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good evening everyone thank you very

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much for joining us

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for our August ordinary council meeting

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I'd like to declare this meeting

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officially opened at 708 pm

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I'll begin

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with an acknowledgment of country

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the City of Kingston proudly

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acknowledges the Bunurong people of the

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Kulin Nation as the traditional owners

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and custodians of this land and we pay

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our respects to their elders past

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present and emerging as well as to any

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Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander

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community members with us today

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Council acknowledges the Bunurong's

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continuing relationships to the lands

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and waterways

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and respects that their spiritual

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identity is maintained through ancient

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ceremonies song lines dance art and

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living culture

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Council pays tribute to the invaluable

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contributions of the Bunurong and other

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Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

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Elders who have guided and can and

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continue to guide the work that we do

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for the purposes of transparency this

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public meeting is being recorded and

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available on council's website on

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however for the purposes of public

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I would like to thank all members of the

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gallery and those viewing this meeting

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online for your attendance however I

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would remind all attendees that

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disruption interjection and

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thank you

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we'll move on to the first item there

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are

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no apologies submitted to this meeting

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so we'll move on to item two

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this confirmation of minutes of previous

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meetings

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councilors I'm looking for a motion

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moved councilor Staikos seconded Deputy

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Mayor Hill

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councilors I don't believe this requires

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debate so I'll put that to the vote all

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those in favour

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and declare that carried

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item three is four shadow declarations

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by councilors officers or contractors of

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any conflicts of interest

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I don't believe there have been any

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conflicts of interest submitted to any

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items this evening

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just record that as none and

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move on to item four

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we have two petitions submitted this

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evening I understand

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councilor Hill

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yes thank you Mr Mayor I have a petition

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from the owner of 86 Mentone parade

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Mentone and he's just putting forward

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his case wise family wishes uh that we

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don't proceed with the heritage overlay

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process

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so I'll just hand that to the ?

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?

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usually they do them in one motion but

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we'll go with the other one maybe with

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another motion this evening as well

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councilor Oxley

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should we do them first one by one okay

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so that's moved councilor Hill and

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seconded Council Oxley

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I think we need to

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put that to the vote first

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so all those in favour of the petition

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being referred to the CEO for response

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and declare that carried

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councilor Oxley

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uh thank you I also have a petition that

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I'd like to move uh be referred to the

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CEO for response and I'll get a

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secondary and then speak to it that's

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seconded councilor ? moved to

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council Oxley thank you uh the petition

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that I have uh is titled opposed

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construction of new rooming house

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Residential Building Development in Bonbeach

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it is currently signed by 104

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people and it reads that Kingston City

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Council have recently given approval for

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a private building contractor to

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construct a rooming house to be located

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in Bondi Road Bonbeach residents of

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Bondi Road and Royal Road have voiced

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their concern around the development of

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the new rooming house as they believe

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that no consultation or notice is

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required to inform residents of upcoming

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residential construction as under

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council guidelines of rooming houses and

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approved dwelling that does not trigger

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any planning permit requirements they

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have listed areas of concern for the

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neighbors which include obviously the

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dwelling type, potential capacity for car

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parking and tenancy potential negative

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impacts on local home values impact your

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residents directly surrounding

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neighborhood sense of community impacted

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and type of occupants and as I said is

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signed by 104 people so I would present

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that to the CEO for response thank you

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I'll just put that

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item to the vote all those in favour

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oh sorry Councilor Staikos did you wish to

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speak to him

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okay I declare that carried apologies

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we'll move on to the next item

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presentation of awards

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this evening we are recognizing Chandler

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Rotary who have been invited and joined

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us in the gallery I'd also like to

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acknowledge former Mayor a former

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councilor Ron Brownliss who is also

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participating this evening with us in

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the gallery who's had a heavy

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involvement with rotary in general but

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with Cheltenham rotary in his time as a

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councilor and as a Mayor

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um

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I thought I would just acknowledge

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Cheltenham rotary who have recently made

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the very difficult decision to

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discontinue

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after 50 years of continuous dedication

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to bettering the lives of others and our

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community

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um which must have been a very emotional

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and difficult decision to make

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the club has been actively strengthening

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and improving our community through a

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vast range of local projects and that

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humanitarian work extended beyond

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Kingston impacting lives internationally

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as well

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the Rotary Club of Cheltenham undercover

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market has of course long been a feature

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of Cheltenham Sundays enjoying the 

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loyal support of stall holders and

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shoppers for more than 30 years

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sadly times and circumstances change and

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with fewer members the club's ability to

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run those programs and other programs

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and staff the market has diminished

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resulting in the decision to bring the

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club and the market to a close

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there are a few current and former

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members here this evening and as we

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recognize what the club has done for

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Kingston in its five decades of service

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I just wanted to acknowledge a few of

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them who have joined us and some who

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might not be here but our thanks goes to

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Ian Slater Peter Murray Marilyn Murray

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Raj ?  Romanian sorry

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apologies for the mispronunciation

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Glenda Stevenson Richard Chan Gary

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Preston and Colleen Ruth thank you

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we also have another rotary

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stalwart as I mentioned this evening

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mayor Ron Brown is a former mayor Ron

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Brownliss who's the president of the

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Bentley Moorabbin Cheltenham  Central

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Rotary sorry Ron has been a member for

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over 33 years and in his time as

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councilor and Mayor was actively

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supporting rotary

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Ron would know the value that rotary

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provides and the local clubs provide to

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our community so I thank him as well for

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coming tonight

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on behalf of all of us at Council

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I offer our heartfelt thanks to the

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Rotary Club of Cheltenham's members for

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their tireless and impactful commitment

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to our community

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I'm sure some of you will take a

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well-deserved break now at least a

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little break maybe you're very used to

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community volunteering so maybe it won't

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be a very long break at all

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um

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but I know some of you still have a

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passion for enhancing our community and

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will likely have energy for the clubs in

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our community to support them into the

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future as well

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whatever life holds for you all now I

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hope you look back on your rotary time

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with pride you should be immensely proud

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of the community work you have done and

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we are very grateful as a council and

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have you generously your generosity

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kindness and support so thank you to you

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all

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?

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thank you

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we'll move on to

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our next item

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reports from delegates appointed by

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Council to various organizations

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I don't believe there are any reports

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this evening Mayor that is nil

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move on to

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question time

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sorry

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no it's not

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um as it is still not quite 7 30 p.m we

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will return back to this item once the

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question box in our gallery has closed

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people still have the opportunity to

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submit questions until 7 30 pm

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so we'll return to this item at that

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time

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[Laughter]

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[Applause]

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?

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we'll move on to the unblock items this

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evening this evening the on block

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contains items 8.1 the climate

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ecological emergency response update 9.1

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the Kingston Interfaith Network

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committee new member endorsement 9.2

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Community Awards 2024 program review and

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proposed changes 9.4 2023 Kingston Youth

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Awards 10.1 Award of contract to the

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stormwater drain repair services 10.2

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reward of contract for the concrete

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paving and curb channel works 10.3 award

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of contract for the roof pruning and for

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path reinstatement services

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10.4 new Aquatic and Leisure Center

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concept design community consultation

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outcomes 11.1 governance and compliance

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report 11.2 quick response grants and

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12.1 technology 1 supply of additional

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licenses

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councilors I'm looking for a mover

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and it's moved councilor Staikos seconded

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councilor Davey Burns

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Council Staikos

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you know

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thank you Mr Mayor obviously there's

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several reports here in the on block

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motion which I'm really happy to speak

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to

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and I would like to start obviously with

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the climate and ecological emergency

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response Plan update and thank in

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particular the autumnus committee for

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the work that they're doing in

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monitoring the implementation of the

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climate and ecological emergency

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response I think what we've seen in the

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report is that we've Council has done or

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completed so many actions in that in

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that response plan

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we have we're very proud of the work

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that we've done but there's there's a

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lot more work to do so it's a watch this

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space and I'm really pleased to see that

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this these reports are going to be

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coming to Council on a regular basis the

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next item that I wanted to touch on is

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the Kingston Youth Awards and there is a

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confidential part of this which I can't

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speak to but we are all looking forward

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to the event that's going to be held

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down at platform 81 in a few weeks time

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where we are able to make the

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announcement of who the recipient is

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going to be of our 2023 Kingston youth

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award and I was just chatting today to

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the president of the South East oam

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Association and as you know Mr Mayor the

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OEM Association also provided bursary to

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the recipient of that of the Kingston

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youth award so they're very excited to

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to attend that that event there are a

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number of contracts which I won't go

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through but riveting reading there we

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also have

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um what is exciting and what is very

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very

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um a great step forward for the council

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is the concept design Community

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consultation outcomes that have come

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back there's been a mountain of work

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done by you know you know a partnership

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between the communications team and the

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active Kingston team and there's been a

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huge amount of work where we've gone out

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to the community it's not just been an

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online thing it's been out there at our

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public open spaces in the streets in the

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community really hearing from the

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community about what they want to see

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their new pool look and feel like and

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that's what's been so

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inspiring about this and no matter where

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I go in Kingston including in places

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that you know aren't really that close

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to Morty I like places like dingley and

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moorabbin people are asking questions

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about the poor people know about the

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projects and people are looking forward

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to seeing it delivered so I just wanted

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to touch on those few issues that are in

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the block and commend all of those

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reports for the adoption by the council

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thank you councilorStaikos councilor

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Davey Burns

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thank you very much and thank you

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councilor stokos I agree there's some

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riveting reads in here I'll just run

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through a couple of them I too would

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like to speak about 8.1 just to note

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that in the last six months we've had

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more than 25 large businesses engaged

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and I understand that over 13 000 tons

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of CO2 savings have been identified

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through this work we've been looking at

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priority areas including ESD outcomes

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and I understand that our average star

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rating in planning is tracking for 6.4

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stars for single dwellings and

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townhouses which is pleasing and showing

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continuing room for improvement so we're

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also supporting initiatives that facilis

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facilitate solar and looking at barriers

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for new developments to be gas free and

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we're piloting two like commercial

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electric vehicles and we're also looking

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to have our EV charger in modelic

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established early next year finally

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we'll also note that we've made some

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Headway waves is something that I will

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be continuing to keep an eye on as it

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remains one of our largest emitters at

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25 percent

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um the community Awards I'll just note

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at 9.2 there's been two eligibility

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changes to increase the ease of

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nominations very much encourage people

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to do that and also very very proud to

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see at 9.4 our Kingston Youth Awards the

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incredible Talent there were seven

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eligible nominations and it's just

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wonderful to see that leadership and

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hope to see you on Council one day I did

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find the contracts quite riveting to

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read Because I turn this out a bit of a

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nerd sometimes

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um 10.1 this stormwater drain looked

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just a really important one tonight

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there's 33 000 stormwater drainage pits

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and pipes in Kingston so awarding this

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contract

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um is is a really important step 10

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points to the concrete Paving and curb

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works this is an important one for me in

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relation to accessibility I'm either out

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of my roller skates or with a pram with

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foster kids so I'm seeing that our curbs

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are kept up to date and safe is really

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important and this report is proposing a

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panel with three contractors which will

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better assist with Service delivery

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finally there 10.3 they're root pruning

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I learned a little bit in this report

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about the specialty skills required to

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undertake this type of work and under

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this contract all three of the

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contractors require complete the entire

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job which I understand will reduce

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delays and inconvenience to residences

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so very important gosh 45 seconds 10.4

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the new Aquatic Center we've got 96.2

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percent of the over 1 400 people who

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were surveyed I'm very satisfied in 86.8

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saying that they love it in the last 30

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seconds I'll just mention

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12.2 the technology won additional

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license I will just simply note that

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technology one has changed its offering

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and so the functionality that we

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required wasn't being offered in the

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base offering so we also going to advise

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at the time of that new three-year

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agreement in December 2022 we've decided

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to continue pursuing this particular

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contract so that we have a single system

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to capture and manage contract

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information and I think from since 2020

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there was over 121 contract numbers

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that's quite important

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um I'll leave it there thank you bye

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to any other councilors wish to speak to

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this to the unblock councilor Hill

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yes thank you Mr Mayor I'll just touch

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on a couple of points I too just wanted

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to quickly

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um speak to Our Youth Awards uh which is

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item 9.4

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um

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the Youth Awards are really important

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event that we hold uh they give us the

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opportunity to recognize the

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achievements of our youth age 12 to 25.

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we this year had uh well we narrowed it

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down to seven nominations in the end

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um we've got a big event being hosted at

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platform 81 in about a month's time

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which I think we're all looking forward

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to and that's just a really good

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opportunity to formally recognize the

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nominees and I know we'll be doing

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through our youth services team some

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sort of uh promotions around who those

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nominees are and and also obviously

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around the winner of the award as well

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but yeah no really looking forward to

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being part of that event again this this

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year

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um the other thing I'll just uh briefly

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speak to as my colleagues have already

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spoken to as well is just with regards

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to item uh let me find it again sorry uh

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item 10.4 with the new Aquatic Center

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um as we know this is a very big project

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for Council I just wanted to flag the

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fact that

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we have endorsed a budget I think of

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around about 79 million and there is

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also the land purchase which was around

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about 14 and a half million so it is a

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very significant investment of councils

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in this project

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I

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I really think we've done a great job

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with the consultation though so this was

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stage five of consultation we've got the

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community reference group who have been

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constantly feeding into the process as

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well I get a really strong feel that

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what we're presenting as the as the um

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draft concept design is very reflective

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of what we're hearing from our community

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so I'm really

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you know happy to you know to feel

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confident that the final design will be

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very reflective of the needs of our

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community as they have told us

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um I've been able to go to a couple of

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the community consultations myself and

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hear the feedback from our community and

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um look the level of excitement that I

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can sense when I when I speak to

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community members whether that's at

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formally at these consultations or just

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people generally in the community is uh

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yeah it's just great to hear it's it's

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an exciting project that I think the

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community really on board with as I say

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there's no getting around the fact that

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it's a very expensive project but we've

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got to I think see it in the in the guys

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that this is going to be a facility that

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Generations will get to enjoy and I

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think it's important that we get it

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right and and I think we're doing all

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the all the right sort of work to ensure

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that's the case so I'll leave my

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comments thank you

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thank you Mr deputy mayor to any other

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councilors wish to speak to the on block

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councilor State cost you wish to close

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and we'll put that to the vote

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all those in favour

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I declare that carried

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as it is

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now 7 30 we'll move to the public

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Question Time thank you to those who

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have submitted a question uh please note

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that in accordance with councils

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governance rules no debate on questions

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asked or answers given is permitted and

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Community member visits must not

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interject or take partner debate but

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please

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observe in silence in The Gallery at all

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times

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thank you Mr CEO

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thank you Mr Mayor we have a number of

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questions this evening the first

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question is from Neil Friedman

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question is I would like to know the

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reasons as to why there is no dogs

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allowed policy along the mortality

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foreshore on all areas 24 hours a day

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seven days a week could you please

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provide a copy of the rule or law and

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provide the minutes of that meeting that

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lead to this change I'll ask Mr Goodman

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general manager planning a place to

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respond

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uh through Mr Mayor and um thank you Mr

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fredman for your question section 26 of

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the domestic animal animals act 1994

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States the Council made by resolution

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make an order under this section which

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may prohibit the presence of dogs and

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cats in any public place of the

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municipal District of the council

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the no dog Zone in Peter scullen Reserve

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Morty Alec has been in place for over 20

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years there are signs and ground

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stencils at the location to make people

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aware

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that dogs are not permitted this area

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was established as a no dog Zone due to

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the high usage of the reserve by

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families utilizing the on-site barbecues

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and children's play areas

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in relation to the no dog Zone along the

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mordialloc foreshore city of Kingston

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undertook a public consultation process

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in 2001 on the winter and summer

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foreshore regulations the current

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regulations that are in place that set

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out when and where dogs are allowed

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along the foreshore are a result of the

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consultation process including the no

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dog area along the mordialloc foreshore

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the foreshore regulations are available

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on the city of Kingston website Council

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has a responsibility to Residents and

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visitors to formulate regulations in a

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balanced approach that allows access for

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dogs to the foreshore the city of

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Kingston has some 13 kilometers of

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foreshore which the council is not sorry

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that was a faux pas which the council is

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required to manage much of the foreshore

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is accessible by dog walking all year

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around but the no dog Zone in mordialloc

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is an important part of these

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regulations and provides an area for

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residents visitors who may not be

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comfortable around dogs to enjoy thank

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you

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thank you the next two questions are

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from Mr Gavin Nolan of Mentone as the

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Preamble for both of those questions was

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very extensive I've used the relevant

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section within Cancer's governance rules

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39.7 to summarize the Preamble of the

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question and it is as follows

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Council to the stage to this stage of

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the Aquatic project have emphasized the

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level of positive feedback and broad

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level of excitement of the consultation

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participants

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in 2021 Council received a report which

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costed this project in between 40 to 50

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million dollars and tonight's report

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under Financial considerations the real

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costs of the community is that the

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current estimate project cost is 79.2

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million the cost of the land purchase is

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14.6 million and now there are

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borrowings announced over 55 million

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that will incur interest the two

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questions for Mr nolano as follows will

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Council commit to providing direct

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correspondence out to every one of the

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sixty thousand rate paying residents at

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detailing the true Financial cost

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ramifications is outlined and then get

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real feedback from the broad Community

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before committing the community to these

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ongoing Financial costs and the second

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question is and is there a point at

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which Council can say we can't proceed

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I'll ask Miss Samantha cruel general

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manager infrastructure and open space to

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respond to both of those questions

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thank you and through you Mr May after

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an extensive sat identification process

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Council resolved at the 9th of May 2022

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special counsel meeting to purchase one

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to seven Wells Road in mordiella at a

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cost of 14.6 million dollars as the site

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for the new District level Aquatic and

00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.279
Leisure Center the total project cost of

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79.2 million has been widely publicized

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throughout the process of developing the

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project Concept in several ways

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as outlined in the council report

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tonight the project costs were also

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included in a public report at the April

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2023 meeting

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we Council endorsed funding of 79.2

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million within the draft

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2023-24 budget and long-term financial

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plan

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that is comprised of

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55.95 million of council borrowings and

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this is subject to finalization

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depending on the level of grant funding

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received

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20 million dollars from the Australian

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government and 3.2 million dollars of

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council rates

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council is continuing to Advocate to the

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state government for financial support

00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.759
of 10 to 20 million dollars the success

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of this will reduce council's need for

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borrowings and lessen the impact on loan

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repayments and future Capital Works

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programs

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with physical inactivity imposing high

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costs on Australian Society leading to

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higher rates of acute and chronic health

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conditions the 2017 study conducted by

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Royal life-saving indicated that just

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one weekly visit to a pool is enough to

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take most people out of the physically

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inactive category according to the study

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an average Aquatic Facility creates 2.72

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million dollars a year in value to the

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community Through health and well-being

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benefits

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as per Council resolution the loan

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repayments have been Incorporated and

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accounted for in council's budget and

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long-term financial plan which have

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separately been subject to public

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exhibition no additional correspondence

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is planned to be sent out

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thank you the next two questions are

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from rosemary West

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building

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and in response to the second question

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it is council's decision to progress or

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cancel any project

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following the closure of the Don tethnal

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Aquatic Facility Kingston has had a need

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for a second Aquatic Facility not only

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to replace Don tatnal but also to meet

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Community growth and needs at the April

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2021 meeting Council adopted the Aquatic

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Facility plan to guide strategic

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planning for aquatic and Leisure

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facilities in Kingston as set out in the

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plan the short-term priority is a

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provision of a new district-level

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Aquatic Facility in the Central or South

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of Kingston

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the constraints at the Don tethnal site

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made the location not feasible for this

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new facility

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Council through subsequent resolutions

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endorsed the purchase of the site in

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mordialloc for the new facility the

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business case and project budget the

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long-term financial plan the appointment

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of the principal architect and design

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team and the progression of the concept

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designed to community consultation

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termination of the project at any stage

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would incur Board of costs to council

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which would be most significant after

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the construction contractor is appointed

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thank you

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thank you the next question is from

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rosemary West

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given the council's Urban Design report

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for the mordiola can aspinal level

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crossing removals item 8.4 on this

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evening's agenda notes the importance of

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the community's preference for more

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trees parks and open space and that one

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of the last stretches of Remnant Coastal

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Banks who would land in Kingston is

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alongside the railway line and in groves

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Reserve in aspendale it council's

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proposing to relocate the station street

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road crossing through Groves Reserve at

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the end of Pine Lane with an elevated

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Railway Bridge over Pineland road

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crossing that would result in the

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destruction of most of this last Coast

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at Banksy Woodland remnant would Council

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consider proposing instead of a Road

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overpass over the railway line close to

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the existing Station Street crossing as

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this would enable the protection of the

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remnant Coast Banksy Woodland along the

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railway line and engros reserve and

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still enable a link between Attenborough

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Park and Groves Reserve under the

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overpass

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I'll ask Mr Goodman to respond to this

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question

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yeah thank you and through you um Mr

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Mayor in response to Miss West's first

00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.960
question the design parameters for the

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project are being established by the 11

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level crossing removal project the level

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crossing removal of project has not

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indicated it is considering a Road

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overpass over the railway line as

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suggested by Ms West the very

00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.839
preliminary thoughts of council officers

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are that such infrastructure would

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likely dominate the landscape in and

00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.839
around Edinburgh Park and likely

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requires significantly more land than

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the existing road to construct a

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two-lane each way elevated Road

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Council has already conveyed to the

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level crossing removal project the

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importance of the vegetation along the

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rail Corridor and will continue to

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advocate for vegetation retention

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wherever possible

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the second question reads given the

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council's Open Space strategy proposes

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to

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and that's item 10.5 in the ceilings

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agenda proposes to replace the local

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laws area local areas used in 2005 and

00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.039
2012 strategies for suburbs and to

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abandon the measure of how many hectares

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per 1000 residents are available per

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local area and hence no longer correctly

00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.319
identifies areas of open space shortfall

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would Council consider amending the

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strategy to restore the hectare per 1000

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people measure for the local areas to

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better inform councils and officers

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regarding where more public open space

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is needed well that's Miss cruel to

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respond to this question

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through you Mr Mayor measuring open

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space against the standard of 2.4

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hectares per thousand population was

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adopted in the absence of a Statewide

00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.400
policy in 2012. planning for open space

00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.079
against a volume measure does not follow

00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.640
the principles outlined in the 2021 open

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space for everyone's State strategy

00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.400
which focuses on fairness and Equity of

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open space Supply along with diversity

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in the experience offered to users the

00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.039
drive being presented tonight takes a

00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:40.839
more holistic approach consistent with

00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.200
modern open space planning methodologies

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thank you

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the next public question is from Tim and

00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.519
it reads from climate and ecological

00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:52.720
emergency response plan city of Kingston

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.200
blaming humans in climate change in 100

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years temperatures Rise by almost 1.4

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degrees Celsius carbon dioxide 40

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rainfall is decline we've had plenty of

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rainfall this year for sure

00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.519
and the sea level approximately 225 mil

00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.960
higher than in 1880. two questions here

00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:11.960
where's all documented data of measure

00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.160
remnants done in 1880 please provide and

00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:16.960
two sea level is not Rising so

00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.359
dramatically but it looks like it's very

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.039
convenient for Council to implement new

00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.200
regulations under this mode made up

00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.079
predictions to start to remove Community

00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.319
buildings proximate to the foreshore

00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.279
I'll ask Mr Goodman to respond to this

00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.759
question two questions

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thank you again and through Mr Mayor in

00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:41.160
the time available since Tim's question

00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:44.039
I've had the opportunity of looking at

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the Australian state of the environment

00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.880
report which said as follows

00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.680
Global sea level has been rising since

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the beginning of the 20th century and

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the rate of sea level rise is

00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:00.079
accelerating since near global satellite

00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.559
ultimate tree records began in 1993

00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:06.759
Global mean sea level has been rising at

00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.000
a rate of 3.3 millimeters per year

00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.759
counting to a total increase of 9

00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.720
centimeters from 1993 to 2020.

00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.640
with respect to the comment about

00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.559
Community buildings Community buildings

00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.920
are only removed from areas proximate to

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.200
the foreshore when Council receives

00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.720
appropriate expert advice in which to do

00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.960
so thank you

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.240
the next question is from Maya two parts

00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:35.920
of this question the residents of

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.599
Kingston area get letters from Kingston

00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.200
council with back address instead of

00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:41.680
Melbourne wrote

00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.599
bunnerong country

00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.079
two questions when this when this when

00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.440
did this change pass as a local law and

00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.640
how was it authorized I asked Mr Hogan

00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.960
general manager customer corporate

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support to respond

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uh thank you for your questions Maya um

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I'll just respond to both of those uh

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there is no need for Council to pass a

00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:06.759
local law in order to reference

00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.440
bonnarong country as part of a return

00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:09.480
address

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however any such action that recognizes

00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:13.760
the traditional owners and custodians of

00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.880
the land in our Municipal boundaries is

00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:17.559
consistent with council's reconciliation

00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.840
action plan the most recent Innovation

00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:21.800
plan as adopted by this Council a

00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:26.480
council meeting of 26th of April 2022.

00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.519
thank you

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the next question is more of a statement

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.239
than a question but I will read it out

00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.000
it's from Vicky and it is

00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.480
why is there such a high crime rate and

00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.920
Southland is abandoned after years all

00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.280
the shops are closed I lived in

00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.719
Cheltenham since 1988 and I don't

00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.639
recognize the suburbs anymore

00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.119
so again it's just a public statement

00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.119
that Vicky has chosen to make and

00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.039
there's no response back to that

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the next public question is from Pamela

00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.360
and it reads my question follows up

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.960
previous about council's question from

00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.639
paper version you advertise it to write

00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:09.880
a council letters or email I think it's

00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.000
wrong in the public asking to change the

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.599
form to make more convenience to a

00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.079
public people that not using computers

00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.079
that want to come to the meeting and ask

00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.519
questions and get good and satisfied

00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.239
answer how much effort you need to put

00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.159
just for making more lines in the form I

00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:28.599
asked Mr Hogan to respond to that

00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.840
question

00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.639
thank you Pamela we will amend the

00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.760
public question forms online and in hard

00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:38.880
copy available from the front of the

00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.199
chamber to extend the number of lines

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available to write upon although of

00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:44.679
course under long-standing provision

00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.960
39.7 of our governance rules questions

00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.199
must be as brief as possible thank you

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thank you final question this evening Mr

00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.320
Mayor is from

00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.920
Juan Zia French it is on 24 July 2023 I

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.920
asked a very specific question which was

00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.599
how many full-time and part-time staff

00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.760
and volunteer or others are employed or

00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.760
involved in the Kingston Council queer

00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.079
group for 12 to 17 year olds which was

00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:11.480
mentioned in the winter edition of

00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:13.840
Kingston your city this question was not

00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:15.639
answered properly saying an appropriate

00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.119
number is not answering the specific

00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:20.000
question I'm asking for numbers I'll ask

00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:21.719
Sally Jones General magic Community

00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.840
strengthening to respond to the question

00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:26.079
um thank you and thank you for your

00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.079
question I'll need to take that question

00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:29.880
on notice to provide the information

00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:34.000
requested through the question time

00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.199
thank you Mr Mayor I'm just confirming

00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.719
something at the moment

00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.719
oh just in respect to the uh public

00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.719
question in respect sorry from Vicky

00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:49.920
thank you for picking that up Council

00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:50.880
Oxley

00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:52.519
um there was in fact a question here my

00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:53.679
apologies

00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.519
um it said why is there such a high

00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.239
crime rate

00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.480
um at Southland

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um I guess in respect to that we may

00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:02.679
well need to take that question on

00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.320
notice and we can respond to you Vicky

00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:05.760
uh you have left your address here so

00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.400
we'll do that for you thank you

00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:19.719
okay thank you very much we'll move back

00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.639
to the agenda

00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:24.960
discussing item

00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.960
8.2 councilors I'm looking for emotion

00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.519
moved Council Hill just the recommended

00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:31.760
motion

00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.480
secondary councilors take us councilor

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Hill

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foreign

00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.199
yeah thank you thank you Mr Mayor um

00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.199
look I thought just in starting people

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:44.760
might be a little confused why this

00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.840
matter is back in front of council as we

00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.719
did debate this last month

00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.840
um the motion that we debated last month

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.639
was lost without an alternate motion

00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:56.920
being moved and therefore our officers

00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.039
didn't have a clear Direction it had to

00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.719
be brought back to council for a new

00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.480
resolution therefore

00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.480
um it also made it more complicated

00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.360
because there's an interim overlay on

00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:11.320
the property in question until the end

00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.920
of next March I think it is so we do

00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.119
need a resolution of

00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:17.000
if

00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:20.599
um this motion is not supported we will

00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:22.679
need an alternative motion

00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.519
to not only

00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:26.599
um

00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.480
I guess form a position on the on the

00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.960
matter but also to formally abandon the

00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.599
process and request the interim overlay

00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.599
is removed as well so I just thought it

00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.880
was worth pointing that out given that

00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.400
you know some people in the gallery and

00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.199
online might just be confused while

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.880
we're debating this matter again

00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.119
um before I start speaking I did have a

00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:50.400
a

00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.199
yeah well sorry before I continue

00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.480
speaking um I did have some questions if

00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.519
you don't mind that I'd like to

00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.239
um look into Mr Goodman so

00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.519
um the first was just around

00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.440
um if we can all just get a reminder as

00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.119
to what prompted Council to undertake a

00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.719
Heritage review and and I don't know if

00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:12.159
you'll have the answer to this but just

00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.000
what has rough Council roughly invested

00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.920
thus far

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.679
I might start with the first bit the

00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.079
council periodically updates its

00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.440
planning scheme and the last time the

00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.519
council really looked at Heritage was in

00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.480
about the mid 2000s I think it was

00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.239
Amendment c46

00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.760
so every couple of decades the council

00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.960
will re-look at its Heritage that former

00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.880
council is Keen that we undertook that

00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.400
task we briefed the former Council we

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.760
saw it Community nominations of places

00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:46.320
that the community felt might be

00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.320
significant and since that time have

00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:50.800
really been putting together a

00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.559
comprehensive kind of assessment of

00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.000
those buildings or places in the city

00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:57.840
that might be of Heritage significance

00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.280
as for the cost of the work to this time

00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:01.599
I can't definitely

00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:04.519
answer that question tonight Council

00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.760
Hill but I can certainly um

00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.880
provide some further detail on that it

00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:10.719
would be quite a it is always quite a

00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.599
significant so it is quite costly to

00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.000
undertake this work

00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.000
uh thank you

00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.800
um and then next I just also wanted to

00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.880
um just clarify I understand that there

00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.400
was a request for an interim protection

00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.800
order that went uh to the minister for

00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.440
this particular property and just if you

00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.000
can clarify the circumstances that that

00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.079
came about thank you direct that through

00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.239
to Mr Goodman again

00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:40.760
uh thank you and again through Mr Mayor

00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:42.840
and Council Oxley prompted me to this

00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:44.000
question as well

00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.400
um tonight and I think at the last

00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.079
council meeting so I'm lucky my

00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.440
colleague Miss Wales is in the gallery

00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.079
tonight and has helped with some more

00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.239
detail that goes beyond the information

00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.000
that's in your report and probably

00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.920
outlines the chronology of events really

00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.079
quite closely

00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:03.039
um your report that's before you tonight

00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.000
does indicate that the demolition

00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:08.239
request was made on the 20th of December

00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.760
2022

00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.079
the interim request was then made on the

00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.440
10th of January 2023 so Christmas New

00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.480
Year period the officers put that

00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.079
together

00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.079
um on the 11th of January so the

00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.840
subsequent day after that

00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.079
um the an officer notified the building

00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.639
surveyor and the owner was called

00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.440
regarding the decision about

00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.519
um the provision under section 29a of

00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.000
the building act which was to

00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.239
essentially suspend the demolition

00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.599
permit and Council has a limited period

00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.719
of time in which to do that

00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.480
and then after lodging the interim

00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.679
request as his protocol a request for

00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.519
permanent amendment was lodged on the

00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.280
19th of January

00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.480
and then a formal letter was sent to the

00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.400
owner on the 2nd of February oh sorry I

00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:03.280
should say 2023. so over that

00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.559
um five-week period that was essentially

00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.000
the process Council then received

00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:11.760
authorization to conduct the permanent

00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.599
Amendment after the interim amendment

00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.079
was introduced the amendment was

00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:17.800
exhibited in the report before you

00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:18.840
tonight

00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.480
summarizes that stage of the process

00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.519
that we're now in thank

00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.880
you thank you great thank you for that

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.440
as well um I did just have two other

00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.840
questions so apologies for the Times

00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.719
taking I just wanted to

00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:35.480
um

00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.880
get I guess your take on if Council

00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.679
resolved to abandon the process now

00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.119
um what is likely to be the ultimate

00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.440
outcome if we went down that path

00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.000
again I'll direct that question through

00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.840
to Mr Goodman

00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.840
um it's not normally my practice but I

00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.960
might just ask for Clarity on how what

00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.079
that what you mean by outcome decide

00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.719
appropriately answering the question

00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.119
um sorry I guess what would be the

00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.760
likely process moving forward if we

00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:11.119
resolve to abandon this and an ultimate

00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.079
motion was was moved and passed

00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.599
yep thank you for clarifying councilor

00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:18.519
Hill three Mr Mayor

00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.719
um if Council resolved to abandon this

00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.119
and that would be abandoning the

00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:23.559
planning scheme Amendment the officer

00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:25.960
advice would be if the council wishes to

00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.400
do that you should also write to the

00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.800
planning minister to seek the interim

00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.880
control

00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.239
what you think is Heritage overlay 128

00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.000
in our planning scheme removed and that

00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.280
is in place till the 31st of March next

00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:40.239
year

00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.440
if that control is removed and if the

00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.039
council no longer proceeds with the

00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.239
amendment

00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:47.719
um and if we were to be asked by the

00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.519
building surveyor whether or not

00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:51.519
um the council had a view on an

00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.159
application under the building act under

00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.719
Section 29a to demolish the building Our

00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:58.320
advice to that building surveyor would

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.599
be we don't oppose the demolition would

00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.400
then be a matter for the landowner to

00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:03.880
determine whether or not they then wish

00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.039
to progress the demolition of the

00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.000
building which obviously was the intent

00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.159
of the landowner we say last year when

00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:15.199
the demolition application was made

00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:17.800
thank you again for clarifying that um

00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.679
just the last question was just whether

00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.519
we get direction on Heritage through the

00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.639
planning environment Act

00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:28.239
I can we'll direct that question through

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.039
to Mr Goodman

00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.000
uh through you Mr Mayor we do I don't

00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:35.880
have the objectives of planning

00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.599
invictory in front of me but there is

00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.519
objective specifically about the

00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.880
preservation of um

00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.400
Heritage as being an important role for

00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.440
planning authorities state and local to

00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.599
undertake and the conduct of completing

00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:50.880
Heritage studies is part of that

00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.960
exercise and for that reason it appears

00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.679
I think it's in section four of the um

00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.239
planning and environment act that it

00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.119
appears with some profile that that's

00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.480
work that's expected of local and state

00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.239
government to do

00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.639
thank you um look I'll just continue

00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:10.360
um

00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.480
just to cover off again

00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.519
this house at 86 Mentone parade was

00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.920
identified as as we've heard as a place

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:22.320
of significance and we've reviewed a

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.719
review was undertaken uh

00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.719
we um we exhibit the the amendment May

00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.880
June this year we received 11

00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.480
submissions seven were in in support of

00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:37.960
the amendment

00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:38.880
um

00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.719
myself Council of our and councilor

00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.719
deities did uh well and and two of our

00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:46.679
officers actually visited the owner last

00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.320
week at the property and they were very

00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.000
lovely and took us through the home and

00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.480
look I can say there is no denying that

00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.719
the house is in a state of disrepair

00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.280
um you know we we observe that

00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.280
whilst the owners expressed to us

00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.320
um you know through multiple uh

00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.599
Communications that his fat families

00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.719
desire is that we evoke to abandon this

00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.039
process

00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.079
I can't get around the fact that we've

00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.679
been we have advice

00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.239
the property does meet the threshold for

00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:21.360
consideration and we've heard that

00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.639
Council does have an obligation under

00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.480
the planning and environment act

00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.880
to conserve buildings of local heritage

00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.719
significance

00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:31.960
so

00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.199
what we're voting on this evening is is

00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.239
actually pretty straightforward is it's

00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.159
simply whether we believe

00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:40.679
whether we trust in the information

00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.000
that's been provided to us to proceed to

00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.440
a to a planning panel

00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:47.199
um

00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.920
with everything I've heard and read

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.760
and that's what we're being asked I

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.559
actually can't come up with an argument

00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:55.360
against that

00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.000
um

00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:58.920
if we do decide to go down this path

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.320
um a further report from a planning

00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:04.599
panel will ultimately be presented back

00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.400
to council which we will then vote on

00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.119
but whether or not to amend the planning

00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.119
scheme will ultimately still rest in the

00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.360
hands of the of the planning minister

00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.719
um so really that's that's where we are

00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:19.239
now

00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.960
um as I say I can't kind of get around

00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.079
the fact that the process that we're

00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.119
following is exactly the process that

00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:28.960
we're directed to follow

00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.719
um it's it's kind of straightforward

00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.519
when I I read the planning environment

00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.079
at the particular passage and we are

00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.519
doing exactly as we've been directed so

00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.599
you know that's why I'm I am in still in

00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:44.239
strong support of what the officer

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.599
accommodation is saying thank you

00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.679
thank you Council Hill councilorStaikos

00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.239
in reserve

00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.119
do any other councilors wish to speak to

00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:55.360
this

00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.519
councilor Oxley

00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.760
thank you I am having Deja Vu with this

00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:02.679
one

00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.920
um I don't believe this should even be

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.239
back before us and whilst there's a

00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.800
disagreement around resolutions and

00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.239
decisions of council council did make a

00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.239
decision to not proceed with this last

00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:15.119
month

00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.880
and I think to have this back before us

00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:20.559
I think is an abusive process and that's

00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.199
just my opinion

00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.920
and I think is grossly unfair

00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.239
to a resident in our city

00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.599
who went through this process who had

00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.880
Council make a decision and whilst not a

00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.239
resolution council did make a decision

00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.760
to not proceed with what is before us

00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:42.400
and now on some form of technicality

00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.000
this is now back before us because there

00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:47.320
was a disagreement and some people

00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:48.880
didn't like the outcome

00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:50.000
so

00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.480
from my perspective nothing has changed

00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.599
for me and whilst councilor Hill

00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.000
mentioned he believes that we're

00:48:58.079 --> 00:48:59.679
following the process we're directed to

00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.639
follow and to some extent that's true

00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.000
there is nothing in this process

00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.800
that has involved Council putting in

00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.440
interim controls

00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:12.239
and Consulting with a landowner before

00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.239
we did that

00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.239
that is what I object to about this

00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:17.920
entire process

00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.559
I am not against Council preserving Our

00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.760
Heritage within our city

00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.000
I'm not against Council going through

00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.840
Heritage studies and following a process

00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:31.199
that gives a landowner the right to have

00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:32.800
their say

00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.199
before we go and whack controls on their

00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.880
property their livelihood their home

00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:41.800
the feeling

00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.440
of waking up and understanding that

00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.679
there are interim controls on what is

00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.000
most people's single biggest asset

00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.239
is heartbreaking

00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.440
absolutely heartbreaking and I feel for

00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.119
this President because we haven't gone

00:49:58.199 --> 00:49:59.719
through the usual process that we go

00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:00.840
through

00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:02.920
we usually go through a Heritage study

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.559
which usually involves weeks and weeks

00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.440
and weeks of consultation

00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.119
and that is something that is missing

00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:11.679
from this process

00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.719
and yes we're now going through this

00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.039
process and potentially going through

00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.400
this process with the planning panel

00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.960
we all know the outcome of planning

00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:21.880
panels

00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.119
and the moment we go through this it is

00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.400
very very rare that Council then decides

00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.679
to abandon a process after a planning

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.960
panel and it does happen but it's very

00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:34.199
rare

00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.320
and I feel for this resident

00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:41.159
because this is their home

00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.840
and the impact of Heritage controls on

00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.440
someone's home gets downplayed by

00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.360
planners gets downplayed by Heritage

00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.639
consultants and the impact is enormous

00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:53.719
and we can talk about the Heritage and

00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.320
we can talk about the Heritage value and

00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:56.920
I'm not disputing that

00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.199
but we have gone about this the wrong

00:50:59.280 --> 00:50:59.960
way

00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:01.920
and we're continuing to go about this

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.159
the wrong way

00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.079
and I hope that we can make the same

00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.800
decision we did last week or last month

00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:10.239
because this shouldn't even be back here

00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:11.639
Mr Mayor

00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.719
thank you Council Oxley

00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:18.400
councilor Howe

00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.880
thank you and we had a pretty clear

00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.079
entertainment position on this just a

00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:24.840
month ago as was mentioned by Council

00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:28.119
Oxley it's quite clear and quite obvious

00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.639
that the Heritage value of this property

00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.360
is pretty remark it is in derelict's

00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:37.480
condition and to put the family through

00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.519
such a arduous process is quite

00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.719
unreasonable considering that

00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.440
we have determined

00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.840
where they should sit and quite

00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.119
obviously the family wants to get on and

00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:52.960
build their family home and that's

00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:54.840
probably the best thing we could do is

00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:56.440
to allow them to go forward with that

00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.440
process and to have had the interim

00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.519
control put on there in the first place

00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.519
really we go back to our principals as a

00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.320
council it's not the community inspired

00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:06.639
leadership I would have hoped to have

00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.840
been seen and uh I would hope to see

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.480
this actually voted down in alternated

00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:13.760
motion put up for consideration and I

00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:14.920
think that's the direction we should be

00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.559
taking tonight thank you thank you

00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:19.960
councilor Howe Council Hua

00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:21.960
thank you Mr Mayor I just want to raise

00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.599
a question I was uh reading the former

00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.320
minutes from last meeting and the motion

00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.960
currently being moved is looks exactly

00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.719
the same as the previous motion we voted

00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:37.320
down how if the officer was saying we

00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.320
haven't moved the alternate motion

00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.039
how come the exactly the same motions

00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.039
here appear on the screen

00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:47.719
the compliance to answer that question

00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:49.599
direct that question through the Mr

00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:50.559
Goodman

00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.159
uh three Mr Mayor

00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.000
the officer's recommendation to council

00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:57.519
hasn't changed with respect to this

00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.840
matter

00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:03.880
thank you Mr Goodman

00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.519
councilor huh

00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.440
I think the question is too compliance

00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:09.880
is is that

00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.719
committed in the local law

00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:13.920
I might

00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:15.840
we'll just confirm with

00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.440
accounts Mr Hogan

00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:20.960
through the chair just let me reference

00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.079
the

00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.320
the section

00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.199
foreign

00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.960
looking at um the minutes of the meeting

00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.480
of the 24th of July 2023 item 8.5

00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.760
amendments c215 King six Mentone parade

00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:54.239
um there was a moved motion that was

00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.639
lost a division was further called which

00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:59.440
was lost and there was no additional

00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.320
resolution to determine any action in

00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.119
the affirmative as required by the local

00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.360
government

00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.719
I might just clarify sorry Mr Hogan I

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.199
think the question from councilwa is a

00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.679
governance related question whether a

00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.239
matter that was

00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.519
could be reconsidered that was lost the

00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:21.159
recommended motion

00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:22.360
yes

00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.280
good news is appropriate to be received

00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:25.679
at this council meeting

00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.480
thank you Mr Hogan

00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.159
Council

00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:30.960
thank you for the answer I just find

00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.880
this really strange the motion we voted

00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:35.559
down last time appears on the screen

00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.679
again exactly the wording I didn't see

00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.920
any single word that's different

00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:41.639
um

00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.719
I hope it gets voted down again and so

00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:46.840
we can move the alternate the bend the

00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.079
process it's really unfair for this

00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:53.239
particular family and to go through this

00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.119
I read a report

00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:56.559
um

00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:00.039
the the whole point is the property used

00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.760
to own by the founder of Mentone Matthew

00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:07.000
Davis but if you look at going through

00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.840
the detail of the report message David

00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:10.760
Davis

00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.440
probably never even living the property

00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.519
at one time he was transferred to his

00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:18.360
accountant and and sometimes later it

00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.719
was occupied by his sister and we've

00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.079
been to the property and it is a very

00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.440
old property it has lots of structural

00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.480
damage to the property probably one of

00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.320
the worst property I've ever seen I have

00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:34.079
everything a lot of cracks on the wall

00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.599
and the floor part of the floor is gone

00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.960
and if you don't be careful I think

00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.199
Constance almost fall into the hole and

00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.360
in their property so we are trying to

00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.320
make this permanent Heritage control on

00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.480
the property so we can

00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.239
uh preserve something with a horrible

00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.639
structural damage and and we're

00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:58.440
basically forcing the residents to foot

00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:00.400
the bills and

00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.559
and when it comes to

00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.519
renovate

00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.639
um Council understand for example Don

00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.719
techno we understand if the course is

00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:11.000
too much to maintain it we abandon it

00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:13.920
and we find a different location to

00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.000
build a new facilities and now we are

00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.519
forcing our residents to do these things

00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:20.920
because

00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:22.679
people sitting in this room are not

00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.519
paying for it

00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.360
I'm really sorry for the residence

00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.239
thank you Council

00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.079
to any other councilors wish to speak to

00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.880
this item

00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:37.119
councilorStaikos thank you

00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.639
um I have only a few points to make

00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:42.960
about this my position hasn't changed

00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:47.320
since Council considered this last time

00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.480
Council isn't making a decision about

00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.599
whether or not this property will be

00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.719
Heritage listed we are making a decision

00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.719
to refer it to a panel at which the

00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.039
panel will be the expert panel will make

00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.679
the consideration and report back to

00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:09.639
council

00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.320
that is really what we are being asked

00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:18.119
that is really what we need to consider

00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.679
and whilst we are supporting

00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:25.840
its listing because we have received

00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:30.239
expert advice none of which no councilor

00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.679
on this council is an expert

00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.480
uh neither are they a building expert

00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.920
nor are they a Heritage expert I would

00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.880
recommend that we take the opportunity

00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:47.639
to send this item to the panel

00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.039
secondly I think it's

00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.920
and and I would like to thank the

00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:55.480
resident who did point this out to me we

00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:58.519
do not want to create an incentive to

00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:02.000
Residents who own Heritage properties to

00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.199
allow them to fall into disrepair so

00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.119
that somehow they can get out of their

00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.760
properties being Heritage listed or

00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.199
considered for Heritage listing we don't

00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.599
have that many Heritage properties in

00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.159
the city of Kingston that we can allow

00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:21.880
to build in an incentive for people to

00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.480
allow Heritage properties to fall into

00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.519
disrepair so that somehow they can get

00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.880
out of the process of

00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.159
um Heritage listing I think that that's

00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.440
unfair I think that's unfair to the

00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.920
whole Community that's unfair to the

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.880
Australian Community for that to occur

00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:41.920
and particularly to the Mentone

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.800
community that Prides itself on heritage

00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:48.199
why is it that Kingston Prides itself in

00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.880
Mentone for not only its Heritage we

00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.280
have a beautiful Heritage station we

00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.679
have a beautiful kill breeder and we

00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:59.159
have a number of historic homes and we

00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.400
need to protect what we have the third

00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.960
thing that I'll say is on that of

00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.239
governance Council didn't make a

00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.880
decision last month we made a decision

00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.119
not to proceed with this

00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.000
that doesn't mean that it can't be

00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.679
re-listed for reconsideration and that's

00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.000
what's been done and that's a good thing

00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:20.880
because it means that councilors

00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.559
councilors have had an extra month to

00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:25.760
think about what's at risk and what we

00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.440
could lose and I really implore I really

00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.159
would like to appeal to the councilors

00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.440
to really think about what's at stake

00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:36.880
here because we need to draw a line and

00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.199
we need to draw it now because we could

00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:43.360
lose a lot more than just one house

00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.079
thank you CouncilStaikos

00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:49.360
councilor Davies

00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.599
uh thank you first of all I just would

00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.800
like to acknowledge some of the

00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:55.920
Olympics that um I do recognize that

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:57.880
this is an incredibly stressful process

00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:00.599
for the owner and I do think that's in

01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:02.719
part to do with the fact that it is a

01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:04.440
bit of a surprise to suddenly get a

01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:06.480
interim listing on you and I know that

01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:08.960
we are looking at changes to do with

01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:10.239
that

01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.480
um and I do recognize the comment about

01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.239
why are we back here but if we actually

01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.760
weren't back here this month then I

01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.480
think that would leave the homeowner in

01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:23.639
limbo until March 2024 because the

01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:25.840
interim heritage

01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:26.800
um

01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.400
overlay listing that Mr Goodman was

01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.079
talking about does survive until March

01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:35.559
2024 so really we I have three to me

01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.920
when I was looking at this again it's do

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:40.719
we leave the homeowner in limbo until

01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:42.719
March 2024 where they don't know what's

01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:43.840
going to happen and their life is

01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.840
effectively on hold

01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.679
um do we agree that the property should

01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:49.199
be demolished because that's the

01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:50.880
Practical outcome

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.719
do we Heritage list it or do we send it

01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.400
to a planning panel and I recognize it

01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:57.840
you know really

01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:00.760
the cost for the resident is going to be

01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:02.199
quite extensive

01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.320
because they're in the process

01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:07.079
I personally am not comfortable

01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.239
recognize suggesting demolition when we

01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:13.440
have a Heritage expert that I can't just

01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.519
ignore and I am totally not qualified to

01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:18.639
make a decision on the fact that it

01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.719
should be Heritage listed in its current

01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.119
state because I did go to the house and

01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:25.119
it's got

01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.519
quite as councilwa mentioned it does

01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:28.960
have a lot of

01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:30.960
you know issues and I think councilor

01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:32.079
Aiden mentioned last time about

01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.199
potential costs to actually repair but I

01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.480
have to to a certain extent and I

01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:38.800
recognize that it's very difficult to

01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:40.519
the homeowners and that's why I'm

01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:42.119
talking direct to you and I know I'm

01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:43.840
supposed to be talking to the mayor is

01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.840
that I do think personally I'm not

01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:48.599
equipped to make that decision and it

01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:50.159
does need to go to a planning Authority

01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:53.320
so I am actually going to vote for it to

01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.519
go to a planning Authority this time

01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.320
around I can see that it means that you

01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.320
will know by September or October where

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.159
this lies so your life won't be in limbo

01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.239
until March 2024 and I have been told

01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:10.000
when I did go to the house last week

01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.760
that you know you can still apply to do

01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.400
things to the property and it is a

01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.079
question of expense I do recognize that

01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:19.079
it is absolutely a question of expense

01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:22.119
um but I'm just not comfortable with to

01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.480
me the the my lack of knowledge on

01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.119
whether it's Heritage or demolition

01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.559
means I do have to refer in my vote will

01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.360
be to send it off to a planning

01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:33.480
Authority thank you

01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.119
thank you councilor Davies councilor

01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:37.440
Eden

01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:39.519
uh yes thank you Mr Mayor I just wanted

01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:40.480
to ask

01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.840
uh through to the relevant officer just

01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.159
in terms of uh the schedule around

01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.719
actually having a planning panel

01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:49.480
um generally how many months is that

01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.320
away once Council requests one and

01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.480
generally based on say the past two or

01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.320
three planning panels reports that we've

01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:57.840
had come back

01:02:57.920 --> 01:02:59.559
uh how long does it take to actually get

01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.559
a report that would then provide

01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.920
certainty to some extent to the resident

01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:06.519
um and then how many months does it take

01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.159
for officers to generally process that

01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:09.719
and bring that back to a council meeting

01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:11.920
for a final determination thank you

01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.079
thank you councilor and I'll direct that

01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.480
question through to Mr Goodman

01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:21.880
in response to your question

01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.159
it will depend firstly on what council

01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:27.360
does tonight so Council resolves to

01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.440
support the recommendation that's on the

01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.719
screen at the moment the officers will

01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:33.599
need to contact planning panels Victoria

01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.639
and reschedule a date for the panel

01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.480
hearing because although we have preset

01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:39.480
dates

01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:43.480
we would need to do that and I suspect

01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:45.039
that looks something like a directions

01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:47.480
Hearing in September and a hearing in

01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:49.239
October

01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.519
um when that happens depending on how

01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.599
many members are on the panel generally

01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:58.000
if there's one member which may be the

01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:00.280
case here there might be two the panel

01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.400
has 20 days to come back to council with

01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.440
its report

01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:07.760
once the report is received officers

01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:09.840
would present the report to a meeting

01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.480
like this a formal council meeting with

01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.320
a recommendation on what to do with the

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.480
panel report so assuming the panel is

01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:19.599
heard in October

01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.320
it might be that the panel report is

01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:24.639
available to council mid to late

01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.639
November might then mean that we report

01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.760
the matter to the council

01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:32.639
mid-December might then mean that the

01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:34.519
council determine that report and the

01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:36.719
council can either determine to abandon

01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:39.119
at that stage or progress to adopt the

01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:41.440
amendment either in the formats in or

01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.000
with changes as per the ACT then the

01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:45.639
amendment would be under that

01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.039
circumstance submitted to the planning

01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.159
Minister who needs to approve it and the

01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:54.760
minister has whatever time frames the

01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:56.960
minister wishes to impose to consider

01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.920
how long the amendment will will take

01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.960
that being said because the interim

01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.800
control expires on the 31st of March our

01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:07.719
strong objective and I suspect the

01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:09.480
planning ministers as well would be to

01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.320
make sure if the amendment proceeded

01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.880
tonight and proceeded after panel that

01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:16.840
the matter was resolved prior to that

01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.639
date of the 31st of March otherwise the

01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:25.079
control is removed and or the interim

01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.159
control is further extended by the

01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:28.719
minister which has been known to happen

01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:30.840
if the time has exceeded

01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:35.159
the end date I hope that helps with your

01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:38.559
question thank you it does thank you I

01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:39.960
just wanted to clarify so you feel

01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:41.679
fairly confident that we could have a

01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:43.599
report back to council this year for

01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.079
consideration or would that be

01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:47.719
feeling just a little bit confident

01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:49.840
about that

01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:51.360
again I'll direct that question to Mr

01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:52.320
Goodman

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:56.239
fairly in a little bit of conceptual

01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:57.880
um I

01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:00.159
I would like to try and Achieve that

01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.880
objective but it will depend on when the

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.880
actual hearing is held I think once we

01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.119
know the date of the hearing

01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:11.079
provided the panel keeps its end of the

01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:13.079
bargain and provides its report within

01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:15.840
the 20 days I'm confident that we could

01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.760
potentially meet the December council

01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:20.079
meeting but I wouldn't want to be

01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:23.960
definitive at this time thank you

01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:26.960
thank you for that Mr Mayor will I be

01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:29.880
able to speak to the item now yes cancel

01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.400
uh yes thank you Mr Mayor I must say I

01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:35.199
do understand some of the concerns

01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:38.000
raised by a number of individuals just

01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:40.239
in terms of the process and there's been

01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.119
a substantial discussion tonight around

01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.639
that particular process and I think

01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:47.480
one of the things Council offer needs to

01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:49.760
consider is the you know the pub test

01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:52.320
and when people or when councilors move

01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:54.039
notices of motion if they're defeated

01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.559
they can't be reconsidered for several

01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.320
months before the council again

01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:01.920
and I think if a report came up to

01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:03.880
council and the community saw that and

01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:06.360
it said to spend 20 million dollars on

01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.119
rebuilding the council chamber and

01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:11.079
Council voted that down and they said no

01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.519
we're not accepting that officer report

01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:15.519
I think a lot of people would say very

01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.440
clearly that's the council making a very

01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.440
clear Direction on where they want to

01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.960
head with a particular item and if we

01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:24.639
were to then get back every month after

01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.800
that the same report requesting for us

01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:28.360
to spend that money

01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:29.800
I think people in the community would

01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:31.679
rightly ask well why is that actually

01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:33.440
happening because council's already said

01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:35.719
no so why does it come back a second

01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:38.000
time and I think that probably goes to

01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.599
some of the concerns tonight and you

01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:41.719
know of course we can always find

01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:44.320
technicalities to bring particular items

01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.599
back I know there's various ways under

01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:48.159
the meeting procedure

01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:50.199
to have items come back you know emotion

01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:51.639
could be lost and then an officer

01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:53.199
basically puts a report up with the

01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.480
motion in it but I think we need to look

01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:57.719
at what is reasonable in the eyes of the

01:07:57.800 --> 01:07:59.320
community and I think a number of people

01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.360
are quite concerned with the way in

01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:02.880
which something can be

01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:05.159
uh you know it was voted down the report

01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:07.079
wasn't supported and here we are again

01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.320
running the same arguments again

01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:12.199
I think that does raise concern for

01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:13.760
people

01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:15.400
um and the other points that I would

01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.079
make is I do believe that with this

01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:19.800
particular discussion there's been

01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.560
comments made that we are obligated to

01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.960
follow a particular process uh under the

01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:28.640
ACT the ACT uh doesn't specify that once

01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:30.760
an interim's put in a council must send

01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:32.560
it to a planning panel because if it did

01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:35.560
we wouldn't be here tonight debating it

01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:37.640
what is required is for the council

01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:39.800
based on the delegations that we have to

01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.600
actually consider uh whether or not this

01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:44.199
is public policy that is elected

01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:46.720
officials we actually support so I think

01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.960
it's important for people to

01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:52.119
not hide behind a veil saying that this

01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:54.520
is what we're legally required to do but

01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:56.199
to accept that these are the individual

01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:58.359
decisions of each individual councilor

01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:01.319
tonight on this particular item it is

01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.359
councilor you know each individual

01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:05.199
councilor makes a very clear direction

01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:07.560
of whether or not they would like the

01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:10.600
residents to go through this process in

01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:12.399
return for the community potentially

01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:15.880
getting some benefit from it uh but

01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:17.680
again I would reiterate that there is a

01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.600
substantial cost to even getting this

01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:21.760
report uh and going through the panel

01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:23.680
process it runs into the tens of

01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.399
thousands uh to go through this process

01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:28.119
and that ultimately deprives our

01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:30.159
sporting clubs our community groups and

01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:33.279
our residents from other Investments uh

01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:34.760
so I would reiterate what I said at

01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:37.640
Prime meetings and I won't be supporting

01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.439
this item tonight thank you thank you

01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:42.960
councilor Eden

01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:44.720
to any other councilors wish to speak to

01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.600
this item

01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:48.760
I might

01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:52.479
make a few comments just before we ask

01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.479
Council Hill to close

01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:57.800
um I won't specifically

01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.239
enter into the question around the

01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:01.760
debate rather just to talk about the

01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:03.760
process because I think there's been

01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:05.439
some questions regarding processing it's

01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:06.600
really important that we make that

01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:09.039
really clear why this has come back to

01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:10.199
us

01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:11.920
um and I could talk to it myself but I

01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:13.479
might actually just confirm before I go

01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:15.000
down this path if I can ask a question

01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.119
through you through to you Mr Goodman

01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.760
with respect to process and

01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:23.680
whether we need a formal position of

01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.520
council under I guess not just our

01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:27.960
governance structure but what the ACT

01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:30.239
stipulates

01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:32.079
thank you

01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:34.199
thank you three Mr Man to your question

01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:37.119
I did circulate advice to council after

01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:43.119
the last decision on 31 July at 4 40 pm

01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.279
that really made something clear that

01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.520
does when you say the Act we I'm

01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:48.720
referring to the planning and

01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:50.279
environment act and I think that's an

01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.119
important distinction to other decisions

01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:53.920
the council make under the Government

01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.279
Act under section 23 of the planning and

01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.640
environment act for officers to progress

01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:02.800
this stage of the planning scheme

01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:04.640
Amendment there are three formal options

01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:06.720
that are available to you the council

01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:09.720
and they read as follows after

01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:11.680
considering and this is covered in your

01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:13.560
report but I'll go through it after

01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:15.640
considering a submission which requests

01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.239
a change to the amendment the planning

01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:20.560
Authority must

01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:23.279
a change the amendment in the manner

01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.800
requested or B refer the submission to a

01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:30.359
panel appointed under part 8 or C

01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:33.079
abandon the amendment or part of that

01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:34.479
Amendment

01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:37.000
and for that reason the report was

01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:40.000
re-tabled tonight because not one of

01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.239
those three scenarios was formally

01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.439
resolved by the council at the previous

01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:46.439
council meeting I hope that clarifies

01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.760
that question

01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.880
thank you Mr Goodman

01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:55.479
so again we as there was comments thrown

01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:57.239
by some of the councils around process

01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.439
we actually are stipulated under the

01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:00.800
planning and environment act which we do

01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.000
have to follow that is enshrined into

01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:05.800
um uh well it's the legal requirements

01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:08.520
that we have to follow that we do need a

01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:10.199
position on this there hasn't been a

01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.199
formal one by Council made which is why

01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:15.359
this is coming back to us and further on

01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:16.600
that I think there was a question around

01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:18.640
wording and why no single word has

01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:20.279
changed but how can a recommended motion

01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:22.720
come back well because of that this is a

01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:25.439
recommended motion by our officers their

01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.039
recommendation hasn't changed with what

01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:28.319
they're putting forward that is their

01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:30.239
report and that is their recommendation

01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.399
that is why we this has come back in the

01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:36.039
same form that it has previously

01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:38.680
whether councilors disagree with the

01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:40.000
fact that there wasn't a position or

01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:41.760
think that this is unfair process well

01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.279
it that it just simply isn't true we

01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:46.880
have an act that we have to follow that

01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:48.520
is stipulated by our state government

01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:50.800
and that is why we are where we are

01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:52.960
right now it is unfortunate that we've

01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:54.880
gotten here I understand the issues

01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.720
around this particular debate but I just

01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.000
wanted to make it very clear that this

01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:03.479
is why we are here

01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:05.600
thank you Council Hill do you wish to

01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:08.960
clock Council Oxley

01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:11.520
just two final questions obviously

01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:13.880
before councilor Hill closes

01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:15.359
um whether Mr Goodman could please

01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:19.479
outline the cost to council for a panel

01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:24.560
Mr Goodman

01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:33.840
three Madam mayor just sorry nice to me

01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:36.960
um

01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:39.680
remember

01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:48.079
yeah section I think I answered this

01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:49.600
question before section uh previous

01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:52.600
meeting section 5.3 of the report

01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:55.000
um provides guidance to councilors on

01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:57.800
the potential costs of the amendment and

01:13:57.880 --> 01:13:59.199
the

01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:00.479
um there are costs associated with a

01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:01.720
planning panel this could be around

01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:03.479
thirty five thousand dollars for a panel

01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:05.760
costs and an expert witness if called

01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:07.960
such as a Heritage advice so that's in

01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:10.199
section 5.3 the report so approximately

01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:12.039
thirty five thousand dollars thank you

01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.239
Mr Goodman Council Oxley thank you um

01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:18.000
and if we were to go through a Heritage

01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.960
study whereby there are usually multiple

01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:24.479
properties sometimes tens sometimes

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.760
hundreds included in Heritage studies

01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:29.279
what would be the cost to go to panel

01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:32.039
for a Heritage study that may include

01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:34.720
multiple properties

01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:36.560
direct that question once again through

01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:38.600
to Mr Goodman

01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:40.880
it's a very big question to answer I I

01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:43.479
couldn't definitive but it depends how

01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:45.760
long the hearing is how many submissions

01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:48.800
there are what areas of Heritage what

01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:52.960
types of experts we might call but it

01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:55.439
would be a very very expensive process

01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.840
thank you Mr Goodman

01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.800
another question Council ruxley I do

01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:03.479
um

01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:05.760
given that many councils go through

01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:08.439
Heritage processes

01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:10.359
um I'm just wondering is there any type

01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:13.840
of indication that say for example 100

01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.720
properties included that go to a panel

01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.079
whether that be

01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:21.359
pre-war era or whatever we're referring

01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:22.439
to here

01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:25.079
is there any type of indication as to

01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:27.399
what planning panels May cost given that

01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:30.520
many councils go through this process

01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:32.199
again I'll drag that question through to

01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:33.720
Mr Goodman

01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:36.479
uh three years the best case would be

01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:38.119
our recent work with the housing

01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:40.079
strategy where it was kind of similar in

01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:42.000
that there were a number of submissions

01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:44.439
we were legally represented

01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.640
we had a range of experts that assisted

01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:49.199
the council as well and for memory that

01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:50.800
process was a couple hundred thousand

01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:52.880
dollars I think we're still working out

01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.720
the final fees Council importantly also

01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:58.600
pays the administrative costs and the

01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.640
full costs of the panel hearing

01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:04.640
thank you Mr Goodman

01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:08.119
would it be reasonable to suggest uh in

01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.079
those types of panel hearings that

01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:12.479
include multiple properties that the

01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.279
cost doesn't really increase when a

01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:17.039
single property or two properties might

01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:19.960
be added to say a Heritage list of 100

01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:22.640
or 120 that the cost doesn't really

01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.640
change substantially

01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:28.239
I'll direct again that question through

01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:30.079
to you Mr Holman

01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:32.560
the the primary variable would be how

01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:34.600
contentious and how contested the extra

01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:36.479
properties

01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:40.119
um may be generally just as context

01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:42.000
in that situation the properties

01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:43.760
probably wouldn't be under imminent

01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.199
threat from Demolition the subject land

01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:48.000
is and that's the reason for the

01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:50.760
approach that the council the officers

01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:53.119
are suggesting Council take on this

01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:55.880
occasion thank you Mr Goodman

01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:57.760
with respect that wasn't necessarily

01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:58.960
what I asked

01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:01.319
um the final question is whether there

01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:03.479
is an indication from your experience

01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:06.239
and obviously the experience of other

01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:09.279
councils what the potential costs to

01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:11.680
residents are to go to panel and

01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:13.880
particularly those who may be contesting

01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:16.560
Heritage overlays

01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:18.239
again I'll drag that question through to

01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:20.520
you Mr Goodman

01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.119
now it would depend on how that

01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:24.239
individual chose to represent their

01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:25.199
position

01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:27.520
and what kind of resources that they

01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.000
sought some studies might seek legal

01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:31.600
representation some parties might

01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.399
represent themselves some might want

01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:38.640
Heritage advisors thank you Mr Goodman

01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.079
Council Oxley I'm just wondering whether

01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:43.359
there's a reason that given that these

01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:44.600
costs are

01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:46.479
widely known

01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:48.359
that we're choosing not to answer that

01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.479
Mr Mayor that's another question thank

01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:54.479
you councilor Oxley councilor Hua

01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:57.159
thanks Mr just a question uh there was a

01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:59.920
former Heritage studied and which didn't

01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.560
pick up this property I'm just wondering

01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.840
what's changed

01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:08.199
again I'll direct that through to you Mr

01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:10.600
Goodman

01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:13.319
uh thank you again through Mr Mayor 20

01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:15.239
years on the council form severe that

01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.600
this property is of significance 20

01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:19.319
years later and that will be the case

01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:20.600
from time to time that there'll be

01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:22.239
properties missed in earlier studies

01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:27.039
that become more significant over time

01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:30.279
Council Hill do you wish to close

01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.000
yes thank you Mr Mayor

01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:36.039
um look there's been a little bit of

01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:37.600
discussion just around the ACT I thought

01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:40.640
it might just be of interest and it sort

01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:44.319
of I guess clarifies in my mind anyway

01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:46.439
um you know the responsibilities on

01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:49.319
councils this is off

01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:51.159
planning.vic.gov.eu there's a local

01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:53.760
Heritage protection page

01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:55.600
um under the heading identifying locally

01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:58.079
significant Heritage places it says

01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.640
local councils are responsible for

01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:02.520
protecting places with local Heritage

01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:04.960
significance section 4 of the planning

01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:06.960
and environment act obliges councils to

01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:09.359
use their planning schemes to conserve

01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:11.399
and enhance buildings areas or other

01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:13.399
places of local Heritage significance

01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:16.319
most local Heritage places are

01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:17.920
identified through a Heritage study

01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.399
prepared by a Heritage consultant

01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:23.920
these places are then assessed to

01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:25.880
determine whether they are of local

01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.000
Heritage significance so just to be

01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:30.159
clear that's the process that we've gone

01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:31.079
through

01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.239
and as a result of that we have a

01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:36.159
recommendation in front of us which

01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.399
we're determining tonight

01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:42.960
there is a another section on the

01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:43.960
process

01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.399
for preparing Heritage study

01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:50.119
if I sort of go down it also talks to

01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:52.000
the statement of significance being a

01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:55.279
key part of a citation

01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:59.159
now for example in CML heritage

01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:01.760
heritage's Heritage citation on 86

01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.359
Mentone parade it states the subject

01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:06.560
house is an important example that

01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:08.279
clearly shows the two phases of

01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:10.880
development important to Mentone and is

01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.239
a relatively intact surviving example of

01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:15.560
illustrating the initial settlement and

01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:17.319
development of the suburb of Mentone in

01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:20.079
the 1880s the house is also notable for

01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:22.479
its direct association with Sir Matthew

01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.079
Henry Davies being his final residence

01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:28.520
from 1908 to 1912 popular

01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:31.600
popularly regarded as the founder of

01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.880
Mentone Davies had been involved in the

01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:35.399
initial subdivision and development of

01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:37.560
Mentone as well as the building building

01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:40.560
many early houses the subject house is

01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.479
the only surviving residence of Sir of

01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:46.479
Matthew Davies in Mentone

01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:47.600
um

01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:50.399
there's uh some other things that I've

01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:52.239
sort of pulled from that particular

01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:55.479
website including amending planning

01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.560
scheme and how going about requesting an

01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:00.800
interim Heritage overlay which we

01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.000
followed that process

01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:05.199
um exactly as laid out

01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:08.319
um so really that's for me that sort of

01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:12.359
makes it quite clear the process that we

01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:15.800
followed is is Justified I also wanted

01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:18.960
to note that um I understand that we

01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:21.039
would if this did go to panel we would

01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:23.600
almost certainly appoint our own expert

01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:25.840
that would assess the the property at

01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.720
the end of the day if the property is

01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.279
beyond repair

01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:32.319
um I'm sure that will be picked up and

01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.479
that will be reflected ultimately in the

01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:36.039
in the planning panel's recommendation

01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:39.560
so thank you thank you councilor Hill

01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:43.119
okay I'll put that item to the vote all

01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:46.039
those in favour

01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:49.680
all those against

01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:52.760
all those abstaining I declare that

01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:54.239
carried

01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:55.960
a division has been called which

01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:58.000
requires all those voting for the motion

01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:00.560
to please stand

01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:02.800
foreign

01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:06.479
Hill councilor Davies councilor Cochran

01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.800
councilor Beasley councilor Davey Burns

01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.159
councilorStaikos and myself

01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:15.560
all those voting against a please stand

01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:18.399
or raise your hands if you're online

01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:21.159
councilor Oxley councilor Hua councilor

01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.800
Eden and councilor Hal

01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.600
and I declare that carried

01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:35.520
we'll move on to item 8.3 the draft

01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.479
Kingston Green wedge management plan

01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:41.439
2023 for consultation councilor status

01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.600
I'll move it with the change to item

01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:46.600
three which is to change four weeks to

01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:49.680
six weeks thank you

01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:51.560
thank you councilor State cost 12

01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:54.039
seconds seconded councilor Davies thank

01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:57.720
you councilorStaikos thank you I'm

01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:01.079
pleased to be able to move this motion

01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:04.840
tonight to really

01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:10.600
try again and put out our 2023 Kingston

01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:12.800
Green Ranch Management plan for

01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.279
consultation

01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:18.560
um we did try to commence the process in

01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:21.399
2020 well not commence which we did put

01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:22.880
out our Kingston Green wage management

01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:25.840
plan in 2021 and we received a whole

01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:28.479
raft of community consultation feedback

01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:30.239
at that point

01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:31.600
um at the time we were waiting for the

01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:33.079
state government to release something

01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:35.800
called planning for

01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:40.000
Melbourne's agricultural land and green

01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:42.119
wedges but the government really never

01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:46.000
released those documents and because the

01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:47.520
government Never released those

01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:52.359
documents we have now got

01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:55.720
um really nothing to go with in terms of

01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:58.680
progression of the state government's

01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:02.079
policies in those areas so what council

01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:03.640
has decided to do and I think quite

01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:06.479
wisely is update the Kingston Greenwich

01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:08.680
management plan that that we had all you

01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:10.880
know almost had ready to go in 2021

01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:12.840
after that consultation

01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:15.159
taking into count everything that's

01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:17.840
happened in the past two years for

01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:21.319
example there has been a decision

01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:25.239
that 91 to 185 Kingston Road hetherton

01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:31.199
is going to be acquired by the srla

01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.079
for

01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:35.920
stabling yards along with another three

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:37.560
properties in that area

01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:41.279
the state government has acquired I

01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:45.039
think 85 hectares worth of land in the

01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.640
chain of parks really I think all of the

01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.039
land that should be acquired for the

01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:53.560
chain of parks now has been acquired for

01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:55.560
the chain of parks and it's either under

01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:57.359
the ownership of the city of Kingston

01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:02.079
Parks Victoria or Delp or whatever delps

01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:04.039
called these days

01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:07.119
we've now got really the dingley

01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.239
Recycled water scheme is no longer a

01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:11.680
concept it is a reality it's going ahead

01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:15.520
it's being built with the freeway is

01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:18.359
finished councils adopted a wayfinding

01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:20.199
strategy an urban cooling strategy a

01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:25.000
Serb an urban Forest strategy we've also

01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:26.840
included a statement of priorities for

01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:28.720
the green wedge in this this updated

01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:30.079
version

01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:34.840
we've also clarified our locations and

01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:38.479
uh you know further updated

01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.319
exact details about the shed user path

01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:44.680
or the the chain of parks Trail

01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:47.399
um and we've also you know made some

01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:50.840
important detail changes about the

01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.359
identification of place names and creeks

01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:57.000
and also another thing that's happened

01:25:57.079 --> 01:26:00.039
in the past two years is the Declaration

01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:03.279
of the bunarong land Council as the

01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:05.880
recognized Aboriginal party in this area

01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:08.760
which has been an important

01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:12.079
development which means we now have a

01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:14.720
partner to work with with a lot of this

01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:19.119
particularly history and Heritage in

01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:21.640
this area that predates

01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:25.239
Invasion and White Settlement what we do

01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:28.600
have as well is we've got edits to the

01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:30.760
maps that correctly display current

01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:34.479
Wetlands ecological sites and endangered

01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:36.439
EVC sites

01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:40.479
we've also got important updates that

01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:42.560
are looking at solar and energy park

01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:45.359
locations

01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.760
um so there's there's really been a real

01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:50.680
huge amount of work done I need to

01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:54.479
commend the officers in particular Rita

01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:57.279
Rita Axel's just done a mountain of work

01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.760
on this so is Paul Marsden I know that

01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.159
the whole team's been powering through

01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:05.039
all of this and

01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:08.960
um look I am concerned about

01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:11.680
I will have a little slide extension

01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.960
please Mr Mayor I can grant two minutes

01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:15.800
extensions thank you

01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.279
um look a four weeks a four-week

01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:20.760
consultation was originally proposed um

01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:22.119
because we did want to try to get this

01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:24.560
wrapped up in 2023

01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:25.640
um we didn't want to drag it out until

01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.039
2024 we do have power planning scheme

01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:30.880
amendments that are going to come out of

01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.039
this because if we don't get these

01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:35.600
planning scheme amendments done as soon

01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:39.800
as possible we remain vulnerable to

01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:44.079
issues such as waste transfer stations

01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:48.800
and other sort of non-compliant uses

01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:51.640
that are permitted in green wedge zones

01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:53.319
that are not permitted in Greenwich a

01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:55.840
Zone and the sooner we can Implement

01:27:55.920 --> 01:27:58.359
green wedge a-zone south of Kingston

01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.880
Heatherton Road the better off will be

01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.479
because that as we've seen north of

01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.920
Kingston Heatherton Road once we've

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.800
implemented the green wedge a-zone there

01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:11.319
has been a complete change in the land

01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:14.399
use in that area and it's just been

01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:16.000
transformational for Kingston's green

01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:19.600
wedge so we need we need to get this

01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:23.319
plan out consulted on back and hopefully

01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:26.600
depending on the consultation adopted so

01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:28.920
that our officers can get working on a

01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:30.159
planning scheme Amendment we need

01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.439
another panel we need to send another

01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:34.319
request to the minister for another

01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:36.880
amendment for the green wedge and I know

01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:38.560
that I've spoken for longer than I

01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:40.239
should have but this is something that

01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:42.760
I've been working on since literally

01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:44.800
since I got onto Council since our first

01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.039
green wedge plan was considered and

01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:50.560
adopted in 2012. this is what being

01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:52.600
long-term is all about

01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:54.039
long term

01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:58.199
Visionary not thinking about today and

01:28:58.279 --> 01:28:59.880
thinking about you know what you can do

01:28:59.960 --> 01:29:01.840
just for now but thinking about what you

01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:04.359
can do over the four terms of a council

01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:08.119
and delivering to improve Council and

01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:11.079
improve planning and improve issues over

01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:13.920
the long term and I believe that once

01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:16.119
this once this Kingston Greenwich

01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:19.319
management plan is finalized it will do

01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:21.840
that again for the next 10 years

01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:25.640
thank you councilors take us

01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.800
councilor Davies

01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:30.279
did you talk very long because Council

01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:31.560
stakeholders pretty much said everything

01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:33.279
that needs to be said

01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:36.359
um I do just want to acknowledge all the

01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:37.960
officers who did work on it that have

01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:39.279
been mentioned and obviously of course

01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:42.159
with Jonathan Goodman as well this is a

01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.119
really incredible incredibly important

01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:46.359
management plan and it really is a Pity

01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:47.680
that

01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:49.960
um in us trying to work with the

01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:51.479
government and get their feedback it

01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:53.560
ended up being delayed because they

01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:54.880
really unfortunately didn't come to the

01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:56.920
party when they should have but we are

01:29:57.000 --> 01:29:59.439
still going to push forward we were

01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:00.880
requested by a resident to give

01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:03.079
consideration to six weeks which is why

01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:05.880
we did put that amendment in but this

01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:07.720
there are not a lot of substantial

01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:09.960
changes to this

01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:11.039
um draft that will go out to

01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:12.840
consultation so hopefully everyone will

01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.079
have an opportunity at it we will be

01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:16.840
getting a community focused group back

01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:19.840
together to get their input as well

01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:22.960
um I hope I've not missed misnamed them

01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:25.439
but um the the group that consulted on

01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.760
it last time let's just put it that way

01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.159
um and look I do um commend this to my

01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:31.720
fellow councilors it's an incredibly

01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:33.279
important plan and it's time we actually

01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:35.880
get moving on it thank you thank you

01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:38.800
councilor Davies

01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:42.960
to any other councils wish to speak to

01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:45.000
this Council Davey Burns thank you very

01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:46.840
much and I think um council at stakehoss

01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:49.439
and councilor Dave both spoken about the

01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:51.960
importance of this particular plan and

01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.279
the consultation I just wanted to also

01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:56.199
lend my support to say that I am really

01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:58.039
comfortable with where this has reached

01:30:58.119 --> 01:31:00.640
and really I recognize also the

01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:01.800
significant work that has been

01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:04.840
undertaken we as outlined in this plan

01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:07.119
have made considerable progress on a

01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:08.279
number of actions including the

01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:11.439
rehabilitation of landfills and this

01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:12.840
plan also outlines things that we're

01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:15.239
wanting to see in relation to having a

01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:17.199
canopy of climate resilience species

01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:19.439
water security and paths that link

01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:20.920
throughout our Greenwich so that it can

01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:24.239
be enjoyed it's over 2000 hectares and

01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:25.960
this is the middle ring of Melbourne and

01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:27.640
I think it's really important that we

01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:29.439
protect and continue to care for this

01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:31.800
space for generations to come as Council

01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.479
as decos mentioned thank you

01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:36.840
councilor Davey Burns

01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:38.600
to any other councilors wish to speak to

01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:40.880
this

01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:46.239
Council stakeholders to close thank you

01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:49.000
we'll put this to the vote all those in

01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:51.279
favour

01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:54.359
all those and yeah thank you I declare

01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:57.000
that carried

01:31:57.079 --> 01:31:58.600
unanimous

01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:01.359
can we just let the minutes reflect that

01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:04.600
that was carried unanimously

01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:09.880
we'll move on to item 8.4 the Morty Alec

01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:11.560
and aspendale level crossing removal

01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:13.920
project Urban Design framework design

01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:17.960
response a lot of designs

01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:22.560
councils I'm looking for a motion

01:32:22.640 --> 01:32:25.760
cancel the cookware

01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:30.279
just alternative motion

01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:32.319
yeah

01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:33.560
so

01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:35.399
just the emotion that appears on the

01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:37.840
screen okay

01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.399
and seconded councilor

01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:42.960
bearsly sorry

01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:46.039
councilor Cochrane

01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:48.560
thank you Mr Marin

01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:49.359
um

01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:51.840
yeah this is this has been uh I wouldn't

01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:54.279
say as controversial as

01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:56.319
some other level crossing projects but

01:32:56.399 --> 01:32:58.359
still generated a huge amount of

01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:00.039
community interest

01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:05.319
as seen in I think 100 855 uh pieces of

01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:06.840
community feedback in New York Kingston

01:33:06.920 --> 01:33:08.840
your say and there's also a number of

01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:11.760
businesses uh significant businesses in

01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:13.199
mordialloc that have also had their

01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:15.359
input which is why you see some

01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:17.800
changes there

01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:20.000
um

01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:23.520
we've spoken to the community and we've

01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:25.199
put together this urban Urban Design

01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:27.279
framework which really speaks to what

01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:28.319
the community

01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:30.880
sentiment has been and we've also worked

01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.880
with some Consultants to come up with

01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:36.079
this uh document and I think it's really

01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:40.199
important that once this goes out that

01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:42.520
key stakeholders in the project really

01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:45.840
listen to what the community is after

01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:48.359
we see there's not that many houses that

01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:50.920
are but this rail Corridor it's a lot of

01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:52.560
businesses so it's

01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:57.000
extremely to me I feel it's um it's

01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.279
extremely significant to get that amount

01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:01.720
of community consultation when you don't

01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:03.720
have direct households necessarily

01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:05.079
impacted you're just hearing from

01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:07.840
residents who love the area so I think

01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:09.960
it is really really important we get it

01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:12.520
right and yeah I look forward to it

01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:14.000
going out thank you

01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:16.720
thank you councilor Cochrane councilor

01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:18.560
bearsley

01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:21.079
thank you Mr Mayor and this has actually

01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:23.800
been a fairly fast pace because we do

01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:27.520
need to get this in front of the lxrp so

01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:29.920
we do appreciate all the feedback that

01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:32.920
we've got to date when people have seen

01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:36.079
what's appeared in our Council agenda so

01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:38.319
we do appreciate that we've got to get

01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:40.319
it through to the lxrp we can still

01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:43.079
continue to feed them ideas that come up

01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:45.640
with residents who talk about things

01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:48.880
I've had a few residents call me today

01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:50.600
um interested in in what we're

01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:53.279
presenting it really does need to go

01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:56.119
through so the lxrp can see what our

01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:58.720
main key talking points are the ones

01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.199
that our residents would really like to

01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:05.199
see in the in the design so that we we

01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:07.479
have a seat of that table they've

01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:09.359
invited us we're sitting there we really

01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:11.880
want to make a difference so that we can

01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:13.479
make some really good

01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:14.800
um does have some really good design

01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.800
outcomes for both mordialloc and

01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:19.000
aspendale they're

01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:23.279
key areas within our Southern Ward so I

01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:26.079
really appreciate that we've put the

01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:28.239
time and energy we could have just let

01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:30.479
them do this this kind of thing it's

01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:33.520
really important that we have um we've

01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:35.279
been able to go out and get expert

01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:36.359
advice

01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:37.800
um have people

01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:41.680
um really research the area and work

01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:44.560
with us to provide what's in front of us

01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:46.359
tonight so

01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:48.359
um yeah I support what we've done and

01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:50.520
also support the changes that we've made

01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:54.399
we'll continue to consult with both the

01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.840
lxrp and our residents this is a a

01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:01.479
dynamic project that we that we will

01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:02.479
continue

01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:06.359
to work with with all all those parties

01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:09.239
involved and our Traders particularly

01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:13.359
and our landowners who are but this

01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:16.439
Precinct so I'm very happy to put this

01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:19.199
forward for adoption thank you

01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:21.880
thank you councilor besley do any other

01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:24.399
councilors wish to speak to this

01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:28.640
councilorStaikos yeah thank you

01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:29.920
um I just want you to acknowledge

01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:34.079
quickly and thank councilor

01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.920
Cochrane for getting together all of the

01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:39.239
Amendments

01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:41.119
um because that was a bit of a power of

01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:42.840
work this afternoon

01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:45.439
given that we all had a bite

01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:48.159
including me

01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:52.119
um so item 2.2 really responds to some

01:36:52.199 --> 01:36:54.640
concerns that have been raised by some

01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:57.720
residents including Nina Earl who wrote

01:36:57.800 --> 01:36:59.439
to us all

01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.800
um today at five o'clock and I just

01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:05.039
wanted to draw councilor's attention to

01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:06.479
a couple of the points that she raised

01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:09.479
including the fact that she has

01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:13.760
acknowledged all of our officers

01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:16.239
for the huge effort and the power of

01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:18.039
work that they've undertaken to put

01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:18.920
together

01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:24.000
such a comprehensive report but secondly

01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:27.000
she also raised that she wanted to raise

01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:29.399
our consider for our consideration this

01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:30.239
evening

01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:33.239
one protection of the coastal banksia

01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:36.279
Woodland at Groves Reserve should the

01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:38.920
lxr require it

01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:41.439
um and that's really where I've proposed

01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:44.520
that the crossing

01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.359
um if it's moved

01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.359
um where it currently is a station

01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:50.880
um Street

01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:52.640
um outside the front of mortiellite

01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:53.920
College or just a bit North Memorial

01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:56.920
College with in our current proposed

01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:58.600
plan we're saying it should be at Pine

01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:00.960
Crescent and I'm asking for the words to

01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:03.359
read as far south as possible in order

01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:06.520
to minimize vegetation loss really goes

01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:08.000
to the point

01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:12.560
where it needs to be as not not really

01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:16.119
going to Groves Reserve I did speak to

01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:19.439
officers about the practicalities of a

01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:22.239
road bridge and I might ask the officers

01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.119
through you Mr Mayor if they can respond

01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:26.920
to the questions that I asked earlier

01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:29.359
about whether or not the engineering

01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:31.640
would allow that to be practically

01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:37.039
delivered a road bridge over the rail at

01:38:37.119 --> 01:38:39.039
that location and whether asking for

01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:41.279
that would be practical thank you

01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:42.560
councilor status I'll direct that

01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:44.760
question through to Mr Goodman

01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:47.760
three Mr Man to council's take us I

01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:49.319
think this touched a little bit on a

01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:51.760
question by Ms West earlier tonight that

01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:53.439
I responded to that perhaps to give you

01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:56.199
a bit more context the dilemma with a

01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:59.319
road bridge as we see it and it really

01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:02.880
as as we see it at this stage to achieve

01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:05.319
a road bridge and get the cars elevated

01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:07.600
up essentially above the railway line

01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:09.039
would require

01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:11.359
probably a prolonged

01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:15.560
ramp up along the Inland side of the

01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.000
Nepean Highway along the Station Road

01:39:18.079 --> 01:39:19.840
alignment on the side of Attenborough

01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:20.800
Park

01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:23.319
and then a prolonged ramp on the other

01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:25.640
side of the rail Corridor if the grades

01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:26.520
were

01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:28.640
even possible and you need to keep in

01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:30.000
mind that they would need to accommodate

01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:32.680
heavy vehicles and other traffic Beyond

01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:36.640
cars so our preliminarian it is very

01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:38.399
preliminary view would be that the

01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:41.039
amount of engineered structure to

01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:43.319
construct that bridge would provide a

01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:47.399
much more extensive amount of man-made

01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:49.640
infrastructure and would take away or

01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:51.399
person-made infrastructure sorry and

01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:54.359
would take away from

01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:57.520
the environmental qualities of aspendale

01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:00.560
of Edinburgh Park sorry end of gross

01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:03.479
reserve and for that reason again it's a

01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:06.479
very preliminary view the

01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:07.039
um

01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:10.920
idea of building a a road above the

01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:14.079
railway line we feel we'd be a less

01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:16.960
desirable Urban Design Land or landscape

01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:20.319
or environmental outcome thank you

01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:23.039
thank you Mr Goodman thank you I also

01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:25.199
wanted to acknowledge

01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:28.359
um Nina Earl's Point into her email to

01:40:28.439 --> 01:40:31.199
us that her desire to see that the

01:40:31.279 --> 01:40:34.079
Creekside remains largely natural

01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:37.840
which also would be badly impacted by a

01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:41.760
a road bridge and a road over rail

01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:45.239
solution at that location so I just

01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:49.119
wanted to um to make those points I hope

01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:53.880
that 2.2 which does try to achieve a

01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:57.359
southern a more southerly Crossing would

01:40:57.439 --> 01:41:00.760
achieve the outcome hopefully I'll use

01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:04.000
my last 20 seconds to make this point we

01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:07.239
do go to this consultation with the best

01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:10.560
of intentions we do hope that the lxrp

01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:13.239
come to this with an open heart and an

01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:15.840
open mind and we do hope that they will

01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.600
take note of the helpful and positive

01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:21.640
suggestions that Council and the

01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:23.199
community are making in this

01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:25.960
consultation

01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:28.600
thank you councilor State Goss

01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:31.439
councilor Davies

01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:33.159
thank you Mr Mayor I'm actually going to

01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:35.319
pick up on some other comments of Nina

01:41:35.399 --> 01:41:37.439
Earl which was point four of her email

01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:40.039
Reta retaining the two roundabouts on

01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:42.399
Main Street mordialloc they book in

01:41:42.479 --> 01:41:44.680
mordialloc village and Signal arrival

01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:47.039
and departure and are integral to the

01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:49.319
early Heritage character of Main Street

01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:51.720
the roundabouts can be made safe by

01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:54.279
signalizing them a generic signalized

01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:55.640
intersection would undermine the

01:41:55.720 --> 01:41:57.560
historic village character now I

01:41:57.640 --> 01:41:59.800
understand from talking to councilor

01:41:59.880 --> 01:42:01.800
Hill tonight that there are different

01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:05.039
forms of roundabouts such as the Dutch

01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:07.359
roundabout I don't think we should give

01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:09.359
up not just Nino but a number of other

01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:11.399
residents have contacted me saying that

01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:13.479
they absolutely do not want to see a

01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:15.279
repeat of Mentone happening down in

01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:18.000
mordialloc you don't need excessive

01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:20.560
lights it is the sky rail that's being

01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:22.600
implemented not a change in our road I

01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:24.840
do recognize that bear street is being

01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:26.439
closed which I think is a massive

01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.359
mistake and it's a Pity that the

01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:30.640
community hasn't been heard on that but

01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:32.920
I do think we need to look at the data

01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:34.600
if we are going to get rid of our

01:42:34.680 --> 01:42:36.760
roundabouts we want to make sure we've

01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:39.640
actually got data which says we need to

01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:41.680
and we need to look at how we're going

01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:44.119
to implement it I personally based on

01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:46.199
what I've seen today I'm not in favour of

01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:49.199
getting rid of the roundabouts thank you

01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:52.600
thank you councilor Davies

01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:55.600
councilor Hill

01:42:57.239 --> 01:42:59.119
yeah thank you Mr Mayor

01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:03.000
um look it I think we've our officers

01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:05.680
have pulled together a you know a lot of

01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:08.039
great work in a very very short space of

01:43:08.119 --> 01:43:10.039
time given that we're working to a

01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:14.039
September deadline here you know

01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:16.439
uh certainly including two you know the

01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:18.760
consultation that we've that we've uh

01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:20.800
quickly under undertaken and we've had a

01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:22.479
you know a hell of a lot of responses to

01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:23.680
that

01:43:23.760 --> 01:43:25.840
um what we're seeing really is you know

01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:28.439
just very much the conceptual stage with

01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:30.960
sort of those big ideas as to what we're

01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:33.239
looking to incorporate

01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:35.439
um you know this will no doubt evolve

01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:37.600
this is the start the very very start of

01:43:37.680 --> 01:43:40.199
the process not the end by any means

01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:42.760
um I did also want to thank

01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:44.880
um all of the residents who have been in

01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:47.800
touch with us uh like us you've had very

01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:50.039
little time to get your thoughts

01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:50.840
together

01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:53.319
and the fact that we've received some

01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:56.560
pretty detailed uh questions suggestions

01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:59.199
in this very short space of time since

01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:01.199
it I think this report probably went up

01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:04.119
online on maybe Thursday or Friday so

01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:07.520
the fact that we've had that feedback

01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:10.640
um again you know credit to councilor

01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:12.359
Cochrane that he's managed to get

01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:14.520
everybody's ideas together so quick play

01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:18.840
and capture I think those key items that

01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:22.039
were presented to us I think what we're

01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:24.960
voting on now is is much better for it

01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:28.520
and um you know as I say these things

01:44:28.600 --> 01:44:31.199
can now be taken into consideration for

01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:32.560
what will be a report that will

01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:35.760
ultimately be presented to us but

01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:38.479
hopefully that means that what we're

01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:42.079
putting forward to Alex RP as our our

01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:43.640
community's ideas will be more

01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:45.359
reflective of our community so I think

01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:47.520
that's a very good thing thank you thank

01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:50.359
you councilor Hill

01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:53.680
do any other councilors wish to speak to

01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.079
this

01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:59.039
I might make some comments and then ask

01:44:59.119 --> 01:45:01.439
Council Cochrane to close

01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:05.680
um firstly I'd just like to thank all

01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:08.279
the councils involved in putting this

01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:09.880
look it looks a little bit like a

01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:12.239
Frankenstein kind of piece of writing

01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:14.720
together but it's a really good piece of

01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:16.800
motions that's really representative of

01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:19.119
our community it's no secret that we've

01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:21.880
got a whole slew of level crossings that

01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:24.000
are going to be happening across our

01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:26.680
city and this one being probably one of

01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:29.079
the most prominent in that it is

01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:31.479
essentially the jewel in the crown of

01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:34.239
the Bayside belt between Saint Kilda and

01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:35.800
Warrington Peninsula and lives in really

01:45:35.880 --> 01:45:38.039
in the heart of our city and is a really

01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:40.600
big economic driver for our city in

01:45:40.680 --> 01:45:42.760
terms of the hospitality businesses in

01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:45.279
the area I'd like to acknowledge as well

01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:48.000
the modelic Traders Association who have

01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:49.720
been really active supporters actually

01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:51.520
of the work that council is doing in

01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:54.760
this space have been able to get the

01:45:54.840 --> 01:45:57.039
businesses to be on board with the the

01:45:57.119 --> 01:45:59.800
pace at which we are moving given it is

01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:01.720
a really transfer formative piece of

01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:03.239
work that will affect their businesses

01:46:03.319 --> 01:46:05.560
for a good 12 to 18 months while it

01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:08.079
undergoes development but the fact that

01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:09.359
they've been so supportive and

01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:10.720
understand that the outcome at the end

01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:11.880
of this is going to be really

01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:13.359
transformational for their businesses

01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:16.800
and for our area is to be commended I

01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:18.840
did also want to acknowledge a few

01:46:18.920 --> 01:46:20.880
people specifically Gary Scott from the

01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:23.680
business Echo Dev team who has done a

01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:25.239
fantastic job in Consulting with the

01:46:25.319 --> 01:46:26.439
businesses to be able to bring them

01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:28.520
along the journey in this space

01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:31.199
Also to acknowledge the urban designers

01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:32.920
and City strategists and our team Tara

01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:35.880
Bell Haren David Mason who have done

01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:37.399
fantastic jobs

01:46:37.479 --> 01:46:40.520
comms teams and other support teams Alex

01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:42.840
Reid from our transport team Shel devony

01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:45.359
Julian birthwell Emily Boucher Bridget

01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:47.880
Draper who have done fantastic jobs in

01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:49.439
getting our community across this

01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:51.880
project and I specifically wanted to do

01:46:51.960 --> 01:46:53.800
that because I think it's really good to

01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:55.520
acknowledge the fact that we have had

01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:57.760
such a large uptake of community

01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.039
consultation and Community engagement on

01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:02.079
this project to the point that we have

01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:05.119
actually received more feedback than the

01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:06.359
level crossing removal project

01:47:06.439 --> 01:47:08.800
themselves have actually received which

01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:10.199
might they might not be happy with me

01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:12.279
publicly saying that now

01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:13.800
um but I think it is actually to be

01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:15.520
commended that we've actually become a

01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:18.960
trusted Source in our community in

01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:21.159
information sharing in delivering these

01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:23.439
types of design outcomes and in

01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.319
advocating for them for better outcomes

01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.520
for our city and for our community and

01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:29.760
for our businesses I just think it's

01:47:29.840 --> 01:47:31.119
really important that we do acknowledge

01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:33.760
all their efforts but also acknowledge

01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:36.880
that it probably speaks volumes of the

01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:39.079
level of community engagement we've been

01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:40.800
able to achieve in Council and you'll

01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:42.159
see in a few of the other documents and

01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:43.439
other items that are being considered

01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:45.960
tonight pretty record high numbers that

01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:47.319
you wouldn't ordinarily see in other

01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:49.359
local government areas in our community

01:47:49.439 --> 01:47:51.560
I think is really responsive to what

01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:53.600
we're putting out there I did want to

01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:55.720
also acknowledge that this particular

01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:58.119
motion has been framed and put together

01:47:58.199 --> 01:48:00.159
and changed with a whole slew of

01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:02.000
feedback from my community

01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:04.600
it has happened at a really rapid Pace

01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:06.039
but that's because we're having to keep

01:48:06.119 --> 01:48:08.199
up with the pace at which the modiac

01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:09.880
global Crossing removal is actually

01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:12.399
happening and I think we've been doing

01:48:12.479 --> 01:48:14.560
that at the best best way that we

01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:16.840
possibly can given the circumstances so

01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:18.279
I just wanted to commend this motion and

01:48:18.359 --> 01:48:19.359
commend the groups that have engaged

01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:21.479
with Council thus far

01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:24.479
Council Cochrane do you wish to close

01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:27.000
thank you Mr Mayor I'll be uh nice and

01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:28.960
brief but I did want to uh say thank you

01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:30.760
for acknowledging mordiola because the

01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:33.520
the crown I think he's the the jewels in

01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:35.199
um I'm I'm deeply passionate about

01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:37.119
morning Alec I'm deeply passionate about

01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:39.880
all of Kingston and there's all of the

01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:41.399
other councilors have mentioned this has

01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:42.960
moved to the rapid rate and there's been

01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:45.239
a few points added just in the the last

01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:47.520
of the 20 30 40 minutes but that's

01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:49.640
because it is moving so fast and we're

01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:51.279
hearing from so many different members

01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:52.920
of the community in so many different

01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:55.640
stakeholders and some of those points

01:48:55.720 --> 01:48:57.520
speak to a few of the uncertainties that

01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.359
we still have around uh traffic flow and

01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:02.560
whatnot because I have a suspicion that

01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:04.479
there's probably not going to be a great

01:49:04.560 --> 01:49:07.000
outcome there considering we're closing

01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:08.880
their street

01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:11.039
um love it or hate it that just seems to

01:49:11.119 --> 01:49:15.359
be uh a certainty from all reports so

01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:17.319
um yeah I look forward to all of the

01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:18.840
other councils as we've heard tonight

01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:20.560
supporting this and and moving forward

01:49:20.640 --> 01:49:23.279
and advocating for the community for the

01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:25.640
Traders and for the residents thank you

01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:26.880
Mr Men

01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:29.520
thank you councilor Cochran I put that

01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:33.399
to the vote all those in favour

01:49:33.479 --> 01:49:36.800
all those against

01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:41.079
I declare that carried

01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:50.199
we'll move on to item 9.3 Community

01:49:50.279 --> 01:49:53.199
grants review proposed Community grants

01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:54.560
model

01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:58.760
councilors I'm looking for a motion

01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:02.079
councilor Davey Burns

01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:05.119
thank you uh Mass our purpose have the

01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:06.760
alternative motion displayed on the

01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:09.319
screen please

01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:15.560
is that the correct motion

01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:26.800
thank you I'd like to move them is on

01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:28.640
the screen thank you councilor Dave

01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:31.800
Burns seconded councilor Oxley

01:50:31.880 --> 01:50:34.039
councilor Davey Burns

01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:36.359
thank you and thank you Council Oxley

01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:38.920
for your support on this motion and also

01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:39.960
for the questions that you've been

01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:42.159
engaging with in relation to our

01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:44.439
community grants model this is a really

01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:46.359
important part of the work that we

01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:47.479
deliver

01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:50.880
as Council but in particular I think

01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:53.760
there is a strong expectation by our

01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:56.680
community that councilors are involved

01:50:56.760 --> 01:50:59.560
in the decision making around the

01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:01.640
awarding of these grants now this

01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:03.560
particular motion tonight really is just

01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:07.479
asking that the option two that was

01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:09.039
presented in the report if people would

01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:11.720
like to have a look at the report online

01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:14.319
are able to see that there were two

01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:15.800
options put forward

01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:18.880
one was recommended by our officers the

01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.279
second one really is what is sort of

01:51:21.359 --> 01:51:22.800
generated the second option is what has

01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:24.239
generated this motion on the screen

01:51:24.319 --> 01:51:25.439
tonight

01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:28.960
this will enable Community to have their

01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:31.000
feet have their say and give feedback on

01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:34.119
this particular program

01:51:34.199 --> 01:51:37.119
and in particular have this

01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:40.239
point around councilors being able to

01:51:40.319 --> 01:51:42.560
endorse and not just delegate Community

01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:46.800
grants as they come to council thank you

01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:48.720
thank you councilor Davey Burns

01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.720
councilor Oxley

01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:58.000
I think

01:51:58.079 --> 01:51:59.520
I think for those grants to come to

01:51:59.600 --> 01:52:02.119
council for endorsement of course we do

01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:03.840
obviously listen to the recommendations

01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:06.279
of the panels and anyone who is making

01:52:06.359 --> 01:52:08.119
those recommendations in regards to

01:52:08.199 --> 01:52:10.600
Grants but I do think it is very

01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:12.159
important that that decision does rest

01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:15.359
with Council it is ultimately just under

01:52:15.439 --> 01:52:17.760
1.8 million dollars worth of money

01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:19.600
and that's 1.8 million dollars of

01:52:19.680 --> 01:52:22.319
ratepayers funds that we are expending

01:52:22.399 --> 01:52:24.479
in community grants I think that's a

01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:26.439
fantastic thing in giving that money

01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:28.600
back into the community but I do think

01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:30.760
that it is very very important that that

01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:32.800
decision still does rest with Council

01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:35.520
given the significant amount of money I

01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:37.079
do just want to make it clear

01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:39.640
and this has been I suppose the subject

01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:43.640
of the debate back and forth prior to

01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.199
this meeting in terms of 5.4 under the

01:52:46.279 --> 01:52:48.960
risk considerations where the proposed

01:52:49.039 --> 01:52:51.119
model that was recommended by officers

01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:54.039
was listed in the report as being in

01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:57.079
line with the recommendations from Vargo

01:52:57.159 --> 01:52:59.399
I don't believe that is the case and I

01:52:59.479 --> 01:53:02.039
think going back and forth what has

01:53:02.119 --> 01:53:03.279
actually come out is that the Virgo

01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:04.920
report made those 10 recommendations

01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:07.119
that are listed in the report and

01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:08.439
nowhere does it state that that should

01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:10.000
be removed from councilors and that

01:53:10.079 --> 01:53:11.600
decision-making power should be removed

01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:13.319
from councilors

01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:14.760
um so I would just like to make it clear

01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:16.439
I think all councils around this table

01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:19.199
take their decision making very

01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:21.880
seriously take their decision making in

01:53:21.960 --> 01:53:24.159
regards to Grants very seriously and

01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:25.640
take their responsibilities in regards

01:53:25.720 --> 01:53:27.159
to managing that fraud and Corruption

01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:29.439
risk very seriously as a member of the

01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:31.000
audit committee that is something that

01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:33.720
for many years we've reviewed and I

01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:35.439
think there are some fantastic changes

01:53:35.520 --> 01:53:37.920
that have been made in the model coming

01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:40.319
forward to really address those concerns

01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:43.199
but one of those certainly is not taking

01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:44.920
that decision-making power away from

01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:48.039
Council as the final decision maker so I

01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:49.479
would very much support what's been put

01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:51.000
forward by councilor Davey Burns this

01:53:51.079 --> 01:53:52.720
evening but did just want to make that

01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:56.520
very clear Mr Mayor thank you thank you

01:53:56.600 --> 01:53:58.000
councilor Oxley

01:53:58.079 --> 01:53:59.800
do any other councilors wish to speak to

01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:02.319
this item

01:54:02.399 --> 01:54:04.520
councilor Hill

01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:07.520
thank you Mr Mayor um no and thank you

01:54:07.600 --> 01:54:10.600
to uh Council Davey Burns and councilor

01:54:10.680 --> 01:54:14.039
Oxley for this alternate motion

01:54:14.119 --> 01:54:15.840
um I just wanted to speak to something

01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:18.640
different which is just to clarify that

01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:23.800
this is a real significant change to the

01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:26.800
way that we do our community grants

01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:29.560
um but in no way are we proposing any

01:54:29.640 --> 01:54:33.239
less funding through our Pro program

01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:36.520
um so just in case that was maybe not

01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:39.560
fully understood the 1.8 million will

01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:43.600
stay exactly as as it is proposed but

01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:46.479
what our officers advice is that by

01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:47.439
going

01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:51.319
using a different model of of

01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:54.760
uh Distributing the grants it will

01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:58.359
enable us to better I guess decide who

01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:00.359
are the most were the recipients of the

01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:03.000
grants based on the the community needs

01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:05.680
so I think the Crux of what we're

01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:08.199
talking to you know we can talk about

01:55:08.279 --> 01:55:10.239
decision making

01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:12.960
um I think is a is very much a you know

01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:15.079
an important discussion Point as well

01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:17.520
but if we go to the actual process of

01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:20.560
how the grants are landed upon and where

01:55:20.640 --> 01:55:22.760
we distribute that 1.8 million dollars

01:55:22.840 --> 01:55:25.319
uh I've Got Confidence in what's been

01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:27.279
presented to us that this will be a

01:55:27.359 --> 01:55:31.119
really uh you know good newer way of

01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:33.239
doing that a fairer way of doing that

01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:36.560
and um ultimately this uh you know well

01:55:36.640 --> 01:55:38.760
I guess we'll hear from our community

01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:41.079
Through consultation what what their

01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:43.359
what their feelings are but I think this

01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:45.000
is a very positive way moving forward

01:55:45.079 --> 01:55:47.119
and anyway thank you

01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:50.640
thank you councilor Hill

01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:53.439
to any other councilors wish to speak to

01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:54.159
this

01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:56.199
councilor Eden

01:55:56.279 --> 01:55:58.199
uh yes thank you Mr Mayor and I think

01:55:58.279 --> 01:56:00.840
one of the key points coming out of this

01:56:00.920 --> 01:56:02.760
is just to remind the community that

01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:05.199
there are a substantial number of grants

01:56:05.279 --> 01:56:07.439
that are actually available to many of

01:56:07.520 --> 01:56:09.359
the important Community groups and

01:56:09.439 --> 01:56:13.000
initiatives within our community and by

01:56:13.079 --> 01:56:15.359
making sure that every sporting group

01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:17.560
and every community group and every

01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:20.600
charitable organization that is eligible

01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:22.840
does in fact apply and put their case

01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:24.960
forward I think will always result in a

01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:28.119
better more competitive process to make

01:56:28.199 --> 01:56:29.800
sure that the funds are going to those

01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:32.520
people that are most in need and that

01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:34.239
can deliver the most benefit to our

01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:37.479
local community because we have seen

01:56:37.560 --> 01:56:40.720
over the years when Grant streams aren't

01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:42.640
something that the community is made

01:56:42.720 --> 01:56:44.600
aware of we either don't actually

01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:48.279
fulfill the quotas that are there or

01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:50.079
some groups end up with a substantial

01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:52.319
amount of money going to them simply

01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:55.039
because there's a lack of Interest or

01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:57.399
engagement in the grant processes so I

01:56:57.479 --> 01:56:58.800
think one of the best ways to actually

01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:01.000
see improve transparency

01:57:01.079 --> 01:57:03.840
and engagement is to make sure that our

01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:05.560
Communications going out to the

01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:08.079
community are effective uh they're

01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:11.600
widely communicated so it's not just the

01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:14.439
same organizations that apply every year

01:57:14.520 --> 01:57:16.800
but it's almost every organization

01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:19.359
within our community being made aware of

01:57:19.439 --> 01:57:22.600
it that I think will ensure a greater

01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:25.600
competitive process to access rate

01:57:25.680 --> 01:57:28.319
payers funds to support the festivals

01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:31.119
the events uh the grants the Investments

01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:32.920
That these organizations get involved

01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:35.279
into or the charitable work uh that they

01:57:35.359 --> 01:57:37.199
are engaged in day to day

01:57:37.279 --> 01:57:39.840
and ensuring I think fundamentally that

01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:42.079
there is a separation of power between

01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:44.279
those who assess the grants and those

01:57:44.359 --> 01:57:46.119
who ultimately approve the

01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:47.560
recommendations I think is just a

01:57:47.640 --> 01:57:50.439
fundamental expectation of our community

01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:53.520
you don't I think in any other area of

01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:55.920
government typically encourage

01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:58.800
centralization of power so I think with

01:57:58.880 --> 01:58:01.800
this alternate proposal that was put

01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:03.640
forward tonight by councilor Davey Burns

01:58:03.720 --> 01:58:06.239
and councilor Oxley we are very much in

01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:07.479
line with what the community would

01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:09.960
expect and that is for the elected

01:58:10.039 --> 01:58:11.880
officials of this organization to be

01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:15.079
involved in uh the process and to be

01:58:15.159 --> 01:58:17.920
doing their job and that is to review uh

01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.560
to critique and to ensure that what is

01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:22.920
being put forward and expenditure of

01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:26.079
rate payer funds uh is being accredited

01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:27.760
in a responsible manner so I would

01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.960
strongly urge everyone who's listening

01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:33.720
to this meeting tonight to look at the

01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:36.239
grant processes that Council has to

01:58:36.319 --> 01:58:38.199
communicate to all the organizations and

01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:40.279
groups that you know about how to apply

01:58:40.359 --> 01:58:43.319
and to ensure that when these reports do

01:58:43.399 --> 01:58:45.159
come forward and council do consider

01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:48.279
them that you do engage in that process

01:58:48.359 --> 01:58:50.199
you see where the money's going you see

01:58:50.279 --> 01:58:51.760
who's benefiting and you see how those

01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:54.359
groups are quit their um expenditure of

01:58:54.439 --> 01:58:55.520
the funds and the grants that they get

01:58:55.600 --> 01:58:58.520
as well to really see end to end how the

01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:00.640
process works and if you have questions

01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:02.800
along the way make sure to ask the

01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:05.119
councilors or the officers about how

01:59:05.199 --> 01:59:07.119
your organization can apply to and be

01:59:07.199 --> 01:59:09.840
involved thank you Mr Mayor

01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:13.399
thank you councilor Eden

01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:16.319
councilor

01:59:16.399 --> 01:59:18.960
David Burns do you wish to close thank

01:59:19.039 --> 01:59:21.159
you very much thank you everyone for

01:59:21.239 --> 01:59:22.720
your commentary I think it's very clear

01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:24.640
that there is a position around the

01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:26.359
table about this particular matter

01:59:26.439 --> 01:59:29.000
particularly there is also a view of the

01:59:29.079 --> 01:59:31.000
importance of community grants for our

01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:32.319
community and I think that is something

01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:35.520
that is really reflecting the way in

01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:37.199
which this councilor group engage with

01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:38.439
our community and really care about

01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:41.680
outcomes at a very Grassroots level just

01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:43.239
in terms of the next steps I understand

01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:45.079
that there will just be a three-week

01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:46.920
period for consultation commencing in

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:48.279
late August and concluding in

01:59:48.359 --> 01:59:50.560
mid-september through the usual channels

01:59:50.640 --> 01:59:52.600
of your Kingston you'll say Community

01:59:52.680 --> 01:59:55.439
Information sessions and touching base

01:59:55.520 --> 01:59:57.479
with previous stakeholders so I would

01:59:57.560 --> 01:59:59.560
really urge all of those in our

01:59:59.640 --> 02:00:00.880
community who have an interest in our

02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:03.239
grants program to consider providing

02:00:03.319 --> 02:00:06.399
their feedback and letting us know if

02:00:06.479 --> 02:00:08.520
this new model that has been I guess

02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:12.359
informed by a range of research tools

02:00:12.439 --> 02:00:14.399
that have been undertaken to ensure that

02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:15.520
they are efficient that they're

02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:17.079
streamlined but most of importantly that

02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:18.960
they're accessible and that for people

02:00:19.039 --> 02:00:21.079
applying for them that they meet the

02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:23.880
needs that the community have so thank

02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:26.079
you all for your comments tonight

02:00:26.159 --> 02:00:28.960
thank you councilor Davey Burns I'll put

02:00:29.039 --> 02:00:30.359
that to the vote

02:00:30.439 --> 02:00:33.560
all those in favour

02:00:34.399 --> 02:00:37.840
I declare that carried

02:00:38.199 --> 02:00:43.199
we'll move on to item 10.

02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:48.199
five

02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:53.239
the draft Open Space strategy

02:00:53.680 --> 02:00:56.680
councils I'm looking for a motion

02:00:56.760 --> 02:00:58.439
it's moved

02:00:58.520 --> 02:01:00.560
councilor Davey Burns

02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:04.000
just the recommended motion

02:01:05.000 --> 02:01:07.479
at second thank you and seconded Council

02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:09.640
Oxley

02:01:09.720 --> 02:01:12.359
councilor Davey Burns

02:01:12.439 --> 02:01:14.520
thank you very much as we can see here

02:01:14.600 --> 02:01:17.319
this is again to proceed to community

02:01:17.399 --> 02:01:19.039
consultation but I would just like to

02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:21.760
very briefly speak to the Open Space

02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:23.920
strategy first I'd like to thank

02:01:24.000 --> 02:01:26.520
officers for the Intensive work that

02:01:26.600 --> 02:01:28.720
they've undertaken in preparing this

02:01:28.800 --> 02:01:31.359
strategy it's been very extensive and it

02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:34.439
has involved I guess consultation across

02:01:34.520 --> 02:01:36.520
a number of areas within our departments

02:01:36.600 --> 02:01:38.279
at Kingston and I think that's really

02:01:38.359 --> 02:01:40.000
important that we take a very holistic

02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:41.600
approach to the work that we do with

02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:42.840
this strategy

02:01:42.920 --> 02:01:45.479
the goals of the strategy are to enhance

02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:47.680
open space quality and design very

02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:49.840
importantly to ensure provision of this

02:01:49.920 --> 02:01:52.319
space is accessible and connected and

02:01:52.399 --> 02:01:54.640
inclusive and really importantly for

02:01:54.720 --> 02:01:56.119
this councilor group is to increase

02:01:56.199 --> 02:01:58.119
environmental resilience

02:01:58.199 --> 02:01:59.880
the current plan that we have in place

02:01:59.960 --> 02:02:03.279
is from 2012 and we know that a lot has

02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:05.760
happened since then including our

02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:07.520
climate in ecological emergency

02:02:07.600 --> 02:02:10.720
declaration as well as the demographics

02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:14.560
in Kingston that continue to grow I

02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:16.119
understand from the report that we're

02:02:16.199 --> 02:02:17.920
looking at population increase of about

02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:21.760
22 by 2041 so planning for these spaces

02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:23.239
is really important

02:02:23.319 --> 02:02:26.399
very important to note for what award is

02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:28.039
at the most significant growth across

02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:32.000
our city is uh slated for Hyatt for 141

02:02:32.079 --> 02:02:35.600
growth so the import from residents

02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:37.119
there will really matter so I really

02:02:37.199 --> 02:02:38.600
encourage you to involve yourself in

02:02:38.680 --> 02:02:40.359
this consultation

02:02:40.439 --> 02:02:41.600
um we've talked about

02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:43.359
um the importance of Sir William fry

02:02:43.439 --> 02:02:45.520
Reserve before and I recognize that

02:02:45.600 --> 02:02:47.000
there's been some efforts to look at

02:02:47.079 --> 02:02:49.359
re-vegetation there and I do um thank

02:02:49.439 --> 02:02:51.159
Julie who's one of our local residents

02:02:51.239 --> 02:02:52.600
for starting a friendship group with the

02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:54.479
support of our staff we've had such a

02:02:54.560 --> 02:02:56.760
wonderful time recently planting so that

02:02:56.840 --> 02:02:58.359
we can create a safe space for the

02:02:58.439 --> 02:03:01.119
little frogs that live there

02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:03.239
um I would also would just like to note

02:03:03.319 --> 02:03:04.800
that both of our wonderful farmers

02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:06.159
markets are going to be included in

02:03:06.239 --> 02:03:09.520
consultation so both Bond Beach and the

02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:12.239
Kingston Heath farmers market and just

02:03:12.319 --> 02:03:15.000
for those who are thinking about having

02:03:15.079 --> 02:03:17.399
a look you perhaps want to review some

02:03:17.479 --> 02:03:18.840
of the key highlights and that is that

02:03:18.920 --> 02:03:20.439
we aim that all of our residents have

02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:22.640
access to public open space within 400

02:03:22.720 --> 02:03:24.439
meters of walkable distance of Home

02:03:24.520 --> 02:03:27.640
achieving a 30 canopy cover looking at

02:03:27.720 --> 02:03:29.399
sustainable ways of getting around and

02:03:29.479 --> 02:03:31.640
working with traditional owners I hope

02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:33.239
that's really given everyone a sense of

02:03:33.319 --> 02:03:34.520
the importance of this particular

02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:36.479
strategy and I'm really looking forward

02:03:36.560 --> 02:03:38.880
to hearing my fellow councilors speak

02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:40.720
about this item tonight but most

02:03:40.800 --> 02:03:42.399
importantly hearing the consultation

02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:44.319
outcomes when they're available thank

02:03:44.399 --> 02:03:46.359
you

02:03:46.439 --> 02:03:48.279
thank you councilor Davey Burns

02:03:48.359 --> 02:03:49.600
councilor Oxley

02:03:49.680 --> 02:03:52.199
thank you Mr Mayor I'm very very excited

02:03:52.279 --> 02:03:54.079
about this strategy

02:03:54.159 --> 02:03:55.960
um I think there's some fantastic AIMS

02:03:56.039 --> 02:03:58.479
in here and some fantastic goals that

02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:00.000
we're actually looking at they are

02:04:00.079 --> 02:04:01.920
tangible they're achievable and that's

02:04:02.000 --> 02:04:03.720
what I love about strategies that come

02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:06.520
to us that are just very clear they make

02:04:06.600 --> 02:04:07.960
it very clear to our community what we

02:04:08.039 --> 02:04:09.520
need to achieve and they make it very

02:04:09.600 --> 02:04:11.199
clear internally what we need to achieve

02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:13.720
for our community I'm very excited that

02:04:13.800 --> 02:04:16.199
we're looking to have

02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:19.479
everyone have a piece of open space

02:04:19.560 --> 02:04:22.039
within a 400 meter walkable catchment of

02:04:22.119 --> 02:04:24.000
their home how awesome

02:04:24.079 --> 02:04:28.039
because we and our community value our

02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:30.239
open space we value our trees we value

02:04:30.319 --> 02:04:32.600
our conservation areas

02:04:32.680 --> 02:04:34.800
that's what I hear from our community so

02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:36.600
to see a strategy like this come forward

02:04:36.680 --> 02:04:40.000
and one that is so clear that I think we

02:04:40.079 --> 02:04:42.039
can achieve that with the teams within

02:04:42.119 --> 02:04:44.199
Council we we really can do fantastic

02:04:44.279 --> 02:04:46.319
things in this space

02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:48.359
um one of the things I would note is

02:04:48.439 --> 02:04:50.399
that and this is on the first page a

02:04:50.479 --> 02:04:53.079
review of the 2020 2012 Open Space

02:04:53.159 --> 02:04:55.960
strategy identified that 35 to 40 of the

02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:57.840
actions were delivered with the under

02:04:57.920 --> 02:04:59.439
undelivered actions considered for

02:04:59.520 --> 02:05:02.319
rollover in the 2023 strategy

02:05:02.399 --> 02:05:04.439
what I really like about this strategy

02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:06.159
is that I don't think we're going to be

02:05:06.239 --> 02:05:07.199
at that point

02:05:07.279 --> 02:05:09.079
I think we're going to be at a point of

02:05:09.159 --> 02:05:12.159
actually achieving most if not all of

02:05:12.239 --> 02:05:13.600
what's in this strategy

02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:15.279
because in each of those areas and the

02:05:15.359 --> 02:05:16.720
way that they're broken out by suburb

02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:18.520
and seeing those clear deliverables by

02:05:18.600 --> 02:05:20.800
suburb of what we're aiming to do

02:05:20.880 --> 02:05:23.279
um I think we'll give some clarity on

02:05:23.359 --> 02:05:24.640
what we need to do in each of those

02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:26.119
areas

02:05:26.199 --> 02:05:27.359
um I think we've got our work cut out

02:05:27.439 --> 02:05:30.479
for us particularly in terms of that 400

02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:32.920
meter walkable catchment there's perhaps

02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:35.199
some strategic land purchases we may

02:05:35.279 --> 02:05:36.720
need to make in order to create some

02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:39.159
open space but I will leave that in the

02:05:39.239 --> 02:05:41.439
very capable hands of officers and would

02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:43.239
highly endorse this strategy to cancel

02:05:43.319 --> 02:05:44.760
this evening

02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:48.359
thank you Council ruxley

02:05:48.439 --> 02:05:51.560
councilor Beasley

02:05:52.600 --> 02:05:55.039
thank you Mr Mayor I just encourage our

02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:57.359
residents to read this document

02:05:57.439 --> 02:06:00.239
particularly you know selfishly their

02:06:00.319 --> 02:06:03.640
own suburb uh I think it gives them a

02:06:03.720 --> 02:06:06.000
really good feel on exactly what's going

02:06:06.079 --> 02:06:08.920
on in their suburb in particular with

02:06:09.000 --> 02:06:12.359
open space it might also give them a few

02:06:12.439 --> 02:06:14.399
ideas about you know trekking a little

02:06:14.479 --> 02:06:16.119
bit further than their 400 meters

02:06:16.199 --> 02:06:17.439
because there's a lot of interesting

02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:19.520
things in their own suburbs

02:06:19.600 --> 02:06:21.720
I think it's been really well put

02:06:21.800 --> 02:06:23.279
together and

02:06:23.359 --> 02:06:27.399
um I I really encourage all residents to

02:06:27.479 --> 02:06:29.880
have a good read of all sections

02:06:29.960 --> 02:06:32.920
um but you know particularly this is

02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:34.199
this is a good one if you want to

02:06:34.279 --> 02:06:36.359
explore Kingston

02:06:36.439 --> 02:06:39.159
pick this up it's like the Explorer's

02:06:39.239 --> 02:06:42.039
guide to Kingston so I'd suggest all

02:06:42.119 --> 02:06:43.359
residents if you're going to read

02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:45.039
something in the next month make it this

02:06:45.119 --> 02:06:47.600
thank you

02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:50.279
thank you councilor Beasley councilor

02:06:50.359 --> 02:06:54.560
stacos look this has been a busy Council

02:06:54.640 --> 02:06:56.399
um you know and I did mention these

02:06:56.479 --> 02:06:57.760
before when I was talking about the

02:06:57.840 --> 02:07:00.640
green wedge strategy we you know when

02:07:00.720 --> 02:07:02.520
you look at this

02:07:02.600 --> 02:07:03.079
um

02:07:03.159 --> 02:07:05.560
Open Space strategy in combination with

02:07:05.640 --> 02:07:08.439
wayfinding Urban calling serp Urban

02:07:08.520 --> 02:07:11.600
Forest biodiversity the whole raft of

02:07:11.680 --> 02:07:13.039
things

02:07:13.119 --> 02:07:14.680
um and I've I can't mention them all

02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:16.920
because I just can't remember them all

02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:19.000
um this is just another great strategy

02:07:19.079 --> 02:07:21.520
so congratulations to Emily and to Luke

02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:25.239
and the team and also thank you for

02:07:25.319 --> 02:07:27.039
being so open-minded with all the

02:07:27.119 --> 02:07:29.479
suggestions and feedback that I've given

02:07:29.560 --> 02:07:32.000
multiple times

02:07:32.079 --> 02:07:35.279
um what I'm really excited about is that

02:07:35.359 --> 02:07:39.239
we're looking at open space on Mo in

02:07:39.319 --> 02:07:42.159
multiple dimensions and we're coming

02:07:42.239 --> 02:07:44.760
really into the frame of mind that

02:07:44.840 --> 02:07:47.560
people interact with open space in

02:07:47.640 --> 02:07:50.199
different ways for different reasons and

02:07:50.279 --> 02:07:54.159
for at different times and one of them

02:07:54.239 --> 02:07:55.640
really great features that we have in

02:07:55.720 --> 02:07:58.640
Kingston and it goes to the chain of

02:07:58.720 --> 02:08:01.479
parks and this 30-year Vision which is

02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:03.880
coming a reality now and it'll be

02:08:03.960 --> 02:08:06.159
becoming a reality in the time of the

02:08:06.239 --> 02:08:08.760
Kingston Greenwich plan and in the life

02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:12.079
of this strategy is that

02:08:12.159 --> 02:08:14.119
um pretty much the

02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:17.199
we're not going to double the size of

02:08:17.279 --> 02:08:18.960
the chain of parks in terms of usable

02:08:19.039 --> 02:08:20.319
public open space it's going to more

02:08:20.399 --> 02:08:23.399
than double so imagine another Braeside

02:08:23.479 --> 02:08:26.199
Park but at the other end of the chain

02:08:26.279 --> 02:08:28.039
of parks because that's what's going to

02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:30.359
happen the land's been acquired and it's

02:08:30.439 --> 02:08:32.680
it just needs to be converted into

02:08:32.760 --> 02:08:36.079
public open space and you know that's

02:08:36.159 --> 02:08:38.199
really exciting for people not just the

02:08:38.279 --> 02:08:41.600
people who live in clarinder and in

02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:43.520
Heatherton and around the area but for

02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:45.640
all of Kingston because the catchment

02:08:45.720 --> 02:08:49.960
for a place like Braeside Park is not a

02:08:50.039 --> 02:08:51.720
one you know a one kilometer catchment

02:08:51.800 --> 02:08:53.800
or a 400 meter catchment it is for

02:08:53.880 --> 02:08:56.079
kilometers and kilometers around and

02:08:56.159 --> 02:08:57.399
that's what we're talking about when we

02:08:57.479 --> 02:08:59.119
talk about places like Harper Park and

02:08:59.199 --> 02:09:00.479
bracelet park because we've got Parks

02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:01.800
like that that are going to be

02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:03.399
established all through the Kingston

02:09:03.479 --> 02:09:04.920
Green wedge

02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:06.000
um

02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:08.079
Elder Street South is looking very

02:09:08.159 --> 02:09:09.520
Schmick at the moment and it'll look

02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:11.760
even better once it's delivered and

02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:15.039
opened and um really excited about

02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:17.399
what's going on just over the other side

02:09:17.479 --> 02:09:21.039
of the creek I suppose you'd call it

02:09:21.119 --> 02:09:24.239
um at Victory Victory Road Park

02:09:24.319 --> 02:09:27.399
so there's lots going on and in our

02:09:27.479 --> 02:09:29.319
community up in the north are really

02:09:29.399 --> 02:09:31.920
excited about that too

02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:34.199
thank you councilorStaikos councilor

02:09:34.279 --> 02:09:35.600
Hill

02:09:35.680 --> 02:09:37.960
yeah thank you Mr Mayor um look I'll

02:09:38.039 --> 02:09:40.479
just quickly speak to uh the fact that I

02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:43.439
had a resident contact me today just

02:09:43.520 --> 02:09:45.359
with some concerns around areas of

02:09:45.439 --> 02:09:48.000
Cheltenham and Mentone

02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:50.880
um and you know there there is no

02:09:50.960 --> 02:09:54.479
denying there's a patch uh sort of I

02:09:54.560 --> 02:09:57.359
guess bordered by charman Road Nepean

02:09:57.439 --> 02:10:00.760
around balcon the Beach Road Etc where

02:10:00.840 --> 02:10:03.479
there is limited open space at the

02:10:03.560 --> 02:10:05.560
moment which was brought to my attention

02:10:05.640 --> 02:10:08.399
uh I do know from reading the report

02:10:08.479 --> 02:10:10.600
there are some ideas in there how we can

02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:13.600
sort of add some small additional areas

02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:15.560
of open space

02:10:15.640 --> 02:10:19.479
um and really that's what what we're um

02:10:19.560 --> 02:10:22.439
what we'll hopefully do over time uh as

02:10:22.520 --> 02:10:25.800
well as uh as Council Oxley uh also

02:10:25.880 --> 02:10:27.960
spoke to you know potential strategic

02:10:28.039 --> 02:10:30.399
land Acquisitions over time as well

02:10:30.479 --> 02:10:31.720
um the reason I just wanted to mention

02:10:31.800 --> 02:10:34.039
it too is that this is going out to

02:10:34.119 --> 02:10:36.359
community consultation so I would

02:10:36.439 --> 02:10:39.359
encourage all our residents who uh read

02:10:39.439 --> 02:10:42.159
the report it's a it's a really good

02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:44.319
report I think it's a report that's

02:10:44.399 --> 02:10:46.720
evolved and I think it's

02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:49.800
um it's I think more reflective of what

02:10:49.880 --> 02:10:52.840
we were hoping to see maybe but

02:10:52.920 --> 02:10:55.800
um I I think too that yeah I would

02:10:55.880 --> 02:10:58.640
encourage our residents to just give us

02:10:58.720 --> 02:11:00.279
their feedback because you know

02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:02.920
hopefully with that feedback we can if

02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:05.319
possible incorporate that some of that

02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:07.319
in the final in the final draft so

02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:09.479
that's all I was to say thank you

02:11:09.560 --> 02:11:12.880
thank you Council Hill

02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:14.760
to any other councils wish to speak on

02:11:14.840 --> 02:11:17.000
this

02:11:17.600 --> 02:11:19.920
I might make just a quick comment and

02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:22.319
then I'll ask councilor Davey Burns to

02:11:22.399 --> 02:11:25.600
close although

02:11:25.680 --> 02:11:27.399
if I go through the rounds of Banks and

02:11:27.479 --> 02:11:29.000
all the draft strategies and things that

02:11:29.079 --> 02:11:30.520
we do I think I'll be talking at every

02:11:30.600 --> 02:11:32.319
item so I won't do this all the time but

02:11:32.399 --> 02:11:33.760
I did just want to acknowledge and thank

02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:36.039
the officers who are really heavily

02:11:36.119 --> 02:11:37.359
involved in this and this is a really

02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:39.439
big cross-collaborative collaborative

02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:41.880
report that has come together and I

02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:43.640
really one thing that did make me

02:11:43.720 --> 02:11:45.359
chuckle when I first read this that was

02:11:45.439 --> 02:11:49.239
uploaded to our online portal was that

02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:51.880
the title of this document was the 2023

02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:55.800
draft Open Space strategy underscore v15

02:11:55.880 --> 02:11:58.039
so the 15th version of this Open Space

02:11:58.119 --> 02:11:59.800
strategy and that's before it goes out

02:11:59.880 --> 02:12:02.199
to The Community consultation which will

02:12:02.279 --> 02:12:05.079
undoubtedly generate more than I think a

02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:06.640
couple of iterations of this strategy

02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:09.000
but I just think it speaks volumes of

02:12:09.079 --> 02:12:11.760
the level of collaboration engagement

02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:13.720
that we've already had to date with our

02:12:13.800 --> 02:12:15.840
advisory groups other stakeholder groups

02:12:15.920 --> 02:12:17.560
that are involved in this

02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:20.439
um so I did want to thank our staff for

02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:21.640
the level of work that they put into

02:12:21.720 --> 02:12:22.960
this in particular I wanted to

02:12:23.039 --> 02:12:24.239
acknowledge

02:12:24.319 --> 02:12:25.000
um

02:12:25.079 --> 02:12:27.399
Emily Boucher who's here present today

02:12:27.479 --> 02:12:29.119
Luke

02:12:29.199 --> 02:12:31.479
um Brad Hannah Mark our active Kingston

02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:33.239
team behind all the works relating to

02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:34.800
the chain of parks we're doing a

02:12:34.880 --> 02:12:36.520
fantastic job again engaging with our

02:12:36.600 --> 02:12:39.720
sporting and uh active and passive users

02:12:39.800 --> 02:12:41.680
of our Open Spaces

02:12:41.760 --> 02:12:43.960
um our comms team as well and being able

02:12:44.039 --> 02:12:45.479
to engage with these groups and being

02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:46.960
able to deliver a pretty high quality

02:12:47.039 --> 02:12:49.039
report and strategy that I think a lot

02:12:49.119 --> 02:12:50.399
of people will be really proud to

02:12:50.479 --> 02:12:51.840
actually see their city if they live in

02:12:51.920 --> 02:12:54.960
the city adopt something that really and

02:12:55.039 --> 02:12:56.479
it's kind of been underpinned by some of

02:12:56.560 --> 02:12:58.520
the comments by the councilors but is

02:12:58.600 --> 02:13:00.560
really Innovative in being able to

02:13:00.640 --> 02:13:03.479
create open space or strive to create an

02:13:03.560 --> 02:13:05.800
open space within a 400 meter catchable

02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:08.479
walkable area to them which is pretty

02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:10.439
outstanding

02:13:10.520 --> 02:13:12.560
um also to thank Hannah Jane Mark

02:13:12.640 --> 02:13:14.319
Stockton as well

02:13:14.399 --> 02:13:17.560
I did want to specifically talk to the

02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:19.439
report in that I think it's pretty

02:13:19.520 --> 02:13:21.239
spectacular at least what really

02:13:21.319 --> 02:13:23.079
resonated with me that the focus is

02:13:23.159 --> 02:13:25.439
really highlighted the different uses of

02:13:25.520 --> 02:13:27.039
open space that it specifically talks

02:13:27.119 --> 02:13:29.000
about the diversity of Youth diversity

02:13:29.079 --> 02:13:31.039
of community and cultural groups that

02:13:31.119 --> 02:13:33.239
use our open space and how they use them

02:13:33.319 --> 02:13:34.960
and I think that was really important to

02:13:35.039 --> 02:13:36.760
to outline and then it doesn't

02:13:36.840 --> 02:13:39.479
necessarily shy away from the level of

02:13:39.560 --> 02:13:42.039
community consultation that we've done

02:13:42.119 --> 02:13:44.000
and how the report itself highlights

02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:46.319
that there are pretty key areas of

02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:47.880
improvement that we need to make and

02:13:47.960 --> 02:13:49.600
that's that's pretty

02:13:49.680 --> 02:13:50.399
um

02:13:50.479 --> 02:13:52.439
it's pretty significant in some areas

02:13:52.520 --> 02:13:54.079
the fact that we don't necessarily have

02:13:54.159 --> 02:13:55.600
access to skate parks for all of our

02:13:55.680 --> 02:13:57.159
users and we've only and that's really

02:13:57.239 --> 02:13:58.720
difficult for them to get to in a longer

02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:01.319
you know stretch of space so I think

02:14:01.399 --> 02:14:02.920
that's really pivotal that we put that

02:14:03.000 --> 02:14:05.279
out to the community as it is now

02:14:05.359 --> 02:14:07.319
Garner the feedback that we need to in

02:14:07.399 --> 02:14:09.239
the community has a look at this and as

02:14:09.319 --> 02:14:10.840
councilor Beasley said looks at their

02:14:10.920 --> 02:14:12.520
suburb profiles specifically but just

02:14:12.600 --> 02:14:14.560
the whole city to see if we can achieve

02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:16.000
what they're hoping to achieve in this

02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:17.479
strategy

02:14:17.560 --> 02:14:20.119
thank you councilor Davey Burns do wish

02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:22.520
your clothes

02:14:23.039 --> 02:14:25.479
okay thank you I will put that to the

02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:29.239
vote all those in favour

02:14:30.079 --> 02:14:33.399
I declare that carried

02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:38.920
we'll move on to items

02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:42.840
13.1

02:14:42.920 --> 02:14:45.479
notice of motion

02:14:45.560 --> 02:14:49.520
number 22 2023 facilities at Turner Road

02:14:49.600 --> 02:14:52.520
Reserve

02:14:52.600 --> 02:14:54.479
cancel it

02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:57.840
Davey Burns do you wish yeah yes can I

02:14:57.920 --> 02:14:59.279
please remove the motion as it appears

02:14:59.359 --> 02:15:01.199
on the screen okay

02:15:01.279 --> 02:15:03.640
thank you do we have a seconder

02:15:03.720 --> 02:15:06.039
councilor State class councilor Davey

02:15:06.119 --> 02:15:08.279
Burns thank you

02:15:08.359 --> 02:15:10.960
um this is a really important notice of

02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:13.520
seven and I just thank the officers for

02:15:13.600 --> 02:15:15.159
working with me to bring this particular

02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:16.960
notice of motion forward

02:15:17.039 --> 02:15:20.119
if we think back to two years ago when

02:15:20.199 --> 02:15:22.640
our current CEO started one of the very

02:15:22.720 --> 02:15:25.439
first things that I did was ask him to

02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:27.560
visit the Hyatt football netball club

02:15:27.640 --> 02:15:30.000
and Turner Road Reserve facilities

02:15:30.079 --> 02:15:31.600
it's a really highlight a few things

02:15:31.680 --> 02:15:34.119
firstly how incredibly important this

02:15:34.199 --> 02:15:37.199
space is for our community and the

02:15:37.279 --> 02:15:39.159
servicing of a range of things at this

02:15:39.239 --> 02:15:43.000
particular facility site but secondly to

02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:45.840
really highlight the urgent need for

02:15:45.920 --> 02:15:49.439
upgrades and support for this space

02:15:49.520 --> 02:15:52.119
recently as a councilor group a number

02:15:52.199 --> 02:15:54.760
of us visited and uh unfortunately at

02:15:54.840 --> 02:15:57.479
that time the piping in the public

02:15:57.560 --> 02:15:59.319
toilet had come away from the wall and

02:15:59.399 --> 02:16:01.640
was on the floor uh one of the toilets

02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:04.479
was broken and all councilors present at

02:16:04.560 --> 02:16:06.279
that particular visit could see a few

02:16:06.359 --> 02:16:07.920
months ago the absolute state of

02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:10.039
disrepair that these particular toilets

02:16:10.119 --> 02:16:12.840
are in they are tucked away around the

02:16:12.920 --> 02:16:15.840
back and are very difficult to access if

02:16:15.920 --> 02:16:18.399
you don't have if you're not able-bodied

02:16:18.479 --> 02:16:21.239
but very important to me is someone who

02:16:21.319 --> 02:16:23.680
works with child safe standards they are

02:16:23.760 --> 02:16:27.239
completely unsafe for surveillance and

02:16:27.319 --> 02:16:29.439
are tucked away behind a building that

02:16:29.520 --> 02:16:32.120
is not well lit in the late afternoon

02:16:32.200 --> 02:16:35.319
early evening but also for anyone who's

02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:37.719
actually using the playground there's

02:16:37.799 --> 02:16:39.399
particular difficulties in perhaps

02:16:39.479 --> 02:16:42.200
managing safety for children at that

02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:45.760
particular Park so for that reason and

02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:47.360
you'll note here in the notice of motion

02:16:47.440 --> 02:16:48.799
that I've talked about them being

02:16:48.879 --> 02:16:50.760
inadequate and potentially on safe

02:16:50.840 --> 02:16:53.200
toilets but they're not DDA compliant

02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:55.120
and they do not align with our crime

02:16:55.200 --> 02:16:56.440
prevention through environmental design

02:16:56.520 --> 02:16:57.879
principles

02:16:57.959 --> 02:17:02.319
secondly I'd like to note that the the

02:17:02.399 --> 02:17:03.760
team there at heart football netball

02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:07.479
Club have been working out of uh I guess

02:17:07.559 --> 02:17:08.959
really

02:17:09.040 --> 02:17:11.120
not ideal environments when we think

02:17:11.200 --> 02:17:14.440
about the change room for our umpires uh

02:17:14.520 --> 02:17:17.000
you walk in it's a very small space not

02:17:17.079 --> 02:17:18.879
really much bigger than a closet and

02:17:18.959 --> 02:17:21.040
immediately to your right is a urinal

02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:22.840
this is a space that's supposed to be

02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:24.479
used by all genders and it really

02:17:24.559 --> 02:17:26.360
doesn't feel very safe or very welcoming

02:17:26.440 --> 02:17:28.760
for people entering into that space so

02:17:28.840 --> 02:17:30.520
you'll see here that we have an

02:17:30.600 --> 02:17:32.680
opportunity with a potential relocation

02:17:32.760 --> 02:17:35.639
of the toilets noting that this report

02:17:35.719 --> 02:17:38.079
will also provide some information about

02:17:38.159 --> 02:17:41.120
the potential to transform those

02:17:41.200 --> 02:17:43.360
facilities to make them more Equitable

02:17:43.440 --> 02:17:45.760
for all genders this particular report

02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:47.680
if it is approved by my Council

02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:50.120
colleagues tonight and I do really hope

02:17:50.200 --> 02:17:52.959
to seek your support on this one will

02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:55.120
enable us to go forward and look at

02:17:55.200 --> 02:17:57.879
other funding opportunities we had our

02:17:57.959 --> 02:18:01.719
local member NickStaikos visit last week

02:18:01.799 --> 02:18:05.200
and indicate that there are a range of

02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:06.920
particular Grant submissions that we

02:18:07.000 --> 02:18:08.920
might be able to look at as Council so

02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:11.319
this report is really important those

02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:13.120
timelines of getting this report back as

02:18:13.200 --> 02:18:15.719
soon as possible so that we can

02:18:15.799 --> 02:18:18.280
ensure that we are able to seek state

02:18:18.360 --> 02:18:19.959
government funding for this very

02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:22.280
important upgrade I'll just finally note

02:18:22.360 --> 02:18:24.920
that we have recently reviewed all of

02:18:25.000 --> 02:18:28.040
our Pavilions and Hyatt is certainly up

02:18:28.120 --> 02:18:30.799
there on the list at number four and

02:18:30.879 --> 02:18:33.639
number six respectively and so really

02:18:33.719 --> 02:18:36.040
requires some very urgent support from

02:18:36.120 --> 02:18:38.120
us so this has been a long time coming

02:18:38.200 --> 02:18:40.479
it's very urgently needed and I know

02:18:40.559 --> 02:18:44.559
that from football Cricket dog walkers

02:18:44.639 --> 02:18:48.920
and playground users alike the potential

02:18:49.000 --> 02:18:51.360
through this report for an upgrade would

02:18:51.440 --> 02:18:55.200
be very well received thank you

02:18:55.799 --> 02:19:00.639
okay thank you councilor Davey Burns

02:19:00.719 --> 02:19:02.440
CouncilStaikos

02:19:02.520 --> 02:19:04.000
you reserve

02:19:04.079 --> 02:19:05.920
do any other councilors wish to speak to

02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:08.440
this councilor Davies

02:19:08.520 --> 02:19:10.479
thank you may I just really wanted to

02:19:10.559 --> 02:19:13.040
speak in support of um the motion I did

02:19:13.120 --> 02:19:14.319
actually tour with a number of the

02:19:14.399 --> 02:19:16.959
councils and I think um Council Davey

02:19:17.040 --> 02:19:19.280
Burns is being very very diplomatic I

02:19:19.360 --> 02:19:20.799
would actually say that these toilets

02:19:20.879 --> 02:19:23.559
are absolutely hideous and disgusting

02:19:23.639 --> 02:19:25.760
um but more importantly I agree in terms

02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:28.360
of safety because they're actually built

02:19:28.440 --> 02:19:31.840
under concrete stairs and they're very

02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:34.200
very very old and they're nowhere near

02:19:34.280 --> 02:19:36.280
the children's playground so I do think

02:19:36.360 --> 02:19:37.760
they pose a problem and I'm looking

02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:40.719
forward to receipt

02:19:41.280 --> 02:19:44.079
thank you councilor Davies Council Oxley

02:19:44.159 --> 02:19:45.879
thank you

02:19:45.959 --> 02:19:47.319
um and this is why I love notices of

02:19:47.399 --> 02:19:51.120
motion because it allows councilors to

02:19:51.200 --> 02:19:53.799
bring forward issues in their wards that

02:19:53.879 --> 02:19:56.360
are very very important I will be

02:19:56.440 --> 02:19:58.600
supporting this this evening but do

02:19:58.680 --> 02:20:00.360
really want to make the point that

02:20:00.440 --> 02:20:02.440
that's why we have notices of motion and

02:20:02.520 --> 02:20:03.879
that's why when notices of motion come

02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:05.840
forward and people raise these for

02:20:05.920 --> 02:20:07.680
issues in their world like Bon Beach for

02:20:07.760 --> 02:20:09.639
example that councilor Howell has bought

02:20:09.719 --> 02:20:11.079
before this Council on a number of

02:20:11.159 --> 02:20:13.879
occasions or myself in regards to some

02:20:13.959 --> 02:20:16.520
of our football clubs in our areas

02:20:16.600 --> 02:20:18.959
this is something that is really really

02:20:19.040 --> 02:20:21.600
important having safe and accessible

02:20:21.680 --> 02:20:24.159
toilets for players for people visiting

02:20:24.239 --> 02:20:27.159
our open spaces and for umpires

02:20:27.239 --> 02:20:28.840
particularly female friendly change

02:20:28.920 --> 02:20:32.520
rooms is something that is so vital so

02:20:32.600 --> 02:20:33.879
getting reports that give us some more

02:20:33.959 --> 02:20:36.760
information that allow us to see what it

02:20:36.840 --> 02:20:38.840
is that we need to do to make these

02:20:38.920 --> 02:20:42.719
spaces safer is something I'm all for

02:20:42.799 --> 02:20:45.360
but would like to just point out there's

02:20:45.440 --> 02:20:48.200
other places that need this work too

02:20:48.280 --> 02:20:50.719
um certainly not trying to suggest that

02:20:50.799 --> 02:20:53.120
Hyatt isn't in need of it I've seen

02:20:53.200 --> 02:20:55.360
photos and I've I've seen emails in

02:20:55.440 --> 02:20:57.600
regards to this as well so I know how

02:20:57.680 --> 02:21:00.600
important it is but notices of motion

02:21:00.680 --> 02:21:02.280
that come forward in other areas as well

02:21:02.360 --> 02:21:04.680
also highlight that need that other

02:21:04.760 --> 02:21:05.840
football clubs and other community

02:21:05.920 --> 02:21:08.200
centers might have where they may be in

02:21:08.280 --> 02:21:11.200
a similar worse better State the council

02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:13.000
does need to work on as well more than

02:21:13.079 --> 02:21:15.360
happy to support this this evening

02:21:15.440 --> 02:21:18.559
accounts ruxley

02:21:19.799 --> 02:21:22.079
councilor

02:21:22.159 --> 02:21:23.719
to any other councils wish to speak to

02:21:23.799 --> 02:21:26.000
this

02:21:26.399 --> 02:21:28.200
councilor Debbie Burns do you wish to

02:21:28.280 --> 02:21:29.120
close

02:21:29.200 --> 02:21:32.719
Reserve I put this to the vote all those

02:21:32.799 --> 02:21:35.440
in favour

02:21:35.520 --> 02:21:38.280
of those against uh

02:21:38.360 --> 02:21:41.879
I declare that carried

02:21:44.360 --> 02:21:47.200
I'll move on to item 13.2 notice the

02:21:47.280 --> 02:21:50.680
motion number 23 2023 life estate slash

02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:53.319
weed killer advisory signage councilor

02:21:53.399 --> 02:21:55.479
Oxley thank you I'd like to move the

02:21:55.559 --> 02:21:57.959
motion as it appears thank you

02:21:58.040 --> 02:22:01.440
uh do we have a secondar

02:22:02.440 --> 02:22:05.120
Cochrane

02:22:05.200 --> 02:22:08.200
Council Oxley thank you thank you uh

02:22:08.280 --> 02:22:09.639
what I'm asking for this evening and

02:22:09.719 --> 02:22:12.000
asking for Council to consider is that

02:22:12.079 --> 02:22:13.879
when Council sprays herbicides weed

02:22:13.959 --> 02:22:16.200
killer or in particular glyphosates in

02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:18.360
publicly accessible areas the council

02:22:18.440 --> 02:22:20.559
displays advisory signage advising of

02:22:20.639 --> 02:22:22.280
the type of weed killer slash herbicide

02:22:22.360 --> 02:22:24.639
used and the date of spraying for a

02:22:24.719 --> 02:22:26.840
period of no less than three days or

02:22:26.920 --> 02:22:29.520
longer whether die in the weed killer or

02:22:29.600 --> 02:22:31.840
herbicide is still visible the reason

02:22:31.920 --> 02:22:33.280
why I'm asking for this is a number of

02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:35.639
complaints or concerns that I've

02:22:35.719 --> 02:22:37.200
actually received from local residents

02:22:37.280 --> 02:22:38.920
that when they're walking their dogs or

02:22:39.000 --> 02:22:40.840
they're taking their kids to the park

02:22:40.920 --> 02:22:43.200
and they say die on the ground over

02:22:43.280 --> 02:22:45.200
weeds they don't know what's actually

02:22:45.280 --> 02:22:46.840
being sprayed and I think the natural

02:22:46.920 --> 02:22:48.760
assumption for people is that it is

02:22:48.840 --> 02:22:49.879
glyphosate

02:22:49.959 --> 02:22:52.719
and they're not sure if it is or isn't

02:22:52.799 --> 02:22:54.120
whether they should have their dogs

02:22:54.200 --> 02:22:55.360
there whether they should have their

02:22:55.440 --> 02:22:57.280
kids there and I think we need to

02:22:57.360 --> 02:22:59.040
empower our residents and visitors to

02:22:59.120 --> 02:23:00.520
our Open Spaces

02:23:00.600 --> 02:23:02.520
to make their own decisions

02:23:02.600 --> 02:23:04.760
to do that risk assessment themselves

02:23:04.840 --> 02:23:07.200
and I know that Council apparently does

02:23:07.280 --> 02:23:09.360
risk Assessments in regards to what we

02:23:09.440 --> 02:23:10.840
do in terms of the spraying of

02:23:10.920 --> 02:23:13.719
herbicides in our Open Spaces

02:23:13.799 --> 02:23:15.760
I think it's really important that

02:23:15.840 --> 02:23:17.520
residents are able to make that decision

02:23:17.600 --> 02:23:20.079
themselves and by giving them that

02:23:20.159 --> 02:23:22.000
information letting them know whether it

02:23:22.079 --> 02:23:24.040
is glyphosate whether it is potentially

02:23:24.120 --> 02:23:25.760
slasher or any of those other types of

02:23:25.840 --> 02:23:28.040
herbicides of weed killers

02:23:28.120 --> 02:23:30.479
that they're able to decide whether they

02:23:30.559 --> 02:23:32.319
want to be in that space whether they

02:23:32.399 --> 02:23:33.399
want their kids to be in that space

02:23:33.479 --> 02:23:34.959
whether they want their dogs to be in

02:23:35.040 --> 02:23:35.920
that space

02:23:36.000 --> 02:23:38.319
and for how long it is

02:23:38.399 --> 02:23:41.639
we were down recently at Kingston Heath

02:23:41.719 --> 02:23:43.959
Reserve and at Kingston haste preserve

02:23:44.040 --> 02:23:45.639
there are a number of people walking

02:23:45.719 --> 02:23:47.040
around going oh no don't walk through

02:23:47.120 --> 02:23:48.639
there there's glyphosate

02:23:48.719 --> 02:23:51.120
now this was in an area where I would

02:23:51.200 --> 02:23:52.719
believe we probably weren't spraying

02:23:52.799 --> 02:23:54.280
life safe based on the policies that

02:23:54.360 --> 02:23:55.360
Council has

02:23:55.440 --> 02:23:58.200
but with the dye in the herbicides it

02:23:58.280 --> 02:24:00.360
looks exactly like glyphosate would to

02:24:00.440 --> 02:24:02.040
anyone that probably wasn't familiar

02:24:02.120 --> 02:24:04.200
with it so I think it is absolutely

02:24:04.280 --> 02:24:06.799
vital that we inform our residents and

02:24:06.879 --> 02:24:08.200
that we Empower them to make their own

02:24:08.280 --> 02:24:10.559
decisions when it comes to the risks

02:24:10.639 --> 02:24:12.879
potential risks perceived risks of

02:24:12.959 --> 02:24:15.000
herbicides so that they're able to be

02:24:15.079 --> 02:24:16.840
very clear that they've made the

02:24:16.920 --> 02:24:18.879
decision to go there where the council

02:24:18.959 --> 02:24:20.200
sprays glyphosate or anything else

02:24:20.280 --> 02:24:22.479
they've made the decision to do that

02:24:22.559 --> 02:24:23.680
thank you

02:24:23.760 --> 02:24:25.879
thank you councilor Oxley councilor

02:24:25.959 --> 02:24:27.120
Cochrane

02:24:27.200 --> 02:24:28.559
an

02:24:28.639 --> 02:24:30.200
do any other councilors wish to speak to

02:24:30.280 --> 02:24:32.040
this

02:24:32.120 --> 02:24:35.200
councilor Paisley

02:24:36.239 --> 02:24:37.719
and thank you Mr Mayor I just note the

02:24:37.799 --> 02:24:40.719
council at the to councilors our Council

02:24:40.799 --> 02:24:42.479
officers report

02:24:42.559 --> 02:24:44.079
um that their Council officers are

02:24:44.159 --> 02:24:46.879
confident in their current approach

02:24:46.959 --> 02:24:48.680
um which is

02:24:48.760 --> 02:24:51.799
described in the guidance note

02:24:51.879 --> 02:24:54.000
um and that they've they do actually

02:24:54.079 --> 02:24:55.840
think that retaining signage in Open

02:24:55.920 --> 02:24:57.639
Spaces beyond the period of the chemical

02:24:57.719 --> 02:24:59.719
applicator operating in the area is

02:24:59.799 --> 02:25:02.360
Impractical and could lead to confusion

02:25:02.440 --> 02:25:05.200
I'm quite happy to race to to look at

02:25:05.280 --> 02:25:07.280
something where we research how we can

02:25:07.360 --> 02:25:09.399
provide more information to our

02:25:09.479 --> 02:25:11.799
residents in relation to the areas that

02:25:11.879 --> 02:25:15.239
we regularly use the weed killer Etc on

02:25:15.319 --> 02:25:20.440
I'm not keen on this particular approach

02:25:20.520 --> 02:25:23.079
um completely understand

02:25:23.159 --> 02:25:27.120
um that councilor Oxley has had numerous

02:25:27.200 --> 02:25:29.040
requests from residents or some

02:25:29.120 --> 02:25:32.920
residents about you know just wanting to

02:25:33.000 --> 02:25:34.719
know the areas so that there there's

02:25:34.799 --> 02:25:36.120
probably you know something that we can

02:25:36.200 --> 02:25:39.200
work on in this space I'm not really

02:25:39.280 --> 02:25:41.440
enjoying the idea of science being

02:25:41.520 --> 02:25:44.719
littered all over the place because I I

02:25:44.799 --> 02:25:46.440
do think then getting someone to come

02:25:46.520 --> 02:25:49.520
back three days later to remove it

02:25:49.600 --> 02:25:52.840
it just leads to other problems I we

02:25:52.920 --> 02:25:54.520
could do it there might be a virtual way

02:25:54.600 --> 02:25:58.000
that we can actually do this whether you

02:25:58.079 --> 02:26:00.360
know once we've had done an area it you

02:26:00.440 --> 02:26:02.280
know it gets uploaded onto an app or

02:26:02.360 --> 02:26:04.360
something like that so people know the

02:26:04.440 --> 02:26:06.040
areas that have been done in the last

02:26:06.120 --> 02:26:07.559
two or three days there may be another

02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:09.639
way of doing this so

02:26:09.719 --> 02:26:12.719
um you know I in no way think that it's

02:26:12.799 --> 02:26:14.520
not important if there are residents out

02:26:14.600 --> 02:26:16.200
there who are concerned about their dogs

02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:19.600
or their children being near the area I

02:26:19.680 --> 02:26:21.520
just don't know that the signage is the

02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:23.360
solution for it so I won't be voting for

02:26:23.440 --> 02:26:25.239
this tonight

02:26:25.319 --> 02:26:27.280
thank you councilor Beasley councilor

02:26:27.360 --> 02:26:28.440
Howe

02:26:28.520 --> 02:26:30.040
thank you and I think it's very

02:26:30.120 --> 02:26:32.040
reasonable to have noticed when you are

02:26:32.120 --> 02:26:34.120
spraying the chemical glyphosate

02:26:34.200 --> 02:26:37.120
particularly with small bodied animals

02:26:37.200 --> 02:26:38.799
cats dogs

02:26:38.879 --> 02:26:40.959
whatever it is that someone's walking in

02:26:41.040 --> 02:26:43.000
and we've heard the comment about

02:26:43.079 --> 02:26:45.799
children as well it's

02:26:45.879 --> 02:26:46.879
uh

02:26:46.959 --> 02:26:48.639
disturbing actually like you go to a

02:26:48.719 --> 02:26:50.040
national park and I tell you to spray

02:26:50.120 --> 02:26:52.799
1080.

02:26:53.159 --> 02:26:54.760
you don't know what 1080 is you can

02:26:54.840 --> 02:26:57.959
Google that and when they spray the

02:26:58.040 --> 02:27:00.120
municipality here at Kingston

02:27:00.200 --> 02:27:02.719
a chemical that's just as dangerous to

02:27:02.799 --> 02:27:04.600
depending on the context of use but

02:27:04.680 --> 02:27:06.719
certainly to to those small bodied

02:27:06.799 --> 02:27:09.000
animals into children's you know real

02:27:09.079 --> 02:27:12.520
risks I don't think it's such a onerous

02:27:12.600 --> 02:27:14.680
activity to be dropping a picket to let

02:27:14.760 --> 02:27:15.719
people know you've just sprayed that

02:27:15.799 --> 02:27:16.840
chemical

02:27:16.920 --> 02:27:19.440
what's it too we've got what is it 1500

02:27:19.520 --> 02:27:21.639
staff that work for the council stopping

02:27:21.719 --> 02:27:22.719
along those lines correct me if I'm

02:27:22.799 --> 02:27:23.920
wrong but we're saying a vicinity of

02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:27.040
that is it such a challenge for someone

02:27:27.120 --> 02:27:29.559
to go and pick that up two days later if

02:27:29.639 --> 02:27:31.559
someone's going past we're not obviously

02:27:31.639 --> 02:27:35.280
spraying all the city all the time all

02:27:35.360 --> 02:27:37.760
you know simultaneously so there's got

02:27:37.840 --> 02:27:40.879
to be some capacity to to be looking at

02:27:40.959 --> 02:27:42.200
a scenario that's been suggested by

02:27:42.280 --> 02:27:44.360
Oxley and I don't know anyone that would

02:27:44.440 --> 02:27:46.079
be happy to have that spread in their

02:27:46.159 --> 02:27:47.319
own backyard and have their children

02:27:47.399 --> 02:27:51.200
playing it yeah we're gonna go spray it

02:27:51.280 --> 02:27:53.120
in the playgrounds with Jordan to play

02:27:53.200 --> 02:27:55.000
now and not tell them not tell the

02:27:55.079 --> 02:27:56.719
parents that that's the case and

02:27:56.799 --> 02:27:59.280
someone's dog or cat is you know walking

02:27:59.360 --> 02:28:01.840
through there I don't know I just don't

02:28:01.920 --> 02:28:03.879
think that that's right personally thank

02:28:03.959 --> 02:28:04.879
you

02:28:04.959 --> 02:28:07.280
thank you councilor Hal CouncilStaikos

02:28:07.360 --> 02:28:10.120
just a question for clarification to the

02:28:10.200 --> 02:28:12.399
relevant officer about whether or not we

02:28:12.479 --> 02:28:17.200
use glyphosphate in playgrounds because

02:28:17.280 --> 02:28:19.719
that's a I think that's kind of verging

02:28:19.799 --> 02:28:21.000
on misinformation

02:28:21.079 --> 02:28:22.600
thank you Council Steakhouse I'll drag

02:28:22.680 --> 02:28:25.479
that question through to Ms Krull

02:28:25.559 --> 02:28:27.600
thank you through you Mr May in heart

02:28:27.680 --> 02:28:29.719
traffic areas such as playgrounds and

02:28:29.799 --> 02:28:31.840
Child Care Centers only manual weeding

02:28:31.920 --> 02:28:34.280
is undertaken no glyphosate all

02:28:34.360 --> 02:28:36.399
chemicals are used in weed Management in

02:28:36.479 --> 02:28:38.520
those areas

02:28:38.600 --> 02:28:41.840
thank you Miss Crow

02:28:44.120 --> 02:28:45.879
to any other councils wish to speak to

02:28:45.959 --> 02:28:46.959
this

02:28:47.040 --> 02:28:49.559
Council yes thank you

02:28:49.639 --> 02:28:51.280
um I think it's important we just stick

02:28:51.360 --> 02:28:52.799
to the facts

02:28:52.879 --> 02:28:58.360
on this issue and like we have had

02:28:58.440 --> 02:29:01.200
a discussion about

02:29:01.280 --> 02:29:01.959
um

02:29:02.040 --> 02:29:04.040
glyphosate before

02:29:04.120 --> 02:29:07.120
we basically went through the process of

02:29:07.200 --> 02:29:09.879
not using it for a while

02:29:09.959 --> 02:29:12.959
and our offices

02:29:13.040 --> 02:29:15.000
came back to us and told us that the

02:29:15.079 --> 02:29:17.280
process wasn't working

02:29:17.360 --> 02:29:19.319
um we then went through a whole process

02:29:19.399 --> 02:29:21.120
of

02:29:21.200 --> 02:29:24.360
consideration including reviewing the

02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:27.719
evidence about safety and we decided to

02:29:27.799 --> 02:29:29.520
overturn that decision

02:29:29.600 --> 02:29:32.440
and

02:29:32.520 --> 02:29:36.719
this report or this officer advice

02:29:36.799 --> 02:29:38.200
says

02:29:38.280 --> 02:29:41.799
as Ms Kroll just read out in high

02:29:41.879 --> 02:29:43.680
traffic areas such as playgrounds and

02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:45.959
Child Care Centers only manual weeding

02:29:46.040 --> 02:29:48.120
is undertaking

02:29:48.200 --> 02:29:50.559
um Melbourne water uses an integrated

02:29:50.639 --> 02:29:52.760
weed management Approach at Quiet Lakes

02:29:52.840 --> 02:29:54.479
and tidal waterways this approach

02:29:54.559 --> 02:29:56.120
consists of mechanical raking and

02:29:56.200 --> 02:29:57.799
herbicide treatment

02:29:57.879 --> 02:30:00.159
our use of herbicide is Guided by the

02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:02.319
Australian pesticides and Veterinary

02:30:02.399 --> 02:30:06.280
medicines Authority or VP sorry apvma

02:30:06.360 --> 02:30:09.040
and of worksafe

02:30:09.120 --> 02:30:12.479
the AP VMA and worksafe guidelines

02:30:12.559 --> 02:30:15.280
clearly state that products containing

02:30:15.360 --> 02:30:17.840
glyphosate can be used safely

02:30:17.920 --> 02:30:20.840
if direct if directions are followed

02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:24.360
and on the safety data sheet and labels

02:30:24.440 --> 02:30:27.520
which our officers and contractors do

02:30:27.600 --> 02:30:28.760
adhere to

02:30:28.840 --> 02:30:32.079
so like I understand

02:30:32.159 --> 02:30:35.920
and trust that we've gone through this

02:30:36.000 --> 02:30:38.520
multiple times

02:30:38.600 --> 02:30:43.200
um and I just feel that when we are

02:30:43.280 --> 02:30:46.280
sending our teams to potentially up to

02:30:46.360 --> 02:30:48.799
20 sites per day

02:30:48.879 --> 02:30:50.719
it's not

02:30:50.799 --> 02:30:52.280
practical

02:30:52.360 --> 02:30:54.479
and that the implementation of this

02:30:54.559 --> 02:30:56.840
could potentially cost counts or more

02:30:56.920 --> 02:31:00.040
than twenty five thousand dollars of

02:31:00.120 --> 02:31:02.520
Staff time

02:31:02.600 --> 02:31:06.040
um over over a period of a year in going

02:31:06.120 --> 02:31:07.959
back and collecting signs and not to

02:31:08.040 --> 02:31:10.680
mention the production of science

02:31:10.760 --> 02:31:12.959
um which you know really means that this

02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:15.520
should be a report instead of an

02:31:15.600 --> 02:31:18.959
implementation so I mean I'm not going

02:31:19.040 --> 02:31:22.360
to ask for you know

02:31:22.440 --> 02:31:24.120
I mean we've had enough governance talk

02:31:24.200 --> 02:31:25.760
tonight

02:31:25.840 --> 02:31:28.239
um but from the governance note that

02:31:28.319 --> 02:31:29.719
I've received that question hasn't even

02:31:29.799 --> 02:31:32.200
been touched on

02:31:32.280 --> 02:31:33.760
um so it's just I think that's that's

02:31:33.840 --> 02:31:36.399
missing from the advice that we've

02:31:36.479 --> 02:31:38.520
received I'll leave my comments there

02:31:38.600 --> 02:31:41.840
thank you Council stagos uh councilor

02:31:41.920 --> 02:31:43.200
Eden

02:31:43.280 --> 02:31:45.000
oh yes thank you Mr Mayor just a

02:31:45.079 --> 02:31:46.200
question

02:31:46.280 --> 02:31:48.000
um we heard from officers that they

02:31:48.079 --> 02:31:50.639
don't necessarily spray in the

02:31:50.719 --> 02:31:52.239
playgrounds or high traffic areas but

02:31:52.319 --> 02:31:53.440
could they just confirm are they

02:31:53.520 --> 02:31:56.520
spraying glyphosate anywhere between the

02:31:56.600 --> 02:32:00.000
car Parks or the paths and the

02:32:00.079 --> 02:32:01.680
surrounding areas of playgrounds because

02:32:01.760 --> 02:32:03.760
a number of residents have informed me

02:32:03.840 --> 02:32:05.319
that they've made such inquiries and

02:32:05.399 --> 02:32:06.879
that there is glyphosate being sprayed

02:32:06.959 --> 02:32:08.719
in the car parks of playgrounds and

02:32:08.799 --> 02:32:10.760
along all those edges where you could

02:32:10.840 --> 02:32:12.879
imagine kids would sit and wait for

02:32:12.959 --> 02:32:14.440
their parents to unload cars so could

02:32:14.520 --> 02:32:16.120
that be clarified

02:32:16.200 --> 02:32:18.600
thank you councilor Aiden I will direct

02:32:18.680 --> 02:32:20.719
that question through to Ms Crowell

02:32:20.799 --> 02:32:23.280
thank you through you Mr May

02:32:23.360 --> 02:32:25.079
um yes we do use glyphosate for weed

02:32:25.159 --> 02:32:27.000
control and management in car parks and

02:32:27.079 --> 02:32:29.920
along paths including car Parks adjacent

02:32:30.000 --> 02:32:31.760
to open space areas which have

02:32:31.840 --> 02:32:35.200
playgrounds in them we do not use

02:32:35.280 --> 02:32:37.719
chemicals in playgrounds or where

02:32:37.799 --> 02:32:39.520
children are actively playing or sitting

02:32:39.600 --> 02:32:42.120
on the grass close to the playground so

02:32:42.200 --> 02:32:43.559
as mentioned previously we use hand

02:32:43.639 --> 02:32:47.079
weeding for those locations

02:32:47.360 --> 02:32:50.360
thank you Miss Crowell councilor yes

02:32:50.440 --> 02:32:52.360
thank you for the uh reply I would like

02:32:52.440 --> 02:32:55.719
to speak to the item if I may yep please

02:32:55.799 --> 02:32:59.120
go ahead yes I think the points made by

02:32:59.200 --> 02:33:01.600
councilor Howe are particularly valid uh

02:33:01.680 --> 02:33:04.000
considering if someone would be familiar

02:33:04.079 --> 02:33:06.760
with kids they don't necessarily always

02:33:06.840 --> 02:33:08.799
go straight into a playground and I

02:33:08.879 --> 02:33:10.280
think if you looked at what a lot of

02:33:10.360 --> 02:33:11.639
parents are concerned about it's

02:33:11.719 --> 02:33:13.879
actually the exposure it's not the

02:33:13.959 --> 02:33:17.200
location it's about making sure that

02:33:17.280 --> 02:33:19.600
people can make informed decisions about

02:33:19.680 --> 02:33:21.639
what they may or may not do with their

02:33:21.719 --> 02:33:24.479
pets or their animals people may not

02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:26.559
want to be unloading their car and they

02:33:26.639 --> 02:33:27.799
say to their kids I'll just go and sit

02:33:27.879 --> 02:33:29.280
over there and wait while we unload the

02:33:29.360 --> 02:33:31.360
car and there's their dog and their

02:33:31.440 --> 02:33:34.559
child sitting over the top of glyphosate

02:33:34.639 --> 02:33:36.959
uh you know we had some discussion just

02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:38.840
before about Council had reconsidered

02:33:38.920 --> 02:33:42.200
the item considered it was safe Etc but

02:33:42.280 --> 02:33:44.120
what council had previously done was

02:33:44.200 --> 02:33:47.440
determined that the uh use of glyphosate

02:33:47.520 --> 02:33:49.719
was something of public concern

02:33:49.799 --> 02:33:52.680
and one only needs to consider the

02:33:52.760 --> 02:33:54.479
recent Publications that actually came

02:33:54.559 --> 02:33:56.799
out in the US from 10 scientists who are

02:33:56.879 --> 02:33:58.239
actually part of the National Institute

02:33:58.319 --> 02:33:59.120
of Health

02:33:59.200 --> 02:34:02.120
uh and the CDC so one of America's

02:34:02.200 --> 02:34:04.959
leading agencies where they actually

02:34:05.040 --> 02:34:07.360
concluded that glyphosate usage does

02:34:07.440 --> 02:34:08.920
contribute

02:34:09.000 --> 02:34:11.079
um so oxidative stress in humans which

02:34:11.159 --> 02:34:14.040
is one of the leading causes of cancer

02:34:14.120 --> 02:34:16.959
markers and biomarkers within people's

02:34:17.040 --> 02:34:18.719
urine and blood

02:34:18.799 --> 02:34:21.360
and I think it's uh acceptable for

02:34:21.440 --> 02:34:23.040
people within our community to be

02:34:23.120 --> 02:34:25.120
informed and to be communicated with

02:34:25.200 --> 02:34:27.600
about where those risks may or may not

02:34:27.680 --> 02:34:28.600
exist

02:34:28.680 --> 02:34:31.280
particularly given that other councils

02:34:31.360 --> 02:34:34.000
seem to very easily

02:34:34.079 --> 02:34:36.200
fulfill that obligation Frankston

02:34:36.280 --> 02:34:39.399
Council put signage up and they leave

02:34:39.479 --> 02:34:42.040
the signage there and to suggest someone

02:34:42.120 --> 02:34:44.040
has to run back on the third day and

02:34:44.120 --> 02:34:47.120
collect it and spend time uh doing so I

02:34:47.200 --> 02:34:49.000
think dramatizes what is a really simple

02:34:49.079 --> 02:34:52.079
process and that is using four to five

02:34:52.159 --> 02:34:54.479
dollar little core flute signs that are

02:34:54.559 --> 02:34:56.280
attached to metal brackets that they

02:34:56.360 --> 02:34:58.760
push into the grass and they collect on

02:34:58.840 --> 02:35:01.000
their next round sometimes these signs

02:35:01.079 --> 02:35:03.760
may actually be in place for several

02:35:03.840 --> 02:35:06.879
days later but they use a marker and

02:35:06.959 --> 02:35:09.639
they Mark the date range and when the

02:35:09.719 --> 02:35:12.000
spraying actually occurred

02:35:12.079 --> 02:35:14.120
I think considering that tonight council

02:35:14.200 --> 02:35:15.959
is willing to commit itself to tens of

02:35:16.040 --> 02:35:18.360
thousands of dollars to

02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:20.120
um you know do a study into someone's

02:35:20.200 --> 02:35:22.840
home yet when it comes to a matter of

02:35:22.920 --> 02:35:26.440
public health and well-being people are

02:35:26.520 --> 02:35:27.959
quibbling over

02:35:28.040 --> 02:35:30.959
what is four or five dollar signage at

02:35:31.040 --> 02:35:32.680
multiple locations throughout the city

02:35:32.760 --> 02:35:35.280
uh that in many instances can be reused

02:35:35.360 --> 02:35:38.559
and thinking that it's a momentous task

02:35:38.639 --> 02:35:40.280
for staff to Simply pick up and remove

02:35:40.360 --> 02:35:42.479
the signs days later or even a week

02:35:42.559 --> 02:35:44.760
later when they're back at that Reserve

02:35:44.840 --> 02:35:48.000
mowing uh trimming vegetation or doing

02:35:48.079 --> 02:35:50.840
whatever may be required I think tries

02:35:50.920 --> 02:35:52.840
to distract from the simple issue that

02:35:52.920 --> 02:35:54.760
maybe the council doesn't want the

02:35:54.840 --> 02:35:56.680
community to know that they went back on

02:35:56.760 --> 02:35:58.600
that major publicity campaign that

02:35:58.680 --> 02:36:00.600
Council committed to years ago about

02:36:00.680 --> 02:36:03.799
phasing out glyphosate and people are

02:36:03.879 --> 02:36:05.360
not wanting this to be a front of Mind

02:36:05.440 --> 02:36:07.600
issue I will be supporting the motion

02:36:07.680 --> 02:36:10.200
thank you Mr Mayor thanks councilor I

02:36:10.280 --> 02:36:12.639
just looking for a procedural motion

02:36:12.719 --> 02:36:17.360
first just to extend uh the debate so

02:36:17.440 --> 02:36:19.719
20 councils

02:36:19.799 --> 02:36:22.559
thank you Council sticker so to move the

02:36:22.639 --> 02:36:24.360
meeting be extended for 30 minutes until

02:36:24.440 --> 02:36:26.559
10 30.

02:36:26.639 --> 02:36:30.280
moved councilor stagos

02:36:30.360 --> 02:36:34.360
seconded Council Davey Burns

02:36:35.399 --> 02:36:39.639
just get that up

02:36:40.840 --> 02:36:43.840
foreign

02:36:49.360 --> 02:36:52.200
Council Davey Burns I don't believe this

02:36:52.280 --> 02:36:54.040
requires debate so I'll just put that to

02:36:54.120 --> 02:36:57.360
the vote all those in favour

02:36:57.959 --> 02:37:00.840
declare that carried

02:37:02.600 --> 02:37:04.760
councilor

02:37:04.840 --> 02:37:07.200
thank you Mr Mayor I don't see any issue

02:37:07.280 --> 02:37:10.280
with the motion uh let's for example

02:37:10.360 --> 02:37:13.280
putting some cheap coffee has canceled

02:37:13.360 --> 02:37:16.680
Eden mentioned four or five bucks cheap

02:37:16.760 --> 02:37:18.799
car fluids so maybe put a Kyoko on there

02:37:18.879 --> 02:37:20.840
and then we never need to update the

02:37:20.920 --> 02:37:23.799
signs whenever the spray is done and

02:37:23.879 --> 02:37:25.440
somebody can log on to the website and

02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:28.559
updates the dates so some somewhere if

02:37:28.639 --> 02:37:30.959
the residence wants the information work

02:37:31.040 --> 02:37:33.639
pass they can scan the code and find out

02:37:33.719 --> 02:37:35.920
whatever information on the website so

02:37:36.000 --> 02:37:38.559
five bucks for a sign and then get it

02:37:38.639 --> 02:37:40.079
done you never need to change the sign

02:37:40.159 --> 02:37:43.200
thank you councilwa

02:37:43.280 --> 02:37:45.639
to any other councilors have any

02:37:45.719 --> 02:37:49.200
wish to speak to this item

02:37:49.840 --> 02:37:52.000
I'll ask Council Oxley she wishes to

02:37:52.079 --> 02:37:53.959
close

02:37:54.040 --> 02:37:55.760
thank you

02:37:55.840 --> 02:37:56.920
um

02:37:57.000 --> 02:37:59.280
yeah I've Council heart what a what a

02:37:59.360 --> 02:38:01.559
great idea a way to reduce the cost

02:38:01.639 --> 02:38:03.600
still give people that opportunity to

02:38:03.680 --> 02:38:05.319
make their own choices and I think

02:38:05.399 --> 02:38:07.280
that's what this comes down to I think

02:38:07.360 --> 02:38:08.799
Council Staples tried to suggest that we

02:38:08.879 --> 02:38:10.239
were rehashing a debate about whether we

02:38:10.319 --> 02:38:12.000
use glyphosate or whether it was safe or

02:38:12.079 --> 02:38:14.680
not I've certainly got my own view on

02:38:14.760 --> 02:38:16.360
that and my own view on whether Council

02:38:16.440 --> 02:38:17.639
should be using glyphosate but

02:38:17.719 --> 02:38:19.479
nevertheless Council decided to return

02:38:19.559 --> 02:38:22.120
to using glyphosate and whilst we try to

02:38:22.200 --> 02:38:23.559
say we don't use glyphosate in

02:38:23.639 --> 02:38:25.440
playgrounds or we don't use glycosate in

02:38:25.520 --> 02:38:28.000
high traffic areas the reality is that

02:38:28.079 --> 02:38:30.760
we do use glyphosate in our Parks we do

02:38:30.840 --> 02:38:33.120
use glyphosate along our paths we do use

02:38:33.200 --> 02:38:35.280
glyphosate even around some of our dog

02:38:35.360 --> 02:38:37.200
parks and I think some of the

02:38:37.280 --> 02:38:40.600
suggestions that um whoever is actually

02:38:40.680 --> 02:38:43.280
spraying our glyphosate make to

02:38:43.360 --> 02:38:44.600
Residents

02:38:44.680 --> 02:38:47.200
sometimes we don't use glyphosate in

02:38:47.280 --> 02:38:50.319
some of those areas but our staff are

02:38:50.399 --> 02:38:53.280
saying we do and I think that's where

02:38:53.360 --> 02:38:55.959
I'm struggling with this in terms of we

02:38:56.040 --> 02:38:57.159
need to be giving residents the right

02:38:57.239 --> 02:38:59.040
information and this is a way of doing

02:38:59.120 --> 02:38:59.799
that

02:38:59.879 --> 02:39:01.079
we need to be giving residents

02:39:01.159 --> 02:39:02.440
information for them to be able to make

02:39:02.520 --> 02:39:04.360
their own choices if we've made the

02:39:04.440 --> 02:39:05.280
decision that we're going to spray

02:39:05.360 --> 02:39:07.120
glycosate

02:39:07.200 --> 02:39:09.159
and if we want to continue to do that as

02:39:09.239 --> 02:39:10.840
a council because it's an effective way

02:39:10.920 --> 02:39:12.479
of managing weeds or it's cost effective

02:39:12.559 --> 02:39:14.520
or however we want to look at it

02:39:14.600 --> 02:39:15.959
we need to be giving residents that

02:39:16.040 --> 02:39:18.280
information so that they can make their

02:39:18.360 --> 02:39:19.760
own risk assessment

02:39:19.840 --> 02:39:21.399
because we don't publish our risk

02:39:21.479 --> 02:39:24.000
assessments when we spray glyphosate I'm

02:39:24.079 --> 02:39:25.680
yet to see a risk assessment of when we

02:39:25.760 --> 02:39:28.200
spray glyphosate which was I think a

02:39:28.280 --> 02:39:30.040
condition of us actually moving back to

02:39:30.120 --> 02:39:32.040
glyphosate so I would like to probably

02:39:32.120 --> 02:39:34.840
see those moving forward but we need to

02:39:34.920 --> 02:39:37.200
give residents that information

02:39:37.280 --> 02:39:39.360
I'm not sure that printing a couple of

02:39:39.440 --> 02:39:41.440
signs and putting them up and having an

02:39:41.520 --> 02:39:42.799
officer collect it next time they're in

02:39:42.879 --> 02:39:44.639
the area

02:39:44.719 --> 02:39:46.879
is such a hard task

02:39:46.959 --> 02:39:49.079
and I'm just confused as to why that's

02:39:49.159 --> 02:39:51.959
the issue here when we have them

02:39:52.040 --> 02:39:54.600
replenish our dog pre-bagged expenses

02:39:54.680 --> 02:39:56.360
they do that

02:39:56.440 --> 02:39:57.799
what's the issue in just picking up a

02:39:57.879 --> 02:39:58.959
sign and taking it with you when you do

02:39:59.040 --> 02:39:59.920
that

02:40:00.000 --> 02:40:02.079
it just we're just making them out and

02:40:02.159 --> 02:40:04.079
out of a mole hill to give residents

02:40:04.159 --> 02:40:06.200
some basic information

02:40:06.280 --> 02:40:07.879
I'd hope that we can support this this

02:40:07.959 --> 02:40:09.799
evening thank you thank you councilor

02:40:09.879 --> 02:40:11.200
Oxley

02:40:11.280 --> 02:40:12.879
Council reading is your hand still up

02:40:12.959 --> 02:40:14.680
from earlier or are you asking a

02:40:14.760 --> 02:40:16.920
question

02:40:18.200 --> 02:40:20.319
I was just going to ask a quick question

02:40:20.399 --> 02:40:23.639
okay I just unfortunately because we

02:40:23.719 --> 02:40:26.719
close to bed I can't ask questions at

02:40:26.799 --> 02:40:28.079
the moment we're going to go to a vote I

02:40:28.159 --> 02:40:29.840
was just confirming if that was

02:40:29.920 --> 02:40:31.840
remaining up

02:40:31.920 --> 02:40:35.639
so I'll put that to the vote

02:40:35.719 --> 02:40:38.559
all those in favour

02:40:38.639 --> 02:40:41.040
all those against

02:40:41.120 --> 02:40:44.040
all those abstaining

02:40:44.120 --> 02:40:47.680
I declare that lost

02:40:47.760 --> 02:40:49.440
a division has been called which

02:40:49.520 --> 02:40:51.520
requires all those voting for the motion

02:40:51.600 --> 02:40:53.280
to please stand or raise your hands if

02:40:53.360 --> 02:40:55.000
you're on screen

02:40:55.079 --> 02:40:59.120
is councilor Oxley councilor Eden

02:40:59.200 --> 02:41:01.280
Council Cochran councilor Howe Council

02:41:01.360 --> 02:41:02.200
hire

02:41:02.280 --> 02:41:06.000
all those voting against to please stand

02:41:06.079 --> 02:41:08.559
councilor Davies councilor Beasley

02:41:08.639 --> 02:41:10.680
Council State Glass and myself

02:41:10.760 --> 02:41:12.719
and all those abstaining to please stand

02:41:12.799 --> 02:41:16.280
uh councilor Debbie Burns councilor Hill

02:41:16.360 --> 02:41:18.200
I declare that

02:41:18.280 --> 02:41:20.840
lost

02:41:23.280 --> 02:41:28.360
thank you we'll move on to item 13.3

02:41:28.440 --> 02:41:31.559
notice of motion number 24 2023 Heritage

02:41:31.639 --> 02:41:35.079
interim control delegations thank you

02:41:35.159 --> 02:41:37.079
Council Oxley thank you I'd like to move

02:41:37.159 --> 02:41:39.520
the motion as it appears thank you

02:41:39.600 --> 02:41:42.200
seconded

02:41:42.799 --> 02:41:46.719
uh councilor Howe

02:41:46.799 --> 02:41:49.440
thank you

02:41:49.840 --> 02:41:53.120
Council Oxley thank you um just before I

02:41:53.200 --> 02:41:55.600
begin speaking to the motion

02:41:55.680 --> 02:41:57.200
um I would just like to ask through you

02:41:57.280 --> 02:41:58.719
to the relevant officer who I'm assuming

02:41:58.799 --> 02:42:00.959
would be Mr Goodman

02:42:01.040 --> 02:42:04.079
um in item 8.2 this evening Mr Goodman

02:42:04.159 --> 02:42:08.559
outlined a timeline of the particular

02:42:08.639 --> 02:42:11.280
application and in particular the

02:42:11.360 --> 02:42:14.559
interim controls and the timeline as to

02:42:14.639 --> 02:42:16.840
how that sort of worked

02:42:16.920 --> 02:42:20.280
um just the question I'd like to ask is

02:42:20.360 --> 02:42:23.799
at what point was Council then involved

02:42:23.879 --> 02:42:26.360
and by Council I mean this Council

02:42:26.440 --> 02:42:29.120
decision making Forum was counsel

02:42:29.200 --> 02:42:31.239
involved in

02:42:31.319 --> 02:42:33.000
the application of those interim

02:42:33.079 --> 02:42:34.120
controls

02:42:34.200 --> 02:42:35.680
thank you and it's a loaded question I

02:42:35.760 --> 02:42:37.719
acknowledge that thank you councilor

02:42:37.799 --> 02:42:39.000
Oxley I'll drag that through domestic

02:42:39.079 --> 02:42:40.000
equipment

02:42:40.079 --> 02:42:41.840
through you Mr Mayor perhaps I can

02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:44.280
unload it with my answer

02:42:44.360 --> 02:42:45.520
um

02:42:45.600 --> 02:42:47.120
Council

02:42:47.200 --> 02:42:51.159
the offices if your references to item

02:42:51.239 --> 02:42:52.959
8.2 to nine

02:42:53.040 --> 02:42:55.440
we're exercising a delegation that was

02:42:55.520 --> 02:42:58.280
provided for that is described I think

02:42:58.360 --> 02:43:00.360
in the guidance note

02:43:00.440 --> 02:43:03.399
the decision was made to introduce the

02:43:03.479 --> 02:43:04.959
interim controls

02:43:05.040 --> 02:43:07.719
under a delegation that the fort my

02:43:07.799 --> 02:43:09.479
Council provided us and that's

02:43:09.559 --> 02:43:12.399
reinforced to think under point two of

02:43:12.479 --> 02:43:16.120
the motion of June my recollection at

02:43:16.200 --> 02:43:18.799
the time mindful it was lodged the

02:43:18.879 --> 02:43:20.840
demolition three days before the

02:43:20.920 --> 02:43:23.319
Christmas break was that we made effort

02:43:23.399 --> 02:43:24.440
to

02:43:24.520 --> 02:43:27.159
notify the ward council and the mayor

02:43:27.239 --> 02:43:29.360
over that period I can't say exactly

02:43:29.440 --> 02:43:30.200
when

02:43:30.280 --> 02:43:32.799
but the exercise of making the decision

02:43:32.879 --> 02:43:35.520
to apply the control because the

02:43:35.600 --> 02:43:37.200
building would otherwise have likely

02:43:37.280 --> 02:43:40.239
been demolished it was done pursuant to

02:43:40.319 --> 02:43:41.360
part two

02:43:41.440 --> 02:43:44.680
of them

02:43:44.760 --> 02:43:48.120
of the resolution of the 22nd of June

02:43:48.200 --> 02:43:50.360
2020 and for the councilors who weren't

02:43:50.440 --> 02:43:51.879
on the council

02:43:51.959 --> 02:43:54.479
in that former Council

02:43:54.559 --> 02:43:57.719
that was done for memory because prior

02:43:57.799 --> 02:44:01.200
to that resolution we unfortunately lost

02:44:01.280 --> 02:44:03.000
a Heritage Place

02:44:03.079 --> 02:44:06.360
in aspendale because we were too slow to

02:44:06.440 --> 02:44:08.559
seek an interim control and the building

02:44:08.639 --> 02:44:10.559
was unfortunately removed which I think

02:44:10.639 --> 02:44:12.639
led the council to the process that's

02:44:12.719 --> 02:44:16.600
described in that guidance Zone

02:44:17.120 --> 02:44:20.040
thank you Mr Goodman Council Oxley thank

02:44:20.120 --> 02:44:20.920
you

02:44:21.000 --> 02:44:21.639
um

02:44:21.719 --> 02:44:23.319
what I really wanted to speak to this

02:44:23.399 --> 02:44:25.000
evening

02:44:25.079 --> 02:44:27.520
was a process that we follow

02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:29.440
that I think is probably intrinsically

02:44:29.520 --> 02:44:32.799
unfair and not by

02:44:32.879 --> 02:44:35.639
design I think of council but I think

02:44:35.719 --> 02:44:38.319
from what we've learned in this process

02:44:38.399 --> 02:44:39.879
in having

02:44:39.959 --> 02:44:42.799
officers go through delegations

02:44:42.879 --> 02:44:46.680
to apply interim controls to a property

02:44:46.760 --> 02:44:49.680
then have a planning scheme Amendment

02:44:49.760 --> 02:44:51.639
for the permanent controls come to

02:44:51.719 --> 02:44:54.479
council and whilst we obviously saw

02:44:54.559 --> 02:44:56.680
whatever happened with that decision

02:44:56.760 --> 02:44:58.600
this evening

02:44:58.680 --> 02:45:01.760
we've had issues in the past where

02:45:01.840 --> 02:45:05.920
Council have then decided to not proceed

02:45:06.000 --> 02:45:09.159
in going to panel or to not proceed in

02:45:09.239 --> 02:45:11.680
then putting permanent controls on a

02:45:11.760 --> 02:45:13.280
place that we have put interim controls

02:45:13.360 --> 02:45:15.719
on as an organization not as a council

02:45:15.799 --> 02:45:17.879
but as an organization

02:45:17.959 --> 02:45:21.360
where I have an issue with that is

02:45:21.440 --> 02:45:23.920
for Council to proceed to put on

02:45:24.000 --> 02:45:25.719
Heritage controls on a property and

02:45:25.799 --> 02:45:27.879
permanent Heritage controls

02:45:27.959 --> 02:45:31.559
a decision comes to council

02:45:31.639 --> 02:45:33.639
what we are doing is putting interim

02:45:33.719 --> 02:45:35.440
controls on properties

02:45:35.520 --> 02:45:37.959
and I I understand to some extent the

02:45:38.040 --> 02:45:40.079
reasoning why in terms of protecting

02:45:40.159 --> 02:45:41.559
Heritage places

02:45:41.639 --> 02:45:44.639
but when we have the ability to consult

02:45:44.719 --> 02:45:45.959
with residents

02:45:46.040 --> 02:45:48.200
when we have the ability to call special

02:45:48.280 --> 02:45:51.000
Council meetings with a very short time

02:45:51.079 --> 02:45:54.879
frame if something is urgent

02:45:54.959 --> 02:45:57.600
I don't think this is a process

02:45:57.680 --> 02:45:59.520
that is

02:45:59.600 --> 02:46:01.000
Fair

02:46:01.079 --> 02:46:03.520
I don't think that this is a process

02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:07.200
that allows Community consultation

02:46:07.280 --> 02:46:09.360
and by Community consultation I don't

02:46:09.440 --> 02:46:10.719
necessarily mean the broader Community

02:46:10.799 --> 02:46:12.959
but even with the person who these

02:46:13.040 --> 02:46:16.120
interim controls are going to affect

02:46:16.200 --> 02:46:18.360
and a process that doesn't even involve

02:46:18.440 --> 02:46:20.520
counsel

02:46:20.600 --> 02:46:23.280
and where I get just that little bit

02:46:23.360 --> 02:46:24.639
concerned

02:46:24.719 --> 02:46:26.360
and it's happened with me in the past

02:46:26.440 --> 02:46:28.559
with any of these in my ward

02:46:28.639 --> 02:46:32.319
is that we're having that

02:46:32.399 --> 02:46:33.760
not necessarily going to call it

02:46:33.840 --> 02:46:35.639
consultation but we're having that

02:46:35.719 --> 02:46:37.079
interaction with the ward council and

02:46:37.159 --> 02:46:38.360
the mayor

02:46:38.440 --> 02:46:40.000
to basically say hey this is what we

02:46:40.079 --> 02:46:41.319
think of doing

02:46:41.399 --> 02:46:44.360
what's your thoughts what's your opinion

02:46:44.440 --> 02:46:47.200
and I think putting all of that together

02:46:47.280 --> 02:46:48.879
is a process I'm not overly comfortable

02:46:48.959 --> 02:46:50.079
with

02:46:50.159 --> 02:46:51.760
and putting all of that together given

02:46:51.840 --> 02:46:53.040
that decision was made by the past

02:46:53.120 --> 02:46:54.280
Council

02:46:54.360 --> 02:46:56.360
is also not a process I'm overly

02:46:56.440 --> 02:46:58.000
comfortable with

02:46:58.079 --> 02:47:00.520
given that we expend so much of

02:47:00.600 --> 02:47:04.200
council's funds so much of Officer time

02:47:04.280 --> 02:47:06.600
in the use of interim controls when

02:47:06.680 --> 02:47:07.840
Council may not even want to go down

02:47:07.920 --> 02:47:10.200
that path to begin with

02:47:10.280 --> 02:47:12.120
so I think this is a process we need to

02:47:12.200 --> 02:47:13.079
review

02:47:13.159 --> 02:47:15.200
I'm not asking us in this motion to

02:47:15.280 --> 02:47:17.840
change this process

02:47:17.920 --> 02:47:20.280
all I'm asking is to give consideration

02:47:20.360 --> 02:47:22.479
to these four dot points

02:47:22.559 --> 02:47:25.079
and I note in the officer advice that

02:47:25.159 --> 02:47:26.680
there are other things that they're also

02:47:26.760 --> 02:47:28.360
considering as part of a report that

02:47:28.440 --> 02:47:29.680
they were planning to bring back as part

02:47:29.760 --> 02:47:32.200
of our heritage review

02:47:32.280 --> 02:47:34.079
the reason why I'd like this considered

02:47:34.159 --> 02:47:35.639
this evening is I have asked for this a

02:47:35.719 --> 02:47:37.120
few times for us to consider this

02:47:37.200 --> 02:47:39.200
because we do get these applications

02:47:39.280 --> 02:47:41.200
come to us from time to time

02:47:41.280 --> 02:47:43.600
and I think this Council needs to review

02:47:43.680 --> 02:47:47.040
that process before we do this again

02:47:47.120 --> 02:47:50.200
we might decide after this report that

02:47:50.280 --> 02:47:51.760
we actually we're really happy with the

02:47:51.840 --> 02:47:52.959
delegations and we're really happy with

02:47:53.040 --> 02:47:55.000
this process

02:47:55.079 --> 02:47:57.719
but I think it's time we review it and I

02:47:57.799 --> 02:47:59.520
think all four of those points need to

02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:01.239
be included

02:48:01.319 --> 02:48:03.159
not just an officer report that was

02:48:03.239 --> 02:48:04.879
planning to come back to us which may

02:48:04.959 --> 02:48:06.639
have included some if not all and

02:48:06.719 --> 02:48:08.280
they're the words of advice that we're

02:48:08.360 --> 02:48:09.120
given

02:48:09.200 --> 02:48:12.600
of the points that were included in this

02:48:12.680 --> 02:48:14.040
if officers are bringing back that

02:48:14.120 --> 02:48:16.000
report I see no harm in those four

02:48:16.079 --> 02:48:18.200
points being included and would ask for

02:48:18.280 --> 02:48:20.719
your support this evening

02:48:20.799 --> 02:48:23.639
thank you Council Oxley

02:48:23.719 --> 02:48:26.639
councilor Howe

02:48:26.719 --> 02:48:28.440
your reserve

02:48:28.520 --> 02:48:30.159
do any other councilors wish to speak to

02:48:30.239 --> 02:48:32.440
this

02:48:33.520 --> 02:48:36.000
Council Eden

02:48:36.079 --> 02:48:39.200
uh yes thank you Mr Mayor I think this

02:48:39.280 --> 02:48:41.360
report would allow Council to get some

02:48:41.440 --> 02:48:44.040
information to really review whether or

02:48:44.120 --> 02:48:46.239
not we feel that the current process is

02:48:46.319 --> 02:48:48.520
adequate and in the best interests of

02:48:48.600 --> 02:48:50.879
the people that we represent and

02:48:50.959 --> 02:48:52.719
listening to some of the comments that

02:48:52.799 --> 02:48:54.360
were made tonight and that were also

02:48:54.440 --> 02:48:55.680
made at the prior meeting where we

02:48:55.760 --> 02:48:57.719
debated the same item

02:48:57.799 --> 02:49:01.000
there were comments uh that effectively

02:49:01.079 --> 02:49:03.360
said well we've already started this

02:49:03.440 --> 02:49:04.360
process

02:49:04.440 --> 02:49:07.680
so we're obligated to continue it and I

02:49:07.760 --> 02:49:10.760
feel as though that really puts the

02:49:10.840 --> 02:49:12.799
council in a bit of a position where

02:49:12.879 --> 02:49:14.440
we're saying to the community that we're

02:49:14.520 --> 02:49:17.040
going down a process simply because it's

02:49:17.120 --> 02:49:19.840
been started not because it's actually

02:49:19.920 --> 02:49:21.959
what council and the community had

02:49:22.040 --> 02:49:25.239
wanted in the first instance now we saw

02:49:25.319 --> 02:49:27.520
one month at the council turn around and

02:49:27.600 --> 02:49:28.879
said they don't support moving forward

02:49:28.959 --> 02:49:30.360
with it and then the next month the

02:49:30.440 --> 02:49:32.200
council decides to fully move ahead with

02:49:32.280 --> 02:49:34.719
it so I think if we were to break that

02:49:34.799 --> 02:49:36.799
down and to really look at what's

02:49:36.879 --> 02:49:39.280
actually happened people changed their

02:49:39.360 --> 02:49:41.360
mind month to month

02:49:41.440 --> 02:49:44.079
um based on discussions that may occur

02:49:44.159 --> 02:49:46.840
in between and I think for the

02:49:46.920 --> 02:49:48.520
individuals that are subjected to an

02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:50.559
interim and they potentially get an

02:49:50.639 --> 02:49:52.000
outcome where a council turns around and

02:49:52.079 --> 02:49:53.120
says well we're not going ahead with the

02:49:53.200 --> 02:49:55.000
interest in the next month they're told

02:49:55.079 --> 02:49:57.000
no we are going ahead with her

02:49:57.079 --> 02:50:00.120
I think really causes a huge amount of

02:50:00.200 --> 02:50:03.159
undue stress for those residents it also

02:50:03.239 --> 02:50:05.559
makes it incredibly hard for them to

02:50:05.639 --> 02:50:06.719
prepare

02:50:06.799 --> 02:50:08.799
because we heard from Mr Goodman earlier

02:50:08.879 --> 02:50:11.079
that the planning panel may come and we

02:50:11.159 --> 02:50:13.200
may even have reports back

02:50:13.280 --> 02:50:16.760
uh before this Council this year

02:50:16.840 --> 02:50:19.079
and if you're an ordinary resident who

02:50:19.159 --> 02:50:22.280
doesn't have the substantial resources

02:50:22.360 --> 02:50:24.399
that the council does

02:50:24.479 --> 02:50:26.200
so I have to turn around in such a short

02:50:26.280 --> 02:50:27.879
period of time

02:50:27.959 --> 02:50:30.719
to go and engage experts potentially if

02:50:30.799 --> 02:50:32.719
you want to be represented spend tens of

02:50:32.799 --> 02:50:34.479
thousands of dollars to have your case

02:50:34.559 --> 02:50:35.920
put forward

02:50:36.000 --> 02:50:37.680
I think is something the council should

02:50:37.760 --> 02:50:40.760
seriously consider and determine very

02:50:40.840 --> 02:50:43.280
early on in the Peaks and I think for us

02:50:43.360 --> 02:50:45.360
to really reconsider that process and to

02:50:45.440 --> 02:50:46.879
determine if we're

02:50:46.959 --> 02:50:50.639
doing right in terms of our treatment of

02:50:50.719 --> 02:50:53.319
the residents and that's whether or not

02:50:53.399 --> 02:50:55.000
you love Heritage and you're a

02:50:55.079 --> 02:50:57.520
ambassador of Heritage or you're

02:50:57.600 --> 02:50:59.920
somebody that dislikes Heritage this is

02:51:00.000 --> 02:51:01.879
about I think common decency and really

02:51:01.959 --> 02:51:03.959
looking at the process and how that can

02:51:04.040 --> 02:51:05.360
impact the mental health of people

02:51:05.440 --> 02:51:07.200
within our community

02:51:07.280 --> 02:51:09.879
and that uncertainty I think would

02:51:09.959 --> 02:51:12.000
horrify anyone that was subjected to it

02:51:12.079 --> 02:51:13.719
you know one month you've got officers

02:51:13.799 --> 02:51:15.200
saying we've started a process and we're

02:51:15.280 --> 02:51:17.079
going ahead with it the next month

02:51:17.159 --> 02:51:19.200
Council says no we're not doing it

02:51:19.280 --> 02:51:20.799
and then the next month you're told hey

02:51:20.879 --> 02:51:22.079
the exact same thing is just going to be

02:51:22.159 --> 02:51:23.799
debated again conversations have

02:51:23.879 --> 02:51:25.360
occurred between the two meetings and

02:51:25.440 --> 02:51:26.920
now you might get a totally different

02:51:27.000 --> 02:51:29.440
outcome I don't ever want to see this

02:51:29.520 --> 02:51:32.440
Council subject any Resident to that

02:51:32.520 --> 02:51:34.600
level of uncertainty and flip-flopping

02:51:34.680 --> 02:51:36.879
again so I hope that a report could come

02:51:36.959 --> 02:51:39.760
back that could address that amongst the

02:51:39.840 --> 02:51:41.280
other points that are listed there and

02:51:41.360 --> 02:51:43.600
the support that we can give people to

02:51:43.680 --> 02:51:45.959
be fully informed through this to have

02:51:46.040 --> 02:51:48.200
certainty to understand the process and

02:51:48.280 --> 02:51:52.079
for Council to be uh very clear in what

02:51:52.159 --> 02:51:54.600
they intend to do rather than changing

02:51:54.680 --> 02:51:56.200
month to month and going through that

02:51:56.280 --> 02:51:59.280
undue risk for residents thank you thank

02:51:59.360 --> 02:52:02.680
you councilor Eden councilor bearsley

02:52:02.760 --> 02:52:06.159
thank you Mr Mayor I'd just like to draw

02:52:06.239 --> 02:52:08.120
councilor's attention to our guidance

02:52:08.200 --> 02:52:10.760
note on this particular matter it says

02:52:10.840 --> 02:52:12.760
officers are currently finalizing a

02:52:12.840 --> 02:52:14.520
report to Council in relation to the

02:52:14.600 --> 02:52:16.239
findings of stage one of the Kingston

02:52:16.319 --> 02:52:18.799
Heritage review this report will be

02:52:18.879 --> 02:52:20.280
presented to council through the

02:52:20.360 --> 02:52:22.719
September meeting cycle and will provide

02:52:22.799 --> 02:52:25.079
a refined process for protecting

02:52:25.159 --> 02:52:27.200
potentially significant Heritage places

02:52:27.280 --> 02:52:30.200
for Council endorsement it is felt that

02:52:30.280 --> 02:52:33.040
the report scheduled to be provided to

02:52:33.120 --> 02:52:35.520
Council in September would cover the

02:52:35.600 --> 02:52:37.559
items identified in this notice of

02:52:37.639 --> 02:52:39.200
motion so if the Mover and the secondary

02:52:39.280 --> 02:52:41.520
would agree to this I think we just say

02:52:41.600 --> 02:52:44.360
we thank the officers for preparing the

02:52:44.440 --> 02:52:46.440
report they're currently preparing and

02:52:46.520 --> 02:52:48.200
we look forward to seeing it in

02:52:48.280 --> 02:52:50.639
September

02:52:50.719 --> 02:52:54.959
do the Mover in the second to agreed

02:52:55.280 --> 02:52:56.680
to that you're going to get it what

02:52:56.760 --> 02:52:58.200
you're asking for here so let's just

02:52:58.280 --> 02:52:59.559
thank the officers because they're

02:52:59.639 --> 02:53:02.200
getting it ready

02:53:05.280 --> 02:53:08.840
thank you councilor besley

02:53:08.920 --> 02:53:10.280
do any other councilors wish to speak

02:53:10.360 --> 02:53:12.600
discounts yes thank you

02:53:12.680 --> 02:53:14.559
um look what are the points that I'll

02:53:14.639 --> 02:53:15.600
make

02:53:15.680 --> 02:53:19.120
um is that the last Council and for

02:53:19.200 --> 02:53:21.159
those of us who are on the last Council

02:53:21.239 --> 02:53:25.280
might I remind those councilors that we

02:53:25.360 --> 02:53:27.479
did have several motions

02:53:27.559 --> 02:53:31.200
that have led us to this point

02:53:31.280 --> 02:53:35.079
um and those motions as outlined in the

02:53:35.159 --> 02:53:36.680
officer advice

02:53:36.760 --> 02:53:41.040
started on the 20 started on the four

02:53:41.120 --> 02:53:44.559
24th of February in 2020. there was a

02:53:44.639 --> 02:53:47.920
follow-up Motion in April 2020 and there

02:53:48.000 --> 02:53:51.280
was another one on the 22nd of June and

02:53:51.360 --> 02:53:52.559
from memory

02:53:52.639 --> 02:53:55.280
they were all supported unanimously

02:53:55.360 --> 02:53:57.680
there was not one division

02:53:57.760 --> 02:54:00.280
Council was at one

02:54:00.360 --> 02:54:04.280
we've all uh all of the councilors have

02:54:04.360 --> 02:54:06.280
led us to this point

02:54:06.360 --> 02:54:09.760
we have work that needs to be done

02:54:09.840 --> 02:54:12.639
because our

02:54:12.719 --> 02:54:14.559
our heritage

02:54:14.639 --> 02:54:16.559
is counting on it

02:54:16.639 --> 02:54:19.959
now one of the things that I know is

02:54:20.040 --> 02:54:21.639
that it's not going to be an easy

02:54:21.719 --> 02:54:22.959
process

02:54:23.040 --> 02:54:25.760
but what's not what is what is going to

02:54:25.840 --> 02:54:30.040
be harder is failing at the first hurdle

02:54:30.120 --> 02:54:33.360
and that is what I think something is

02:54:33.440 --> 02:54:36.200
being really what's being proposed is

02:54:36.280 --> 02:54:38.079
that this whole process is being

02:54:38.159 --> 02:54:40.719
sabotaged before it's even being started

02:54:40.799 --> 02:54:42.799
and that's what's happening because

02:54:42.879 --> 02:54:46.200
unless we actually border

02:54:46.280 --> 02:54:48.159
point of order on what grounds and for

02:54:48.239 --> 02:54:49.879
what reason what he is saying is

02:54:49.959 --> 02:54:51.959
incorrect and defamatory by suggesting

02:54:52.040 --> 02:54:54.000
that I'm proposing something that I'm

02:54:54.079 --> 02:54:55.680
not proposing I'm proposing a rapport

02:54:55.760 --> 02:54:58.879
and he said something different

02:54:58.959 --> 02:55:01.559
what I'm concerned about in my opinion

02:55:01.639 --> 02:55:03.520
is that

02:55:03.600 --> 02:55:06.520
we are threatening to derail this whole

02:55:06.600 --> 02:55:09.639
process before it gets started by all of

02:55:09.719 --> 02:55:10.600
these

02:55:10.680 --> 02:55:12.879
negative comments that are being made

02:55:12.959 --> 02:55:15.040
whether it's about the Heritage review

02:55:15.120 --> 02:55:18.000
whether it's about 20 Questions directed

02:55:18.079 --> 02:55:20.920
to our officers on a previous item that

02:55:21.000 --> 02:55:23.319
was considered by this Council earlier

02:55:23.399 --> 02:55:26.440
tonight whether it's purporting to speak

02:55:26.520 --> 02:55:29.680
on behalf of all community members when

02:55:29.760 --> 02:55:31.479
various community members have

02:55:31.559 --> 02:55:33.799
differences of opinion about how this

02:55:33.879 --> 02:55:36.159
item these these issues should be

02:55:36.239 --> 02:55:38.520
preceded with

02:55:38.600 --> 02:55:41.440
um Council has clearly set out a process

02:55:41.520 --> 02:55:43.319
that we need to follow to protect

02:55:43.399 --> 02:55:45.600
Heritage and I don't want to see that

02:55:45.680 --> 02:55:48.600
derailed so let's

02:55:48.680 --> 02:55:51.600
stay the course and not undermine it

02:55:51.680 --> 02:55:55.879
let's be brave and see it through let's

02:55:55.959 --> 02:55:58.719
not let our experiences with other

02:55:58.799 --> 02:56:01.959
councils color our views on what's

02:56:02.040 --> 02:56:04.799
happening at Kingston

02:56:04.879 --> 02:56:07.440
thank you CouncilStaikos

02:56:07.520 --> 02:56:09.040
to any other councilors wish to spit

02:56:09.120 --> 02:56:11.159
Council Hill

02:56:11.239 --> 02:56:12.280
yes

02:56:12.360 --> 02:56:15.600
um sorry uh thank you Mr Mayor look

02:56:15.680 --> 02:56:17.639
I'll only speak

02:56:17.719 --> 02:56:19.200
in support really for the current

02:56:19.280 --> 02:56:20.559
process

02:56:20.639 --> 02:56:23.200
when I look at the motion that

02:56:23.280 --> 02:56:25.879
that was passed in June 2020 and

02:56:25.959 --> 02:56:28.440
particularly point two which simply

02:56:28.520 --> 02:56:30.680
reads Council instructor general manager

02:56:30.760 --> 02:56:33.120
Planning and Development or manager City

02:56:33.200 --> 02:56:35.040
strategy to utilize delegation to

02:56:35.120 --> 02:56:36.520
commence the planning scheme amendment

02:56:36.600 --> 02:56:39.639
to seek to apply an interim control over

02:56:39.719 --> 02:56:41.719
a property Precinct or tree in the

02:56:41.799 --> 02:56:43.200
following circumstances

02:56:43.280 --> 02:56:46.079
2.1 when the features of the subject

02:56:46.159 --> 02:56:48.239
land have been assessed by Heritage

02:56:48.319 --> 02:56:50.639
advisor or arborist to be of potential

02:56:50.719 --> 02:56:52.319
significance and warrant inclusion in

02:56:52.399 --> 02:56:55.120
the Kingston planning scheme and 2.2 and

02:56:55.200 --> 02:56:57.879
immediate threat exists that as a

02:56:57.959 --> 02:57:00.040
consequence of this uh

02:57:00.120 --> 02:57:02.399
as a consequence of a submitted planning

02:57:02.479 --> 02:57:05.840
application so I I think we know that is

02:57:05.920 --> 02:57:07.559
in fact what triggered

02:57:07.639 --> 02:57:10.440
our officers are seeking an interim

02:57:10.520 --> 02:57:14.200
control on the property in maintain that

02:57:14.280 --> 02:57:17.719
we debated this evening and I wouldn't

02:57:17.799 --> 02:57:21.280
be comfortable at all with removing that

02:57:21.360 --> 02:57:22.959
from the current process I think that's

02:57:23.040 --> 02:57:25.559
really important because the report

02:57:25.639 --> 02:57:27.239
that's going to come to us in September

02:57:27.319 --> 02:57:28.680
is somewhat different in that we've done

02:57:28.760 --> 02:57:33.879
a Heritage uh study on on many many

02:57:33.959 --> 02:57:36.520
properties in Kingston and the

02:57:36.600 --> 02:57:38.040
properties that will come to us for

02:57:38.120 --> 02:57:40.120
recommendation to to further work on

02:57:40.200 --> 02:57:42.520
will have the opportunity to do

02:57:42.600 --> 02:57:45.000
community consultation on those

02:57:45.079 --> 02:57:47.280
properties what we've got to acknowledge

02:57:47.360 --> 02:57:48.879
though that the point of difference is

02:57:48.959 --> 02:57:53.040
if we get a request for a demolition in

02:57:53.120 --> 02:57:54.600
the meantime

02:57:54.680 --> 02:57:56.520
we have to have some

02:57:56.600 --> 02:58:00.280
trigger in place in order to move and

02:58:00.360 --> 02:58:01.879
and do something to protect that

02:58:01.959 --> 02:58:03.760
property before it's lost before we even

02:58:03.840 --> 02:58:06.360
have a chance to consider whether or not

02:58:06.440 --> 02:58:09.360
it does indeed have Heritage value so I

02:58:09.440 --> 02:58:11.399
like I'm very comfortable with where the

02:58:11.479 --> 02:58:13.719
previous Council landed with this

02:58:13.799 --> 02:58:15.520
particular motion and the series of

02:58:15.600 --> 02:58:18.040
motions and you know for that reason I

02:58:18.120 --> 02:58:21.000
won't be voting in order to even really

02:58:21.079 --> 02:58:23.319
discuss a change from the existing

02:58:23.399 --> 02:58:25.600
position thank you

02:58:25.680 --> 02:58:28.120
thank you councilor Hill

02:58:28.200 --> 02:58:30.000
to any other councilors wish to speak to

02:58:30.079 --> 02:58:32.239
this

02:58:32.760 --> 02:58:36.280
Council Oxley do wish to close

02:58:36.559 --> 02:58:39.760
thank you I I think everyone got a

02:58:39.840 --> 02:58:41.920
little bit confused in that debate as to

02:58:42.000 --> 02:58:43.559
what I was actually asking for and that

02:58:43.639 --> 02:58:45.600
was a report that is supposedly already

02:58:45.680 --> 02:58:47.719
coming back the advice that I received

02:58:47.799 --> 02:58:49.120
was that that report wasn't going to

02:58:49.200 --> 02:58:52.000
include all four of those points which

02:58:52.079 --> 02:58:54.239
is why this motion still includes all

02:58:54.319 --> 02:58:55.680
four of those points and is still being

02:58:55.760 --> 02:58:58.239
moved and not withdrawn this evening I'm

02:58:58.319 --> 02:59:00.639
not trying to actually change the

02:59:00.719 --> 02:59:03.120
process and again that was suggested and

02:59:03.200 --> 02:59:05.719
probably incorrectly

02:59:05.799 --> 02:59:08.159
I'm asking for a report

02:59:08.239 --> 02:59:10.680
outlining all of those processes that we

02:59:10.760 --> 02:59:12.479
currently follow

02:59:12.559 --> 02:59:15.360
with a particular concern around

02:59:15.440 --> 02:59:18.120
consultation with a board councilor and

02:59:18.200 --> 02:59:19.360
the mayor

02:59:19.440 --> 02:59:21.280
in a delegation and planning process

02:59:21.360 --> 02:59:25.479
that does not involve the entire Council

02:59:25.559 --> 02:59:28.360
that's a serious concern of mine

02:59:28.440 --> 02:59:30.360
and they are concerns that were also

02:59:30.440 --> 02:59:32.639
raised in similar processes not Heritage

02:59:32.719 --> 02:59:35.280
processes but similar processes in the

02:59:35.360 --> 02:59:37.000
operation sand and report that was

02:59:37.079 --> 02:59:38.559
recently released

02:59:38.639 --> 02:59:40.680
and that is pre-consultation before

02:59:40.760 --> 02:59:43.360
meetings or consultation with some

02:59:43.440 --> 02:59:46.920
councilors and not all councilors

02:59:48.440 --> 02:59:50.399
so if we want to dismiss those concerns

02:59:50.479 --> 02:59:51.399
too

02:59:51.479 --> 02:59:53.319
feel free

02:59:53.399 --> 02:59:56.079
but I was not asking to change a process

02:59:56.159 --> 03:00:01.040
I was asking for us to review a process

03:00:02.399 --> 03:00:03.520
but

03:00:03.600 --> 03:00:06.120
nevertheless words construed

03:00:06.200 --> 03:00:10.879
councilors misconstruing things again

03:00:10.959 --> 03:00:13.760
probably not going to be supported

03:00:13.840 --> 03:00:16.360
but I would hope that we do get those

03:00:16.440 --> 03:00:17.920
considerations in the report that will

03:00:18.000 --> 03:00:19.079
be coming

03:00:19.159 --> 03:00:21.040
and I would hope that we would be able

03:00:21.120 --> 03:00:22.840
to consider some of those concerns and

03:00:22.920 --> 03:00:24.040
risks

03:00:24.120 --> 03:00:27.239
involved in planning processes

03:00:27.319 --> 03:00:29.559
Council Oxley

03:00:29.639 --> 03:00:31.559
I'll put this to the vote

03:00:31.639 --> 03:00:34.440
all those in favour

03:00:34.520 --> 03:00:36.879
all those against

03:00:36.959 --> 03:00:39.280
all those abstaining

03:00:39.360 --> 03:00:41.159
I'd declare that lust

03:00:41.239 --> 03:00:42.520
uh division has been called which

03:00:42.600 --> 03:00:44.840
requires all those voting for this

03:00:44.920 --> 03:00:46.360
motion to please stand or raise your

03:00:46.440 --> 03:00:48.879
hands if you are on screen

03:00:48.959 --> 03:00:52.719
that is councilor Aiden Council Oxley

03:00:52.799 --> 03:00:55.399
councilor Howe councilor

03:00:55.479 --> 03:00:58.760
all those against to please stand

03:00:58.840 --> 03:01:02.799
councilor Hill CouncilStaikos and myself

03:01:02.879 --> 03:01:05.280
all those abstaining to please stand

03:01:05.360 --> 03:01:08.559
it's councilor Davies councilor Cochran

03:01:08.639 --> 03:01:10.559
councilor bearsley and councilor Davey

03:01:10.639 --> 03:01:12.600
Burns

03:01:12.680 --> 03:01:14.719
I declare that

03:01:14.799 --> 03:01:17.280
lost

03:01:17.360 --> 03:01:19.719
we'll move on to item 13.4 notice of

03:01:19.799 --> 03:01:22.879
motion number 25 2023 Chelsea pedestrian

03:01:22.959 --> 03:01:25.479
links thank you Council Oxley

03:01:25.559 --> 03:01:27.600
move does it appears secondly councilor

03:01:27.680 --> 03:01:31.079
Paisley thank you Council Oxley

03:01:31.159 --> 03:01:32.319
thank you

03:01:32.399 --> 03:01:33.399
um

03:01:33.479 --> 03:01:36.120
because my all my

03:01:36.200 --> 03:01:38.520
the lxrp recently completed Works

03:01:38.600 --> 03:01:41.440
through Chelsea and those Works have led

03:01:41.520 --> 03:01:43.360
to what is certainly perceived by the

03:01:43.440 --> 03:01:44.719
community and I've received a lot of

03:01:44.799 --> 03:01:47.399
feedback on is that reduced pedestrian

03:01:47.479 --> 03:01:48.799
links and connections particularly

03:01:48.879 --> 03:01:50.319
across the train line between Station

03:01:50.399 --> 03:01:53.680
Street and Nepean Highway and even from

03:01:53.760 --> 03:01:56.159
the train station itself across to the

03:01:56.239 --> 03:01:57.879
main shopping strip in Nepean Highway

03:01:57.959 --> 03:02:00.879
and across to our beautiful fall shop

03:02:00.959 --> 03:02:02.079
um this is something I've heard for

03:02:02.159 --> 03:02:03.959
quite a while something that I know that

03:02:04.040 --> 03:02:05.079
we've been trying to sort of work

03:02:05.159 --> 03:02:07.120
through behind the scenes

03:02:07.200 --> 03:02:08.719
um having those sort of informal

03:02:08.799 --> 03:02:11.040
discussions with the lxrp

03:02:11.120 --> 03:02:13.200
um having those informal and somewhat

03:02:13.280 --> 03:02:14.799
formal discussions uh with the local

03:02:14.879 --> 03:02:18.280
member and we haven't really quite

03:02:18.360 --> 03:02:19.959
gotten anywhere I think to a point

03:02:20.040 --> 03:02:21.680
that's going to be acceptable for the

03:02:21.760 --> 03:02:23.719
community an acceptable outcome or

03:02:23.799 --> 03:02:26.159
response for the community which is why

03:02:26.239 --> 03:02:28.360
this is here this evening for us to look

03:02:28.440 --> 03:02:31.319
at what it is that we have already done

03:02:31.399 --> 03:02:33.360
what types of discussions and to outline

03:02:33.440 --> 03:02:34.719
that for the community so the community

03:02:34.799 --> 03:02:37.040
is on the same page as us

03:02:37.120 --> 03:02:39.399
feedback already provided from residents

03:02:39.479 --> 03:02:41.280
Traders and Community groups we've

03:02:41.360 --> 03:02:43.079
received quite a bit of it I can

03:02:43.159 --> 03:02:44.399
certainly forward all the correspondence

03:02:44.479 --> 03:02:47.719
that I've had I know that even at

03:02:47.799 --> 03:02:50.280
local events that officers have attended

03:02:50.360 --> 03:02:52.440
officers have certainly had those

03:02:52.520 --> 03:02:53.920
conversations with members of local

03:02:54.000 --> 03:02:55.760
community groups

03:02:55.840 --> 03:02:58.079
as well as looking to see if we can get

03:02:58.159 --> 03:02:59.719
some extra feedback from those groups as

03:02:59.799 --> 03:03:00.520
well

03:03:00.600 --> 03:03:02.280
um whether that be the Traders and how

03:03:02.360 --> 03:03:03.959
we can assist them in that increased

03:03:04.040 --> 03:03:06.399
pedestrian connectivity we've seen a lot

03:03:06.479 --> 03:03:09.280
of big Traders there go under recently

03:03:09.360 --> 03:03:11.200
and whether that be economic conditions

03:03:11.280 --> 03:03:13.760
or whether that actually just be people

03:03:13.840 --> 03:03:15.879
not being able to access that strip I

03:03:15.959 --> 03:03:18.600
don't know probably a combination of all

03:03:18.680 --> 03:03:20.840
of those but looking to see if we can

03:03:20.920 --> 03:03:22.239
get some feedback from those groups as

03:03:22.319 --> 03:03:24.600
well and any options that we might have

03:03:24.680 --> 03:03:27.639
for improved pedestrian connectivity I

03:03:27.719 --> 03:03:29.200
will note and I was going to amend it

03:03:29.280 --> 03:03:32.079
but I won't I will just make a a clear

03:03:32.159 --> 03:03:34.680
point to particularly one resident who's

03:03:34.760 --> 03:03:36.879
contacted me in regards to this motion

03:03:36.959 --> 03:03:39.600
this isn't about changing something to

03:03:39.680 --> 03:03:41.680
the detriment of DDA access

03:03:41.760 --> 03:03:44.040
what we're looking at is improving that

03:03:44.120 --> 03:03:46.479
pedestrian connectivity making sure that

03:03:46.559 --> 03:03:49.319
we have safe paths for those who may be

03:03:49.399 --> 03:03:52.000
disabled and making sure that we are

03:03:52.079 --> 03:03:54.760
prioritizing that DDA access this report

03:03:54.840 --> 03:03:57.040
could come back and say nope in order to

03:03:57.120 --> 03:03:59.159
prioritize that we've got it perfect

03:03:59.239 --> 03:04:01.200
exactly the way that it is and we need

03:04:01.280 --> 03:04:04.000
to potentially forego some of that abled

03:04:04.079 --> 03:04:06.159
pedestrian links

03:04:06.239 --> 03:04:08.840
I'm I don't know I'm not an expert in

03:04:08.920 --> 03:04:11.440
that field but getting that report back

03:04:11.520 --> 03:04:13.319
to council to make sure that we are

03:04:13.399 --> 03:04:14.799
listening to that Chelsea Community who

03:04:14.879 --> 03:04:16.120
have raised these concerns for a

03:04:16.200 --> 03:04:17.840
significant period of time and to make

03:04:17.920 --> 03:04:19.319
sure that we are looking at those

03:04:19.399 --> 03:04:21.799
proactive Solutions with of course that

03:04:21.879 --> 03:04:24.280
evidence-based decision-making Mr Mayor

03:04:24.360 --> 03:04:26.440
thank you Council Oxley

03:04:26.520 --> 03:04:29.600
councilor Beasley

03:04:29.920 --> 03:04:31.879
thank you Mr Mayor I have heard from

03:04:31.959 --> 03:04:34.120
residents in this area that uh

03:04:34.200 --> 03:04:36.360
pedestrian access in the Chelsea

03:04:36.440 --> 03:04:38.639
Activity Center has been difficult since

03:04:38.719 --> 03:04:41.920
the lxrp and therefore I think it is

03:04:42.000 --> 03:04:44.840
worth us researching whether there are

03:04:44.920 --> 03:04:47.280
options available just to make that

03:04:47.360 --> 03:04:50.319
connectivity for our pedestrians of

03:04:50.399 --> 03:04:52.959
Chelsea to be able to walk around the

03:04:53.040 --> 03:04:55.000
activity center see if there is anything

03:04:55.079 --> 03:04:56.719
that we can do in this and and therefore

03:04:56.799 --> 03:04:59.159
I come in this report thanks thank you

03:04:59.239 --> 03:05:01.600
councilor bursley Council stickers thank

03:05:01.680 --> 03:05:02.520
you

03:05:02.600 --> 03:05:04.879
um I did receive a communication today

03:05:04.959 --> 03:05:07.680
which I'd like to read out

03:05:07.760 --> 03:05:09.959
um my name is Damian Williams and I live

03:05:10.040 --> 03:05:11.920
on Station Street Boom Beach opposite

03:05:12.000 --> 03:05:13.440
where the other xrp works have taken

03:05:13.520 --> 03:05:16.079
place I operate a business on Nepean

03:05:16.159 --> 03:05:17.920
Highway Chelsea and have experienced up

03:05:18.000 --> 03:05:20.440
close to the works since they began I

03:05:20.520 --> 03:05:22.319
thank councilor Oxley for raising the

03:05:22.399 --> 03:05:24.520
matter of pedestrian connectivity

03:05:24.600 --> 03:05:27.040
which is of special interest to me as

03:05:27.120 --> 03:05:28.879
someone who cannot drive because of a

03:05:28.959 --> 03:05:30.120
medical condition

03:05:30.200 --> 03:05:32.520
with all due respect to officers at

03:05:32.600 --> 03:05:35.040
Kingston I submit that what has come to

03:05:35.120 --> 03:05:38.639
pass in Chelsea thanks to lxrp deserves

03:05:38.719 --> 03:05:40.680
referral to the Victorian Ombudsman for

03:05:40.760 --> 03:05:43.479
independent investigation this project

03:05:43.559 --> 03:05:45.879
is bigger and more powerful than one

03:05:45.959 --> 03:05:47.319
local Council

03:05:47.399 --> 03:05:49.719
in my opinion the death spiral that

03:05:49.799 --> 03:05:51.399
Chelsea finds itself

03:05:51.479 --> 03:05:54.520
in can be traced directly to the problem

03:05:54.600 --> 03:05:57.360
that the lxrp reported to solve the

03:05:57.440 --> 03:05:59.319
notion that level Crossings themselves

03:05:59.399 --> 03:06:01.000
were the cause of vehicle traffic

03:06:01.079 --> 03:06:04.000
congestion that justified their removal

03:06:04.079 --> 03:06:07.000
lxrp made space for cars

03:06:07.079 --> 03:06:10.440
and it forces Walkers to do three sides

03:06:10.520 --> 03:06:13.479
of the square to get anywhere

03:06:13.559 --> 03:06:17.680
Chelsea is now a drive-through Village

03:06:17.760 --> 03:06:19.760
the costs of which are becoming plainly

03:06:19.840 --> 03:06:22.120
evident to see as businesses struggle

03:06:22.200 --> 03:06:24.000
with declining foot traffic and high

03:06:24.079 --> 03:06:25.079
rents

03:06:25.159 --> 03:06:27.760
If instead identifying the problem had

03:06:27.840 --> 03:06:30.479
been entrusted to the local community by

03:06:30.559 --> 03:06:33.239
asking the questions such as how can we

03:06:33.319 --> 03:06:35.559
make it easier to travel around here

03:06:35.639 --> 03:06:38.559
without a car or how can we design our

03:06:38.639 --> 03:06:41.280
streets to create healthier community

03:06:41.360 --> 03:06:44.280
we would likely not be discussing this

03:06:44.360 --> 03:06:46.760
evening's notice of motion

03:06:46.840 --> 03:06:49.840
starting with the question starting with

03:06:49.920 --> 03:06:52.120
that question may well have identified

03:06:52.200 --> 03:06:54.879
level crossing removal as an option for

03:06:54.959 --> 03:06:56.719
better connectivity

03:06:56.799 --> 03:06:59.079
but I would submit that it would not

03:06:59.159 --> 03:07:00.479
have landed

03:07:00.559 --> 03:07:03.879
on it may not have been landed on as the

03:07:03.959 --> 03:07:05.559
first or only option

03:07:05.639 --> 03:07:08.399
Chelsea could be thriving as a walkable

03:07:08.479 --> 03:07:11.079
Community one that honors and centers

03:07:11.159 --> 03:07:14.319
people who walk roll or ride to get

03:07:14.399 --> 03:07:15.079
around

03:07:15.159 --> 03:07:18.959
businesses could be thriving because we

03:07:19.040 --> 03:07:20.680
could have a village planned around the

03:07:20.760 --> 03:07:23.040
concept of streets for people and not

03:07:23.120 --> 03:07:24.040
cars

03:07:24.120 --> 03:07:27.120
older councilors may remember that on

03:07:27.200 --> 03:07:30.879
film it was The Cars That Ate Paris in

03:07:30.959 --> 03:07:33.239
real life they are now eating Chelsea

03:07:33.319 --> 03:07:34.840
alive

03:07:34.920 --> 03:07:38.920
from the very outset the lxrp was and is

03:07:39.000 --> 03:07:41.159
a car project designed to appeal to

03:07:41.239 --> 03:07:43.319
voters who share a frustration with

03:07:43.399 --> 03:07:45.600
having to wait for a train to pass in

03:07:45.680 --> 03:07:47.680
front of them electorally it was a

03:07:47.760 --> 03:07:49.760
genius move the public interest however

03:07:49.840 --> 03:07:51.000
was

03:07:51.079 --> 03:07:53.799
not well served by this massive

03:07:53.879 --> 03:07:55.760
investment for public money

03:07:55.840 --> 03:07:58.719
sadly the result the results are now

03:07:58.799 --> 03:08:01.000
plain to see in my community which has

03:08:01.079 --> 03:08:03.479
been radically disconnected and is now

03:08:03.559 --> 03:08:05.840
worse prepared for the hot summer to

03:08:05.920 --> 03:08:08.280
come I thank Council for its attention

03:08:08.360 --> 03:08:09.680
on this matter

03:08:09.760 --> 03:08:11.200
and I'd like to ask for a quick

03:08:11.280 --> 03:08:14.280
extension please Mr Mayor

03:08:14.360 --> 03:08:17.520
I will Grant two minutes of extension

03:08:17.600 --> 03:08:19.600
just understanding I just I just wanted

03:08:19.680 --> 03:08:22.239
to quickly mention as well that I think

03:08:22.319 --> 03:08:24.479
one of the problems that we have with

03:08:24.559 --> 03:08:26.680
all of the level crossing removals in

03:08:26.760 --> 03:08:29.159
this area is that it's gone to trench

03:08:29.239 --> 03:08:31.360
and it should we should have seriously

03:08:31.440 --> 03:08:33.040
considered skyrail

03:08:33.120 --> 03:08:36.120
and where we have got Sky rails

03:08:36.200 --> 03:08:38.639
we have seen better pedestrian

03:08:38.719 --> 03:08:41.840
connectivity and Community connections

03:08:41.920 --> 03:08:44.559
it's as simple as that

03:08:44.639 --> 03:08:47.079
thank you Council Staples

03:08:47.159 --> 03:08:49.879
councilor Hal

03:08:49.959 --> 03:08:52.760
thank you and it's quite clear that

03:08:52.840 --> 03:08:55.120
we're in a cost of living crisis

03:08:55.200 --> 03:08:57.479
and it's very clear that the hospitality

03:08:57.559 --> 03:09:00.879
industry in particular

03:09:00.959 --> 03:09:04.600
has been struggling since the lockdowns

03:09:04.680 --> 03:09:07.200
and probably prior to that and in the

03:09:07.280 --> 03:09:09.879
current environment there have been a

03:09:09.959 --> 03:09:12.280
number of hospitality venues in Chelsea

03:09:12.360 --> 03:09:14.200
that have closed

03:09:14.280 --> 03:09:17.280
and that comes back to economic activity

03:09:17.360 --> 03:09:20.680
and people aren't spending their money

03:09:20.760 --> 03:09:23.040
on restaurants and cafes as they were

03:09:23.120 --> 03:09:25.559
previously this is in fact you know this

03:09:25.639 --> 03:09:26.680
is fact

03:09:26.760 --> 03:09:28.959
and I think that we're conflating a few

03:09:29.040 --> 03:09:32.200
issues here uh the Nepean highway is a

03:09:32.280 --> 03:09:34.120
state arterial

03:09:34.200 --> 03:09:36.639
it is not a local road and it was built

03:09:36.719 --> 03:09:39.399
to carry thousands of vehicles every day

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and that's what it does as to the design

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of the level crossing at Chelsea

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I believe that there's been some

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frustration with the entry and exit

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point to and from that facility and

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that's not something that's difficult to

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change at all but certainly there are

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other ways to reinvigorate the economic

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conditions locally

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in municipality and some of those can go

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to tourism and whether we want to

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promote municipality or not and others

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go to whether we want to look at what

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has been

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spoken about by Council Oxley in the

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form of the Chelsea structure plan which

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would directly influence economic

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activity in that Center

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but otherwise

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there are a number of issues that have

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been conflated tonight and the

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accessibility accessibility to and from

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that station honestly could be resolved

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in probably a month

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it's not hard to resolve we could come

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back with a plan in a month and we'd be

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able to take that forward and address

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the entry and exit points from that

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station thank you thank you councilor

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Howe

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if no other councils wish to speak on

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this I'll ask Council rocks lead to

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close Reserve I mean not Reserve sorry

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yeah

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yeah a wife thank you I'll put this to

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the vote all those in favour

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and declare that carried

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counts as I'm looking for

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oh is it

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sorry are there any items of Virgin

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business

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they're being none we'll move to item 15

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confidential items and we'll need a

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procedural motion