughout the council thank

00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.079
you

00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.200
thank you councillor davies

00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:52.559
um

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.240
do any other councils wish to speak to

00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.559
this item

00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.200
i'll just briefly state that yes it is

00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.000
good that we received the 177 thousand

00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.799
dollar grant which assisted us in um

00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.039
bridging that gap

00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.519
um in addition to the four and a half

00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.200
million dollars that we received from

00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.240
the state government um this is a going

00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.160
to be a wonderful facility

00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:19.279
um

00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.079
and um certainly the grant funding

00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:22.960
uh

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.359
has been very welcomed here

00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.559
um

00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:28.640
and um i know

00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:33.279
for certain that the um the dingley um

00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.519
football netball club and the dingley

00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.839
cricket club the dingoes they're all

00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.920
going to be very happy to see this

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.039
approved

00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.119
with the larger sized observation deck

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.960
which is something that they're all very

00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:47.920
very

00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:48.400
um

00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:49.920
[Music]

00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.640
much looking forward to um and the

00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.200
sooner we can get out and and uh break

00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.559
soil um the happier we'll all be

00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.440
so i'll i'll leave it there um counselor

00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.400
why did you want to close the debate no

00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:05.920
all right i'll

00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.239
i'll now put that to the vote all those

00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.880
in favor

00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.920
i declare that carried

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.400
thank you counselors

00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.920
item 10.5 is the disc golf feasibility

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:25.760
report and it's

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:27.920
moved by councillor oxley the officer

00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:29.360
recommendation

00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.039
yes do i have a second up

00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.440
thank you councillor besley

00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.679
councillor oxley

00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.000
thank you just briefly um and i won't go

00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.119
over all of the numbers that i went

00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.199
through at the last meeting when this

00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.599
came to us but there were some fantastic

00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.519
responses that we received when we had

00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:49.280
our come and try a day at bicentennial

00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.920
park for disc golf um and the one start

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.119
that i will go through is that not a

00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.559
single negative comment from 180 surveys

00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.159
was received which i think is an

00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.000
absolutely fantastic response from the

00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.880
community um this isn't just for the

00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.199
melbourne disc golf club this is for the

00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.199
kingston community to come down to a

00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:08.960
very very well used park

00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:10.800
um to come down and play disc golf so

00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.360
endorsing that as the preferred location

00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:14.800
and going through potentially some of

00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.679
the planning for that um and engage

00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.360
again with the community to make sure

00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.199
that this is something that they would

00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.320
like that it is going to work within the

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:25.199
um

00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.039
the current reserve because there are

00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:28.320
obviously a lot of things that go on at

00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.639
bicentennial park and just doing that

00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.320
sort of due diligence and engaging with

00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:33.920
the community again

00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.199
and receiving that report back in the

00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:36.719
future is something i'm very much

00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.639
looking forward to hope that this can go

00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.119
ahead and i know that there are a very

00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.800
exciting group of people

00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:44.559
um not only the melbourne disc golf club

00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.320
but within our community who are waiting

00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:48.239
for this and hoping that this happens

00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.159
sooner rather than later so i look

00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.920
forward to seeing this progress

00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.559
thank you councillor oxley

00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.119
councillor besley

00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.360
no your reserve

00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.360
are there any other council councillor

00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.199
eden

00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:06.960
uh yes thank you mr mayor i would just

00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.000
endorse

00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.239
uh this proposal to the council i know a

00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:11.679
number of years ago when we put it in

00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.039
the

00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.679
north waters one of the first test sites

00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.519
uh the community has received it very

00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.159
warmly and the number of people who

00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.000
previously weren't involved necessarily

00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.840
in sport who are now

00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.679
you know going out there and uh

00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:27.280
increasing the time they're spinning

00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.519
outdoors through passive recreation has

00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.599
been quite substantial when you consider

00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:32.880
the

00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.480
relatively small amount of investment

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.119
that these courses take

00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.360
um so kingston will become you know one

00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.039
of the places to go if you're a disc

00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:42.960
golf uh player

00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.280
and in particular a lot of people travel

00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.199
all around victoria to come to these

00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.719
courses so

00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:50.400
you know as one would expect the local

00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:52.400
businesses will benefit that when groups

00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.039
of say 20 to 30 people you know come

00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:56.719
down for a day they then go to local

00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.039
coffee shops shopping strips etc so i

00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.599
think that having these courses

00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.159
uh locally will not only bring about a

00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.719
lot of enjoyment on the course but also

00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.840
um around the local areas too including

00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:11.519
shopping strips

00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.400
in our community i know that these

00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.159
feedback and surveying that has been

00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.239
done has indicated overwhelming support

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.440
for it

00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.760
even by those people who were relatively

00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.440
skeptical to begin with they said when

00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.039
they actually saw it in practice that

00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:27.119
worked very well in the space it's been

00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.159
proposed thank you

00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.519
thank you councillor eden

00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.559
counselor cochran

00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.480
thank you mr mayor um

00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.719
i've been really 50 50 on this one and

00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.199
i've spoken to councillors and uh had a

00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.840
bit of a look at disc golf online and

00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.599
i'm always supportive i must preface

00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:53.039
this by saying i'm always supportive of

00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.679
getting people out and active and and

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:57.760
not everyone you know wants to jump onto

00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.639
a football field or use

00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.280
sporting club rooms for example and some

00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.760
people might like that i guess uh more

00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.000
peaceful tranquil some type of exercise

00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.159
which is disc golf and it is definitely

00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.880
different i just have a question in um

00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.400
for our officers

00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:15.519
um

00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.199
i just want to know

00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:18.400
the this is

00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.079
there's there's like twenty thousand

00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.199
dollars worth of like disc baskets

00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.079
is this and and and quite a lot of money

00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:27.679
that's gone to like

00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:29.679
um

00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.559
to investigating this like is there a

00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.679
set of rules or council oxy might

00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.360
know being a main driver of this but is

00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.440
there a set of rules around disc golf to

00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.760
say that we have to utilize like

00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.559
specific equipment that's up to the disc

00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.360
golf associations standard because i

00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.000
feel like with a chain and some nets um

00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:51.599
you know it is quite an exorbitant

00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.360
amount of money and maybe council

00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.599
officers might be able to um

00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:56.800
engage

00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.199
an independent supplier to manufacture

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:03.119
the course for a much cheaper price

00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:06.719
sorry did you want to direct that

00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.519
question to an officer or would you like

00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.840
councillor oxley to address those

00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.920
questions in her closing statements i

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.639
think uh so two parts to that sorry mr

00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.119
man it would be great if there is if the

00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:20.480
officers are

00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.239
aware if

00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.920
council themselves could have the

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.880
baskets manufactured and the equipment

00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.320
required to make a disc golf course at a

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.119
cheaper price

00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.440
i will

00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.679
through the ceo i'll direct the question

00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.760
i think to miss krull

00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:45.440
thank you mr mayor thank you councillor

00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.519
cochran so not knowing much about disc

00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:49.360
golf my understanding is that there are

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.280
there is specific equipment that needs

00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.920
to meet a certain standard to

00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.000
ensure that the equipment and the

00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.480
facility is safe for use

00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.719
when we do go out to tend it will be a

00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:03.440
public tender process so any supplier

00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.119
will have an opportunity to put forward

00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.360
a submission and to put forth a tender

00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.519
and a methodology which will be assessed

00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:11.599
by officers at that point in time to

00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:13.920
make sure that we get the best value of

00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.599
best value for money for council

00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.400
thank you

00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.360
thank you for the response miss krull

00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:25.199
um councillor cochran did you have

00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.519
further remarks or do you have would you

00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.239
like to um ask further questions uh i

00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.079
think council

00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:33.679
that's okay for the time being thank you

00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:34.719
mr man

00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.440
right thank you councillor cochran

00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.360
councillor hill

00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.320
yeah thanks mr mayor and look just i

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.159
like i guess i should preface it by

00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:45.199
saying

00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.679
like uh councillor cochran has already

00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.079
mentioned and and i know uh council

00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.559
oxley and eden councillor eden i've also

00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.800
spoken to just you know what we're

00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.840
trying to do is get people outdoors

00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.320
and and enjoying an active lifestyle a

00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:01.920
healthy active lifestyle in the city of

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.320
kingston i think this is just a really

00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.880
um you know great way of of encouraging

00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.639
people who might not otherwise be using

00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:09.679
some other

00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.239
facilities that we offer um

00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.079
to be utilized you know to to make the

00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.679
most of

00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.159
this golf course in the south

00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.840
um now saying that there um was an email

00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.079
that we received from a resident that

00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.320
just brought into question some

00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:29.440
potential matters around uh you know

00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.760
maybe even a conflict of interest so i

00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.880
just can ask the responsible officer

00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.159
um

00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.960
and it relates to rad or or recreational

00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.599
activity design that the consult the

00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.159
firm that we consult with to produce the

00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:45.119
report

00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.840
wouldn't it all be deemed a conflict of

00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.440
interest that they've produced the

00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:50.480
report

00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.599
and they ultimately you know may

00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:56.159
down the track um choose to tender

00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:57.519
to um

00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.039
you know to offer us the service to

00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.360
project to produce the actual

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.199
um course itself uh

00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.559
yeah that's just a question to the

00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.480
relevant officer thanks

00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:09.840
certainly i'll

00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:11.599
thank you for the question i'll direct

00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.760
the i'll direct the question through to

00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.760
the manager of governance mr delosa

00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.079
thank you

00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.239
question today in terms of that question

00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.320
that cancer hill just raised in relation

00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.159
to conflict of interest

00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.800
i'll raise a few points that came out of

00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.239
our review of this matter today

00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.119
um

00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:36.239
first of all we don't believe there's a

00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.639
conflict of interest

00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:40.400
at present

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.880
the feasibility study

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.519
was sought

00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.239
from a company who had expertise in this

00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.239
area and there's very limited

00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.039
expertise in this in this

00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.159
type of field in the sporting field

00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.519
the quote for the feasibility study was

00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.159
sought under our procurement policy so

00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:03.760
it meets the requirements of our

00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:05.519
procurement policy

00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:06.639
the

00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.960
piece of work came in at under five

00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:10.800
thousand dollars which again meets our

00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.559
requirements and the procurement policy

00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:16.000
[Music]

00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.960
if this matter was to progress further

00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.960
down the stage where we were seeking

00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.639
tender responses or quotes for works

00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.119
around this project

00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.800
we would make

00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.000
the information of the feasibility study

00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.199
available to all prospective

00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:38.960
tenderers

00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:41.920
and in doing so we think that would

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.920
create a level playing field

00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:44.719
so

00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.880
of course we wouldn't know who would be

00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.280
putting in for that tinder or quote if

00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.440
we got to that situation

00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.559
but overall in having reviewed it we're

00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:56.000
confident that there's no conflict of

00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.679
interest situation in the horizons

00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.840
okay

00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.559
thank you mr mr delisa um

00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.039
i did have a second question for you mr

00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.159
mayor um and it was just relating to and

00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:12.239
again to the relevant officer

00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:13.199
um

00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.679
now i noted that this

00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.079
amount that i think it's it's estimated

00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.320
to be in the region of 200-250 it's not

00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.119
currently budgeted for um so just what

00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:24.639
is the process

00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.119
if we were to endorse the report this

00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.360
evening what what the next steps look

00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.679
like

00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:34.079
certainly

00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.760
i'll direct that through the ceo

00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.880
i guess to um

00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:42.719
mr

00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.800
is it

00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.000
to the chief financial officer

00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.920
um through you mr man maybe mr kroll

00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.159
might be our best question let's call it

00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:57.039
the moment

00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:01.280
sorry oh yes of course yeah me miss crap

00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.840
thank you thank you to you mr mayor so

00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:06.159
um this report calls for

00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.400
um council to receive a future report at

00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:10.320
a future council meeting with feedback

00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:11.280
and

00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:13.360
more detail around the course layout and

00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.639
more detailed costings around the course

00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.639
the process then mr mayor would be that

00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:19.760
this

00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.159
project would then form part of a either

00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.480
a future budget cycle process for

00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:26.320
council to consider funding in future

00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.320
budgets however if there's direction

00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.000
from council to consider how we could

00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:33.679
fund it in the 2223 budget that report

00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.119
and that discussion would be had with

00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.599
councillors including um

00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:41.199
providing a context on affordability and

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.360
potential impact or changes in the capex

00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.480
budget but once this um future report

00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.239
around the detail of the course ladder

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.079
is presented to council we'll have a

00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.400
much better understanding of financial

00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.159
commitments and we'll be able to provide

00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.920
some context around future funding

00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:01.840
counselor hill does that respond to your

00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.880
questions yes no it does thanks mr mayor

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.679
thank you thank you miss crowl um

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.719
just some closing comments just around

00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.000
like again i go back to you know i'm a

00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:15.440
great supporter of getting people

00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.480
outdoors and and getting people active

00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:20.559
um it's not an insignificant amount of

00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.679
it if

00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.800
if the um projection of a cost of in the

00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.760
range of you know 200 to 250

00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.639
dollars is accurate um

00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.760
i i do know however you know we're often

00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.239
um investing you know really significant

00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.320
sums of money in things such as

00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:40.480
pavilions and sporting fields and you

00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.280
know resurfacing of existing fields that

00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:44.719
that type of thing

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.639
like i just think that this is a a good

00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:48.719
way to get people who may not be active

00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:50.400
in some other sports

00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:51.679
outside

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:52.800
and um

00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.280
i think i you know having heard from the

00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.079
officers i'm confident that you know

00:46:58.159 --> 00:46:59.119
we've

00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:00.719
uh

00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:02.880
we've sort of covered off the the

00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.039
concerns that the resident raised and

00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.119
and i'm comfortable to support this this

00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.000
evening thank you

00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.360
you councillor hill

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.280
do any other councillors wish to speak

00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.320
to this item

00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.440
councillor oxley do you wish to close

00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:24.960
thank you yes i will just address a

00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:26.400
couple of comments that have been made

00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.800
um i will note that the costing that

00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.800
looks to have been provided

00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.639
um is for the 18 whole course which i

00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:35.440
think

00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:36.880
looks at a

00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.280
12 hole

00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:41.599
plus a couple of additional baskets i

00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:43.039
think the way that we were looking at it

00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.360
was going to be a 9

00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.320
dual basket um but there's options

00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:49.679
within there that will obviously come

00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.280
out of community consultation which i

00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:52.800
think was why there was such a huge

00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:53.840
range

00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:54.719
um

00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.840
for the costings um so essentially what

00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.400
we're getting is an 18 hole course in

00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:01.679
the space of

00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.800
nine um which i think is a really good

00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.880
option there as well but the this is

00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:08.719
subject to community consultation it is

00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.320
a highly used reserve and i think we

00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.239
will get some feedback on the course

00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:13.679
design which i think is very very

00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:15.920
important um to ensure that we're able

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.159
to cater for everyone at bicentennial

00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.440
park without being a risk to people

00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:22.800
and i think that's really important part

00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:24.960
of the community consultation as well

00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:26.800
so whilst

00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:30.320
you know at 6.50 i think for each basket

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:31.920
i think when we looked at this last time

00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.840
the lowest we could get them from and i

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:35.440
think that was importing them ourselves

00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.280
that were actually to the standard was

00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.800
about 450 so there's not necessarily a

00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:42.239
huge difference

00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:43.760
because we did investigate this last

00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.039
time because we were surprised at the

00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:46.559
cost

00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:48.239
there wasn't a huge difference by the

00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:49.679
time you then took into consideration

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.639
everything else we did look at last time

00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.280
um getting them manufactured locally and

00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.039
that wasn't a cost-effective solution

00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.199
either the reason why they are so

00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.599
expensive is they do have to be suitable

00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.719
for use outdoors with people potentially

00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.280
trying to vandalize them and they do get

00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.840
vandalized some of the time um we have

00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.280
been pretty lucky with the course at

00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.280
bald hill that it's actually been looked

00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.519
after incredibly well but i know that i

00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.159
do get comments sometimes that um the

00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.440
melbourne disc golf club and some of

00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:20.800
their members have

00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.960
repaired some of the baskets um

00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.400
themselves when they've gone down there

00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:26.000
and used them so

00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.000
for the most part it's it's a pretty

00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:29.599
good activity to be done for a

00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:31.760
relatively low cost that gets looked

00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.199
after pretty well by the community in a

00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.679
public space so i'm all for it and look

00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:37.119
forward to receiving consultation

00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.320
results from the community

00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.159
thank you councillor oxley

00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.039
i'll now put this item to the boat

00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.159
all those in favor

00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.320
i declare that carried

00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:09.280
item 11.3 is the quick response grants

00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.800
do i have emotion counselors

00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.000
counselor hill

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.519
counselor hill um please unmute yourself

00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.639
sorry had to be one of us

00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.039
um yeah look i'm proposing just to move

00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.519
the officer recommendation with one

00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.039
amendment um which relates to the

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.519
uh quick response grant for the country

00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.320
women's association mentone branch

00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:41.599
and uh

00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:43.760
i was proposing that we increased that

00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.920
to the maximum amount fifteen hundred

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.519
dollars

00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.760
okay so you'll move the motion as it

00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:51.920
appears on the screen right okay do i

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.039
have a second uh thank you councillor

00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.239
saab

00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.039
councillor hill

00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.559
yeah thanks mr look i won't speak uh too

00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.760
long on this one um i did actually call

00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:11.920
uh a lady uh who's uh a contact at the

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.480
mentone branch of the country women's

00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.000
association

00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.159
and just asked because the original

00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.800
request had been for 700

00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.320
um and what she said to me was that uh

00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:25.599
she thought

00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.679
she wasn't entirely sure or confident of

00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.199
the process and she just felt that that

00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.440
was maybe the most that they could ask

00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:32.400
for

00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:33.360
um

00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:34.239
but

00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:35.440
not realizing that they could have

00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.159
actually asked for a larger amount um

00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:39.920
she also made the point that you know

00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.599
sometimes the ladies they're actually

00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:43.920
buying their own will wool and funding

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.320
it themselves so i just felt it was

00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.920
appropriate to

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.880
uh increase that amount to the maximum

00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:52.320
amount because at the end of the day

00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.039
they do provide a fantastic service and

00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:56.000
um

00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:57.039
you know

00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.039
i think it's fair that we give them the

00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:00.159
the support

00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.960
that we that we are able to give them

00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:04.800
so that that was uh really the long and

00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.239
short of it thank you

00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.199
thank you councillor hill

00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.239
councillor saab

00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.320
i'll just talk very briefly to it if i

00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.320
can mr mayor um i think this is a really

00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.559
good amendment to this motion i think

00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:21.440
um

00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:23.039
we should be supporting this group i

00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.679
think uh in general our quick response

00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.199
grants is a really good tool for our

00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:28.639
community and i encourage other

00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.000
community groups who are listening or

00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:31.199
others who are listening into our

00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.440
meetings who i know of community groups

00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:34.239
who

00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:35.599
are looking for some support from

00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:37.119
council that this is a really good tool

00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.760
to utilize to get this type of support

00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:42.400
for whatever they or whatever project or

00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.440
item that they're particularly trying to

00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.760
focus on i also just wanted to note the

00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:47.280
great service that the kingston toy

00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:48.719
library does as well while also

00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:50.320
receiving a grant in this particular

00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:51.760
round of funding

00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:52.880
um

00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:54.400
and

00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:55.199
that

00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.480
that is all my comments thanks mr

00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.800
thank you councillor sar

00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.199
councillor cochrane

00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.360
thank you mr mayor um

00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.199
i'm not i guess i'm not explicitly aware

00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.440
of the process from when you know the

00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:10.960
applications are received by our

00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.039
officers but maybe just uh an

00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:14.960
off-the-cuff recommendation that the

00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.199
officer team could have that discussion

00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.599
with the applicant in the future and and

00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:21.840
uh maybe discuss what their their

00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.239
options are in terms of funding levels

00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:27.119
up to that 1500 because i know

00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:28.800
seeing these grant applications come

00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:30.559
through on a monthly basis

00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.320
there is a very common theme that we do

00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.440
see um a lot of organizations that might

00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.000
not necessarily be up to date

00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.280
or have the time to invest in in really

00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:42.960
reading the application thoroughly and

00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:44.639
understanding what they are able to

00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.280
apply for so i guess it would just uh be

00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:49.679
good for our officer team to walk some

00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.159
of the applicants through the process um

00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.000
and what their entitlements might be i

00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:55.199
shouldn't say entitlements but what

00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.360
they're able to apply for thank you mr

00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:01.199
may thank you councillor cochran

00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.119
any other comments in relation to this

00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.320
item councillors

00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.199
no

00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.760
councillor hill do you wish to close

00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.079
no thanks mr man

00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.559
in that case i'll put it to the vote

00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.679
all those in favor

00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.519
i declare that carried

00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.320
item 11.4

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.840
is the governance rules

00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.039
moved councillor saab do i have a

00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:39.840
secondary

00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.280
thank you councillor besley

00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.119
councillor saab

00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:46.800
i'll be really brief because i believe

00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.400
there'll be some additional discussions

00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:52.239
and debates on um further

00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.000
i think this is really important that we

00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:57.440
adopt these new governance rules um

00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.159
just to ensure integrity and and um

00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:01.679
proper discussion in

00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.400
uh the way council is held

00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.599
um i might just leave it there for now

00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.440
thank you

00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.000
councillor besley your reserve

00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:12.960
yes

00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.119
um councillor davies

00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.000
you do you have an amendment yes i do mr

00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:22.079
mayor my amendment could be placed up

00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.440
do i have it so do you want to read that

00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:27.360
out

00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:28.559
sorry i'm just going to move my screen

00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:29.519
slightly

00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:30.559
sure

00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.440
um that pursuant to section 60 bracket

00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.480
full bracket of the local government act

00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.400
2020 council proceed with community

00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:42.079
consultation subject to sub rule 26.8

00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:44.400
being amended to read as follows

00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:46.719
where a motion is in two or more parts

00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.199
upon request from a councillor the chair

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.239
may at his or her discretion put each

00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.639
part to the vote separately

00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:55.840
so

00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:57.920
what i am let me ask for a second to

00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.400
first sorry councillor davies

00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.400
secretary councillor cochran

00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.559
uh councillor davies you may speak to

00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:06.239
the amendment now

00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.400
thank you mr mayor so what i am seeking

00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:10.880
to do for those who are watching online

00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.119
they will see that those original

00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.960
um the original proposed amendment 26.8

00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.320
has in effect a veto element to it in

00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.119
terms of and agreed to by the mover and

00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.440
secondary so those are the words that

00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.719
i'm not supportive of um i found in the

00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.000
year and a half that i've been on the

00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.159
council a lot of motions have come

00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:34.960
before me that are in parts

00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:37.119
some of those parts i have no issues

00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.199
with and i agree to and other parts of

00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:40.400
the motion

00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.320
i have real issues with and disagree

00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.639
with and i do think it's important that

00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.960
all of the counsellors and there's 11 of

00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:47.760
us

00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:50.719
have the ability if we want to

00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.119
to make a request of the mayor which at

00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.360
the mayor's discretion can be allowed or

00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.519
disallowed to look at each of those

00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.079
items separately and i think by having a

00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.320
separate vote it enables each of the

00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:04.639
counselors to express their concerns or

00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.360
their support for a particular motion

00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.280
it might be the case that you agree with

00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.199
three of the four elements

00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:12.960
it's just one that you don't and if

00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:14.239
we're left with the position where the

00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.639
mover and the seconder are not prepared

00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.360
to um agree to that

00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.199
then i'm left with no option but to vote

00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:22.719
the entire thing down

00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.360
which may not necessarily be the outcome

00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.280
that we as a council should be seeking

00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:29.360
so i do think it is important that we're

00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.119
given the option

00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:32.960
um and it is a discretion obviously it's

00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:34.320
obviously up to the mayor at the end of

00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:35.679
the day whether that discretion is

00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:36.880
allowed

00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.239
but i do think it is important that

00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:40.880
we're given the chance to consider a

00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:42.880
vote in two or more parts

00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.280
thank you

00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.480
thank you councillor davies um council

00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:50.320
cochran do you wish to speak to the

00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:51.840
amendment

00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:56.159
no your reserve counselor oxley

00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.239
thank you mr mayor um look i have a real

00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.079
issue with this one and i initially

00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.719
raised this at the um governance

00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:03.760
committee

00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:05.199
that we had when we discussed the

00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.239
governance rules in great length

00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:10.159
and part of the issue i have is and the

00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.079
perfect example i can give

00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:12.960
is if

00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:14.880
someone is moving a motion and part one

00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:16.559
of the motion reads that we remove

00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:18.960
funding from a particular group

00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:21.920
and we allocate it to perhaps another

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.639
group um it could be a group that's

00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.719
amalgamated or it could be something

00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.119
along those lines where if a counsellor

00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.360
requests that that be put in part

00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.360
my name is the mover of that motion

00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:35.280
where the intention is to redirect

00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.320
funding from someone to someone else

00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.159
could very well mean that funding is

00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:41.840
just removed from a group without being

00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:43.519
redirected to a source if a councillor

00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.119
wanted that to happen

00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.079
and i have a real issue with that and if

00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:50.239
this is passed tonight and council

00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:51.840
supports this then i would be

00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:53.599
foreshadowing another amendment that

00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.400
would allow them the mover and seconder

00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.639
of that motion if it is then put in

00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.639
parts to withdraw their moving and

00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.480
seconding because the idea of counsel is

00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.960
that if emotion comes and when i write

00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.679
my emotions i write them with an intent

00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.760
and whilst there may be parts of it that

00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.920
other counselors may not agree with if

00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.480
they don't agree with the overall intent

00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.960
then vote it down

00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:18.320
but at the end of the day

00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.159
and i said this at cis so this won't

00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.559
come as a surprise emotions that come to

00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:24.480
council that get butchered

00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.760
by people wanting to put them in parts

00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.519
defeats the purpose and it has on a

00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:30.960
number of occasions when i've moved

00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:33.760
motions has defeated the whole intention

00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:34.960
of emotion

00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:36.639
where someone has requested it simply

00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:37.679
because they don't agree with the

00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.280
overall thing but they don't want to be

00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.440
seen to not support something

00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:42.639
and that's where i think this is going

00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:44.000
and it's happened on a number of

00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.159
occasions if you don't support something

00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.480
vote against it stand by your views and

00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:49.599
vote against something if you don't

00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:50.800
support it

00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:51.760
but

00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:53.760
to be able to butcher someone's motion

00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.480
to put them in parts and for something

00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.159
to potentially get through that is

00:59:58.239 --> 00:59:59.840
completely against the intent of the

00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:02.079
overall motion i think is not what we

01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.000
try to achieve as a council and if you

01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.280
want to vote against something vote

01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:06.800
against something

01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:08.480
every council has done that we we do it

01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:09.679
often enough

01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.000
but i think it really does defeat the

01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:13.039
purpose

01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.840
if we're putting it in parts and it

01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:18.000
changes the intent of the motion i would

01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.639
feel more comfortable if this said

01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:22.320
that it would be put in parts if it

01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.000
doesn't change the overall intent of the

01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:25.280
motion and we have that wording

01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:27.119
elsewhere in the governance rules

01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.440
um but otherwise i would be as i said

01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:31.440
foreshadowing that our other amendment

01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:32.559
that would mean that the mover and

01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.280
second uh can withdraw their names um

01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:36.880
which would make it very complicated in

01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.880
terms of the running of the meeting but

01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:40.079
i think that that would be a better

01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:41.840
outcome than having people associated

01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.280
with motions that they potentially don't

01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.480
want to be associated with

01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.480
thank you councillor oxley

01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.800
do any other counsellors wish to speak

01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:53.519
to

01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.840
this amendment

01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:00.639
um

01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:03.920
thank you look um

01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.800
i think i saw councillor

01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.000
saab

01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.639
um councillor eden and councillor davey

01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.000
burns all rise their hands um

01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:17.280
some physically and some electronically

01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.840
um so we might go with councillor saab

01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.039
first

01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.039
um and then council reading and then

01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:26.800
councillor david burns okay

01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:28.800
um

01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.480
i just wanted to express that i'm

01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:32.000
supportive of this particular motion i

01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:34.000
think it's really important to note that

01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.880
a lot of the decisions of motions that

01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.599
we vote on as a council

01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:41.679
are very intricate in detail and complex

01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:43.440
and they're not so straightforward in

01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:46.079
which we want to vote down an entirety

01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:48.719
of emotion but ordinarily

01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.199
we want to in premise support something

01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:52.639
so i think it's good that we can vote

01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:54.639
for things in part because at least then

01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:57.360
we're able to um

01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:59.760
influence the parts of emotion which we

01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:01.199
are supportive of which is really

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:02.719
important in general when we're

01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.599
discussing on debating items um

01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:07.599
otherwise we're really just losing

01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.360
a whole piece of

01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:11.039
discussion or debate and then in the end

01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:12.480
it would kind of worse off unless we're

01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.960
moving multiple motions constantly of

01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.119
voting a whole block down just to vote

01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:18.800
the word change here or a word change

01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:19.920
there so i think it's really important

01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:21.440
that we actually have the ability to

01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.480
vote for things in part um

01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:26.639
and that's essentially all i wanted to

01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.639
add my comments on just why i'm so

01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.400
supportive of this particular amendment

01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.199
thank you councillor

01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:36.239
saab

01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:37.760
councillor eden

01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:39.519
uh yes thank you mr mayor i did just

01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:40.719
want to

01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.280
raise one issue and then i guess flag uh

01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.000
what may occur if this is successful the

01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:48.480
first issue and i remember i think was

01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:50.000
councillor brownlee's a number of years

01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.000
ago he had a motion uh and i'm not

01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:53.920
creating verbatim but it effectively

01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.280
said reduce the funding to councils i

01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.119
think it was art department or arts

01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:01.360
budget or events

01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:03.599
and in exchange

01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:06.079
i think it was reduce the rate increase

01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:08.400
um your memory might

01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:10.159
serve you better on that but effectively

01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:12.400
he said let's remove some money from i

01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.440
think it was events and arts and in turn

01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:17.280
that will reduce the amount by which the

01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.119
budget rate increase

01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.119
would go up by

01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:22.639
there was a discussion at the time and i

01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:25.199
remember um conversation occurring

01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.920
saying that was his proposal

01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.320
and that was the proposal that he wanted

01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:31.760
voted on

01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:33.519
rather than a situation where someone

01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:35.119
says well i'll just vote on the part

01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.280
that says we reduce our rates but i'm

01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:38.800
going to vote against the part that

01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.280
actually says where we reduce that

01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.519
funding from in which case had that

01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.360
occurred you'd end up with a direction

01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.239
to officers to reduce a rate increase

01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.639
but save the councillors from actually

01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:52.639
making the tough decision of indicating

01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:54.559
where they wanted that funding to come

01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:55.760
from

01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:57.840
and whether you agree with that sort of

01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:01.199
situation or not is a side issue

01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:03.679
but quite often and i've seen

01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:05.599
a number of notices of motion where they

01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:06.400
say

01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:07.840
you know the council right to the

01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.639
minister and two that council offer to

01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:13.440
contribute you know 50 towards the

01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.119
project

01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.360
there may not have been any benefit in

01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.199
writing to the minister had that point

01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:20.880
passed if council wasn't going to do

01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.199
anything or contribute anything

01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.360
and i think it undermines sometimes what

01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.440
the overall intent is and whilst that

01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.519
discretion may sit with

01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:31.840
the mayor of the day sometimes you know

01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:33.280
you'll find a mayor who might just go

01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:34.719
well i'll just let everything be put in

01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.599
part whenever someone requests her or a

01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:39.199
mayor who says no

01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:42.000
i'm going to take the alternate approach

01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:42.719
but

01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:44.480
i do know that that has caused issues in

01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:46.719
the past particularly when one is

01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.039
contingent on another point

01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:51.039
um so that is one particular issue but

01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.920
the second part and i've seen it occur

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.280
over the years and i think it actually

01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.960
happened after

01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.800
one counselor had moved a number of

01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:00.800
motions over a number of months all

01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.360
bullet pointed and each bullet point was

01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:05.360
put to a vote every time and they said

01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.199
the council is continuing to play games

01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:08.719
with my emotions

01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:10.079
i'll just stick it all in the one

01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:12.239
paragraph remove the commas and the full

01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:13.280
stops

01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:14.960
and you can just have one big chunk of

01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.440
text and vote on it that way

01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:19.599
because you can't easily in a meeting

01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:21.280
start playing around with everyone's

01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:23.360
sentences and trying to recreate it into

01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.519
some new creation

01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:26.559
so i think

01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:28.800
you know it may mean that motions become

01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:30.639
less clear

01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.199
and less easy to follow a vote on if

01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:34.800
people feel that they'll be stuck in a

01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.199
situation where emotion

01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.280
uh could be put in individual parts

01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.599
where they feel that the whole premise

01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:43.840
of the motion is tied together so it has

01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:45.360
happened in the past

01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:46.880
and it could happen again i guess if

01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.199
this you know process were to occur

01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:51.840
thank you

01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:54.320
thank you councillor eden

01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:56.159
councillor david burns

01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.039
thank you mr cost i just wanted to offer

01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.360
um support for councillor davies moving

01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.039
this amendment

01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.679
and offer the alternative view that

01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.159
voting in parts is actually

01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:10.159
an attempt by the councillor group to

01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:11.280
display

01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:13.679
collaborative approaches to problem

01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:14.800
solving

01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:16.719
i fully appreciate what council oxley

01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.599
has said and also support her motion

01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:21.920
for a counsellor to not have their name

01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:23.440
recorded against something that they

01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:24.719
don't support

01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.679
i think they're both actually in line

01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:29.360
with this particular motion here and

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:30.880
that is that each counselor should have

01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.280
the right to be able to vote for what

01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:35.280
they feel is right

01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:36.880
in response to the point about

01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:38.800
counselors feeling

01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:40.880
um concerned about not voting for

01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.199
something we're writing it down

01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.679
not wanting to make it you know

01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:47.519
i wanting to look bad i don't believe

01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:49.119
that's why the counsellor group choose

01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:50.880
to vote in parts i think it is because

01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.599
we feel very passionate about particular

01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:54.639
points

01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:56.960
and we also want to try and ensure that

01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:58.880
we can get the best outcome for our

01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:00.880
community which is why voting in parts

01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:02.719
works for most of us as a group thank

01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:04.960
you

01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:09.440
thank you councillor david burns

01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:10.960
um

01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:15.280
look in terms of this um amendment

01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.039
uh i'll suggest that there's been

01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:19.679
adequate debate at this stage

01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.760
um and i'll put it

01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:23.679
unless there's anyone else wishing to

01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:24.960
speak

01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.760
i'll put it to the vote

01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:32.079
all those in favor of this amendment

01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.719
all those opposed

01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:39.119
abstaining

01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:42.920
i declare that carried

01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:47.920
cancel oxley

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.760
i'd just like to move another amendment

01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:52.000
to this motion to the substantive

01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:55.079
certainly

01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:58.480
yeah as it appears

01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.119
thank you councillor oxley

01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:02.239
um

01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.639
this one's in relation to reading out

01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:05.760
votes

01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.960
um do i have a second uh

01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.280
counselor eden

01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:13.519
uh councillor oxley

01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:15.280
thank you i won't go into great detail

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.079
as this was discussed at length at cis

01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.800
um what i'm basically seeking is as an

01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.720
accessibility measure um this was

01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.039
actually raised with me um by members of

01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:26.399
our access and equity committee and a

01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:27.520
couple of other residents in the

01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.439
community who regularly watch our

01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:31.600
council meetings um who find it

01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:34.079
difficult to see

01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.479
which councillors uh vote and which way

01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:38.319
councillors vote um which i can

01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:39.439
understand there have been a number of

01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:40.800
times where i've looked over live

01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:42.880
streams um and have found it difficult

01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:44.319
myself you have to pause right at the

01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:45.840
exact moment in order to work out which

01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.199
way the vote went

01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:48.079
um

01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:49.920
which i think is a very important

01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:51.680
transparency measure to be able to make

01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:52.720
sure that

01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:54.319
people in our community

01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:56.000
can access our council meetings they

01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:58.000
might not always be able to join us in

01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.640
person but for those who may very well

01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:02.800
be visually impaired and this was

01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.039
something i didn't even think about

01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.119
until it was raised with me and we've

01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.039
put in a number of um measures there and

01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:10.560
we're investigating a number of others

01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:12.640
in terms of captioning of our council

01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:14.560
meetings to make sure that anyone in our

01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:16.960
community can come and they can watch

01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:19.199
our council meetings they can access and

01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:20.960
come along and join like anyone else

01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:23.920
would if they have a disability

01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:25.680
when this was raised with me i went and

01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:26.960
i actually had a look at our council

01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:28.800
meetings and i closed my eyes and

01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:30.079
listened to it

01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:30.880
and

01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:33.359
it's very very hard to follow along and

01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.359
it's very very hard to see who voted for

01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:36.159
what

01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.239
it's very very hard to see the minutes

01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:39.760
and the agendas when they're up on the

01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:41.920
screen and if you are someone who is

01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.399
visually impaired or you don't have any

01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.560
sight at all

01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:47.920
accessing our council meetings and

01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:49.840
participating in our council meetings is

01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.520
really really difficult

01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.840
so i wanted to put this forward and i

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.119
did promise the resident that i would

01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:56.960
put this forward to make sure that we

01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:58.399
would be able to

01:09:58.479 --> 01:09:59.920
have everyone in our community access

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.600
our council meetings that's something

01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:03.920
that i am really passionate about um

01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:05.920
something that this this community

01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.520
member was really passionate about and

01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:08.880
the group that sort of formed around

01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:09.760
this

01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:10.640
um

01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:11.600
and

01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:13.920
i know is something that council really

01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:15.680
tries to do

01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.159
so i hope that this can be considered

01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:19.439
tonight

01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.039
and make sure that we're able to keep

01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:24.000
our council meetings accessible

01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:25.840
and also be transparent in that as well

01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:27.760
which i think is again really very

01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.760
important thank you

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.560
thank you very much councillor oxley

01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:36.399
councillor eden do you wish to speak to

01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:38.560
this matter at this time

01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.560
yes thank you mr mayor

01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:43.279
i guess i reflect back a few years ago

01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.520
and or a number of years ago now when

01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.399
council was debating the live streaming

01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:49.520
of

01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.840
its meetings and i remember

01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:53.359
mentioning at the time that that would

01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:56.800
help with transparency and councils came

01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:59.119
to the point of agreement around

01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:00.479
acknowledging that it would actually

01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.960
allow residents to

01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.119
reflect back on what their council or

01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:07.439
councillors were doing you know who was

01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.439
passionate about what issues

01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:11.760
who was voting for or against issues or

01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:15.199
what was you know simply said or decided

01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:17.439
uh and you know whether that was let's

01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:19.199
say something like climate change was

01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:21.600
the council unanimously driving

01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:24.720
one particular direction was it split or

01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.399
what you know were people all over the

01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:27.359
place

01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:28.720
and

01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:31.119
we adopted the recording of meetings and

01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.079
people said uh this is great we now have

01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.720
greater accessibility to the meeting and

01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:39.520
at the time i remember a number of

01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:41.520
people said well this is an unnecessary

01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:43.520
expense it might cause an extra few

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.119
minutes at the start of a meeting to set

01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:47.600
it up something could go wrong

01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.239
um and there are i guess a plethora

01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:51.920
of reasons that were thought up why we

01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.560
shouldn't have the streaming

01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:56.800
but one of the comments i remember was

01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:58.319
that people if they wanted to be

01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:00.800
involved in democracy should come down

01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:02.479
make the effort and sit in the meeting

01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:03.920
and watch

01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.319
but i think there was a realization

01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:08.560
by the is that that wasn't necessarily

01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:10.960
reflective of what the community expect

01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.119
from you know a democratic process they

01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.600
want it to be easily accessible

01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.760
uh and they want to be able to easily

01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.880
partake in democracy now

01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:23.039
it's easy for people who are in a

01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.439
position of privilege to sit there and

01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.520
say but i could do it

01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:28.960
you know and at the end of the day it's

01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:30.880
a privilege to have and you're very

01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:32.239
fortunate if

01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:34.000
you know you can hear perfectly well you

01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:35.680
can see perfectly well and you're fully

01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:37.279
mobile and if you want to go somewhere

01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:39.039
you just hop in a car drive down stroll

01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:40.800
along into the meeting

01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:42.720
or sit at home and you can clearly see

01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:44.479
and hear everything

01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:45.680
that is something that i think a lot of

01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:47.760
people take for granted and it's

01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:49.600
something that unfortunately not

01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:51.520
everyone does get to have the benefit

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:53.039
and privilege of

01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:54.800
and having had

01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:56.880
staff that have limitations around

01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:58.640
hearing or sight

01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:00.960
you really do realize that you need to

01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:02.560
make accommodation

01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:04.800
to just let them be at the same equal

01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:06.800
footing as yourself when it comes to

01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.239
communication

01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:09.920
and access

01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:11.920
one of us may sit at home and go i don't

01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.479
really care if people know how i vote

01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.359
that's one's own individual choice

01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:19.439
but i think as a council

01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.479
it's an important step forward to say

01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:24.560
if you're somebody at home that wants to

01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:27.199
partake in our democratic process and

01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:29.600
you want to know what everybody else

01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:31.600
could very easily find out or the

01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:33.840
council group would know

01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:36.079
we're going to do what we reasonably can

01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:38.239
to ensure that you can partake in that

01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:41.279
process you know if you're a blind voter

01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:42.880
efforts are made to accommodate you when

01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:44.880
you go to vote and i think this is what

01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:46.960
we're asking the council to do in this

01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:50.319
process as well thank you

01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:55.119
uh thank you very much councillor eden

01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:58.000
councillor saab

01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:00.319
thank you mr mayor

01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:02.319
um i just wanted to thank council

01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:03.920
obsolete and councillor even for raising

01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.399
this as an issue um with respect to

01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:08.159
accessibility and

01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:10.960
i guess a question on our current system

01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.039
and how it may not be so

01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:14.640
i actually have had a resident come up

01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:16.479
to me as well and mentioned that they do

01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:18.479
in fact find it difficult

01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.119
on occasion uh to see who is voting for

01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:23.279
what um so i do acknowledge that this is

01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:24.800
a particular issue or they've even

01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:26.159
mentioned that sometimes they find it

01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:27.920
difficult

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.399
knowing who is speaking

01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:32.800
and i do note that we have just recently

01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:34.640
upgraded our technology

01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:36.640
i think the beginning of this year but

01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.920
to me this sounds more of an issue of

01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.239
systems technology systems rather than

01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.960
an issue about governance or uh voting i

01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:46.319
think we've got

01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:48.800
um in the governance rules

01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:50.319
um

01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:53.199
processes to which we can just declare

01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:55.199
who is voting for what particular item

01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:57.600
in in the form of a division um i think

01:14:57.680 --> 01:14:59.600
and that that is utilized pretty well i

01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:01.920
believe in our in our council group but

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.119
i actually would suggest that maybe um

01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:07.279
this is more of an exercise that we need

01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:09.199
to partake in

01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:10.880
investigating what kind of technology

01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.119
exists to make our streams a bit more

01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:15.439
accessible um which would require an

01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:17.199
investment i know that's not necessarily

01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:18.479
governance change but i think that's

01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:20.079
actually better addressing this issue

01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:22.159
rather than

01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:23.600
than this particular motion which i

01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:25.359
think again

01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:27.279
it exists in the sense that we've got

01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:28.880
our

01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:30.000
divisions

01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.079
um but that's that's kind of my view of

01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.680
this particular

01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.159
amendment

01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.600
um thank you councillor saab councillor

01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:41.520
davies

01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:45.119
uh thank you mr mayor um i

01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:46.560
at this point in time will not be

01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:48.399
supporting this motion

01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:49.119
i

01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.199
hardly agree with council oxley and

01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:52.720
council eden that they have brought to

01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.720
our attention an issue for

01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:57.600
those members of our um

01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.399
city that do have issues in terms of

01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:03.520
sight but i know we don't actually read

01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.479
out the motions that we're voting on

01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:09.439
so at what point where do we start do we

01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:13.199
read the whole agenda out now so i and

01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:15.039
i'm not saying that is to be sarcastic

01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:16.239
in any

01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:18.399
way what i'm saying is that i think that

01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.479
we need to perhaps have our officers

01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:23.520
look into this issue a lot more deeply

01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:25.520
before we decide to change our

01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:28.720
governance rules to work out how we can

01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:31.520
assist all our members of the community

01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:36.000
and i'm not sure just this ad hoc point

01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:38.319
at this point in time is the way to go

01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:40.399
and i also note that we are in effect

01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:42.960
voting as a council so it's a council

01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:45.359
decision the council has carried it or

01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.159
it's been lost etc and for those who

01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:50.000
want to as it was pointed out by council

01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.199
assad you can seek a division but i do

01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:56.720
think it's triggered a very important

01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:58.399
discussion point and something that we

01:16:58.479 --> 01:17:00.000
should look into further

01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:02.079
before i'd be prepared to vote on this

01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:04.319
at this point in time but i do think it

01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:06.479
certainly raised our our minds to what

01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.880
we should be doing um to try and assist

01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:11.039
all of our members thank you

01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.520
residents i should say thank you

01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.159
thank you councillor davies councillor

01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:18.079
cochrane

01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:20.000
thank you mr mayor um i'll be nice and

01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:22.319
quick on this one uh i tend to agree

01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:23.359
with uh

01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:26.159
councillor sarvin and and davies and the

01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:29.119
one thing i wanted to highlight was uh

01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:31.600
when being elected to council what was

01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.680
drummed into me from the start was we

01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:35.840
make decisions as a council

01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.760
uh and once the council has made a

01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:39.359
decision we move forward with that

01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:41.439
decision united

01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:44.479
uh and i just feel that this

01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:47.920
has the potential to cause division

01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:50.319
amongst the counselor group

01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:53.119
um unnecessarily we already do have the

01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:55.680
ability using the word division again to

01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.000
to call a division uh and see the

01:17:58.079 --> 01:17:59.680
numbers and i as councillor davey said i

01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.520
think there's some technology upgrades

01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:02.960
and some other things we can do rather

01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:04.880
than just start jumping to this straight

01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:08.319
away as uh i believe there might also be

01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:09.520
uh

01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:13.600
lots more delays in meetings and times

01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:15.439
you know times could could blow out and

01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:17.039
more work on our officer team who are

01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:19.359
already uh trying their best to keep up

01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.159
on the night thank you mr man

01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:24.159
thank you councillor cochrane do any

01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:25.760
other councils wish to speak to this

01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:27.760
item

01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:28.880
um

01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.680
look just briefly i think

01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:33.279
one of the one of the things that i

01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:34.399
wanted to

01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:36.560
sort of touch on after this debate

01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.119
before i ask um anybody else if they

01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:40.479
wish to speak is

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:41.760
um

01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:44.319
the the question of um i wanted to

01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:47.279
acknowledge what counselor eden had said

01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:49.680
about kingston council being an early

01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:50.880
adopter

01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:53.279
of um broadcasting i think it was a

01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:54.399
really

01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:57.039
good move of kingston council

01:18:57.119 --> 01:18:57.920
i don't

01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:00.800
know if we were in the you know early

01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:01.680
top

01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:03.439
first 10 councils or something in

01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:06.319
victoria but we were certainly a

01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:08.800
a quick council to get off the mark with

01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:12.399
um online broadcasting and you know it

01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:14.000
it's come a long way since then i think

01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:16.560
all councils do it now and thank

01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:18.319
goodness for that given

01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:22.239
uh covert and everything that's happened

01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:23.840
but one of the things that i think could

01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:26.479
really enhance the experience for people

01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:28.720
who

01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:30.399
are vision impaired

01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:34.079
is an audio description service

01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:38.000
the abc and um sbs for instance have got

01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:40.000
an audio description service on a lot of

01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:40.880
their

01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:44.000
um on a lot of their programs so if

01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.239
people who are vision impaired

01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:47.920
are watching the news or watching

01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.840
different programs it's audio described

01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:51.439
to them

01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.439
and that might be something that we

01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.600
could consider doing as a council an

01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:56.640
audio

01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:58.479
description service

01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:00.399
of our

01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:02.560
council meeting i have no idea how much

01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.039
it costs i have no idea what it involves

01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:07.520
but certainly

01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.720
there's more to accessibility

01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:12.079
than just

01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:14.720
reading out names of how people voted

01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:16.880
and i think that was a point that

01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:19.359
counselor davies was making

01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:20.560
um

01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.039
people if people are struggling to

01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:24.479
access

01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:25.920
information

01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:27.840
on council meetings

01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.319
it's not just about how people vote

01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:31.840
it's about the motions that we're

01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:33.199
considering

01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:34.479
it's about

01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:37.039
the reports that we're considering

01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:38.399
and it's about

01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:39.359
um

01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:41.760
the the amendments that are up on the

01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:42.880
screen

01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.319
um as we're debating them and an

01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:48.000
audio described

01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:49.439
meeting might be the way that we

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:50.800
consider i don't know if that's the

01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:51.760
answer

01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:54.560
um but it's a question that i'll pose

01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.960
um in response to this um debate

01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:01.119
um

01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:02.880
now

01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:04.079
any other

01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:07.199
people wish to contribute to this debate

01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:10.479
before i put the amendment

01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:12.800
all right i'll put that amendment

01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.840
all those in favor

01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:19.920
all those opposed

01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:23.279
all those abstaining

01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:25.199
i declare that lost

01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:27.039
division

01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.319
all those in favor

01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.319
councillor oxley and councillor eden

01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:36.960
all those opposed

01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:39.439
councillor cochran and councillor davies

01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:41.520
and councillor hill

01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:44.640
all those abstaining

01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:46.000
councillor hua

01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:51.479
davey burns saab besley and myself

01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:58.560
and counselor hill

01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:01.279
you had an amendment

01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:04.640
oh yes please mr man

01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:05.439
okay

01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:09.239
is do you have a seconder

01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.680
councillor davies

01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:15.920
councillor hill

01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.800
uh yeah thanks mr mayor look the

01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:20.560
i guess the um

01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:23.039
thought thought process behind

01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:25.520
this amendment it relates to the

01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.840
guidance notes that we receive when when

01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:31.039
a notice emotion has been lodged

01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:33.439
um now often

01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.000
we we receive the guidance note you know

01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:37.680
much closer to when we're actually

01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:39.119
deliberating

01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:42.159
in the ordinary meeting um

01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:43.199
and

01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:45.279
you know sometimes i'm not

01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:46.640
it's like a chicken and egg thing

01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:50.640
whether the guidance note is in response

01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.279
to the um notice the motion that's been

01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:55.920
lodged or whether that's maybe giving us

01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:58.560
further background to the notice emotion

01:22:58.640 --> 01:22:59.279
so

01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:00.159
um

01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:02.079
the thought here is that

01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:03.439
if the

01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:05.039
counselor who's lodging

01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:06.720
and notice emotion

01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:08.800
um seeks

01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.039
officer advice has has you know

01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:12.399
discussions

01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:13.840
with the officer

01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:15.119
with the relevant officer general

01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:17.279
manager prior to

01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:19.119
launching the notice of motion for one i

01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.119
think it's just a a good process that i

01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:22.880
hope we're going through anyway

01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:23.760
um

01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:25.680
you know so in which case it's not

01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:29.199
really adding to to what we're doing um

01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.520
but if not i think it is a good a good

01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:32.760
process

01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:34.800
um that we should speak with the

01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:38.000
relevant officer in the department um

01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:39.119
uh

01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:41.439
you know that pertains to the notice of

01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:42.399
motion

01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:43.279
um

01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:44.319
and then

01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:48.239
just a further point uh which is 24.3 i

01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:50.720
think you can see there is just inviting

01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:53.760
uh feedback from all councillors um this

01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:55.840
is more recommendation than

01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:57.520
something that may be set in stone let's

01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.760
say but yeah again i think it's just

01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.600
um sort of good practice for us to be

01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:05.760
communicating with our fellow counselors

01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.600
when we're lodging notice emotional with

01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:09.760
when we maybe have an intention to lodge

01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:11.680
a notice of motion because

01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:13.199
um

01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:15.600
otherwise sometimes debate can be

01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:17.119
occurring kind of

01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:18.399
off the cuff

01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:20.239
during the during the meeting itself and

01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:22.720
i feel a lot of that could be resolved

01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:25.359
just with with a bit of prior discussion

01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:27.359
both with officers and fellow

01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:28.720
councillors and

01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.199
um look back that's really the intent it

01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.279
was interesting just in discussion

01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:34.239
tonight

01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:37.119
our new gm of uh customer and corporate

01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:38.239
support

01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:39.920
um mr hogan

01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:40.800
uh

01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:42.880
sort of said in his previous experience

01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:44.319
in other councils

01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:47.359
it's this practice is not uncommon so

01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:48.720
hopefully it's

01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.199
it's not um

01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.479
you know it's not too much of a

01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:55.920
departure from the way we're doing

01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:58.960
things already um but i do hope that

01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:00.960
that you know my fellow counselors seek

01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:03.439
value in perhaps going down this path so

01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.960
that's that's all i should say thanks

01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.439
thank you councillor hill

01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:11.359
councillor davies do you wish to speak

01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:13.199
to this item

01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:16.159
thank you mr mayor i'll be very quick um

01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.319
i do know as council hill pointed out

01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:19.039
that

01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:22.800
um 24.3 is just a recommendation it's

01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:24.720
not a must

01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:26.560
and you know i do remember the very one

01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:28.800
of the very first training or you know

01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:30.079
induction

01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:32.319
meetings i attended at the council

01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:34.640
did mention how you know notices of

01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:37.119
motion there was a process that you know

01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:38.479
you should really engage with the

01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:40.560
council staff you should make inquiries

01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:42.159
perhaps you don't even need a notice of

01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:44.079
motion perhaps the whole thing can be

01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:47.520
sorted out beforehand um so i do think i

01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.359
personally feel that some of the notices

01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:51.359
of motion that have come before us

01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:52.720
seem to have been

01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:54.560
a bit of a rush job that i think there

01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:56.319
has been a lack of consultation with the

01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:58.640
council staff and probably didn't need

01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:00.560
to come before us at you know 10 30 11

01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:01.840
o'clock at night

01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.800
so i do think this ensures that we

01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:06.800
go back to the process that really is

01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:09.600
best governance and do

01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:12.159
engage with the council staff beforehand

01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:14.319
and i know there has been concerns

01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:16.000
expressed about well what if the council

01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:18.159
staff don't come back to me in time

01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:19.840
but it doesn't need to be a full

01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:21.279
guidance note here the way this is

01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:24.000
drafted it does provide for comments and

01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:26.479
a full guidance note can be provided

01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:28.319
between if the motion's going to be

01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:31.600
delivered on that day you know exactly

01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:33.680
on the day seven beforehand

01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.000
that um you know they'll then provide

01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:38.479
something but it really is to direct all

01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:40.479
of the us as counsellors

01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:42.960
to engage with the council to work out

01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:44.560
if we even need this notice of motion in

01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:46.479
the first place and if we've engaged

01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:47.600
with them it's not going to take them

01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.039
long to um comply with 24.2

01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:53.279
thank you

01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:55.680
thank you councillor davies councillor

01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:57.039
oxley

01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:00.000
thanks mr mayor um look it's probably a

01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:03.520
little bit i'm going to say coincidental

01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:06.399
that this amendment i received in my

01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:08.239
inbox at 6 45

01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:10.479
before this meeting with no prior

01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.560
engagement with council whatsoever and

01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:14.960
at the very least with notices of motion

01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:17.520
they are in our agendas at every cis

01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:19.520
meeting that we have there is a chance

01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:21.199
for councillors to ask questions of

01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:23.439
offices at cis there is a chance for

01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:25.279
councillors to ask questions of the

01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:27.199
council who potentially moving this

01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:30.000
notice of motion at cis and it rarely

01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:31.359
happens

01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:33.600
now i've i've moved a lot of notices of

01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:35.920
motion in my time over almost six years

01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:38.159
on council and

01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.319
it's it's been very uncommon in this

01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:42.479
council that there's ever even been

01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:45.439
questions asked of me or officers at cis

01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:46.960
they always come in a council meeting

01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:48.800
exactly as they are now

01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:50.159
i don't necessarily have an issue with

01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:51.760
that at least it's very transparent and

01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:53.520
open for the community

01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:55.840
the issue i have with this motion

01:27:55.920 --> 01:27:58.720
is that a notice of motion must include

01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:00.640
written officer advice or comments

01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:03.279
obtained prior to the lodgement of that

01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:04.640
notice of motion with the chief

01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:06.479
executive officer

01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:09.520
i can tell you i sometimes wait i think

01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:14.000
the latest recently has been 14 days for

01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.800
a response or acknowledgement that my

01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:18.880
email has even been received by an

01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:21.199
officer

01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:22.800
and that's the issue that i have with

01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:24.880
this i have a deadline that if i would

01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.479
like to move a notice of motion to be

01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:28.640
considered by council which i believe is

01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:30.880
my democratic right

01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.680
to do as an elected representative

01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.000
and my community would expect me to be

01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:38.960
able to put to council things that they

01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:41.199
would like considered by council

01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:42.800
and that is what that notice of motion

01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:44.640
process is therefore

01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:46.399
and i could give examples of a notice of

01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:48.239
promotion at the last council meeting

01:28:48.319 --> 01:28:51.039
where the advice provided was wrong by

01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:52.479
officers

01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:53.439
and yet

01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:54.479
nobody

01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.399
there was not even an opportunity to

01:28:56.479 --> 01:28:58.640
even discuss things like that at a

01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:00.640
council meeting or at cis because people

01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.359
don't engage so you're forcing someone

01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:05.119
who wants to move a notice of motion to

01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:06.960
be considered by council

01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:08.800
to get that advice potentially from an

01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:10.079
officer and i'm not saying this is all

01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:12.239
of our offices a lot of our officers are

01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:14.560
fantastic at responses and a credit to

01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:16.159
them for the timeliness and the

01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:18.800
responses that they do give it makes a

01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:21.600
counsellor's job easier

01:29:21.680 --> 01:29:22.880
but

01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:24.800
for me to have to still comply with our

01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:26.640
timelines for council meetings if i

01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:28.159
would like to lodge a notice of motion

01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:29.920
or if any counselor would like to lodge

01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:31.439
a notice of motion

01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.199
and have to receive

01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:35.840
written officer advice

01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:37.199
or comments

01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:39.520
prior to me even lodging that notice of

01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:41.119
motion

01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:44.000
i think is undemocratic

01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:45.840
and i think there is a better way that

01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:48.079
we could do this if what we're trying to

01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:51.199
put in here is for councillors to go and

01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:52.720
speak to officers

01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:54.479
that a counselor must fill in a form to

01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:57.039
say yep in order to launch this notice

01:29:57.119 --> 01:29:58.720
of motion yep i've spoken with the

01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:00.319
officer and i've received advice from

01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:02.079
them

01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:04.319
because otherwise i can't lodge notices

01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:06.159
of motion if i don't get responses from

01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:07.439
officers

01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:11.119
and i think that that's really powerful

01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:14.399
um thank you councillor oxley

01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:16.720
um

01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:21.439
i think the ceo wants to make a comment

01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:23.439
yeah look just pull the comment i mean

01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:24.720
it's not necessarily around the

01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:26.079
specificity of this but i would just

01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:27.279
certainly if that's the case council

01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:29.199
rocks i would apologize that you would

01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:30.960
have to wait that period of time

01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:32.880
if that's the case i certainly would

01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:34.640
appreciate talking to you if you believe

01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:35.840
staff having given you accurate

01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.279
information in regards to notices of

01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:39.439
motion but i just would like to flag

01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:41.439
with councils that that's not acceptable

01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:42.560
you would have to wait that period of

01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:44.880
time for a response on and anything uh

01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:46.319
and i'd certainly wish any council to

01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:48.399
take that with me privately to uh to

01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:51.439
work through that further thank you

01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:54.560
thank you mr ceo

01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:56.880
councillor eden

01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.359
uh yes thank you mr mayor

01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:02.000
um you would remember councillor besley

01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:03.520
i think council bar

01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:06.079
uh and myself and councillor oxley in

01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.159
the last terms there was a discussion

01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:09.119
around

01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:11.760
what was known as an ambush motion and i

01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:13.760
feel that this is one of those it's

01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:15.760
something that has an impact or quite a

01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:17.600
substantial impact

01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:19.760
that comes in late and means that

01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.760
councils don't necessarily have an equal

01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:23.760
opportunity to be prepared or to make

01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.039
the enquiries that they need to about it

01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:29.119
and i find that rather ironic

01:31:29.199 --> 01:31:32.079
considering that point or the uh point

01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:34.560
one sub point two talks about seeking

01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:36.960
feedback from all councillors

01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:38.319
that was actually an issue that some

01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:40.000
councils raised recently saying they'd

01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:41.520
like to be more involved and get

01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:43.920
feedback or have the opportunity to

01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:46.079
provide feedback before a motion is

01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:47.279
debated

01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:50.239
i know that both uh council oxley and

01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:53.920
councillor howe have made many endeavors

01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:56.159
including sending out emails and

01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:58.000
councillor howe had even previously done

01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:00.000
his own i guess guidance or practice

01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.079
notes as he called them

01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:03.840
uh advising councils are some of the

01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:05.359
critical points

01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:07.840
and they come to the meeting and

01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:10.560
they have confirmed no one even bothered

01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:12.720
to get back to them so i think there's

01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:15.359
probably a need to reflect on is it just

01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:17.359
these two councilors that consistently

01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:19.920
don't get engagement back or is it a

01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.000
council-wide issue

01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:24.000
because i've heard from at least two

01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:26.560
officers that there seems to be a lot of

01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:28.720
communication within the council group

01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:31.520
between some people and not others and i

01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:33.279
wonder if point two

01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:35.439
would be effective if every counselor

01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:37.039
provided feedback or endeavour to

01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:39.840
provide feedback when such emails that

01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:42.079
have gone out previously

01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:43.680
have gone out and raised some of those

01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:45.600
issues rather than the first time an

01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:47.520
issue is raised is during the actual

01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:48.880
meeting

01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:50.720
um but that is just something to put on

01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:52.479
the table and for people to ponder on

01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:53.520
their

01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:55.359
point one

01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:57.279
i reflect on some of the recent issues

01:32:57.359 --> 01:32:59.199
that came up in the last term of council

01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:01.359
and the start of this term some of those

01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:04.079
reflected directly on the ceo

01:33:04.159 --> 01:33:06.479
and is the intent of this motion to now

01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:08.960
have counselors write or send

01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:10.800
communications to

01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:13.920
junior officers or to the ceo themselves

01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:15.840
if it involves them so that they can

01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:17.680
have comment before a motion is

01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:18.960
considered

01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:21.119
and by no means is this a reflection on

01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:23.439
mr bean at all so i just want to make

01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:25.439
that abundantly clear

01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:27.199
but a counselor or a group of

01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:29.520
councillors or the ceo

01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:31.359
review committee might turn around and

01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:33.760
determine that a motion needs to be

01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.199
lodged to commence an investigation into

01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:38.960
something that the ceo has or hasn't

01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:40.399
done before

01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:42.560
and previously that type of motion would

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.359
be lodged and put in the agenda

01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:47.039
but now this would create a precedent

01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:49.119
where you have to go to a junior officer

01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:51.439
to the ceo and say can you provide me

01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:54.159
comment about the ceo and alleged

01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:56.239
misdoings or wrong behaviors that have

01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:57.520
occurred

01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:58.880
and i just don't think that that is

01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:00.239
appropriate

01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.640
and it has happened before where issues

01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:04.880
involving the ceo have had to be raised

01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:06.720
or have been raised

01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:08.159
so i think that this takes us down a

01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:09.920
dangerous path for

01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:11.920
issues that are personally sensitive to

01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:14.720
the ceo the mayor or councillors because

01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:16.720
we do get such motions and i think we

01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:18.239
should have had the opportunity to have

01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:20.319
discussed that and management of such

01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:22.800
issues

01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:27.039
thank you councillor eden

01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:29.600
councillor

01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:33.600
thank you mr mayor uh i do agree with

01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:35.680
the intention of counseling hillary and

01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:38.880
council davis higher i just want to uh

01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:42.079
briefly talk about what i think of these

01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:44.000
points

01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:46.159
of maybe goes with the second point the

01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:47.840
console shooting by feedback as the

01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:49.199
normal practice

01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:51.760
we would normally launch another slow

01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:55.600
motion and that at the next cis and

01:34:55.680 --> 01:34:57.600
every counselor has the opportunity to

01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:00.720
discuss it and asking for feedback

01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:03.600
but we i don't think we've ever done it

01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:07.600
like prior to launch something

01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:10.319
without something on the paper or on

01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:12.159
written written down and before we

01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:13.439
launched it

01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.720
i i think personally it's it's hard to

01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:19.039
deal with that to discuss with with all

01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:21.199
counselors and seek feedback before we

01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:23.279
even launched it

01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:26.479
but i'm okay with it even we shouldn't

01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:29.359
if that goes through i'm okay with that

01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.079
but i have a lot of concern with the

01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:33.359
first point

01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:35.840
where i think the local government act

01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:36.880
um

01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:38.399
basically

01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:40.079
allows us to

01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:41.439
direct

01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:44.560
the ceo only not the officer but here

01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:47.760
what it says we have to get an officer

01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:50.399
advised that means we have to go to the

01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:53.600
officer prior to launch

01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:54.640
the

01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:57.520
the motion with the ceo i think i have a

01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.039
lot of concern with that that

01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:01.760
potentially breached the

01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:03.439
local government act normally we were

01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:05.439
lodging with ceo and then obviously

01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:07.840
through the ceo delegation then we got

01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:09.279
an officer report that's a normal

01:36:09.359 --> 01:36:11.119
process

01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:14.159
and i do want to hear what the officer

01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:17.119
thinks about this

01:36:17.199 --> 01:36:18.399
thank you

01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:21.439
councillor i'll ask the manager of

01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:25.840
governance to respond to that point

01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:29.680
uh thank you mr may um

01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:31.119
it wouldn't breach the local government

01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:33.760
act if councils are seeking advice from

01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:35.840
officers that's um

01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:38.880
in the normal part of every day

01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:40.720
local government life

01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:42.399
councils and offices are talking and

01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:44.159
seeking advice

01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:45.439
i don't see that as a breach of the

01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:48.399
local government

01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:53.520
thank you mr delosa

01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:55.119
um

01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:56.399
do you have any further questions

01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:58.720
counselor

01:36:58.800 --> 01:36:59.600
no

01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.039
counselor eden do you have a question

01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:04.239
yes i do

01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:05.920
and the questions for you just to the

01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:08.159
relevant officer was when was there

01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:09.359
officer

01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:11.520
or like professional officer advice

01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:13.119
given in the formulation of this

01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:14.640
amendment and if so when was that put

01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:16.880
together

01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:19.439
thank you councillor eden i'll

01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:21.680
refer the question

01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:22.479
to

01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:25.520
mr delosa

01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:27.840
uh

01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:30.239
thank you mr mayor through you to cancel

01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:31.199
eden

01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:34.479
the officer officers in myself provided

01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:38.239
that advice to councillors today

01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:40.399
following a request

01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:44.079
for that advice over the weekend

01:37:44.560 --> 01:37:46.079
um so just to confirm on that question

01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:47.279
so there was no

01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:48.960
consultation with other counselors it

01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:50.560
was just one counselor requesting it and

01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:52.960
you provided advice this morning for

01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:53.920
that

01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:57.359
that's right thank you

01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:02.199
council assad

01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:05.600
thank you mr matt

01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:07.279
i just have some really brief comments i

01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:09.520
just i actually just think that some of

01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:11.119
the comments that were shared in this

01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:12.720
debate particularly i think is a bit of

01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:14.800
a disservice to our community to label

01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:16.399
specifically what

01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:18.560
the premise of this motion as an ambush

01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:19.520
motion

01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:21.680
particularly given the substantive

01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:23.279
motion and what we're seeking to do

01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:24.880
tonight which is in line with the local

01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:26.399
government act is actually just to go

01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:28.960
out to consultation on these changes

01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:30.800
so there is still time for community to

01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:32.800
actually review these and fire councils

01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:35.600
to review these um that's that's my

01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:36.800
first point i think some of the other

01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:38.239
comments that were shared in the debate

01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:40.560
i don't think um are particularly

01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:41.920
fruitful to discussion and i think

01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:42.960
that's something that we should probably

01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:44.960
take offline rather than commenting on

01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:46.560
particular offices

01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:48.880
um i know my experience in particular

01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:50.720
with officers that i've dealt with

01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:52.000
nearly every officer that i've dealt

01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:54.000
with has been really um

01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:56.479
fruitful and well served

01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:58.319
and uh

01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:00.159
you know i think they're doing

01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.640
beyond a great job in in our community

01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:04.479
and in the organization so

01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:06.640
i don't know i just think it was we've

01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:08.720
kind of deterred a little bit from the

01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:11.840
discussion on particular motion but i'm

01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:15.119
supportive of these changes

01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:17.840
thank you councillor

01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:19.760
um do any other counsellors wish to

01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:23.039
speak to this amendment

01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:24.720
councillor davey burns

01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:26.720
thank you

01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:29.359
my comment is that

01:39:29.439 --> 01:39:32.880
this is a very consistent um intention

01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:34.800
here that has been raised by well moved

01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:36.640
by council hill and second by councillor

01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:37.680
davies

01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:39.279
the councillor group

01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:40.720
have had

01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:42.479
i understand

01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:44.800
concerns about notices of motion coming

01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:47.199
to the chamber without

01:39:47.279 --> 01:39:49.119
awesome advice when we talk about

01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:51.199
democratic processes

01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:53.119
and i think about 11 councillors

01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:55.920
representing 11 awards

01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.479
and the process of a notice of motion

01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:00.479
and the advice that is provided to those

01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:02.720
councillors being of utmost importance

01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:04.479
for decision making

01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:06.640
so i think anything that can strengthen

01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.119
a process of notice of motion

01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:11.039
actually creates a more democratic

01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:12.720
environment

01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:15.600
in relation to comments about exclusion

01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:16.960
i disagree

01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:18.640
i don't believe that this council or

01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:20.720
group of at any point excluded anyone

01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:22.640
from discussion this is a counsellor

01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:25.279
group that work very hard at ensuring

01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:26.720
all counsellors feel like they're

01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:28.079
involved

01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:31.039
in relation to feedback from council

01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:33.199
staff i've always found them to be very

01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:34.479
responsive

01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:36.239
and i appreciate the comments made by

01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:39.439
our ceo tonight in relation to following

01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:41.279
up in instances where that has been

01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.279
alleged not to have occurred

01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:45.680
finally i'd support councillor comments

01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:48.640
that this is for consultation

01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:50.640
so that we can better understand

01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:52.479
what it is that our community expect of

01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:56.640
us in relation to this process thank you

01:40:57.199 --> 01:41:00.479
thank you councillor davey burns

01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:02.479
um any further comments from any

01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:06.800
councillors on this amendment

01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:10.399
i'll put it to the vote

01:41:10.479 --> 01:41:11.920
at this point

01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:14.560
all those in

01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:21.039
favor all those against

01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:25.920
i declare that carried division

01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:29.119
all those in favor

01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:31.279
councillor cochran councillor davey

01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:33.119
burns councillor saab councillor

01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:34.720
bearsley councillor hill councillor

01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:37.119
davies and myself

01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:40.000
all those against

01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:42.000
councillor hua councillor aidan and

01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:45.479
councillor oxley

01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:50.960
i declare that carried

01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:58.000
are there any further amendments

01:41:58.079 --> 01:42:01.359
councillor oxley yes thank you um and

01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:02.960
given that this one wasn't circulated as

01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:05.119
it's come out of debate i will read it

01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:08.960
for governance slowly yep

01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:10.560
um it would be

01:42:10.640 --> 01:42:11.760
everything that was in the following

01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:14.319
just subject to

01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:17.520
just copying it that was all

01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:20.720
just one moment

01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:28.359
an additional clause

01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:36.159
that if a motion is put in parts

01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:44.720
the mover and seconder

01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:49.760
must be given

01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:52.560
the opportunity

01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:56.920
to withdraw their moving or seconding

01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:16.640
do i have a secondar

01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:19.439
thank you counselor

01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:21.520
aiden

01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:23.039
councillor oxley

01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:25.119
thank you as i previously flagged

01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:27.840
earlier in the debate that given the um

01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:30.479
change that was made earlier um and now

01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:33.359
forms part of the substantive that if

01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:34.720
that is going to be included i think

01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:36.880
it's very important that councillors be

01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:38.960
given the opportunity uh if a motion is

01:43:39.039 --> 01:43:40.479
going to be put in parts to withdraw

01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:42.720
their moving or seconding um i'll leave

01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:44.159
that up to governance of how that will

01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:45.920
practically actually work in a council

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:47.199
meeting because i think that would

01:43:47.279 --> 01:43:49.920
potentially leave to leave lead to

01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:52.880
motions um lapsing and how that would be

01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:53.760
dealt with

01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:56.079
which i think is probably a worse

01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:58.000
outcome but i think it is very important

01:43:58.079 --> 01:43:59.840
that the mover and second are be given

01:43:59.920 --> 01:44:02.239
the opportunity to withdraw their moving

01:44:02.319 --> 01:44:04.479
or seconding from emotion if the intent

01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:06.319
of that motion has changed

01:44:06.399 --> 01:44:07.520
um

01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:08.319
with

01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:09.199
the

01:44:09.279 --> 01:44:12.800
putting in parts thank you

01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:15.279
thank you councillor oxley

01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:16.399
um

01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:18.319
before i come to you councillor eden

01:44:18.399 --> 01:44:20.720
i'll i'll ask mr hogan

01:44:20.800 --> 01:44:23.439
if he wishes to comment

01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.880
uh thank you uh mr mayor um with your

01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:29.279
leave i'll just um ask a question of the

01:44:29.359 --> 01:44:31.520
manager of governance whether or not

01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:33.039
that right

01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:36.000
um actually exists currently under 2610

01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:38.319
of the meeting procedure um you'll

01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:40.560
forgive me counselors and uh mr mayor

01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:42.800
i'm not entirely familiar just yet with

01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:44.479
the meeting procedures of the kingston

01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:45.520
so just

01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:47.920
seeking um to check whether or not the

01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.000
provision for a move or a segment to

01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:52.239
withdraw at any point your emotion

01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:54.479
currently exists within the

01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:56.960
current meeting procedure thank you mr

01:44:57.039 --> 01:44:58.560
hogan i'll ask the manager for

01:44:58.640 --> 01:45:01.920
governance to respond

01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:05.119
three mr mayor um mr hogan is right uh

01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:08.000
2016 does give councils the right to

01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:09.039
withdraw

01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:13.439
their moving or second of a motion so

01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:17.600
yeah good working stage

01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:20.000
thank you mr delosa

01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:22.079
councillor oxley

01:45:22.159 --> 01:45:24.479
just to clarify i'm asking that they

01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:26.239
actually be given the opportunity at

01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:28.000
that time by the mayor

01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:29.600
to withdraw their moving or seconding

01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:32.800
once it's been put in parts

01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:34.239
okay

01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:35.920
thank you

01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:38.720
counselor eden

01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:42.479
i don't have any comments at this stage

01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:45.760
do any other counsellors wish to discuss

01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:48.960
or debate this matter

01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:53.039
councillor davies

01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:54.960
uh the only comment i will make mr mayor

01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:56.640
is that it's what's all been brought to

01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:58.640
our attention the rule

01:45:58.720 --> 01:46:00.800
we already know it i don't see why we

01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:01.840
need to

01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:03.920
have the mayor ask if we want to do it i

01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:05.680
mean we're just doubling up on a rule

01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:08.239
now so i won't be voting in favor of

01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:10.960
this amendment

01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:14.079
thank you councillor davies

01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:15.840
do any other councillors wish to speak

01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:18.399
to this item this amendment

01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:20.800
um councillor davey burns

01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:23.760
thank you mistakers i raised um earlier

01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:25.760
noting that i would support

01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.640
this motion by council oxley i do think

01:46:28.720 --> 01:46:31.439
it is really important that

01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:34.079
councillors are afforded and i note that

01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:36.640
this is a double up of

01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:39.039
the rules but i do think it is important

01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:40.479
that councillors are afforded the

01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:42.479
opportunity in the chamber to be very

01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:44.000
clear about what they are and aren't

01:46:44.079 --> 01:46:46.319
supporting just as i wholeheartedly

01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:48.000
supported earlier the rights for

01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:50.479
councillors to vote in part so i think

01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:52.560
this is an important extension of the

01:46:52.640 --> 01:46:54.319
same argument which is that in the

01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:55.600
chamber

01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.079
each councillor must be able to

01:46:58.159 --> 01:47:01.359
have their vote and their

01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:03.199
decision about the way they're wishing

01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:05.359
to move in the chamber record it

01:47:05.439 --> 01:47:07.359
accurately so i will support this motion

01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:08.640
thank you

01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:10.479
thank you councillor davey burns

01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:13.520
councillor cochran

01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:16.720
thank you mr mayor just so i can be

01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:18.960
clear when casting my vote

01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:20.399
um

01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:24.159
are we saying that

01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:27.039
the the mayor of the day

01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:27.840
would

01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:31.600
if if this um amendment is passed if

01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:33.680
it's not passed i should say are we

01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:35.359
saying that

01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:38.000
the mover won't have the opportunity to

01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:41.439
take nmi or are we just prompting

01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:43.680
does that make sense

01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:46.560
yes it does make sense and i'll ask

01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:48.479
the manager for governance to respond to

01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:50.399
your question

01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:52.399
thank you mr mayor to councillor

01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:54.960
cochran's question the rule states that

01:47:55.039 --> 01:47:57.119
the moving or seconding of emotion can

01:47:57.199 --> 01:47:59.039
be withdrawn

01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:01.920
so then once that's requested

01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.399
the chair may then seek a substitute

01:48:04.479 --> 01:48:06.880
mover or seconder

01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.199
so the onus is on a counsellor to decide

01:48:09.279 --> 01:48:11.279
whether they want to withdraw the moving

01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:13.439
or seconding

01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:15.840
and then the chair would seek

01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:18.239
the substitute mirror or signature

01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:20.319
if there is no one willing to

01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:21.920
move it or

01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:26.560
here to move it then the motion lapses

01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:29.680
okay so they

01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:31.680
there's no but formally they could just

01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:33.520
raise their hand in the in the chamber

01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:34.319
and

01:48:34.399 --> 01:48:35.920
wish to

01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:38.880
withdraw that their name from that

01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:40.720
yeah through himself exactly cancer

01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:42.079
cochrane that's right

01:48:42.159 --> 01:48:44.640
okay thank you i guess on that advice mr

01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:46.640
mayor i think

01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:49.199
i'm not supportive of this because

01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:50.640
um

01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:52.800
as i've heard from governance it is

01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:56.000
supported uh in other parts

01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:58.479
of governance so thank you mr mayor

01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:00.560
supporting the body

01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:03.119
thank you councillor cochran councillor

01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:05.439
hill

01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:07.119
uh

01:49:07.199 --> 01:49:08.720
i just was hoping to get a better

01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:11.199
understanding of the order of when this

01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:12.319
would occur

01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:13.680
so

01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:14.960
if

01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:17.520
if it would occur after

01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:19.520
something's already been voted on in

01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:21.439
parts or prior to

01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:24.319
um just because it may well be that if

01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:26.640
all parts are voted in favor of

01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:29.720
um

01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:37.600
um

01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:39.680
i would ask the manager for governance

01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:42.000
to respond to the question but my

01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:44.399
reading of this the way it's written is

01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:46.560
that it would need to be done prior to

01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:48.159
it being voted on

01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:49.920
because if a mover or a secondary

01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:51.279
withdrawal

01:49:51.359 --> 01:49:54.399
they're moving or seconding emotion then

01:49:54.479 --> 01:49:56.640
it can't be put now can it

01:49:56.720 --> 01:49:58.399
but i'll ask the manager for governance

01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:01.199
to respond

01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:04.159
their perfect response um yes it would

01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:06.560
have to be done before the vote is taken

01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:08.720
and there's no timing on exactly when

01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:11.279
you do it i guess it would be up to the

01:50:11.359 --> 01:50:13.279
counsellor to indicate

01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:14.640
to the mayor

01:50:14.720 --> 01:50:17.119
their desire to

01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:19.520
remove their moving of or seconding of

01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:20.640
emotion

01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:22.159
and so

01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:24.640
that would happen at any stage but not

01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:27.600
before the not till not before the vote

01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:29.760
so um

01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:32.159
so there is a timing issue but the mayor

01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:35.279
is right in what he said

01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:39.159
okay thank you

01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:42.479
all right councillors

01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:45.039
any further comments in relation to this

01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:47.680
amendment

01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:51.520
i'll put it to the vote

01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:54.640
all those in favor

01:50:56.800 --> 01:51:00.239
all those against

01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:06.359
i declare that carried

01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:13.600
and we now move to the substantive

01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:18.880
and i suggest counsellors we have

01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:20.880
thoroughly debated this matter but i

01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.359
will ask if anybody does wish to speak

01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:25.840
to the substantive

01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:27.840
counselor oxley

01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:30.239
thank you um and whilst i won't go over

01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.039
the reasons why i'm not supportive of a

01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:34.079
number of the points that have been

01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:36.560
added overall the governance rules um

01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:38.720
went through a lot of consultation

01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:40.239
through council a number of times

01:51:40.319 --> 01:51:41.840
through

01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:44.880
our governance and policy committee and

01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:46.640
putting it out to community consultation

01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:48.319
i'm supportive of but i

01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:50.079
can't support it with the couple of

01:51:50.159 --> 01:51:51.439
amendments that have been made to it

01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:54.079
this evening um i i don't think they are

01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:56.159
democratic i don't think that they

01:51:56.239 --> 01:51:57.920
uh support a counsellor's ability to

01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.800
represent their community um

01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:02.560
i also would like to point out one thing

01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:03.279
that

01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:07.199
given that uh my amendment on the

01:52:07.279 --> 01:52:09.920
uh votes being read out was lost

01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:11.279
um that i would point out in the

01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:13.520
governance rules that it is very

01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.640
important for all councillors to show

01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:18.000
how they vote

01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:19.359
and that includes raising their hand

01:52:19.439 --> 01:52:21.359
each time so that a division doesn't

01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:23.359
necessarily have to be called

01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:26.000
um and clearly show their hand and would

01:52:26.079 --> 01:52:27.359
ask mr mayor that you make sure that

01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:29.680
that does happen to make sure that our

01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:31.359
meetings are as accessible as we can

01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:33.600
possibly make them at this point in time

01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:36.560
um i i note the comments about spending

01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:38.640
money on making them more accessible and

01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:40.399
whilst i'm more than happy to do that i

01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:42.000
think we

01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:44.159
lost an opportunity this evening to do

01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:46.159
that sooner rather than later without

01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:49.439
actually spending money um but

01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:51.039
it is what it is and that the council

01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:53.359
vote is as it is um and i will do my

01:52:53.439 --> 01:52:55.439
best to make sure that we make them as

01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:57.760
accessible as possible as we can in the

01:52:57.840 --> 01:52:58.720
future

01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:00.239
i think that should very much be a

01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:02.720
priority of council and we'll be using

01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:04.319
that division to make sure that those

01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:05.840
members of the community who i know are

01:53:05.920 --> 01:53:08.479
watching this evening um are able to

01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.159
access our

01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:11.920
council meetings as much as possible in

01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:14.159
the meantime um so that is a commitment

01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:15.520
that i make to the community and those

01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:17.279
people who have contacted me on this

01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:20.399
issue uh over the previous months um but

01:53:20.479 --> 01:53:21.920
unfortunately won't be supporting this

01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:24.000
this evening but that does not take away

01:53:24.079 --> 01:53:25.359
from the work that the governance team

01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:27.600
have done in this um it is just the

01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:29.199
amendments that have been made

01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:31.039
that really do impact my support on this

01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:34.079
this evening thank you

01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:38.079
thank you councillor oxley do any other

01:53:38.159 --> 01:53:39.920
councillors wish to speak to the

01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:43.119
substantive motion

01:53:49.359 --> 01:53:50.479
if not

01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:52.560
i will

01:53:52.640 --> 01:53:55.279
put the motion

01:53:55.359 --> 01:53:58.399
all those in favor

01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:03.520
all those against

01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:06.159
all those abstaining

01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:10.239
i declare that carried division

01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:12.239
all those in favor please raise your

01:54:12.319 --> 01:54:14.399
hands

01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:16.560
counselor cochran councillor hua

01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:18.640
councillor davey burns councillor saab

01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:20.479
councillor bearsley councillor hill

01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:22.960
council davies and myself

01:54:23.039 --> 01:54:24.960
all those against

01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:28.159
councillor oxley all those abstaining

01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:33.239
councillor eden i declare that carried

01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:44.159
the next item on the agenda

01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:47.920
is the adoption of the 2223 budget

01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:51.840
councilor oxley do you have a motion

01:54:52.479 --> 01:54:54.800
i do uh and it includes the yellow

01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:56.800
section as it appears

01:54:56.880 --> 01:54:59.600
do i have a secondar

01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:03.079
that's the eden

01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:06.000
cancel oxley

01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:07.600
thank you um look what i do want to

01:55:07.680 --> 01:55:09.520
speak to tonight is particularly the

01:55:09.600 --> 01:55:12.880
yellow section um of this motion

01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:15.199
um over the past

01:55:15.279 --> 01:55:16.720
two

01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:19.039
and a bit years um the kingston

01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:21.359
community have faced significant

01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:24.319
challenges um in the face of covert

01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:26.079
and i think we've seen it go around the

01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:29.359
world and back this covered pandemic um

01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:30.479
and it has

01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:33.760
caused a lot of turmoil in its way

01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:35.199
what that's meant for a number of

01:55:35.279 --> 01:55:37.359
kingston families and we recognized this

01:55:37.439 --> 01:55:39.279
in our two previous budgets with our

01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:41.119
covert support packages that included

01:55:41.199 --> 01:55:42.880
business support that included job

01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:45.840
keeper job seeker support um that

01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:47.520
included rate relief

01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:49.600
that included it was a huge package of

01:55:49.680 --> 01:55:51.840
support where we even reduced our rates

01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:53.920
by what was five percent

01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:56.239
um in the first year of the covered

01:55:56.319 --> 01:55:57.920
pandemic in order to support our

01:55:58.000 --> 01:55:58.960
community

01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:01.840
to get back on their feet and none of us

01:56:01.920 --> 01:56:03.279
really foresaw that

01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:05.439
at that point we'd be doing it again the

01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:06.800
following year

01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:08.560
and putting together another covered

01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:10.000
relief package

01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:11.039
that

01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:13.119
meant that we were doing even just a

01:56:13.199 --> 01:56:15.920
little bit to help families and

01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:18.720
businesses within the city of kingston

01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:20.399
be able to pay rates be able to put food

01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:21.760
on the table be able to support

01:56:21.840 --> 01:56:23.439
businesses that

01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:26.000
even the best of them went under during

01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:27.199
covert

01:56:27.279 --> 01:56:30.079
and we did a lot and i do want to

01:56:30.159 --> 01:56:32.000
acknowledge the work that was done by

01:56:32.079 --> 01:56:34.479
officers and by the council through that

01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:37.199
period of time because it was enormous

01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:39.199
to be able to provide that level of

01:56:39.279 --> 01:56:41.359
support to our community and still be

01:56:41.439 --> 01:56:43.520
able to provide the services and still

01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:45.600
be in such a reasonable financial

01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:48.079
position when you compare the city of

01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:49.600
kingston to a number of other councils

01:56:49.680 --> 01:56:52.079
in victoria

01:56:52.159 --> 01:56:53.920
what we did during those two periods and

01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:55.279
something that i think is very very

01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:57.680
important is we didn't charge interest

01:56:57.760 --> 01:56:59.359
on unpaid rates

01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:01.439
and that meant that those people that

01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:03.439
couldn't pay their rates were not

01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:05.119
slugged at what i think and please

01:57:05.199 --> 01:57:08.239
correct me if i'm wrong is about 10

01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:11.520
of penalty interest

01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:13.279
that was the last advice i got on the

01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:15.840
interest um that we were

01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:17.920
charging um so if it's gone up or down

01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:19.680
from that period of time please do let

01:57:19.760 --> 01:57:20.720
us know

01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:24.319
um but a 10 interest on unpaid rates and

01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:26.720
when people are already down they're

01:57:26.800 --> 01:57:28.960
already having to defer bill payments

01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:30.319
they're already having to struggle to

01:57:30.399 --> 01:57:32.800
put food on the table

01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:34.720
we're slugging them

01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:35.920
with

01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:39.039
interest on unpaid rates now again i do

01:57:39.119 --> 01:57:40.399
want to acknowledge the work that has

01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:41.840
been done in improving our hardship

01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:43.680
policy over the years and i think that

01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:45.359
is a very good policy that we have in

01:57:45.439 --> 01:57:46.560
place

01:57:46.640 --> 01:57:49.279
i think we can go one step further

01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:51.520
for at the very least another year

01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.279
when a number of families and a number

01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:55.520
of businesses are still feeling the

01:57:55.600 --> 01:57:57.279
effects of coco

01:57:57.359 --> 01:57:59.439
they are still off work if they

01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:01.279
get a covert diagnosis and they're still

01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:03.359
having to isolate for seven days

01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:05.439
which for a lot of people

01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:08.720
is seven days of not receiving pay if

01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:10.479
they don't have any sick leave and

01:58:10.560 --> 01:58:11.840
whilst there's still government support

01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:12.960
out there

01:58:13.039 --> 01:58:14.960
that's a big impact on some families

01:58:15.039 --> 01:58:16.399
whether they be single parents whether

01:58:16.479 --> 01:58:17.840
maybe people on a disability whether

01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:18.960
that be people that might have lost

01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:20.720
their jobs or their partners lost their

01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:21.680
jobs

01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:25.279
with the rising costs of living

01:58:25.359 --> 01:58:26.640
this is something that i think is

01:58:26.720 --> 01:58:28.720
compassionate

01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:30.880
and is something that really doesn't

01:58:30.960 --> 01:58:32.479
have a huge impact

01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:34.640
on the bottom line of a budget that is

01:58:34.720 --> 01:58:38.319
over i think at the moment 250 million

01:58:38.399 --> 01:58:41.199
give or take

01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:45.680
we are in a position where 400 000

01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:48.640
is not a huge amount of money when that

01:58:48.720 --> 01:58:50.800
400 000 comes from penalty interest on

01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:52.319
unpaid rates

01:58:52.399 --> 01:58:54.640
now i do acknowledge that people who are

01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:56.800
in hardship positions have the ability

01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.199
to contact council and they come hat in

01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:00.960
hand like so many

01:59:01.039 --> 01:59:02.239
times that they've had to do to

01:59:02.319 --> 01:59:04.800
electricity companies to school fees and

01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:06.159
schools because they can't pay their

01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:08.000
kids school fees

01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:09.039
and

01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:11.119
this is something that when i was

01:59:11.199 --> 01:59:13.119
younger it was something that our family

01:59:13.199 --> 01:59:15.199
faced because we weren't in a position

01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:17.680
where we were able to do these things

01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:20.319
and i've had so many stories from people

01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:22.079
who were in the exact same position as

01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:24.399
my family was when we were younger

01:59:24.479 --> 01:59:25.760
and they can't pay their rates and again

01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:27.439
they have to go hat in hand to another

01:59:27.520 --> 01:59:29.840
company who tell them to go through

01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:31.439
financial and budgeting training that

01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:32.880
they've been through time and time

01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:34.640
before

01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:36.560
that is embarrassing

01:59:36.640 --> 01:59:38.720
that is hard

01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:40.880
and that is soul destroying for some of

01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:42.720
these people when they are doing their

01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:44.239
best to provide for themselves and their

01:59:44.319 --> 01:59:45.840
families

01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:48.000
when we provided millions of dollars in

01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:51.199
covered relief over the past two years

01:59:51.279 --> 01:59:53.279
i think this is the very least that we

01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:56.479
can do to support our community

01:59:56.560 --> 01:59:57.760
in making sure that they're able to

01:59:57.840 --> 01:59:58.800
recover

01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:02.319
from the devastating effects of covered

02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:05.279
and not charge interest on unpaid rates

02:00:05.359 --> 02:00:08.319
and give our community that helping hand

02:00:08.399 --> 02:00:10.560
for that extra year

02:00:10.640 --> 02:00:13.600
to support them and help them recover

02:00:13.680 --> 02:00:15.359
so i would like to move the budget as it

02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:16.319
appears

02:00:16.399 --> 02:00:18.319
with that addition of not charging

02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:21.439
interest on unpaid rates

02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:24.720
thank you councillor oxley

02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:27.359
councillor eden

02:00:27.439 --> 02:00:29.039
yes thank you mr mayor i just wanted to

02:00:29.119 --> 02:00:31.600
start by thanking the officers uh and

02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:33.279
staff that have been involved in them

02:00:33.359 --> 02:00:34.239
together

02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:36.720
this document i know a lot of time and a

02:00:36.800 --> 02:00:38.800
lot of effort goes into

02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:40.880
going through line by upline all the

02:00:40.960 --> 02:00:42.720
different items that council's involved

02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:44.960
in it's a substantial list and there's a

02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:47.279
substantial number of capital work

02:00:47.359 --> 02:00:50.800
projects as well that the council can

02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:52.960
no doubt go back to the community and be

02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:55.199
proud of delivering and looking to fund

02:00:55.279 --> 02:00:56.720
in the years to come

02:00:56.800 --> 02:00:58.079
i would

02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:00.079
urge residents who are interested in

02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:01.680
what's happening locally to go through

02:01:01.760 --> 02:01:03.600
the budget and to read the sections that

02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:05.600
are of particular interest to themselves

02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:07.439
if they don't want to go through every

02:01:07.520 --> 02:01:08.960
single page

02:01:09.039 --> 02:01:11.279
line by line themselves

02:01:11.359 --> 02:01:14.079
overall our budgets have continued to

02:01:14.159 --> 02:01:16.159
deliver quite an amazing capital works

02:01:16.239 --> 02:01:17.359
project

02:01:17.439 --> 02:01:20.239
and a substantial range of services

02:01:20.319 --> 02:01:22.800
particularly given uh the fact that we

02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:24.720
have rate cutting at the moment which no

02:01:24.800 --> 02:01:26.880
other level of government has

02:01:26.960 --> 02:01:29.039
and every other gut level of government

02:01:29.119 --> 02:01:31.760
has substantial borrowing power or the

02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:34.560
ability to introduce new taxes however

02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:36.239
local government doesn't and we've

02:01:36.319 --> 02:01:38.640
continued to be able to deliver those

02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:40.319
uh amazing projects that people are

02:01:40.399 --> 02:01:42.399
benefiting from now that were planned

02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:45.039
four years ago or future generations

02:01:45.119 --> 02:01:48.000
will benefit from down the track

02:01:48.079 --> 02:01:50.399
so i would urge people to go through the

02:01:50.479 --> 02:01:53.039
uh budget have a look at it see if there

02:01:53.119 --> 02:01:54.560
are particular areas that they agree

02:01:54.640 --> 02:01:58.159
with or even disagree with and feed that

02:01:58.239 --> 02:02:00.000
you know feedback through the council

02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:02.319
over the years to come because it all

02:02:02.399 --> 02:02:04.319
plays an important role in forming what

02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:06.880
we ultimately vote on uh as we are here

02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:08.159
tonight

02:02:08.239 --> 02:02:09.600
i did want to

02:02:09.680 --> 02:02:12.000
especially touch on the point around the

02:02:12.079 --> 02:02:14.960
interest waiver and whilst at the end of

02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:18.880
the day it is a cost for council to fund

02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:21.359
um you know unpaid rates and interest

02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:23.840
rates are going up i think for this

02:02:23.920 --> 02:02:26.239
particular point in time as we're seeing

02:02:26.319 --> 02:02:29.199
soaring uh cost of living expenses

02:02:29.279 --> 02:02:30.880
and we're seeing quite a changing

02:02:30.960 --> 02:02:32.880
dynamic within our community where a lot

02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:35.439
of construction companies builders and

02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:36.880
tradespeople

02:02:36.960 --> 02:02:39.760
uh either not being paid or going into

02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:41.199
liquidation

02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:43.680
there is an increased number of people

02:02:43.760 --> 02:02:46.239
that may have previously been supported

02:02:46.319 --> 02:02:47.840
by the federal estate government with

02:02:47.920 --> 02:02:50.880
payments who now aren't receiving those

02:02:50.960 --> 02:02:53.279
uh payments or that support

02:02:53.359 --> 02:02:55.680
um and in addition there's always people

02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:57.199
within our community who are doing it

02:02:57.279 --> 02:02:59.119
hard and i think with the effects of

02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:01.760
covert the end of government payments

02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:03.840
that's only being felt harder by those

02:03:03.920 --> 02:03:04.800
people

02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:06.319
and

02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:08.560
one of the issues that i have had

02:03:08.640 --> 02:03:10.000
brought to my attention a number of

02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:11.359
times

02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:15.279
is not the extra 200 or the 400 that

02:03:15.359 --> 02:03:17.439
they can't afford but it's the pressure

02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:19.279
that it puts on them and their mental

02:03:19.359 --> 02:03:21.359
health when they feel that they may lose

02:03:21.439 --> 02:03:22.560
their home

02:03:22.640 --> 02:03:24.479
or have their house sold from underneath

02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:26.960
them now we all know that's a very long

02:03:27.039 --> 02:03:29.439
process to get to that point

02:03:29.520 --> 02:03:30.800
but for other

02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:33.279
providers like water and electricity

02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:35.520
i know a lot of those groups will offer

02:03:35.600 --> 02:03:36.880
months

02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:39.199
in addition to your normal payments

02:03:39.279 --> 02:03:41.039
to make those payments so i think this

02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:43.119
goes towards council providing a similar

02:03:43.199 --> 02:03:45.039
level of support and helping people's

02:03:45.119 --> 02:03:46.960
mental health as well in those positions

02:03:47.039 --> 02:03:49.439
thank you

02:03:49.520 --> 02:03:50.479
thank you

02:03:50.560 --> 02:03:52.720
councillor aiden

02:03:52.800 --> 02:03:57.720
to any other council councillors are

02:03:58.720 --> 02:04:01.359
thank you mr mayor

02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:02.720
um

02:04:02.800 --> 02:04:05.520
i just wanted to touch briefly um on

02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:07.840
this particular amended motion

02:04:07.920 --> 02:04:09.439
um and to the comments that were made

02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:11.439
initially i think this council

02:04:11.520 --> 02:04:12.960
and the previous council as council

02:04:13.039 --> 02:04:15.760
oxley has rightly pointed out has done

02:04:15.840 --> 02:04:18.239
um and was acknowledged across other

02:04:18.319 --> 02:04:20.000
local government associations as being

02:04:20.079 --> 02:04:21.760
so fast and pivoting to support our

02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:23.760
community and providing a large amount

02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:25.840
of support in the past two years in

02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:29.359
which in those years it was prudent to

02:04:29.439 --> 02:04:31.600
do so given the pretty serious lockdowns

02:04:31.680 --> 02:04:33.680
we had in victoria and the impact that

02:04:33.760 --> 02:04:35.840
it was having on our community

02:04:35.920 --> 02:04:37.760
and at the time they were very gracious

02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:39.600
levels of support that was well above

02:04:39.680 --> 02:04:41.039
what other councils had offered their

02:04:41.119 --> 02:04:42.159
community

02:04:42.239 --> 02:04:46.079
and we did so again the following year

02:04:46.159 --> 02:04:47.199
um

02:04:47.279 --> 02:04:49.760
i will discuss in detail particular

02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:51.680
items in this budget which are very

02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:53.119
exciting and i can't wait to talk to

02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:54.560
them and talk to

02:04:54.640 --> 02:04:56.000
the effort that our offices have put

02:04:56.079 --> 02:04:57.760
into putting this budget together but i

02:04:57.840 --> 02:04:59.119
just wanted to express that i'm not

02:04:59.199 --> 02:05:00.720
supportive of this alternative motion

02:05:00.800 --> 02:05:02.239
and would like to foreshadow that i will

02:05:02.319 --> 02:05:04.239
be moving the recommended motion when

02:05:04.319 --> 02:05:06.560
this motion if this motion is lost

02:05:06.640 --> 02:05:08.720
um i wanted to comment as well that we

02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:11.600
have a very substantial hardship policy

02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:13.199
and a very and we are a very

02:05:13.279 --> 02:05:14.640
understanding organization that are

02:05:14.720 --> 02:05:16.239
really close to our community and very

02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:17.359
empathetic

02:05:17.439 --> 02:05:20.720
um and have on several occasions in this

02:05:20.800 --> 02:05:22.159
year and a half or just over a year and

02:05:22.239 --> 02:05:24.880
a half since being on council um

02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:26.800
have sought additional support when

02:05:26.880 --> 02:05:28.800
needed to our community and we'll

02:05:28.880 --> 02:05:30.399
continue to do so i don't think that

02:05:30.479 --> 02:05:32.000
this stops it

02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:33.439
however

02:05:33.520 --> 02:05:35.760
i think we have been very reasonable in

02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:37.359
putting together our budget i think we

02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:39.359
have been really practical and being

02:05:39.439 --> 02:05:41.840
good money managers and and

02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:43.359
that is one of the main things we should

02:05:43.439 --> 02:05:45.520
do to support the majority or the rest

02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:47.039
of our community as well all of our

02:05:47.119 --> 02:05:49.039
community actually i should say

02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:50.880
in ensuring that we have a budget that

02:05:50.960 --> 02:05:52.720
is reflective responsive to our

02:05:52.800 --> 02:05:55.119
community is forward thinking is well

02:05:55.199 --> 02:05:57.039
planned and

02:05:57.119 --> 02:05:59.920
what i find particularly

02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:01.439
discouraging with this is we made

02:06:01.520 --> 02:06:03.760
comments on a previous motion about

02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:05.119
something being

02:06:05.199 --> 02:06:06.319
a bit of a

02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:08.079
of an ambush motion

02:06:08.159 --> 02:06:10.720
um when this motion as well was only put

02:06:10.800 --> 02:06:12.960
forward today so i don't this is that

02:06:13.039 --> 02:06:14.159
was the comments that i want to border

02:06:14.239 --> 02:06:17.600
mr man

02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:20.159
um what's the point of water what

02:06:20.239 --> 02:06:22.079
counselor saab is saying is incorrect

02:06:22.159 --> 02:06:24.560
this motion was raised twice at cis

02:06:24.640 --> 02:06:26.000
briefings in fact i think it was more

02:06:26.079 --> 02:06:28.479
than twice at cis briefings when every

02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:30.079
time this budget has come to us i've

02:06:30.159 --> 02:06:31.920
raised that i would foreshadow moving

02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:33.520
this motion so council starve is

02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:35.760
incorrect

02:06:35.840 --> 02:06:37.760
thank you council huckley

02:06:37.840 --> 02:06:39.520
councillor saab

02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:41.119
um i think

02:06:41.199 --> 02:06:43.039
councillor oxley has a point please

02:06:43.119 --> 02:06:46.239
continue your comments

02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:50.000
even in respect to that i still think

02:06:50.079 --> 02:06:51.439
that the budget that we have put

02:06:51.520 --> 02:06:53.359
together is still responsive is still

02:06:53.439 --> 02:06:54.720
caring and is still

02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:56.640
um

02:06:56.720 --> 02:06:58.000
both right in our support to our

02:06:58.079 --> 02:07:00.319
community given the covert pandemic um

02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:02.319
and i again i will not be supporting

02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:03.359
this and i will be moving the

02:07:03.439 --> 02:07:05.439
recommended motion that was put forward

02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:05.840
um

02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:07.520
[Music]

02:07:07.600 --> 02:07:11.600
if this motion is lost thank you mr man

02:07:11.680 --> 02:07:14.399
thank you councillor saab

02:07:14.479 --> 02:07:18.239
do any other councillor day

02:07:19.119 --> 02:07:20.720
uh thank you mr mayor i just have a

02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:22.319
question to the relevant officer my

02:07:22.399 --> 02:07:24.159
understanding is that the victorian

02:07:24.239 --> 02:07:26.000
government recently passed or is in the

02:07:26.079 --> 02:07:28.399
process of passing some legislation

02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:30.880
which will enable councillors or council

02:07:30.960 --> 02:07:33.760
i should say to consider um financial

02:07:33.840 --> 02:07:35.520
hardship cases i just wonder if i could

02:07:35.600 --> 02:07:37.920
get some clarification on that from

02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:40.319
the relevant officer

02:07:40.399 --> 02:07:43.039
mr i'm happy to uh respond to that i

02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:44.720
sent councillors

02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:47.600
an email uh in recent weeks in respect

02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:49.760
to the local government amendment rating

02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:51.680
reform and other matters bill

02:07:51.760 --> 02:07:54.399
uh and i guess the the

02:07:54.479 --> 02:07:56.000
requirement or the terms of that

02:07:56.079 --> 02:07:57.840
legislation is that it will sort of

02:07:57.920 --> 02:07:59.279
explicitly define what financial

02:07:59.359 --> 02:08:00.560
hardship is

02:08:00.640 --> 02:08:02.640
and what it's wrapping up is i guess

02:08:02.720 --> 02:08:04.079
detail the early requirement for

02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:05.439
councils to

02:08:05.520 --> 02:08:08.479
earlier engage with rate payers

02:08:08.560 --> 02:08:09.760
one of the things that the new

02:08:09.840 --> 02:08:12.159
legislation does actually do is it does

02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:14.479
recognize the fact that a council such

02:08:14.560 --> 02:08:16.239
as ourselves and councillor oxley was

02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:18.319
sort of really articulate and discussing

02:08:18.399 --> 02:08:20.399
how well kingston council stretched

02:08:20.479 --> 02:08:22.800
itself to support all sort of realms and

02:08:22.880 --> 02:08:24.560
elements of the community during the

02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:26.720
covert process and i guess what this

02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:28.800
legislation is really embarking to do is

02:08:28.880 --> 02:08:29.840
to

02:08:29.920 --> 02:08:31.680
provide relief to those doing it tough

02:08:31.760 --> 02:08:33.520
and and really start engaging early with

02:08:33.600 --> 02:08:36.000
rate payers who fall into debt so it's

02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:38.079
really i guess the bills defined around

02:08:38.159 --> 02:08:39.840
making sure that councils don't slide

02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:42.479
back into past practices such as being

02:08:42.560 --> 02:08:44.239
highlighted here

02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:47.279
now what i previously advised councils i

02:08:47.359 --> 02:08:48.880
was going to do is

02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:51.359
our chief financial officer bernard has

02:08:51.439 --> 02:08:54.640
written a report to be presented to this

02:08:54.720 --> 02:08:56.239
week's this wednesday risk and audit

02:08:56.319 --> 02:08:58.399
committee uh for consideration and the

02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:00.800
attention of that was that a report

02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:02.640
would be then brought back to council

02:09:02.720 --> 02:09:05.600
through a cis ultimately ending up in a

02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:07.760
council meeting for formal consideration

02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:09.359
of council's hardship policy and the

02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:11.199
changes that are required to that

02:09:11.279 --> 02:09:13.119
hardship policy in order to address and

02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:15.279
accommodate the new legislation going

02:09:15.359 --> 02:09:17.119
forward which

02:09:17.199 --> 02:09:18.800
may well pick up the intent of what

02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:21.039
council oxley is trying to propose here

02:09:21.119 --> 02:09:22.560
but it probably would allow councils

02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:24.479
greater opportunity to discuss the

02:09:24.560 --> 02:09:26.800
matter in i guess in unison and

02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:28.960
potentially come up with a more uh

02:09:29.039 --> 02:09:31.279
conciliatory outcome

02:09:31.359 --> 02:09:34.159
thank you mr may

02:09:34.239 --> 02:09:36.720
thank you um mr could i please make a

02:09:36.800 --> 02:09:38.239
few comments in relation to just the

02:09:38.319 --> 02:09:39.359
general

02:09:39.439 --> 02:09:41.279
um certainly you have you still have

02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:42.880
three minutes because your first comment

02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:45.279
was a question all right thank you look

02:09:45.359 --> 02:09:47.600
my position is that i am not supportive

02:09:47.680 --> 02:09:49.680
of us as a council

02:09:49.760 --> 02:09:51.760
uh walking away from potentially four

02:09:51.840 --> 02:09:53.520
hundred thousand dollars

02:09:53.600 --> 02:09:56.560
i do um acknowledge the tremendous

02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:58.800
support that we have given our residents

02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:00.560
over the past two years

02:10:00.640 --> 02:10:02.720
i do think there is a point in time when

02:10:02.800 --> 02:10:05.199
we particularly with rate capping we

02:10:05.279 --> 02:10:07.600
need to look at what our revenue streams

02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:08.399
are

02:10:08.479 --> 02:10:10.880
we do have a hardship policy

02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:13.199
and i do know from feedback that i've

02:10:13.279 --> 02:10:15.760
heard that not everyone who pay doesn't

02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:18.000
pay their rates on time are doing so

02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:19.359
because of hardship

02:10:19.439 --> 02:10:20.560
that a lot of these people are actually

02:10:20.640 --> 02:10:23.199
doing so because they're aware that

02:10:23.279 --> 02:10:24.800
i'm not going to get charged interest so

02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:26.079
when i look at what i've got to pay and

02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:27.439
not what i've got to pay and when it

02:10:27.520 --> 02:10:29.039
keeps money in the bank

02:10:29.119 --> 02:10:32.720
um you know that is a factor so

02:10:32.800 --> 02:10:35.039
my concern is there are a lot of things

02:10:35.119 --> 02:10:37.359
we want to do as a council

02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:40.239
and i do think 400 000 with a

02:10:40.319 --> 02:10:41.920
significant sum

02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:45.359
to walk away from as a general principle

02:10:45.439 --> 02:10:47.840
and should not be done lightly and i do

02:10:47.920 --> 02:10:50.159
feel that with the two years of support

02:10:50.239 --> 02:10:51.680
that we have given

02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:54.079
and the fact that we still look at ways

02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:56.000
we can assist our residents and our

02:10:56.079 --> 02:10:58.960
businesses we have specific support in

02:10:59.039 --> 02:10:59.840
place

02:10:59.920 --> 02:11:02.000
and we have a hardship policy and

02:11:02.079 --> 02:11:03.680
particularly the legislation that has

02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:06.640
just been noted by our ceo that i'm not

02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:09.760
comfortable doing a general blanket

02:11:09.840 --> 02:11:11.840
every single person who doesn't pay

02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:13.359
their rates on time

02:11:13.439 --> 02:11:15.920
will not be charged interest so

02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:19.279
those are my comments thank you

02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:22.960
thank you councillor david

02:11:23.039 --> 02:11:25.199
do any other counsellors wish to

02:11:25.279 --> 02:11:26.880
speak to this

02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:29.439
motion

02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:33.199
counselor davey burns thank you mr

02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:34.560
course i just have a question in

02:11:34.640 --> 02:11:36.720
relation um to the relevant officer

02:11:36.800 --> 02:11:39.119
please about the evidence that we have

02:11:39.199 --> 02:11:40.880
to understand that

02:11:40.960 --> 02:11:42.640
those who aren't paying

02:11:42.720 --> 02:11:44.800
their rates are experiencing hardship

02:11:44.880 --> 02:11:46.319
can i please ask for some advice from

02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:49.039
the office of lease

02:11:49.119 --> 02:11:51.359
mr america and i'm happy to respond to

02:11:51.439 --> 02:11:54.399
that whilst i can't provide specific

02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:57.760
examples to you uh council david burns i

02:11:57.840 --> 02:11:59.840
certainly have an understanding that we

02:11:59.920 --> 02:12:02.399
have 153 people on repayment programs

02:12:02.479 --> 02:12:04.560
which is not a significant number of

02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:07.119
people but i think we have somewhere in

02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:08.880
the vicinity of

02:12:08.960 --> 02:12:11.119
2000 people that have

02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:13.119
some amount of rates that are

02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:15.439
outstanding now that might be 50 cents

02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:17.520
it might be two dollars but there are

02:12:17.600 --> 02:12:19.840
some amounts that are quite what i would

02:12:19.920 --> 02:12:21.680
consider to be quite significant and

02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:24.239
excessive

02:12:25.279 --> 02:12:28.560
and sorry through you mr mayor um

02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:31.600
um mr bean so those um people who

02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:33.119
haven't paid their rates offered the

02:12:33.199 --> 02:12:34.800
opportunity to access our hardship

02:12:34.880 --> 02:12:36.159
policy

02:12:36.239 --> 02:12:38.720
absolutely every person is offered that

02:12:38.800 --> 02:12:40.800
right and that opportunity

02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:43.119
and one final question if i may please

02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:45.039
if this were to pass tonight and as

02:12:45.119 --> 02:12:47.600
noted by councillor debuts the amount of

02:12:47.680 --> 02:12:50.079
four hundred thousand dollars um

02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:52.159
we're noting that our budget is very

02:12:52.239 --> 02:12:53.680
tight this year where do we draw those

02:12:53.760 --> 02:12:54.880
funds from

02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:57.760
oh that's my requirement to ascertain

02:12:57.840 --> 02:12:59.359
that council david burns it's about

02:12:59.439 --> 02:13:01.199
whether some programs

02:13:01.279 --> 02:13:03.199
aren't provided or there's maybe

02:13:03.279 --> 02:13:04.640
somewhere in the capital works program

02:13:04.720 --> 02:13:05.760
that we may

02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:07.279
not be able to uh fulfill the

02:13:07.359 --> 02:13:09.520
requirement that um that's been adopted

02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:10.640
by council but that is something we

02:13:10.720 --> 02:13:12.239
would need to come back to council with

02:13:12.319 --> 02:13:13.920
at the sort of the media review or the

02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:16.479
three-quarter council review

02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:19.920
okay thank you very much

02:13:20.720 --> 02:13:23.520
councillor eden do you have a question

02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:25.600
yes i do thank you

02:13:25.680 --> 02:13:27.119
my question just through to the relevant

02:13:27.199 --> 02:13:28.960
officer was on the kingston council

02:13:29.039 --> 02:13:30.399
website that states if you're

02:13:30.479 --> 02:13:32.479
experiencing serious financial hardship

02:13:32.560 --> 02:13:34.560
there are options to you

02:13:34.640 --> 02:13:36.239
you click on that and it takes you

02:13:36.319 --> 02:13:38.640
through to a page that states and i

02:13:38.720 --> 02:13:40.960
think counselors would be aware of this

02:13:41.039 --> 02:13:44.000
that residential properties only would

02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:45.600
be considered however there's been

02:13:45.680 --> 02:13:48.159
discussion tonight about all rate payers

02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:50.239
being eligible to go down that financial

02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:51.760
hardship path could i just have

02:13:51.840 --> 02:13:53.279
confirmed

02:13:53.359 --> 02:13:55.439
whether or not it is in fact only

02:13:55.520 --> 02:13:57.600
residential property owners that could

02:13:57.680 --> 02:14:00.399
apply for financial hardship um and if

02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:02.960
it is only residential property owners

02:14:03.039 --> 02:14:05.600
uh what do we do for people who say for

02:14:05.680 --> 02:14:07.359
example uh

02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:09.680
uh in arrears on their rental but in a

02:14:09.760 --> 02:14:11.600
commercial property do they just would

02:14:11.680 --> 02:14:14.720
they just continue to accrue interest um

02:14:14.800 --> 02:14:16.479
up until the point that they're a victim

02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:18.319
by a landlord or

02:14:18.399 --> 02:14:20.239
council sells their property in those

02:14:20.319 --> 02:14:22.239
instances thank you

02:14:22.319 --> 02:14:24.000
thank you mr medic council reading um

02:14:24.079 --> 02:14:26.399
excellent question in and i apologize

02:14:26.479 --> 02:14:27.760
that i can't i'd have to take it on

02:14:27.840 --> 02:14:29.039
notice and i would have to come back to

02:14:29.119 --> 02:14:32.159
you my experience previously is that it

02:14:32.239 --> 02:14:33.920
generally financial hardship only

02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:36.000
applies to the primary residence of a

02:14:36.079 --> 02:14:38.880
person not to investment properties

02:14:38.960 --> 02:14:41.840
but i would think that on the context of

02:14:41.920 --> 02:14:44.159
what's gone on in our lives in the last

02:14:44.239 --> 02:14:46.319
two years i just think that it's a one

02:14:46.399 --> 02:14:48.800
size fits one model in regard to the

02:14:48.880 --> 02:14:50.319
management of people's hardships i

02:14:50.399 --> 02:14:51.279
really do

02:14:51.359 --> 02:14:53.279
um and i wouldn't like necessarily to

02:14:53.359 --> 02:14:55.279
foresee us making someone sell an

02:14:55.359 --> 02:14:56.800
investment property because of the fact

02:14:56.880 --> 02:14:58.000
that they couldn't pay their rates i

02:14:58.079 --> 02:14:59.279
think we would be

02:14:59.359 --> 02:15:01.920
far more benevolent to any rate payer

02:15:02.000 --> 02:15:03.520
even in a commercial and industrial

02:15:03.600 --> 02:15:06.079
sense as well to support them in regards

02:15:06.159 --> 02:15:08.239
to trying to know transition through the

02:15:08.319 --> 02:15:10.000
challenges that they're facing in order

02:15:10.079 --> 02:15:11.199
to sort of come out the other side and

02:15:11.279 --> 02:15:12.640
be able to continue on in their life as

02:15:12.720 --> 02:15:13.680
it were

02:15:13.760 --> 02:15:15.920
but again i think that the purposes of

02:15:16.000 --> 02:15:17.359
the the local government amendment bill

02:15:17.439 --> 02:15:20.079
that's been passed is a really cleansing

02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:21.920
and a really positive situation

02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:23.760
something that i've been looking forward

02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:25.199
to for a long time and i really welcome

02:15:25.279 --> 02:15:27.039
its arrival for this council be able to

02:15:27.119 --> 02:15:28.720
sit down and then actually look at what

02:15:28.800 --> 02:15:30.800
does this mean how do we best apply it

02:15:30.880 --> 02:15:32.800
how do we want to see it work going

02:15:32.880 --> 02:15:35.039
forward i would be proposing that we

02:15:35.119 --> 02:15:36.880
don't charge interest on anyone until

02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:38.880
council has considered the outcome of

02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:40.399
this bill and what it means to cancel

02:15:40.479 --> 02:15:41.920
going forward by the way i hadn't stated

02:15:42.000 --> 02:15:45.359
that at any time before

02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:47.760
thank you mr may just a

02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:50.159
live question on that so just confirming

02:15:50.239 --> 02:15:52.079
uh from what i can understand

02:15:52.159 --> 02:15:54.720
mr bean's remarks he um commented that

02:15:54.800 --> 02:15:56.319
there'd be a compassionate approach in

02:15:56.399 --> 02:15:58.479
general that he'd support but just to

02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:00.479
confirm there's no other policy that

02:16:00.560 --> 02:16:02.960
would allow an investment property owner

02:16:03.039 --> 02:16:04.479
or commercial

02:16:04.560 --> 02:16:06.399
tenant or someone responsible for

02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:09.279
outgoings to actually receive compassion

02:16:09.359 --> 02:16:10.159
related

02:16:10.239 --> 02:16:10.960
no

02:16:11.039 --> 02:16:12.960
and that but that that's that's correct

02:16:13.039 --> 02:16:14.720
councillor eden i mean typically in the

02:16:14.800 --> 02:16:17.359
past yeah the the protection for a rate

02:16:17.439 --> 02:16:19.119
payer is around the fact that they can

02:16:19.199 --> 02:16:20.960
sustain having a roof over their head

02:16:21.039 --> 02:16:23.199
you know it's a broad statement but if

02:16:23.279 --> 02:16:25.199
you typically consider somebody who has

02:16:25.279 --> 02:16:26.560
the capacity to have an investment

02:16:26.640 --> 02:16:28.000
property it is something that they don't

02:16:28.079 --> 02:16:30.960
necessarily need in order to continue in

02:16:31.039 --> 02:16:32.719
their existence or their life so there

02:16:32.799 --> 02:16:34.319
is some level of flexibility there for

02:16:34.399 --> 02:16:37.440
be able to then rationalize their um

02:16:37.520 --> 02:16:40.159
their financial commitments uh in order

02:16:40.239 --> 02:16:43.120
to recover and create a better situation

02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:44.399
for themselves

02:16:44.479 --> 02:16:46.239
but as i said i think that that that

02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:48.399
sort of situation will be under fairly

02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:50.159
strong consideration by council and how

02:16:50.239 --> 02:16:52.239
they want to apply the new bill going

02:16:52.319 --> 02:16:54.639
forward

02:16:57.040 --> 02:17:01.719
any further questions councillor eden

02:17:02.239 --> 02:17:03.600
no i think that just confirmed that

02:17:03.680 --> 02:17:05.680
businesses currently aren't subjected to

02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:09.280
any financial relief policies thank you

02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:12.079
councillor hill

02:17:12.479 --> 02:17:14.799
yeah thanks mr mayor and thanks to to

02:17:14.879 --> 02:17:17.280
councillor davies for your question and

02:17:17.360 --> 02:17:19.280
ceo for his response and

02:17:19.360 --> 02:17:21.920
also for his clarification just then

02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:24.959
um to councillor eden's uh question

02:17:25.040 --> 02:17:26.239
look you know

02:17:26.319 --> 02:17:28.479
based on the ceo's response i've got to

02:17:28.559 --> 02:17:30.799
say that i'm i'm comfortable that you

02:17:30.879 --> 02:17:32.079
know people

02:17:32.159 --> 02:17:33.280
experience

02:17:33.360 --> 02:17:35.280
experiencing financial hardship there's

02:17:35.360 --> 02:17:38.159
provision that exists already um for us

02:17:38.239 --> 02:17:39.520
to deal with those people

02:17:39.600 --> 02:17:40.959
compassionately

02:17:41.040 --> 02:17:42.959
um there's been discussion by a number

02:17:43.040 --> 02:17:44.959
of people around the 400

02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:45.840
000

02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:49.120
uh potential loss um you know from the

02:17:49.200 --> 02:17:50.719
from the budget line

02:17:50.799 --> 02:17:52.319
um i think

02:17:52.399 --> 02:17:55.040
you know equally important too is having

02:17:55.120 --> 02:17:57.360
having worked for a number of

02:17:57.440 --> 02:17:58.959
smaller businesses

02:17:59.040 --> 02:18:01.120
uh where cash flow is king

02:18:01.200 --> 02:18:02.239
um

02:18:02.319 --> 02:18:04.319
the thing i'm also taking into account

02:18:04.399 --> 02:18:06.399
is

02:18:06.479 --> 02:18:09.760
you know with without a deadline per se

02:18:09.840 --> 02:18:12.079
it makes it very hard for us to know

02:18:12.159 --> 02:18:13.680
or predict exactly when the money is

02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:14.879
coming in

02:18:14.959 --> 02:18:17.920
and like any business that that is

02:18:18.000 --> 02:18:20.239
of prime importance so

02:18:20.319 --> 02:18:22.799
i i sort of feel that

02:18:22.879 --> 02:18:24.959
i've been fully supportive uh for the

02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:26.559
past two years for

02:18:26.639 --> 02:18:27.840
i think very

02:18:27.920 --> 02:18:30.639
very sound reasons um that we've

02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:33.280
forgotten that interest charge fee

02:18:33.360 --> 02:18:34.719
um

02:18:34.799 --> 02:18:36.639
i think however

02:18:36.719 --> 02:18:37.600
um

02:18:37.680 --> 02:18:39.200
given what has been explained to us

02:18:39.280 --> 02:18:40.879
tonight by the ceo

02:18:40.959 --> 02:18:43.280
and other concerns that i hold i'd be

02:18:43.360 --> 02:18:45.120
less likely to

02:18:45.200 --> 02:18:47.360
be supportive of this amendment

02:18:47.440 --> 02:18:50.239
that's all thank you

02:18:51.680 --> 02:18:54.079
thank you councillor hill

02:18:54.159 --> 02:18:56.399
um do any other councillors wish to

02:18:56.479 --> 02:18:58.479
speak to the motion before the council

02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:01.040
tonight

02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:05.040
councillor oxley do you wish to close

02:19:05.680 --> 02:19:07.600
thank you um just in relation to the

02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:10.239
bill um i'm not sure when that actually

02:19:10.319 --> 02:19:12.079
comes into play and when it's proposed

02:19:12.159 --> 02:19:14.719
to to actually come into play and

02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:16.399
whether it's like the local government

02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:17.920
act or it was a staged approach of

02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:19.360
implementation or whether it's just

02:19:19.440 --> 02:19:21.520
coming into play on the first of july

02:19:21.600 --> 02:19:23.040
i'm not sure

02:19:23.120 --> 02:19:24.319
what the process is for that so i'm

02:19:24.399 --> 02:19:26.239
wondering if mr bean would be able to

02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:28.399
clarify if we've heard a process on that

02:19:28.479 --> 02:19:30.799
one

02:19:30.879 --> 02:19:32.799
uh through your media cancer oxy no we

02:19:32.879 --> 02:19:34.479
haven't heard a clarification around the

02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:37.200
process yet

02:19:38.159 --> 02:19:40.159
thank you so i i suppose the point i'm

02:19:40.239 --> 02:19:42.319
making is that it could be another 12

02:19:42.399 --> 02:19:43.760
months before that comes into play it

02:19:43.840 --> 02:19:45.920
could be at the start of the following

02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:47.760
financial year

02:19:47.840 --> 02:19:49.520
we don't actually have clarity on that

02:19:49.600 --> 02:19:51.040
and i think that was a question asked by

02:19:51.120 --> 02:19:53.040
a number of the mps uh when it came to

02:19:53.120 --> 02:19:54.799
the second reading

02:19:54.879 --> 02:19:57.040
i i have actually followed this

02:19:57.120 --> 02:19:58.719
amendment um that's going through

02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:00.760
parliament very closely

02:20:00.840 --> 02:20:03.680
um and part of it was

02:20:03.760 --> 02:20:04.879
ensuring that

02:20:04.959 --> 02:20:07.440
there's a two-year period where interest

02:20:07.520 --> 02:20:09.680
isn't charged and i think by by us

02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:11.120
potentially doing this this evening we

02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:13.680
would be getting ahead of that and um we

02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:15.440
would be looking at supporting our rate

02:20:15.520 --> 02:20:17.600
payers sooner i think to say oh well the

02:20:17.680 --> 02:20:20.319
state government's doing it let's not is

02:20:20.399 --> 02:20:22.239
a little bit potentially misguided of

02:20:22.319 --> 02:20:24.159
council and that's just my opinion

02:20:24.239 --> 02:20:26.639
um i'll wait to see how that actually

02:20:26.719 --> 02:20:28.079
plays out

02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:30.239
i think um going to the point of this

02:20:30.319 --> 02:20:32.000
actually being an ambush promotion this

02:20:32.079 --> 02:20:33.680
was raised on a number of occasions i've

02:20:33.760 --> 02:20:34.639
been pretty

02:20:34.719 --> 02:20:37.280
solid in making sure that council has

02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:39.760
been aware that i wanted to move this

02:20:39.840 --> 02:20:41.840
very very early on even at our council

02:20:41.920 --> 02:20:44.959
workshops earlier in the

02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:47.440
year i raised this because i do think

02:20:47.520 --> 02:20:49.680
that charging interest on unpaid rates

02:20:49.760 --> 02:20:51.600
in such a time

02:20:51.680 --> 02:20:54.639
where every week i'm hearing stories of

02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:56.000
families that can't put food on the

02:20:56.079 --> 02:20:57.520
table for their kids

02:20:57.600 --> 02:21:00.079
and we've seen the studies that have

02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:02.319
come out where

02:21:02.399 --> 02:21:04.639
the impact on the mental health of

02:21:04.719 --> 02:21:06.959
people who cannot pay their debts

02:21:07.040 --> 02:21:09.040
that leads to feelings of stress that

02:21:09.120 --> 02:21:11.360
leads to feelings of embarrassment anger

02:21:11.440 --> 02:21:12.399
resentment

02:21:12.479 --> 02:21:13.280
it is

02:21:13.360 --> 02:21:15.120
along with alcohol and gambling one of

02:21:15.200 --> 02:21:17.280
the leading causes of domestic violence

02:21:17.360 --> 02:21:18.719
in our community

02:21:18.799 --> 02:21:22.719
and to simply add to that poverty cycle

02:21:22.799 --> 02:21:26.319
i think is a really

02:21:26.399 --> 02:21:28.159
tough decision to make

02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:30.479
it's not one that i'll be making i will

02:21:30.559 --> 02:21:32.559
not be voting

02:21:32.639 --> 02:21:35.600
to to charge interest on unpaid rates um

02:21:35.680 --> 02:21:36.719
and whether there are people out there

02:21:36.799 --> 02:21:39.120
that do take advantage of that i'm not

02:21:39.200 --> 02:21:40.959
going to even comment on that i think

02:21:41.040 --> 02:21:43.040
this is about supporting people that

02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:46.319
need our help in the community

02:21:46.399 --> 02:21:48.959
i'll put the matter to the vote at this

02:21:49.040 --> 02:21:52.440
point in time

02:21:55.280 --> 02:21:58.319
all those in favor

02:21:58.559 --> 02:22:01.520
all those against

02:22:02.079 --> 02:22:04.799
all those abstaining

02:22:04.879 --> 02:22:06.760
i declare that matter lost

02:22:06.840 --> 02:22:10.719
division all those in favor

02:22:10.799 --> 02:22:14.959
councillor eden and councillor oxley

02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:23.120
all those against

02:22:23.200 --> 02:22:24.959
councillor davies councillor saab

02:22:25.040 --> 02:22:26.719
councillor hill councillor cochrane and

02:22:26.799 --> 02:22:28.639
myself

02:22:28.719 --> 02:22:31.040
and councillor besley

02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:33.760
all those abstaining

02:22:33.840 --> 02:22:34.719
council

02:22:34.799 --> 02:22:37.840
and councillor davey burns

02:22:38.319 --> 02:22:40.000
that's lost

02:22:40.079 --> 02:22:41.920
councillor sam

02:22:42.000 --> 02:22:44.159
i'd like to move the officer recommended

02:22:44.239 --> 02:22:45.840
motion

02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:48.719
do i have a seconder

02:22:48.799 --> 02:22:50.559
thank you councillor cochrane council

02:22:50.639 --> 02:22:53.040
assad

02:22:54.000 --> 02:22:58.520
thank you mr mayor sorry just a second

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okay

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uh thank you i just wanted to add some

02:23:09.200 --> 02:23:10.959
key highlights

02:23:11.040 --> 02:23:12.879
um and no doubt some things that we've

02:23:12.959 --> 02:23:14.719
noticed in the budget and hoping to

02:23:14.799 --> 02:23:16.719
adopt tonight that i think are excellent

02:23:16.799 --> 02:23:18.479
projects that we will be undertaking

02:23:18.559 --> 02:23:20.719
over the next 12 months and beyond

02:23:20.799 --> 02:23:22.959
um those projects are particularly

02:23:23.040 --> 02:23:24.399
important to my community of carpool

02:23:24.479 --> 02:23:26.639
award but also throughout kingston

02:23:26.719 --> 02:23:27.920
i think this budget will see a very

02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:29.280
significant

02:23:29.360 --> 02:23:31.200
commitment of council in the form of

02:23:31.280 --> 02:23:33.200
14.6 million dollars towards the

02:23:33.280 --> 02:23:34.719
purchase of land for kingston's new

02:23:34.799 --> 02:23:36.000
district level aquatic and leisure

02:23:36.079 --> 02:23:38.159
center with the addition um with

02:23:38.239 --> 02:23:39.760
additional funds to remediate the land

02:23:39.840 --> 02:23:42.159
at the former don t leisure center site

02:23:42.239 --> 02:23:44.479
we will also see 1.85 million dollars

02:23:44.559 --> 02:23:46.239
committed to the north chapman early

02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:48.000
youth center where council stakeholds

02:23:48.079 --> 02:23:50.479
and i visited only a few weeks ago um to

02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:51.760
visit the site and hear of the state

02:23:51.840 --> 02:23:53.520
government's own commitment to it

02:23:53.600 --> 02:23:55.760
alongside council's plan

02:23:55.840 --> 02:23:58.239
this will be a vital revitalization of

02:23:58.319 --> 02:23:59.760
the facility and i know the kiddies and

02:23:59.840 --> 02:24:01.440
the families who use this facility and

02:24:01.520 --> 02:24:03.760
will use the facility in the future

02:24:03.840 --> 02:24:05.440
will be extremely happy to see this

02:24:05.520 --> 02:24:07.120
commitment um

02:24:07.200 --> 02:24:10.239
i will note that we will be temporarily

02:24:10.319 --> 02:24:12.000
relocating the users of the facility

02:24:12.079 --> 02:24:13.200
while we look for another space to

02:24:13.280 --> 02:24:15.440
service their needs

02:24:15.520 --> 02:24:16.879
there is also a commitment in this

02:24:16.959 --> 02:24:19.200
budget cycle again of 6.6 million

02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:21.120
dollars to the development and upgrades

02:24:21.200 --> 02:24:22.799
and the build of a new pavilion and

02:24:22.879 --> 02:24:24.479
other works at gr brick or reserve

02:24:24.559 --> 02:24:25.680
moravian

02:24:25.760 --> 02:24:27.280
i wanted to acknowledge the sporting

02:24:27.360 --> 02:24:28.799
clubs little athletics club the

02:24:28.879 --> 02:24:31.280
community surrounding that area does

02:24:31.360 --> 02:24:33.440
dust and his wife lynn and the other

02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:34.559
really passionate members of the

02:24:34.639 --> 02:24:35.680
community who are in constant

02:24:35.760 --> 02:24:37.360
communication with me

02:24:37.440 --> 02:24:38.959
in the development of the plans and the

02:24:39.040 --> 02:24:43.200
consultation of gr brica um

02:24:43.280 --> 02:24:45.200
i'm as excited

02:24:45.280 --> 02:24:47.200
as i get when i see a breakfast spread

02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:48.959
which includes multiple side dishes of

02:24:49.040 --> 02:24:51.840
different types of olives i'm excited um

02:24:51.920 --> 02:24:52.959
to mention

02:24:53.040 --> 02:24:55.360
um that council's continued commitment

02:24:55.440 --> 02:24:57.120
to our climate and ecological emergency

02:24:57.200 --> 02:24:59.200
response plan for over six hundred

02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:01.200
thousand dollars to respond to the

02:25:01.280 --> 02:25:03.360
challenges which includes two hundred

02:25:03.440 --> 02:25:04.719
thousand dollars towards our urban

02:25:04.799 --> 02:25:06.639
cooling strategy a quarter of a million

02:25:06.719 --> 02:25:08.000
dollars towards our environmental

02:25:08.079 --> 02:25:10.399
efficiency upgrades um

02:25:10.479 --> 02:25:12.879
and finally 200 000 towards solar

02:25:12.959 --> 02:25:14.959
initiatives to reduce council's emission

02:25:15.040 --> 02:25:16.799
especially as we move towards kingston

02:25:16.879 --> 02:25:19.680
zero 2030 target

02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:22.479
i also wanted to touch on

02:25:22.559 --> 02:25:24.399
sorry i also wanted to touch on our

02:25:24.479 --> 02:25:26.319
continued support to our beloved

02:25:26.399 --> 02:25:28.319
pensioners throughout the city with our

02:25:28.399 --> 02:25:29.920
increased pension and rebate rate

02:25:30.000 --> 02:25:32.959
charges uh rebate charges to our rates

02:25:33.040 --> 02:25:35.680
um which is seeing an increase

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i wanted to note on some uh

02:25:39.280 --> 02:25:41.600
operational initiatives um in addition

02:25:41.680 --> 02:25:43.440
to our budgets particularly the addition

02:25:43.520 --> 02:25:45.200
of a mental health community workshops

02:25:45.280 --> 02:25:47.520
which is valued at 53 000

02:25:47.600 --> 02:25:49.520
which given the covered lockdown climate

02:25:49.600 --> 02:25:50.799
and the discussion we've had tonight

02:25:50.879 --> 02:25:52.879
about mental health um

02:25:52.959 --> 02:25:54.639
and the sense of isolation that we have

02:25:54.719 --> 02:25:55.360
all

02:25:55.440 --> 02:25:57.280
uh pretty much all of us have felt these

02:25:57.360 --> 02:25:58.719
past few years this is particularly

02:25:58.799 --> 02:26:02.000
important um i recently met with a new

02:26:02.079 --> 02:26:04.079
officer who will be working on these

02:26:04.159 --> 02:26:06.879
initiatives um during the refugee week

02:26:06.959 --> 02:26:08.479
oh sorry at the start of the refugee

02:26:08.559 --> 02:26:09.520
week

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and i'm so glad to see that in response

02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:13.360
to this motion that i moved uh that i

02:26:13.440 --> 02:26:14.799
seconded last year sorry about

02:26:14.879 --> 02:26:16.399
developing mental health workshops with

02:26:16.479 --> 02:26:17.920
the focus on our multicultural

02:26:18.000 --> 02:26:19.680
communities that this is coming into

02:26:19.760 --> 02:26:23.120
fruition uh having been heavily involved

02:26:23.200 --> 02:26:25.280
at my university in the cultural

02:26:25.360 --> 02:26:27.440
community space and being involved in my

02:26:27.520 --> 02:26:29.200
own community i know how much of a taboo

02:26:29.280 --> 02:26:31.040
mental health is so this is a really

02:26:31.120 --> 02:26:32.479
genuinely great

02:26:32.559 --> 02:26:34.159
positive thing that our council will be

02:26:34.239 --> 02:26:36.639
doing that will actually save lives um i

02:26:36.719 --> 02:26:38.319
think this is particularly proven given

02:26:38.399 --> 02:26:40.639
a call over a quarter i should say of

02:26:40.719 --> 02:26:42.239
our kingston residents actually speaking

02:26:42.319 --> 02:26:43.600
language other than english at home so

02:26:43.680 --> 02:26:45.840
this is going to be an initiative i

02:26:45.920 --> 02:26:48.399
think that will be taken up um

02:26:48.479 --> 02:26:49.840
pretty well

02:26:49.920 --> 02:26:51.680
some other quick points to add because

02:26:51.760 --> 02:26:54.879
i'm running out of time um

02:26:54.959 --> 02:26:57.040
is our increase in social development

02:26:57.120 --> 02:26:58.799
with our reconciliation action plan

02:26:58.879 --> 02:27:01.120
indigenous portfolio officer

02:27:01.200 --> 02:27:03.120
an increase in our kingston business

02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:05.040
team services with a place uh

02:27:05.120 --> 02:27:07.040
placemaking role added our kingston

02:27:07.120 --> 02:27:08.319
business team does an amazing job

02:27:08.399 --> 02:27:10.159
supporting our local businesses

02:27:10.239 --> 02:27:10.479
um

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[Music]

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and as is evident from the selection of

02:27:14.639 --> 02:27:16.079
items that i've picked out from this

02:27:16.159 --> 02:27:18.719
budget that i've spoken to

02:27:18.799 --> 02:27:20.719
i think this budget in particular

02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:22.879
touches on each of our

02:27:22.959 --> 02:27:25.360
strategic objectives i think

02:27:25.440 --> 02:27:27.440
which is in line with

02:27:27.520 --> 02:27:29.360
the objectives or goals of being livable

02:27:29.440 --> 02:27:31.520
sustainable prosperous healthy and

02:27:31.600 --> 02:27:32.879
inclusive

02:27:32.959 --> 02:27:34.399
safe and well-governed

02:27:34.479 --> 02:27:35.840
goals

02:27:35.920 --> 02:27:37.360
and which is all in line with our

02:27:37.440 --> 02:27:40.719
council adopted plan

02:27:40.799 --> 02:27:42.719
i will allow my other counselors if they

02:27:42.799 --> 02:27:45.040
wish to as again i'm running out of time

02:27:45.120 --> 02:27:46.799
to reference a note council's projected

02:27:46.879 --> 02:27:49.200
net operating result of 15.1 million

02:27:49.280 --> 02:27:50.719
dollars in surplus

02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:52.159
or talk to

02:27:52.239 --> 02:27:54.000
uh the revenue sources and how we are

02:27:54.079 --> 02:27:55.920
endeavoring endeavoring to continue to

02:27:56.000 --> 02:27:57.600
explore other revenue streams as we've

02:27:57.680 --> 02:27:59.200
also mentioned earlier

02:27:59.280 --> 02:28:00.879
um

02:28:00.959 --> 02:28:02.319
uh

02:28:02.399 --> 02:28:04.479
and neither like comment on the fact

02:28:04.559 --> 02:28:06.000
that our council is above the average

02:28:06.079 --> 02:28:07.600
metropolitan melbourne

02:28:07.680 --> 02:28:09.600
governments for grant revenue which is a

02:28:09.680 --> 02:28:11.280
really impressive result

02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:13.040
which should speak to the dedication of

02:28:13.120 --> 02:28:14.879
our officers in their work and applying

02:28:14.959 --> 02:28:17.360
for these grants or to the advocacy that

02:28:17.440 --> 02:28:19.120
we perform to state and federal local

02:28:19.200 --> 02:28:20.719
governments for funding as you have done

02:28:20.799 --> 02:28:23.440
very successfully mr mayor

02:28:23.520 --> 02:28:26.559
finally i wanted to thank our officers

02:28:26.639 --> 02:28:28.159
as we should every budget cycle for

02:28:28.239 --> 02:28:29.920
their dedication and hard work in

02:28:30.000 --> 02:28:31.040
putting this budget together

02:28:31.120 --> 02:28:33.840
particularly to ange marshall

02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:35.120
um

02:28:35.200 --> 02:28:37.520
i will just quickly close oh my time's

02:28:37.600 --> 02:28:39.200
up but i will just quickly close by

02:28:39.280 --> 02:28:41.040
saying you will have an opportunity to

02:28:41.120 --> 02:28:43.280
close later councillor saab so if you

02:28:43.360 --> 02:28:44.799
could reserve the rest of your comments

02:28:44.879 --> 02:28:48.239
for later that would be great

02:28:48.879 --> 02:28:51.200
um councillor cochrane

02:28:51.280 --> 02:28:54.000
thank you mr mayor uh no need to watch

02:28:54.079 --> 02:28:57.200
the time on this one i'll just say that

02:28:57.280 --> 02:29:00.000
counselor saab has said it all our

02:29:00.079 --> 02:29:02.399
officers have done a fantastic job i'm

02:29:02.479 --> 02:29:03.920
wary of time and i know other

02:29:04.000 --> 02:29:06.239
councillors may want to speak to this

02:29:06.319 --> 02:29:08.479
but in short i am in full support and i

02:29:08.559 --> 02:29:10.159
know most of the other councils will be

02:29:10.239 --> 02:29:12.959
tonight so the floor is now handed over

02:29:13.040 --> 02:29:14.559
to the other council thank you

02:29:14.639 --> 02:29:16.719
thank you councillor cochran

02:29:16.799 --> 02:29:18.319
um do any other councillors wish to

02:29:18.399 --> 02:29:19.920
speak to this

02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:23.000
item

02:29:25.920 --> 02:29:27.360
um

02:29:27.440 --> 02:29:30.559
mr ceo did you have a comment to make

02:29:30.639 --> 02:29:33.360
uh mr may thank you i just wanted to uh

02:29:33.440 --> 02:29:34.719
like council so i would sort of

02:29:34.799 --> 02:29:36.799
acknowledge the unbelievable work our

02:29:36.879 --> 02:29:38.559
staff have done in pulling this budget

02:29:38.639 --> 02:29:39.440
together

02:29:39.520 --> 02:29:41.680
um yes certainly ange marshall and her

02:29:41.760 --> 02:29:42.959
finance team have done an exceptional

02:29:43.040 --> 02:29:45.600
job but i i certainly can't pass up also

02:29:45.680 --> 02:29:47.920
the work that um chow and dylan and

02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:49.280
james have done in our project

02:29:49.360 --> 02:29:51.600
management office um just relentless in

02:29:51.680 --> 02:29:52.719
trying to get that that part of the

02:29:52.799 --> 02:29:54.639
budget together as well and certainly

02:29:54.719 --> 02:29:56.799
the commitment from council's executive

02:29:56.879 --> 02:29:58.559
uh and our managers and team leaders in

02:29:58.639 --> 02:30:00.399
doing their bit at the time that they

02:30:00.479 --> 02:30:02.239
needed to do it in order to pull this

02:30:02.319 --> 02:30:04.079
together to deliver what i think is

02:30:04.159 --> 02:30:06.000
quite an exciting budget for this year

02:30:06.079 --> 02:30:07.840
but certainly this budget for for what

02:30:07.920 --> 02:30:09.600
council's adopting tonight is going to

02:30:09.680 --> 02:30:11.200
set council up for the next four to five

02:30:11.280 --> 02:30:13.040
years with what we've got coming in

02:30:13.120 --> 02:30:14.479
order to be a really dynamic and a

02:30:14.559 --> 02:30:16.959
really exciting place to be thank you mr

02:30:17.040 --> 02:30:19.680
man

02:30:19.760 --> 02:30:23.760
thank you mr ceo councillor oxley

02:30:23.840 --> 02:30:25.760
thank you um look it's no secret i won't

02:30:25.840 --> 02:30:27.280
be supporting this budget this evening

02:30:27.360 --> 02:30:28.799
that does not take away from the work

02:30:28.879 --> 02:30:30.479
that officers have done on this i know

02:30:30.559 --> 02:30:33.360
that this has been a particularly uh

02:30:33.440 --> 02:30:35.600
hard budget to manage

02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:38.159
with the competing priorities

02:30:38.239 --> 02:30:41.040
and a rather large investment in an

02:30:41.120 --> 02:30:44.079
aquatic centre that has taken up um

02:30:44.159 --> 02:30:45.520
there's probably no disagreement a large

02:30:45.600 --> 02:30:46.959
amount of capital

02:30:47.040 --> 02:30:48.799
um that has meant that other projects

02:30:48.879 --> 02:30:50.479
have not been able to proceed so i would

02:30:50.559 --> 02:30:52.559
just flag that that that has had an

02:30:52.639 --> 02:30:54.159
impact on our budget and has been rather

02:30:54.239 --> 02:30:55.600
challenging i know

02:30:55.680 --> 02:30:57.440
um to manage all of the competing

02:30:57.520 --> 02:30:59.200
priorities there are some good things in

02:30:59.280 --> 02:31:01.120
this budget particularly um i want to

02:31:01.200 --> 02:31:02.879
flag a couple of those

02:31:02.959 --> 02:31:03.760
in

02:31:03.840 --> 02:31:06.000
south ward and that is even looking

02:31:06.079 --> 02:31:07.040
forward

02:31:07.120 --> 02:31:08.799
i know that a couple of these were due

02:31:08.879 --> 02:31:10.479
to come a little bit earlier but there

02:31:10.559 --> 02:31:13.120
are some fantastic things um i know our

02:31:13.200 --> 02:31:15.600
extra tree plantings i know the work on

02:31:15.680 --> 02:31:18.399
the um

02:31:18.479 --> 02:31:20.559
climate an econo an ecological emergency

02:31:20.639 --> 02:31:22.159
response plan is something that a number

02:31:22.239 --> 02:31:23.920
of residents have contacted me about and

02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:26.399
are very very excited about

02:31:26.479 --> 02:31:28.879
we've seen some final works on almost

02:31:28.959 --> 02:31:30.719
all of our life saving clubs down south

02:31:30.799 --> 02:31:33.600
as well with chelsea still to remain

02:31:33.680 --> 02:31:34.959
we're hoping to see a couple of

02:31:35.040 --> 02:31:36.879
commitments there some works along the

02:31:36.959 --> 02:31:39.200
long beach trail and i know councillor

02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:41.280
howe is excited to see uh some work

02:31:41.360 --> 02:31:42.879
along the pattern river arts trail so

02:31:42.959 --> 02:31:44.000
there are some very good things in this

02:31:44.079 --> 02:31:47.120
budget um i would just flag that i won't

02:31:47.200 --> 02:31:48.879
be supporting it there is quite a strain

02:31:48.959 --> 02:31:50.559
on our budget at the moment

02:31:50.639 --> 02:31:51.520
and

02:31:51.600 --> 02:31:53.520
i think there's also

02:31:53.600 --> 02:31:55.760
as i raised previously

02:31:55.840 --> 02:31:56.879
i think we did need to be a little bit

02:31:56.959 --> 02:31:58.559
more compassionate in our interest

02:31:58.639 --> 02:32:00.479
charges and if there's going to be

02:32:00.559 --> 02:32:01.920
changes to our interest charges i would

02:32:02.000 --> 02:32:03.840
be fully supportive of those being

02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:04.959
reduced

02:32:05.040 --> 02:32:06.639
and extra support given to ratepayers

02:32:06.719 --> 02:32:09.200
who cannot pay their rates

02:32:09.280 --> 02:32:10.799
particularly interested if we're not

02:32:10.879 --> 02:32:12.639
going to be charging interest on unpaid

02:32:12.719 --> 02:32:14.239
rates until we can

02:32:14.319 --> 02:32:17.040
um see what that bill's going to do um

02:32:17.120 --> 02:32:18.399
that was an interesting comment as well

02:32:18.479 --> 02:32:20.079
given that the the previous motion was

02:32:20.159 --> 02:32:22.479
defeated whatever we can do to support

02:32:22.559 --> 02:32:24.879
our rate payers who are suffering

02:32:24.959 --> 02:32:27.360
hardship at the moment um we should be

02:32:27.440 --> 02:32:28.799
doing whether that's in the budget

02:32:28.879 --> 02:32:31.040
process or out of the budget process

02:32:31.120 --> 02:32:32.239
but i won't be supporting the budget

02:32:32.319 --> 02:32:34.079
this evening despite the number of good

02:32:34.159 --> 02:32:37.920
things that are in there

02:32:38.000 --> 02:32:40.079
you councillor oxley

02:32:40.159 --> 02:32:41.840
do any other councillors wish to speak

02:32:41.920 --> 02:32:45.040
to this item

02:32:46.479 --> 02:32:50.319
before i asked councillor saab to close

02:32:50.399 --> 02:32:52.719
i did want to recognize

02:32:52.799 --> 02:32:56.000
the work of two particular individuals

02:32:56.079 --> 02:32:58.479
and that is the manager of finance in

02:32:58.559 --> 02:33:00.479
ange marshall for putting together the

02:33:00.559 --> 02:33:03.840
substantive budget and her team

02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:05.120
and also

02:33:05.200 --> 02:33:07.920
um that of the manager of the

02:33:08.000 --> 02:33:10.559
um project management office and that's

02:33:10.639 --> 02:33:11.840
chao wren

02:33:11.920 --> 02:33:14.959
um who has really put together the

02:33:15.040 --> 02:33:16.399
capital works

02:33:16.479 --> 02:33:18.719
um piece of work together with samantha

02:33:18.799 --> 02:33:23.200
krull um so this is a real

02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:25.600
step forward for the city of kingston it

02:33:25.680 --> 02:33:27.760
is an exciting budget as

02:33:27.840 --> 02:33:29.840
the ceo has said before

02:33:29.920 --> 02:33:33.360
80 million dollars of capital works is

02:33:33.440 --> 02:33:34.799
significant

02:33:34.879 --> 02:33:35.600
um

02:33:35.680 --> 02:33:37.760
and it is challenging as councillor

02:33:37.840 --> 02:33:39.360
oxley mentioned

02:33:39.440 --> 02:33:40.319
um

02:33:40.399 --> 02:33:42.399
but we've done so in an environment

02:33:42.479 --> 02:33:43.440
where

02:33:43.520 --> 02:33:46.159
council has managed in the past

02:33:46.239 --> 02:33:48.799
10 to 12 years to pay off

02:33:48.879 --> 02:33:51.680
a 22 million loan to pay off the

02:33:51.760 --> 02:33:53.120
building that

02:33:53.200 --> 02:33:55.040
the building that we're in so to speak

02:33:55.120 --> 02:33:57.200
12 30 nepean highway

02:33:57.280 --> 02:33:59.840
a building that is going to serve us

02:33:59.920 --> 02:34:02.639
well for many years to come

02:34:02.719 --> 02:34:05.200
but this

02:34:05.280 --> 02:34:07.600
this strategic acquisition

02:34:07.680 --> 02:34:09.680
has allowed us the flexibility to be

02:34:09.760 --> 02:34:11.440
able to invest

02:34:11.520 --> 02:34:14.399
in a new aquatic facility

02:34:14.479 --> 02:34:16.639
it's given us the ability to be able to

02:34:16.719 --> 02:34:19.520
deliver an 80 million dollar

02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:21.600
um capital works

02:34:21.680 --> 02:34:24.959
um budget um that does include an

02:34:25.040 --> 02:34:28.000
investment of 14.6 million dollars in

02:34:28.079 --> 02:34:31.120
the acquisition of the property on

02:34:31.200 --> 02:34:34.719
um governor road wells road for the new

02:34:34.799 --> 02:34:38.159
aquatic site it has allowed us to invest

02:34:38.239 --> 02:34:40.479
in and partner with hawthorne football

02:34:40.559 --> 02:34:42.239
club it has allowed us

02:34:42.319 --> 02:34:43.120
to

02:34:43.200 --> 02:34:44.319
deliver

02:34:44.399 --> 02:34:45.280
um

02:34:45.360 --> 02:34:48.879
the the southern pavilion regents park

02:34:48.959 --> 02:34:51.760
um and bricker reserve three massive

02:34:51.840 --> 02:34:53.040
pavilions

02:34:53.120 --> 02:34:56.000
um that are going to serve three

02:34:56.079 --> 02:34:58.799
significant parts of our communities

02:34:58.879 --> 02:35:02.399
um and and three vibrant and growing

02:35:02.479 --> 02:35:05.760
sets of sporting clubs so i think what

02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:08.879
we found and that's not even speaking to

02:35:08.959 --> 02:35:10.319
what we're building

02:35:10.399 --> 02:35:13.600
down on the foreshore at mentone and at

02:35:13.680 --> 02:35:15.440
aspendale

02:35:15.520 --> 02:35:17.440
so i think what we have

02:35:17.520 --> 02:35:20.239
is a really thoughtful budget

02:35:20.319 --> 02:35:22.799
we have a really ambitious budget

02:35:22.879 --> 02:35:25.440
but also a careful budget a budget that

02:35:25.520 --> 02:35:28.479
allows us to deliver a capital works

02:35:28.559 --> 02:35:31.360
this year but that sets us up for future

02:35:31.440 --> 02:35:32.479
years

02:35:32.559 --> 02:35:34.559
while chaos team

02:35:34.639 --> 02:35:36.719
builds ahead of steam

02:35:36.799 --> 02:35:38.159
and plans

02:35:38.239 --> 02:35:40.319
forward for the next few years and

02:35:40.399 --> 02:35:43.120
beyond and allows us to

02:35:43.200 --> 02:35:44.559
really

02:35:44.639 --> 02:35:46.559
build the momentum that we need as a

02:35:46.639 --> 02:35:49.360
council to flex up we're not the council

02:35:49.440 --> 02:35:50.479
we were

02:35:50.559 --> 02:35:53.360
um even just a few years ago

02:35:53.440 --> 02:35:55.360
i was explaining to somebody that when i

02:35:55.440 --> 02:35:57.520
first met the first budget that i

02:35:57.600 --> 02:35:59.840
considered as a counsellor at this

02:35:59.920 --> 02:36:00.959
council

02:36:01.040 --> 02:36:03.760
was something like a 125 million dollar

02:36:03.840 --> 02:36:06.079
budget and tonight

02:36:06.159 --> 02:36:09.120
it's sitting at around 257 million

02:36:09.200 --> 02:36:10.319
dollars

02:36:10.399 --> 02:36:13.760
and that is a significant improvement

02:36:13.840 --> 02:36:15.760
but we have to make sure that every

02:36:15.840 --> 02:36:17.920
dollar that we're spending of our

02:36:18.000 --> 02:36:19.120
community

02:36:19.200 --> 02:36:21.360
um ratepayers

02:36:21.440 --> 02:36:24.319
dollars is done so wisely which means

02:36:24.399 --> 02:36:25.920
that we need to partner with the federal

02:36:26.000 --> 02:36:27.440
government partner with the state

02:36:27.520 --> 02:36:29.680
government attract funding

02:36:29.760 --> 02:36:32.239
like the 20 million dollars that we have

02:36:32.319 --> 02:36:34.239
managed to attract from the federal

02:36:34.319 --> 02:36:36.559
government for our aquatic center

02:36:36.639 --> 02:36:38.159
like the two million dollars that we

02:36:38.239 --> 02:36:41.840
managed to attract for our dingley stage

02:36:41.920 --> 02:36:42.719
two

02:36:42.799 --> 02:36:46.399
um or indeed the one million dollars for

02:36:46.479 --> 02:36:48.799
north cheltenham preschool

02:36:48.879 --> 02:36:51.920
and hopefully between now and november

02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:53.680
we will see the government come to the

02:36:53.760 --> 02:36:56.159
party um and the opposition for that

02:36:56.239 --> 02:36:58.479
matter and commit to a range of other

02:36:58.559 --> 02:37:00.799
projects priority projects that we have

02:37:00.879 --> 02:37:02.719
agreed on and that we've done all the

02:37:02.799 --> 02:37:04.479
background work for

02:37:04.559 --> 02:37:05.920
to see us

02:37:06.000 --> 02:37:08.879
supplement all of our projects with

02:37:08.959 --> 02:37:11.840
state government support so that we can

02:37:11.920 --> 02:37:14.639
accelerate our program of delivery and

02:37:14.719 --> 02:37:17.440
ensure that our capital works budget is

02:37:17.520 --> 02:37:18.479
um

02:37:18.559 --> 02:37:19.440
growing

02:37:19.520 --> 02:37:21.440
um and able to keep up with the demands

02:37:21.520 --> 02:37:24.239
of our community so i'll leave it there

02:37:24.319 --> 02:37:25.920
again

02:37:26.000 --> 02:37:29.840
i will also note and thank our ceo

02:37:29.920 --> 02:37:31.920
he's come on board on the 1st of

02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:33.040
november

02:37:33.120 --> 02:37:34.639
and i know that

02:37:34.719 --> 02:37:37.200
he's been intimately involved

02:37:37.280 --> 02:37:40.239
with the formation of this budget from

02:37:40.319 --> 02:37:41.920
day one

02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:44.399
and certainly i know that he's already

02:37:44.479 --> 02:37:47.600
working on the media budget review with

02:37:47.680 --> 02:37:50.479
um bernard and our cfo

02:37:50.559 --> 02:37:52.879
um bernard rowan and

02:37:52.959 --> 02:37:54.319
and that they're very much looking

02:37:54.399 --> 02:37:56.000
forward to bringing that to us when the

02:37:56.079 --> 02:37:58.959
time comes at the end of the year um and

02:37:59.040 --> 02:38:01.360
of course on on next year's budget which

02:38:01.440 --> 02:38:02.799
is

02:38:02.879 --> 02:38:05.200
it'll it'll come before you know it so

02:38:05.280 --> 02:38:07.200
yes i know i'm talking about next year's

02:38:07.280 --> 02:38:09.120
budget before we've adopted this year's

02:38:09.200 --> 02:38:13.280
budget but i can't help it um

02:38:13.600 --> 02:38:16.319
counselor sub

02:38:16.959 --> 02:38:18.479
thank you mr man i've already been given

02:38:18.559 --> 02:38:20.239
the wrap up before i've even started so

02:38:20.319 --> 02:38:21.520
i'll try to be quick

02:38:21.600 --> 02:38:24.399
um i i think this budget demonstrates

02:38:24.479 --> 02:38:26.000
that we support our residents with a

02:38:26.079 --> 02:38:28.079
wide range of services that support

02:38:28.159 --> 02:38:30.719
those experiencing hardship um and vital

02:38:30.799 --> 02:38:33.040
services in child care and aged care

02:38:33.120 --> 02:38:34.559
we've continued our support with the

02:38:34.639 --> 02:38:36.959
community through our grants programs

02:38:37.040 --> 02:38:38.840
um i think the

02:38:38.920 --> 02:38:41.280
2022-2023 budget has been developed

02:38:41.360 --> 02:38:42.639
through a rigorous process of

02:38:42.719 --> 02:38:45.200
consultation and review with council and

02:38:45.280 --> 02:38:47.440
our community's input

02:38:47.520 --> 02:38:49.520
it's a responsible budget that responds

02:38:49.600 --> 02:38:50.959
to our current global economic

02:38:51.040 --> 02:38:52.319
environment

02:38:52.399 --> 02:38:54.559
it's forward-looking it's responsive to

02:38:54.639 --> 02:38:56.479
longer-term objectives and projects of

02:38:56.559 --> 02:38:57.760
council

02:38:57.840 --> 02:38:59.200
it adheres to the state government's

02:38:59.280 --> 02:39:00.559
rate capping policy

02:39:00.639 --> 02:39:03.360
and and most importantly it's ensuring

02:39:03.440 --> 02:39:05.520
that council's strong focus of community

02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:07.520
environment and excellence and services

02:39:07.600 --> 02:39:09.360
is followed

02:39:09.440 --> 02:39:10.799
and most of all i think this budget is

02:39:10.879 --> 02:39:12.399
sustainable and will help us recover

02:39:12.479 --> 02:39:14.079
from kovac and those are my closing

02:39:14.159 --> 02:39:16.959
comments thank you

02:39:18.719 --> 02:39:22.239
thank you councillor saab

02:39:22.479 --> 02:39:25.200
i will now put this to the vote

02:39:25.280 --> 02:39:28.399
all those in favor

02:39:28.719 --> 02:39:31.760
all those against

02:39:32.000 --> 02:39:35.920
i declare that carried division

02:39:36.000 --> 02:39:37.680
all those in favor please raise their

02:39:37.760 --> 02:39:39.760
hands

02:39:39.840 --> 02:39:42.399
counselor hua councillor cochran

02:39:42.479 --> 02:39:45.040
councillor davey burns councillor saab

02:39:45.120 --> 02:39:46.559
councillor bearsley councillor hill

02:39:46.639 --> 02:39:49.280
councillor davies and myself

02:39:49.360 --> 02:39:50.760
all those

02:39:50.840 --> 02:39:53.600
against councillor eden and councillor

02:39:53.680 --> 02:39:55.360
oxley

02:39:55.440 --> 02:39:59.159
i declare that carried

02:40:08.719 --> 02:40:11.520
item 12.2 is the sale of land at the

02:40:11.600 --> 02:40:13.600
rear of nine hong

02:40:13.680 --> 02:40:16.479
holmby road in cheltenham do i have a

02:40:16.559 --> 02:40:20.120
motion councillors

02:40:22.239 --> 02:40:24.239
i'm happy to move the officer oh no i've

02:40:24.319 --> 02:40:26.079
got two councillors thank you councillor

02:40:26.159 --> 02:40:29.360
sarb and councillor davies

02:40:29.440 --> 02:40:31.040
council assad

02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:33.200
i'll reserve my practice

02:40:33.280 --> 02:40:36.159
council davies

02:40:36.799 --> 02:40:40.479
does anybody wish to discuss this

02:40:45.920 --> 02:40:47.680
it's the beginning of a process i might

02:40:47.760 --> 02:40:48.639
add

02:40:48.719 --> 02:40:52.719
so it'll come back to council

02:40:54.079 --> 02:40:56.000
um i'll put that to the vote if there's

02:40:56.079 --> 02:40:57.360
no debate

02:40:57.440 --> 02:41:01.000
all those in favor

02:41:02.879 --> 02:41:04.639
all those against

02:41:04.719 --> 02:41:06.879
all those abstaining

02:41:06.959 --> 02:41:10.159
i declare that carried

02:41:10.879 --> 02:41:13.520
division all those in favor please raise

02:41:13.600 --> 02:41:16.239
their hands

02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:18.639
councillor oxley councillor davies

02:41:18.719 --> 02:41:20.319
councillor hill councillor besley

02:41:20.399 --> 02:41:22.239
council assad councillor davey burns

02:41:22.319 --> 02:41:24.559
councillor and myself

02:41:24.639 --> 02:41:26.319
against

02:41:26.399 --> 02:41:31.040
abstaining councillor eden

02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:32.879
there are no notices of motion on the

02:41:32.959 --> 02:41:34.799
agenda tonight

02:41:34.879 --> 02:41:38.639
are there any matters of urgent business

02:41:39.200 --> 02:41:41.360
none

02:41:41.440 --> 02:41:44.079
in that case may i ask that counselor

02:41:44.159 --> 02:41:45.520
that i have a

02:41:45.600 --> 02:41:48.959
motion to go into camera

02:41:49.600 --> 02:41:50.799
thank you

02:41:50.879 --> 02:41:53.120
moved councillor saab seconded council

02:41:53.200 --> 02:41:55.040
davies

02:41:55.120 --> 02:41:57.120
does this require any debate

02:41:57.200 --> 02:41:59.280
mr c oh sorry

02:41:59.360 --> 02:42:00.959
just just one moment

02:42:01.040 --> 02:42:03.040
um

02:42:03.120 --> 02:42:05.360
can i put that to the vote all those in

02:42:05.440 --> 02:42:07.760
favor

02:42:09.680 --> 02:42:11.360
all those against

02:42:11.440 --> 02:42:12.639
abstaining

02:42:12.719 --> 02:42:15.360
i declare that carried

02:42:15.440 --> 02:42:19.719
we now move into camera