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wonderful thank you I will now declare

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our meeting open at 7:05

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p.m. thank you everyone for joining us

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for this last council meeting of the

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year I'll begin by recognizing our

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traditional custodians the Bunurung and

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the Bunurong People of the Kulin

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Nation it is uh wonderful to think about

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the range of Seasons that the Bunurong

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share with us there's over six of them

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and we are currently in kangaroo apple

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season which means that goanna are active

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small bats are catching insects in

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Flight Cherry ballot and Kangaroo apples

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are fruiting but most importantly I

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noted in this description of the season

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the weather is  changeable and

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very thundery which I think is quite apt

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when we think about the weather we've

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experienced over the last couple of days

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so with that I do thank and pay

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heartfelt respects to traditional

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custodians to Elders past and present

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and recognize the ongoing care for

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country and that sovereignty of that

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ceded land was never

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ceded we've reached the end of a very

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big year and there has been a lot

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contemplated by this Council and I

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wanted to share my gratitude with the

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councilors around the table for the

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immense amount of hard work uh that

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you've undertaken throughout the last 12

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months and that the year has really been

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characterized by incredible efforts to

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collaborate and put our community first

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in our decision- making and of that I'm

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incredibly proud

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of I know that um we have a number of

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officers here in the room and I would

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also like to share a heartfelt thank you

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to them for their hard work and support

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for the work that we do here in the

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council chamber I know that councilor Saab

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will speak a little bit later to the

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wonderful carols that we held last night

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so I won't steal your firework

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thunder um I will uh move to thanking

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everyone in our community who volunteers

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for their hard work over the last 12

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months as a councilor I'm incredibly

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priviledged to attend a lot of community

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events and witness firsthand the

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wonderful outcomes of so many dedicated

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volunteers and I wanted to thank you all

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personally for what you contribute to

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our wonderful City I'd also like to wish

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our whole Community a wonderful festive

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season so however you celebrate this

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festive season I hope that it is one

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full of peace happiness and time spent

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with people that you care deeply

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about as is our usual procedure the

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meeting tonight is being recorded so it

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is um being live streamed and the

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archive will be available on our website

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if you'd like to review at a later point we

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also have

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CCTV uh recording this uh chamber and

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gallery we do make our very best efforts

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to maintain privacy but you should note

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that if you are um a visitor in our

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gallery you may be

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recorded uh I'd also just like to

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encourage uh our gallery members to

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consider uh ensuring that there is no

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disruption in interjection or

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participation in the debate uh you're

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here to observe and um we very much

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welcome your attendance that also means

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that we would ask you do not use any

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photographic audio video recording

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equipment um or any other device during

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this

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meeting for accessibility purposes we do

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have IPads uh here in the gallery and

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there's close captioning available for

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members of the public who are streaming

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this meeting via the

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website so we move into our agenda we

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have no apologies this evening and it's

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just truly wonderful to see all 11

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councilors around the table thank you

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very much for joining item number two is

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confirmation of minutes of previous

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meetings councilor thank you councilor

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Staikos do we have a

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seconder thank you councilor

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Davies I'll put that matter to the vote

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all those in favour thank you 

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that's

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carried we'll move to the next agenda

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item which is the foreshadow declaration

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of any conflicts of

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interest I don't believe we have any

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conflicts of interest that have been

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noted prior to the uh meeting but if you

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would like to you're welcome to do that

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now thank you item number four is

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petitions I don't believe we've had any

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petitions submitted for this

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meeting our next item is delegate

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reports councilor statements and

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presentation of awards we don't have any

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presentations of awards this evening but

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I do believe that a number of councilors

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would like to make councilor statements

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councilors thank you councilor Staikos

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thank you thank you Mayor um I just

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wanted to make a brief statement in

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relation to the the sad passing of Mavis

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Hutter on the 23rd of November of this

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year Mavis passed away on her 82nd

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birthday and it's quite an unusual 

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event for somebody to die on their

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own birthday um but Mavis was a very

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unusual person uh she so I'd like to

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begin by of course offering uh my

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condolences to her husband Connie and to

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her daughter Lisa and to the extended

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family um Mavis was very well supported

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uh by her family in all the work that

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she did and right through to her last

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days um Mavis was a key active and a

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proud resident a proud citizen of the

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City of Kingston and of course a proud

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citizen of South Oakleigh and the Bungo

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ward which is why she was honoured uh

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which is a rare honour of a park being

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named after a living person she was a

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 a major activist on the

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issue of um odour and other

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intrusive uh concerns that were

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occurring at the time with

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landfills and um she would she was

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renowned in the community for going door

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too with petitions and informing and

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advising the community of what was

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happening and what council was doing or

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wasn't doing uh in terms of managing uh

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the issue of all the local landfills in

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the Clayton South Clarinda and um in the

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uh South Oakleigh area in fact she was so

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committed to this uh cause she even ran

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for Council on one occasion um she was

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not successful um but she um she was

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very proud to be handing out her

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pamphlets and her how to vote cards at

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the time I met Mavis uh in the leadup to

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the 2008 Council um election um and she

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um didn't take to me immediately um but

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she certainly um asked me 101 questions

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about what my views were and what I was

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going to do about the issue um but since

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then um we obviously got on like a house

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on fire

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um and Mavis would call me regularly

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with free advice um about how to be a

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good councilor and what to do um with

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the issue in fact um when she couldn't

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get to me or when she felt I was too

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busy uh she would seek out my father uh

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in either in Clarinda or in in Clayton

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and she'd pass on messages through him

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to me um the most important of which of

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course was that the playground at Mavis

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Hutter Reserve was overdue for an upgrade

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and the um the fence line between the

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Mavis Hutter Reserve and the Commonwealth Golf

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Course needed to be corrected um so when

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we opened the park a few weeks ago um

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her granddaughter came down and

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facetimed the opening live into Mavis's

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Aged Care Facility where she was able to

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watch the proceedings um and she felt

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like she could be a part of it which was

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really lovely um just to close um Mavis

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had a big impact on this Council I feel

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um and we are going to be discussing the

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Kingston Green Wedge plan and chain of parks

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later um but I know that um councilors

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from the City of Moorabbin and the City of

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Kingston both highly regarded Mavis and

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she'll be missed uh and her presence

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will be felt for years to come um

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particularly councilors Chris Katanis

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former councilor Chris Katanis from the

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City of Moorabbin Arthur Athasopolos and

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Greg Allabaster

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former councilors of the City of

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Kingston and myself um could make sure

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that we could always rely on very frank

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uh and fearless uh advice uh from Mavis

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so rest in peace Mavis you will be

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missed thank you thank you very much

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councilor Staikos for that um beautiful uh

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moving speech that you've just made and

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I'll just ask governance if we could

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just in addition to what you've noted

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there um perhaps just at the end also

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note this significant

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contributions  made and the condolences

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on behalf of the the council to her

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family with your permission councilor

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Staikos think you just felt that reflected

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what you

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said thank you very much

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governance councilors any other

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statements would like to be made this

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evening thank you councilor Saab

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thank you Madame Mayor um I just have a

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few things that I want to report on and

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make um particular note of and you

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highlighted a key one that I was going

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to speak to so I might open up with some

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really fantastic news um just to really

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firstly acknowledge and thank our events

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team for the amazing effort and all of

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the volunteers from our offices who came

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down to support the event um from ?

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through the ? Kingston  um all

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through all the volunteers for all the

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kids activities but we just hosted on

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the weekend um a hugely successful

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Kingston Carols um with I I thought it

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was around 13 to 15,000 that's a big

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jump I know but I think we're saying

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15,000 people in attendance um the

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weather held out which was fantastic and

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all I've heard is um how wonderful the

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event has been for families for kids uh

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even for young adults who attended um

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really enjoyed the event there was a

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fantastic spread of food vendors and um

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even local businesses who were offering

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up their wares and different styles of um

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services that they had um but most

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importantly how fantastic the fireworks

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display was which um really lit up the

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sky and it was a beautiful thing to see

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um and then also to hear uh Madame Mayor

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your voice in joining in the final carol

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for the evening was so beautiful as well

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so well done to all of our team that was

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fantastic um I also wanted to report on

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uh se's fantastic work the Southeast

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climate uh Southeast council's climate

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change alliance um held their last

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meeting for the year just last week um

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where we were reporting on a whole range

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of different activities and um I guess

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the direction forward for ? and

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there's going to be a big focus on uh

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the members councillors on contributing

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larger portions of uh financial support

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so that we can actually achieve larger

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scale project ideas and initiatives um

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and there was a report on that as well

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as the fact that SECCA went uh and some

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member Council l in SECCA as well as the

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administration went down to Canberra um to

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uh do a whole lot of advocacy um and

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getting some projects supported off the

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ground that was representing the 1.4

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million people that the membership

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councils of sea um represents um to some

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fantastic credit uh it seems like some

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projects are going to be well supported

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they've given us some advice as well on

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future grant opportunities so that's

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fantastic but most importantly what I

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would like to do as well is just to

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acknowledge um councilor Chris Hill who

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was just appointed the Deputy chair for

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sea for this remaining 12 months so I

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just wanted to congratulate him and well

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done I'm looking forward to all that

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you're going to provide and bring to the

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table at Sea I think it's a fantastic

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contribution that you've always made at

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Seer and I'm I'm looking forward to what

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you bring um for the remaining 12 months

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so well done um I did also just quickly

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want to touch on and again I know we've

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got a long agenda so I'll try to be

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quick um just to acknowledge um Marie

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I'm going to butcher her name I'm sorry

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Marie Van vino from the Chelsea rotary

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who reached to me in my mayoralty a

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couple of months ago um around an

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initiative that she was hoping to get

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off the grounds which is the bins for

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bles initiative um which is a

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australia-wide awareness and advocacy

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campaign on an initiative of the

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continents um by the continents

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Foundation of Australia um and I'm so

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pleased to see that this program is now

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being rolled out in Kingston and that

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started off by an idea from the Chelsea

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rotary and it looks like we are now

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rolling that out without any major

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additional changes to what we already do

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but by contacting our existing

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contractor in all of our public toilets

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um it is a huge issue it's an issue that

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affects 1.34 million Australian boys and

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men um who do live with it um so it is

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and that's it's equivalent to about by

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percentage about 8,000 um people in over

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8,000 people in Kingston so really glad

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that that's something that we are

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rolling out now um and I look forward to

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uh seeing how that progresses and taking

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the feedback back and wanted to just

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thank her for her advocacy and for

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reaching out to me as well um finally I

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just wanted to acknowledge as well this

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week we'll be celebrating circular

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panati the Italian the Oakleigh I picture

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that as well but their 40th anniversary

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celebration at Frisk Aura um and I I

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believe you'll be there mayor as well

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and I'll be there um and just wanted to

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acknowledge all the advocacy and work in

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uh that that group has done in engaging

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with Council and in their future

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projects thank you thank you very much

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councilor sa and wonderful to hear about

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all of the initiatives underway in our

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community congrat

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ulations any other councilors who'd like

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to make a statement thank you councel

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Oxley thank you I would like to just

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take this opportunity to congratulate

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the Bonbeach Blue Jays they played

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their first game under their brand new

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lights down at B Centennial Park so the

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Masters who had been working on

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advocating to counsil for lights for

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some time um they finally been able to

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play down there safely on their brand

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new uh on their diamond with brand new

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lights um so thanks to them for inviting

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me down for their first game um and I

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know the president Jared was very very

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happy to see the lights down there and a

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huge thank you to the team and and your

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team Sam um for those lights they're

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absolutely fantastic and they look

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beautiful um but would also just like to

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take this opportunity to wish everyone

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in Kingston and particularly down in

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Long Beach Ward and everyone here with

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us this evening a very merry Christmas

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and a happy New Year and we'll see you

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in

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2024

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thank you very much Council oxy for that

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lovely message and wonderful to hear

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about the Blue Jays Council any other

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statements before we move to question

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time thank you very much councilors uh

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the next item on our agenda is question

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time uh I will now uh refer this matter

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to our CEO Peter Bean thank you Peter

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thank you mayor dve Bo um I'll just

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start before I start reading the

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questions out I'll just like to remind

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certainly the council but uh the gallery

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that prior to the public question time

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last month I advise that with the

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changes to the governance rules that we

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would um be strictly adhering to the

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governance rules set out uh as published

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by Council in that we will be requiring

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full names full addresses of people uh

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nominating public questions and that um

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we would not be continuing with our

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practice of reading more than two

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questions from each member of the

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asking public questions and where there

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has been a practice in the past of

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Fairly significant preambles being

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attached to public questions that we

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will not be entertaining the reading out

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of those preambles going forward so in

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respect to that uh there are three or

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four people who have not listed their

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full names or and or addresses in

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submitting the public questions this

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evening so those questions will not be

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read out and also there is a uh person

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who lodged two public questions after

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the 3 p.m. deadline so those two public

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questions will in fact be held over to

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the first council meeting of of 2024 and

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will be tabled and presented and

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answered at that time so with that said

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Madame mayor I start the public

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questions the first one is from Daniel

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and his question is will the council

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consider opening the waves Leisure

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Center swimming pool section at 5 a.m.

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as a special membership Andor General

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entry for a period of time to test

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marketing of such a vital asset to the

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Comm Community I'll ask Mr the Cru

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general manager infrastructure and open

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space to

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respond thank you and through you mayor

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the current design of waves does not

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allow for designated areas to open in

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isolation from other facility spaces as

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such the entire facility would need to

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consider an earli opening this would

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require additional staff resources in

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reception pool operations and the gym

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consultation to measure demand and

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impact on membership products and access

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would also be

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required to dat there have been little

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to no inquiries or requests for a change

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to the hours of operation as part of the

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new facility development we will be

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undertaking operational modeling

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including opening hours and waves be

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part of that

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review the next question is from Sasha

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it's two questions I'll read them both

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together and they will be answered

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together they are what is the total

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amount of accumulated Surplus revenue

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generated over years less expenses

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currently held by Council and which

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section of the Local Government Act 2020

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provide the council power to use rape

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payer generated revenue or any Monies to

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take a public stance on federal

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political issues I'll ask Bernard Rowan

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Chief Financial Officer to

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respond thank you and three mayor for

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the 2022 23 Financial year the reported

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Surplus was 32.7 Million please note

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that the Surplus is inclusive of items

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such as capital grants and contributions

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where the revenue to council is utilized

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in the delivery of the capital Works

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program and not as operating expenditure

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the reported accumulated Surplus across

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the history of the city of Kingston was

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1.5 billion which is shown on the

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balance sheet and has been built up over

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a number of years and contributes to the

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$3 billion total asset base of

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council terms of the second question

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under section 9f of the Local Government

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Act 20120 a council must in the

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performance of its role give effect to

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the overarching C governance principles

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the these principles include principal F

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collaboration with councils and with

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other councils and governments and

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statutary bodies is to be sought more

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broadly under Section 10 of the Local

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Government Act general power of council

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includes the power to do all things

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necessary or convenient to be done in

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connection with the performance of its

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role the next question is from Graham

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and the question is is it fair to say

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that the residents of Kingston are

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paying most

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69.9% of their actual huge rate bills

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mainly to keep you that is myself and

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the 171 full-time and part-time Servants

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of Kingston Council employed in a job

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and superannuated I'll ask Mr Rowan to

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respond to that

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question thank you and through you mayor

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total revenue from rates and charges

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included in the 2023 24 budget is

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166.000 the revenue from rat

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significantly contributes to funding the

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delivery of council services and the

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capital Works program the breakdown of

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council's budgeted service costs in 2023

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24 is shown across Pages 25 to 44 of the

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budget document and the capital Works

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program is shown on page 51 this

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information is accessible on the council

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website the next question is from Roslin

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and it reads can Kingston Council prove

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it has legal title to land under our

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roads and where is the title I'll ask Mr

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Rowan to respond to that

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question thank you and through you mayor

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subject to any native title land in

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Victoria is usually divided between

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Crown Land and the right of the state

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and private land Crown Land can be

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either reserved or unreserved parts of

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Crown Land can be reserved for the

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purpose of Roads Crown roads Remain the

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property of the crown and local roads

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are usually managed by the local

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councils as per the road management act

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2004 further private land sold by the

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crown can be subdivided and these

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subdivisions May create roads roads

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subdivided from private land prior to

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1988 could remain in the names of old

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owners or developers or in the names of

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councils but in or around 1988 99 1988

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1989 changes to the subdivision and

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local government legislation provided

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that roads and public highways could

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vest in Municipal councils as such the

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ownership of local the ownership of land

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under roads therefore effectively

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relates to the classification and

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operational responsibility of the

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related local Road assets titled

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ownership is not the requirement for

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accounting standards in preparing annual

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reports the land under roads is deemed

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to be controlled

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thank you the next question is from

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Deborah and the question is in relation

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to council's walking and cycling plan

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the question is why is Council so

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heavily invested in changing people's

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behavior around the way they move in

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their neighborhood and the second part

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of the question is can Council assure

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its residents that it will not bring in

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30 km an hour zones I'll ask Miss cement

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the cruel general manager infrastructure

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and open space to

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respond thank you and through you mayor

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the walking in cycling plan focuses on

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enhancing Kingston's accessibility for

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walking and cycling recognizing that

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these modes often constitute the final

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part of people's Journeys other modes of

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traveling such as vehicle trips are also

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considered when designing walking and

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cycling Improvement projects as part of

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council's traffic and transport

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operation we work with the community to

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improve the experience for Road users

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with different levels of mobility and to

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address the needs of the broader

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Community through a balanced approach

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there is currently no plan to introduce

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30 km hour speed limits in Kingston any

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potential speed reduction would involve

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engagement with the community and other

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relevant stakeholders such as the police

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emergency services and the Department of

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Transport and planning to ensure

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practicality and

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enforceability next question is from

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Elena the question is can all of the

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questions please be entered into the

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minutes directly as they are written on

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the forms which you get from the public

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and or as they appear written online

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even if you are unable to answer them

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completely on the night please I'll ask

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Mr Dan Hogan general manager customer or

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corporate support to

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respond oh there we go thank you only

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needed to press the button uh through

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the chair um thank you for the question

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any submissions the public question time

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within the council meeting agenda must

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comply with the rules and limitations

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are set out within council's governance

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rules which are available online

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currently most submissions are not in

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accordance with the rules and are

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therefore often excluded or modified in

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order to comply preambles statements and

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assertions are routinely ruled out of

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order and many submissions exceed the

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limit of two questions per person only

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the minutes of a council meeting are

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guided also by our governance rules

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recording some things but not all things

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that occur within a council meeting

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council meeting minutes rather are not

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intended to act as a record of public

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question submissions particularly if

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those parts and questions not read out

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or responded to therefore Council will

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not include public question submissions

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verbatim into the minutes of Council

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meetings the next question is from

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Julia uh two parts can you please tell

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me how much Kingston Council spent all

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spending towards promoting the yes

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campaign at the recent voice referendum

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and second part is please quantify in

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detailed dollar terms all that spending

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and energy which was put into that yes

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campaign I'll ask Kate Waters acting

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general manager committee strengthening

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to respond to that

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question thank you and through you mayor

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council did not undertake any activities

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to promote the yes campaign at the

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council meeting in January 20123 Council

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resolved to provide opportunities to

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raise awareness and inform the community

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about the referendum which included

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information sessions and the provision

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of printed and online information

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Council laws recognize that Council

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should not tell the community how to

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vote but rather provide opportunities

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for them to make an informed decision

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when they

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vote next question from one Zia it reads

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can you please fix the audio quality and

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sound in the public gallery gallery area

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so the people who have made the effort

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to come can hear I'll ask Dan Hogan to

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respond to that

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question thank you onia we will look

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into this issue again and take further

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steps to try and improve the sound level

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and quality for you

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question from Rose it's in respect to

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the monitoring of pedestrian cycle use

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of walking and cycling plan that

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council's recently adopted two parts of

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the question are can you please explain

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how you will monitor Walkers and cyclist

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please and what kind of Technology are

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you going to use to do this I'll ask

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samanth the cruel general manager

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infrastructure and open space to

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respond thank you and through you mayor

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the methodology used to collect data for

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cyclist is through permanent bicycle

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counters which consist of induction

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Loops located on key cycle routes these

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are common throughout mbour they are

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detectors that count the bicycles only

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and are not able to identify individuals

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they are similar to the loops located at

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traffic signals pedestrian numbers are

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obtained using pedestrian counters or

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physical counts all methodology used

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does not enable individuals to be

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identified next question is from Tony

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the question is what is council's

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economic Department doing to improve the

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Mone retail strip ask Mr Jonathan Gutman

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general manager planning and place to

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respond uh through you mayor Davy Burns

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first I'd like to thank Tony for his

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question when considering the level of

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expenditure across our Kingston shopping

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centers the mton shopping center has

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received substantial funding over recent

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years through contributions made by

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Council to level crossing removal Works

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to create the Heritage bridge to balom

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Road

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and station Gardens and to create new

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public spaces around Florence trading

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Mone the council is also planning to

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undertake further Works in mid 2024 to

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provide for the replacement of the foot

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path on KO excuse me com prade West

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which will assist in enhancing the

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street scape in this location Council

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will continue to work with new

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businesses who seek to invest in Mone

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and has also been seeking to work to

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remove graffiti and dump rubbish in the

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area thank

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you second question from Anthony is what

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is Council doing to help Park di Traders

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during the massive disruption caused by

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lxr A's construction of skyrail I'll ask

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Mr Gman to respond to that question

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thank you and again for you madam

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through you may d b um my apology

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council's actively has been actively

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working with traders in paral area since

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the outset of the Victorian government's

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level crossing removal project this has

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led to the establishment of the park Del

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Traders Association Council has a

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regular presence in this trip with the

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retell Aon officer in regular contact

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with the Traders Council Support

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Services have been offered to all

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businesses council's been working with

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the parkel Traders Association to

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respond to relevant requests and

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concerns this includes responding and

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escalating complaints to the

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lxrp after the most recent Traders

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meeting Council inured all footpaths

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also pressure watched Council

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established the trader temporary parking

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permit scheme to assist Traders and

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staff to free up car parking spaces for

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Shoppers also producing the park and

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walk maps for the Traders and Community

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Council will be removing the fees

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associated with footpath trading during

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the Alex work works period for Traders

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who undertake footpath trading council's

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also supported the park Traders

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Christmas event on 9th of December by

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fast tracking the event permit traffic

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management plan and signage on the day

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Council were in attendance with

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Community giveaways council's advocated

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to the lxrp to minimize impact of

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Traders H Library calire closure time

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frame reduced from 12 months to six

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months also ensuring the location of bus

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stops removed from its plan location

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where five parking Bays outside retail

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businesses were able to be retained

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thank

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you the next question is from Michael

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and it's um in relation to any future

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Council host of the Str Day events

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including citizenship on 26 says

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February here I think you me it's

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January two questions are will Kingston

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Council consult with the sortition

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foundation select group of 225 which

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Council created with this entity in 2023

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and how will Kingston Council consult

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with

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59,99 Kingston residents about this I'll

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ask Kate Waters acting general manager

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committee strengthening to

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respond thank you and through you mayor

00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.119
at the council meeting on 20 November

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2023 Council resolved to endorse Council

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offices to undertake further Community

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consultation to gather insights and

00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.039
perspectives from Key State stakeholders

00:29:58.119 --> 00:29:59.799
and the community which will inform

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future recommendations relating to

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facilitating the January citizenship

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ceremony Council offices are yet to

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prepare this consultation plan but it

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will likely include a range of

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Engagement strategies and tools to

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enable a wide range of community input

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when it is prepared it will be presented

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to councilors in early 2024 thank

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you thank you next question is from Lynn

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two questions it uh reads is it not true

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the Kingston council is not legally able

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to impose its own taxation upon the

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people and can you quote the legal

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standing article that gives your

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corporation Kingston Council which is a

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business this right I'll ask Mr Bernard

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Rowan Chief Financial Officer to

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respond thank you and through you mayor

00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:46.880
it is not true Council can legally Levy

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rates to raise revenue council is

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constituted through the Local Government

00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.359
Act 2020 as set out within division two

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rates are leved in accordance with the

00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.279
Local Government Act 1989 the

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legislation is a available

00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.880
online this next question is directed to

00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.000
the Chief Executive Officer it reads as

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follows have you and all those under you

00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.599
had any discussion with anyone about

00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:10.160
eventually replacing the function of

00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.480
traffic inspectors currently employed by

00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.960
Kingston council with monitors or Smart

00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:16.680
City surveillance technology or other

00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.279
plan the second question is have you and

00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:20.839
all those under you had discussions with

00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.960
anyone or are aware of any future plans

00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.480
by Kingston Council to track and collect

00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.480
data on the movement of cars and people

00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.039
through number plate recognition and

00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.640
facial recognition technology the answer

00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.039
to those two questions is the same and

00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.440
it is

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no next question is from rose rose asks

00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.720
uh in respect to raising rate charges

00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.519
for the 23 24 year it uh I'll just read

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a small part of it to make some context

00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.920
around it council's raising rate charges

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.759
in 23 24 year by maximum amount limited

00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.799
to the government cap which was 3.5% %

00:31:57.880 --> 00:31:59.200
residents are currently experiencing a

00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.960
very severe cost of living crisis caused

00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:02.359
by the collapse of the economy due to

00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.400
imposed covid restrictions and the

00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.799
numerous rate rises in the 2023 year how

00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.279
does that square with your published

00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.720
rate increase in the 2023 24 budget from

00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.640
0.697 for General rate in 2022 23 year

00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.039
to

00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:21.920
.001

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.519
76611 in the year 2023 24 which is a

00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.119
rise of 4.4 % I'll ask Mr Bernard Rowan

00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.480
to respond to the

00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.160
question thank you and through you mayor

00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:35.599
the city of Kingston's revenue from

00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.799
rates increased in 2023 24 in compliance

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.759
with the 3 and a half% rate cap set by

00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.400
the state government council's

00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:43.680
compliance with the rate cat was

00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.079
independently reported on by the

00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:46.880
essential Services Commission on 23

00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.440
November 2023 and is available on the

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.000
ESC website the change in the rate in

00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.279
the dollar will be different to the

00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:54.960
revenue raised from rates as the rate in

00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.640
the dollar is also affected by changes

00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:58.119
in the property values assessed by the

00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.559
value

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General next question is from Lissa it

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.240
is uh two part question it is reads as

00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.119
follows is the city of Kingston and its

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.359
mayor aligned with in any way or a

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.160
member of or considering becoming a

00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.799
member of the global Covenant of Mayors

00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.039
for climate and energy and the second

00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:19.799
part is is the city of Kingston aligned

00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:21.519
with or a member of or considering

00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.839
becoming a member of the

00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.000
II local governments for sustainability

00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.519
also known as II Oceana whose Melbourne

00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.319
office is in Berk Street Melbourne uh

00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.119
the response I will respond to that the

00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.839
response to the first question is no we

00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.000
are not uh considering becoming a member

00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:41.960
of the global Covenant and the answer to

00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:43.799
the second question is that council is

00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.920
not a member of the II local governments

00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.920
for sustainability or II

00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.200
Oceana the next question is from Robert

00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.319
and the question reads Council has

00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.000
engaged sortition org linked to the

00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.319
sortition foundation to assist in

00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.599
assembling a citizen assembly sortition

00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.279
Foundation are alleged to be aligned

00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.960
with UK group extension Rebellion who

00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.360
hold extremist positions and Solutions

00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.880
on climate action upon humans WHYY

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.320
Council Outsource the selection of

00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.719
residents to this group outside

00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.559
Australia and how are these selected

00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.000
people being used in your decision

00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.159
making and consultation processes a

00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.519
council I'll ask Mr Daniel Hogan to

00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.880
respond to the question through the

00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:28.639
chair in early 2023 we invited the

00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.360
community to put in expressions of

00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.440
interest to participate in a 220 member

00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.199
representative Community panel an

00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.800
initiative known as Kingston represent a

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.280
community panel is a democratic tool

00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.960
used all over the world to improve

00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.079
government decisions brings together

00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.119
randomly selected people who broadly

00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.000
represent the entire Community to

00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.239
discuss a range of topics and projects

00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.119
which is how we use it in Kingston

00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:52.559
Council often relies on community

00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.360
engagement to help inform high quality

00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.079
evidence-based decisions and resolutions

00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.000
stian was the preferred tenderer through

00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:00.719
an open market process in accordance

00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.400
with our procurement policy and

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.599
Government Act the role for sortition is

00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:07.000
only for the recruitment of a

00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.559
representative Community

00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.840
panel thank you the next question is

00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.280
from Anna the question is please declare

00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.000
what the individual colors and symbols

00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.159
of the lgbtq flag the council intends to

00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.760
fly in Kingston represent I'll ask Kate

00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.679
Waters acting general manager Community

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.960
strengthening to

00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.119
respond thank you and three you may

00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.519
there are several versions of the

00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.039
rainbow flag that recognize the

00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.239
different groups that make up the lgbti

00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:36.360
IQ A+ Community Council has resolved to

00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.559
fly a rainbow flag during the midsummer

00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.119
festival and on idah Hobbit day the most

00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.159
commonly flown rainbow Flags will be the

00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.320
original Rainbow pride flag and the

00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.559
intersex inclusive progress pride flag

00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.760
the colors of the original Rainbow pride

00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.360
flag represent red for Life orange for

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.800
healing yellow for sunlight green for

00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.360
nature in Indigo for art and Harmony and

00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.360
violet for Spirit the intersex inclusive

00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.440
progress pride flag includes the colors

00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.239
of the original Rainbow pride flag with

00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.800
five stripes in a Chevron design added

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.000
the additional colors represent black

00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.119
and brown Stripes to represent people of

00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.039
color and pink blue and white stripes to

00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.639
represent the trans Community a yellow

00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.480
triangle and purple circle is also added

00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.039
to represent the intersex Community the

00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:25.880
colors were chosen as they viewed as

00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.960
free from gender thank

00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.559
you mayor David burn that concludes the

00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:32.960
public questions to be presented this

00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.360
even thank you very much Mr Bean very

00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.760
much appreciated all right Council as

00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.119
we're now turning to planning and place

00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.719
reports the first item is 7.1 town

00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.480
planning application decisions do we

00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:45.639
have a motion

00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.960
coun thank you councilor stos seconded

00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.760
councilor Hill councils are there any

00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:53.440
objections otherwise I'll put this item

00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:54.880
to the

00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.719
vote thank you all those in

00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.400
favour I declare that

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.679
carried thank you our second item on the

00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.360
agenda is item 7.2 11144 and aan Highway

00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.039
H I believe we have uh an amended motion

00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.079
councilor

00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.800
Hill sorry that's correct yes thank you

00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.920
councilor stos my apologies uh yes we do

00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.119
have a an objector who's joining us

00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.400
tonight um via Zoom Robin um Gardner

00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.000
I'll just wait to have confirmation that

00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.320
they're joining

00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:36.000
us just one moment

00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.559
thank might just Robin I think I can

00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:44.800
hear the meeting playing in the

00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.280
background so if you wouldn't mind

00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.760
turning that off or

00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.519
down all right and I'll just conf

00:37:56.599 --> 00:38:00.159
confirm that we've got Judith

00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.760
Richardson and Robin

00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.440
Gardner you're not on mute are you I

00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.239
don't know H

00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:13.599
CH thanks everyone for your patience

00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.079
while we just manage these technical

00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.079
difficulties just one

00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.599
moment Robin and Judith I'll just check

00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.119
yeah if you

00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.519
unmute

00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:30.679
I might ask governance if you're able to

00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.000
send them a message a to see that come

00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.599
up all right I'll just check we believe

00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:46.960
that you can hear us is that correct

00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:48.400
Robin and Judith if you could just give

00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.679
me a thumbs

00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.280
up on in front of the camera just give

00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:53.559
me a wave to let me know that you can

00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.519
hear me okay

00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.119
I'm not sure that they can I'm

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.239
sorry just confirm if governance are

00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.480
able to pop that message in the chat for

00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:13.719
them oh you have done CH one chat one

00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.039
okay no

00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.480
no oh sorry all right um noting we might

00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.599
try mobile I've got a mobile number here

00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:25.960
governance perhaps if we try them on the

00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.440
mobile

00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.559
thank you that's a great idea Council

00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:35.840
Oxley governance Council Ox is just

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.679
suggesting if we call them on the mobile

00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.360
and then we perhaps um hear their

00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:41.800
submission that

00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:45.159
way isn't

00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:54.400
it we used it last time fine that's

00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.400
different hear thing no

00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.679
this yes governance could you please

00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.719
mute the um thank you thanks councilor

00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:06.000
Davies good

00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.079
suggestion thank you everyone we'll just

00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.719
take a moment to um resolve this small

00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.519
technical diffic

00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.360
difficulty

00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.079
councilors what we may do um just noting

00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:39.840
the agenda tonight is we might move a

00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.679
procedural motion to defer this item uh

00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:44.639
for a brief period of time to enable the

00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.280
objector to be contacted uh so that we

00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.840
can resolve the the matter so I'll just

00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.599
confer with governance I just um request

00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.280
um a procedural motion to destroy the

00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.239
matter and do I need to listen

00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.599
time great thank you we may after item

00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.400
7.3 so I believe I'll call for a mover

00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.679
and a seconder for this um short def

00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.960
thank you councilor Oxley and councilor

00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:17.840
stos I don't believe there's any

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:19.159
objections I'll just put this matter to

00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.440
the vote thank you councilors will'll

00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.559
defer that and allow governance a moment

00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.880
to um confer with the objective just to

00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.039
make sure they're able to join us all

00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.039
right we will return to item 7.2 um and

00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.920
we will now move to item 7.3 and I will

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.880
uh confirm that we do have um an

00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.960
applicant here in the gallery with us

00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.480
tonight Mike Meer thank you we'll just

00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.960
ask our security team to let you through

00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.239
thank

00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.800
you welcome Mr Mayor I believe you've

00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:56.440
been to one of our meetings before but I

00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.280
will just run through the process for

00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.280
this just one moment sorry I'll just

00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:05.360
confer with my councilor

00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.079
colleagues

00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.360
thank you very much we've just confirmed

00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.559
that there are no objetives this evening

00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.199
and thank you very much councilor sa

00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:42.719
just for confirming and for the advice

00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.159
through the team it's um important so Mr

00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.559
Maya we um you would be aware that our

00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:50.320
process is you do have four minutes to

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.159
speak and we're quite strict on that

00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.639
time and the time starts when you begin

00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.039
speaking are there any question

00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.440
questions before you start no wonderful

00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.800
thank you very much thank you mayor and

00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.639
councilors now I I'll be quick with you

00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:04.159
this evening um and I think it's an

00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.880
important Point that's raised and I I'll

00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.119
get to that in my um my my discussion

00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:10.440
tonight so the proposal for you before

00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.119
you tonight's an amendment um to a

00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:13.880
previous permit for the

00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.000
formalization um of the Commonwealth

00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.039
Golf Club Car Park um this was a

00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.760
proposal that was previously approved um

00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.480
prior to co um and due to circumstances

00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:25.239
now we've returned with an amended

00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.719
proposal um on for to formalize the

00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.199
existing car park now many of you would

00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.519
be aware um the current car park there

00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:33.599
acts with probably half of the car park

00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:35.679
is sealed and the remainder is

00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.480
effectively an overflow car park on an

00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.360
existing lawn area so what this proposal

00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.159
seeks to do is to formalize that car

00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.039
park in its entirety but at the same

00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.800
time improve the accessibility um and

00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:49.239
the operation of that car park for

00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.239
members and visitors so part of the

00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.800
design is really taken to given the

00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.159
demographic of many of the members

00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:56.519
improving the access accessibility to

00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.360
the site providing better drop off

00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.199
facilities um and just providing a

00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.360
better car parking Arrangement um for

00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:04.280
members and visitors to the

00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.199
site um the club as Council would be

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:08.800
aware has been proactive in informing

00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.840
Council of the projects which it's been

00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.079
undertaking with one of those key things

00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.559
and one of the intentions is regaining

00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:17.000
the club status as one of the Premier

00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.480
golf clubs in Australia so this car park

00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:20.960
forms part of that broader project which

00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:22.719
I'm aware Council has had matters before

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.400
it and council is aware of the overall

00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.599
course Renovations that are occurring

00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.159
what I would say and with touching on

00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.679
the point regarding objectives um the

00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.400
amendment to this permit is an example

00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.119
of a responsiveness to engagement with

00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:36.639
the surrounding residents and members

00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.719
which some of you may remember um there

00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:40.039
were objectives to the initial

00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.119
application now the club's been quite

00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.199
proactive this time around in working

00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.719
with the surrounding residents and its

00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.000
members um and the demonstration of that

00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:49.400
for you tonight is that there are no

00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.039
objectives this time with the proposal

00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.440
that's before

00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.559
Council key to that also has been

00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.039
working with council's officers who've

00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:58.000
come out to the site a number of times

00:45:58.079 --> 00:45:59.480
um to work through the the various

00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.159
issues that come up on an application of

00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.800
this nature um so the work with

00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.360
council's offices um is is represented

00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.480
by the uh the recommendation that's

00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.039
before you this evening and it's

00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.039
our our position that we'd like to we

00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:15.559
support that recommendation and seek

00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:17.800
that Council support um the

00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:19.880
recommendation as

00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.239
printed thank you very much Mr me for

00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.519
your

00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.719
time can counc do we have a motion thank

00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:29.800
you councilor

00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.280
stos I'll move the officer

00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.400
recommendation thank you and it looks

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.159
like it's seconded by councilor basley

00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.719
thank you councilor stos thank you um

00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.800
just very briefly mayor um this is an

00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.239
amendment uh to a planning permit that

00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.800
the council has already approved um with

00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.039
obvious changes um I would like to

00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.559
comment um of course on the original

00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.280
application um um there was significant

00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.199
amount of consultation with the

00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.800
neighbors to ensure that the design

00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.559
elements of the car park uh responded um

00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.280
to the concerns of the neighboring

00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:09.559
properties in in the area of so Oakleigh

00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.800
South um and I I know that the the

00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:17.679
changes um that have been sought um and

00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.679
that you know are being proposed into

00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.079
tonight's application um don't really um

00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.239
medal or change

00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:29.559
those issues which is why um there have

00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.280
been no objections to tonight's um

00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:36.079
Amendment um I understand that um the

00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.280
this was advertised the signs did go up

00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.480
all the local residents were um received

00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.199
notification um and um in my discussions

00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.000
with the residents uh in the previous

00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.760
application uh they were supportive of

00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.719
the reconfiguration and formalization of

00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.599
the car park once um the consultation

00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.360
between the club and the residents had

00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.639
occurred um so I'm I'm pretty

00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.119
comfortable uh in supporting the officer

00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.760
recommendation in tonight's um in

00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.360
tonight's agenda thank you thank you

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:10.760
very much councilor Beasley would you

00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.719
like to speak to this item thank you any

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:14.960
councilors wishing to thank you

00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.519
councilor

00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.199
Hill yeah thanks uh mayor jdb um i' I'd

00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.079
also just like to thank the club for the

00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.159
consultative approach um they've taken

00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.039
with this application I think it's

00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.079
telling that we um didn't have

00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.639
objections uh for this one all albe it

00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.480
that it wasn't a really significant

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.599
amendment to um the application that was

00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.079
I think endorsed in

00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.800
2020 um I I also wanted to not note an

00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.199
email that I got from Peter Peter barns

00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.119
the treasure um uh just in the leadup to

00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.039
this meeting as well and note that the

00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.079
original um

00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.320
uh well the current endorsed uh

00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.360
application that we have from the club

00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.159
uh it doesn't meet the needs of the club

00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.360
and and like that's the long-term

00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.440
objectives of the club and it wasn't

00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.360
supported by the members so what the

00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:12.920
club's done is they've really flipped

00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.000
that come up with a plan that is

00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.920
workable and that has the support of of

00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.559
the members and um what will be

00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.920
delivered is it's actually a reduction

00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.519
in the overall space allocated to the

00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:29.320
car park of around about 450 M 450 M

00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:33.559
that is um but I I think importantly as

00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:35.480
was explained currently there's like a

00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.000
smaller car park with an over overflow

00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.760
car park so this will be I think 208

00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:44.079
sealed um car Parks uh with the addition

00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.159
of a couple of extra um accessible space

00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:51.280
as well so overall um I I think it's a

00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.159
you know a fairly simple decision in

00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:55.000
front of us here this evening so thank

00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:56.480
you

00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.000
thank you councilor Hill any other

00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.559
councilors wishing to speak to this item

00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:01.119
councilor

00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:03.679
Oxley thank you just a question uh

00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.920
through you to the relevant officer in

00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.639
terms of between this application uh in

00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.880
front of us this evening the application

00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.039
that was previously approved and the

00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.719
local law permit that was recently

00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:18.039
approved for the removal of a

00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.719
significant number of trees um how many

00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.159
trees total would that be um removed if

00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.280
this was to go ahead the even thank you

00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.679
Council refer that through to Mr Gutman

00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.159
thank

00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.039
you thank

00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:37.039
you um with the local law application

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:38.679
sorry excuse me with the local law

00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.320
application and if this application was

00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.079
to be supported it would include a total

00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.280
tree removal of

00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.039
167 thank you very much Council oxy do

00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:51.000
you wish to speak to this

00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.159
item thank you just briefly to say um I

00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:56.840
think it's these types of applications

00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:58.199
that when we're talking about our local

00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.519
law permits and and planning permits and

00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:04.159
the the previous 3 to1 tree removal um

00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:05.960
replacement policy that we had as a

00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.559
council that would look at these types

00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.199
of loopholes and I I say it's a loophole

00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:13.760
because we have local law permits that

00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:15.559
people can go and get we then have

00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.000
planning permits that people can go and

00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.000
get and they they're perfectly

00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:19.800
reasonable ways for people to remove

00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.400
trees on their sites be that at a golf

00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.119
course or be that on private property

00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.440
for residential development but I call

00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.400
it a loophole for the simple fact that

00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.119
when someone looks at this application

00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.400
they don't get the full picture and they

00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:32.800
don't get the full picture of the fact

00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.559
that that is close to 200 trees on a

00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.559
site potentially being removed or if

00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.760
this goes ahead definitely being removed

00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.320
and it's a loophole for the simple fact

00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.079
that perhaps we don't get an objection

00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:49.519
to an extra 13 trees being removed but

00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.480
we would get an objection to an extra

00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:53.280
close to 90 trees being removed under

00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.159
local law application so whilst it's I'm

00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:57.599
I'm not casting aspersions on the

00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.039
applicant it's a perfectly reasonable

00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:00.880
way to do it I think as a council it's

00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.280
something we need to fix because it

00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.280
shouldn't be this way residents need to

00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:06.960
get the full picture of what's actually

00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:08.760
happening on a site and they don't with

00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:10.000
these types of

00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:11.679
applications thank you very much

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:12.800
councilor

00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.079
Oxley councilor do anyone else like to

00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.239
speak to this

00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:22.760
item if not I will ask councilor stos to

00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:27.559
close thank you thank you and um just to

00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.880
clarify one point um with a question to

00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:35.559
the officer um I understand that Council

00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.039
has already approved uh with the

00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.199
original application the removal of 68

00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.400
trees um and the amendment that we're

00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:46.559
considering

00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.480
tonight um recognizes that they already

00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.599
have a permit to remove those 68 trees

00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.760
and that that this seeks to add

00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.880
something like 13 trees to that have I

00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.639
got the numbers mixed up or I'd like you

00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.360
to confirm or clarify that than you

00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.079
councel st I'll refer that through to Mr

00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:05.519
Carnaval thank

00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.199
you yes through you Madame mayor that

00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:09.719
those numbers are correct so the

00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.679
application um is an additional 30

00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:17.000
entries thank you thank you Mr caraval

00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.800
um look I just wanted to uh close by

00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.880
saying that um recognizing that Council

00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.000
had already previously approved approved

00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:31.480
um the car park um and had already

00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.360
previously approved um the removal of

00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.920
those 68 trees um tonight's application

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.360
is really um confined um to the addition

00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.639
of an additional you know the addition

00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:48.360
um of 13 trees to be removed to um to

00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.199
accommodate for the uh the changed plans

00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.639
thank you thank you very much councilor

00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:55.679
stos

00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.800
I'll now put that item to the vote all

00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:00.280
those

00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.639
for all those against all those obain

00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.519
thank you I declare that

00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.199
carried thank

00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.519
you I'll check with governance if we're

00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.840
able to return to item 7.2 as we head to

00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:22.280
the procedural motion to defer this

00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.280
item I'll just confirm that with

00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.079
governance

00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:37.719
so just to advise everyone in the

00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.239
chamber in the gallery we're calling the

00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.840
applicant Via Mobile and we're hoping

00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.079
we'll be able to hear

00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.960
them hello good evening this is our

00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.119
mayor uh councilor Davey Burns just

00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.119
ringing in relation to item 7.2

00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.760
1114 nepan Highway hi um am I speaking

00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.880
with Robin Gardner you are wonderful

00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.800
Robin Welcome to our meeting and thank

00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:01.440
you for your patience with the

00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.840
technology I didn't know what's

00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.719
going not a problem these things happen

00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.800
sure great well I'll just run you

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.800
through the very basic rules um for your

00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.119
presentation tonight you'll be given a

00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.079
total of four minutes to speak and now

00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:19.440
I'm mindful that you're not able to see

00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.079
the screen so you may wish to just have

00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.280
a a look at the time and have a timer

00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:25.679
there the time starts when you start

00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:27.840
speaking and we are quite strict and I I

00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.360
may need to um just interrupt if we do

00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.079
go over those four minutes just for um

00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.800
fairness of procedure does that sound

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.119
okay with you yes that's fine wonderful

00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.920
thank you very much

00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.239
Robin you'd like me to start now thank

00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.119
you okay good evening me Davey Burns

00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.159
councilors and members of the Kingston

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.360
Community I'd like to thank the council

00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.239
for the opportunity to address this

00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.440
meeting I'm Robin Gardner I Pur my

00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.599
apartment at 1146 Nan 9 years ago it's

00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:01.119
in the building on the corner of

00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.039
Remington Drive on the fourth floor

00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.199
overlooking the vist display unit many

00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.400
of our residents bought here coach thall

00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:10.599
M was Promises of a five story

00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:12.079
development at

00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:14.679
1144 with a gym and a pool which we

00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.480
could use a small Cafe was mentioned for

00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.599
the use of short-term rentals my main

00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.400
objection to the application concerns

00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:24.280
the height of the buildings new

00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:25.920
development should enhance and

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.000
complement the local area and not

00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.880
overpower it we feel that 7even to8

00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:32.760
stories will massively overwhelm the

00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.760
surrounding buildings most of three to

00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.119
four a maximum of five to six would

00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.639
compromise and Mir the current home

00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.639
mys my apartment will say eight stories

00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.840
will be towered over overlooked

00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:49.559
sacrificing my privacy it will be in

00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:51.360
Shadow for more than 11 months of the

00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.960
year according to the reports provided

00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:55.719
many apartments will suffer a loss of

00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.039
Neal sunl privacy the designs run

00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:00.599
attractive and bulky looking with

00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.800
massive concrete balconies and not in

00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:04.280
keeping with architecture in the

00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.880
immediate area I question is necessity

00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:09.760
for a restaurant in the complex

00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.320
especially with a license patients will

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.400
be leaving contributing to noise and

00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.800
congestion no reduction in parking

00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.480
should be allowed parking is already at

00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.440
a premium at night on fence parking

00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.039
around this area is a night council be

00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.079
knowled by permitting dangerous double

00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:31.000
parking along the service road with 277

00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:33.360
units me owners have more than one car

00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.880
or no car park and parking the street we

00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.920
have no provision for Vis parking or

00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.880
loading zones for M delivery and moving

00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.519
fur as this is not an issue we would

00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:46.880
hold to use the park next door which now

00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:48.960
has a time liit

00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:51.639
in congestion around this development is

00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:55.480
a major issue with 277 Apartments

00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:58.239
going to 520 this problem will almost

00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.679
double Remington drivers are dangerous

00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.360
for all residents especially residents

00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:07.000
exiting the Kingston par car park ex P

00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.440
highway is a major problem for residents

00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:12.360
already dur business construction lines

00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:14.960
of trucks block Service Road recently

00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.039
this was blocked the two mornings were

00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.679
20 minutes in peak hour while unloaded

00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.679
one FR loader there was a major problem

00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:25.360
when Hallmark had the whole of 114 used

00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.119
for trucks parking and deliveries near

00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:31.559
completion H Wasing the gas access I

00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:33.840
request this be investigated for this

00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.039
proposal concerns have been raised

00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.639
regarding the effect of increasing the

00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:39.880
Bild up to two stories on the storm

00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.239
water drainage the Hmart previously

00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:44.719
installed this could be disastrous for

00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:46.320
Kingston and Vista which have

00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:49.199
underground car parking and stories I

00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:50.880
have discussed this application with

00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.480
many residents in the area most have

00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.519
serious objections in concerns but

00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:57.559
commented they would not participate as

00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.079
they saw it as a waste of time we have

00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.840
no say we will not win the government

00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:06.360
Council Hallmark VAP will overrule us

00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.639
res residents consider they have very

00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.400
little control over proposed development

00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:14.159
and change in their municipality they

00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:15.920
purchase here only to have the land

00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.639
resigned building heighted increased and

00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:20.480
government appropriating most of the

00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:22.840
public park at least I've had the

00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:24.639
opportunity to express my concern

00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.000
conerns and thank you for

00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:31.440
listening that's it thank you thank you

00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.639
very much Robin um we very much

00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:35.480
appreciate your time this evening um You

00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.519
may wish to um follow along the

00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.039
remainder of the proceeding um online so

00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:42.840
that you're able to um hear the debate

00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:44.039
I'll just pass the phone over to

00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.440
governance thank you very much for your

00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.239
assistance thank you very much

00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.199
Robin thank you now I believe we have

00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.199
the applicant for this particular

00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:01.599
um application Rob we and he's on

01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.440
Zoom thank you councilors while we um

01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.079
connect with

01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.119
Rob good evening Rob I'll just confirm

01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:19.400
that you can hear me I can yes thank you

01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:21.039
very much we'll just record your full

01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:23.440
name for the minutes thank you very much

01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.280
for joining the meeting this evening we

01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:28.360
just have a very um a short period of

01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.199
time allocated for you it's a 4 minute

01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.480
speaking time we're quite strict with

01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:33.760
the speaking time just to allow

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:34.760
procedural

01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:37.440
fairness you um your time will begin

01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.920
from the moment that you start speaking

01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.360
you're also welcome to remain in the

01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.400
meeting uh to hear the rest of the

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.079
debate I would just ask if you could

01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:47.760
please turn your microphone and camera

01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.039
off at the conclusion of your 4 minutes

01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.039
so Rob you're welcome to start speaking

01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.039
for your 4 minutes at any point thank

01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.440
you thank you thank you mayor thank you

01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.320
councilors for this opportunity and I

01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.639
think I'll start by also thanking the

01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:03.639
planning officers for their diligence in

01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:05.719
assessing this application um any

01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.440
development proposal of this scale comes

01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.599
with a multitude of issues that need to

01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.079
be considered and resolved and the

01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.519
planning officers did that task with a

01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.679
great level of professionalism and that

01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:21.239
has resulted in the uh very

01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.880
comprehensive um report that you've read

01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.679
and you'll be debating tonight um the

01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.760
application was lodged in November

01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:33.360
2022 at that point in time housing the

01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.800
housing crisis wasn't a a strange

01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.280
concept but um in recent times the

01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:40.679
policy imperative to provide additional

01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.119
housing on sites like this um has only

01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.719
become clearer this is a proposal to

01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.119
develop 245 Apartments um with diversity

01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:53.920
Studios single two and three bedroom

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:55.000
apartment

01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.440
which will increase housing choice and

01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:59.440
affordability for the

01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.320
municipality our client Hallmark is a

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.199
proven developer in Melbourne and

01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.639
Kingston it has a long established track

01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.400
record of developing good quality

01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:11.639
Apartments uh it indeed developed the

01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:13.239
apartments to the south of the site in

01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:14.679
the order of

01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:18.320
290 importantly Council this developer

01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.880
is shovel ready this project is shovel

01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.079
ready uh the developer wants to and can

01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:26.000
get these things out of the ground

01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:28.480
quickly uh it just needs the approval to

01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.440
do so in terms of the height design of

01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.119
these buildings it is a small increase

01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.360
in scale to what exists to the south of

01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:39.800
the site uh it is at or under what

01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.679
current plans anticipate for the Gas

01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.480
Works site to the west and so we say

01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:47.159
that ultimately that is a scale that

01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:50.880
will be um harmonious in its

01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.360
context it's a campus of buildings if

01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.440
provides a high level of landscaping

01:02:56.519 --> 01:02:59.679
communal open space and a improvements

01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.000
where you say to the public realm it's

01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:03.760
really development that takes its cues

01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:06.000
and seeks to facilitate

01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:08.199
placemaking in relation to

01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.360
estd uh this development exceeds best

01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:14.719
practice uh in fact it achieves um

01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:17.159
design excellence in relation to ASD and

01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:19.039
sustainable development imperatives set

01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:20.920
by the planning

01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.320
scheme relation to the design we say the

01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:25.800
design is is well resolved it's a it's

01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:26.519
an

01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:28.880
architecturally impressive response that

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.079
the council's urban designers um subject

01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:34.679
to some refinement uh were content with

01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.679
in relation to offside amenity the

01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:38.239
setback of the buildings from ring and

01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.480
drive enables all the offside amenity

01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:42.599
impacts to be contained within the site

01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:44.400
and that includes Equinox Shadows to the

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.360
adjoining

01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.599
apartments and so really council is what

01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:49.960
we say is that this is where the rubber

01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.199
can meet the road in relation to housing

01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.840
policy and the implementation of housing

01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.199
policy and so we come tonight and ask

01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:01.320
that you um adopt the recommendation of

01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.519
your offices and support this proposal

01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:04.480
thank

01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:07.039
you thank you very much Mr mckendrick

01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:09.519
for your

01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:13.159
time councilors do we have a motion

01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:16.039
thank you councilor

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:20.360
Hill uh yes thank you mayor jdb I'd like

01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:23.119
to move the amended motion

01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.119
please thank you I'll just wait to

01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:27.280
confirm that's the motion that appears

01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.039
on the screen

01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.960
quite just confirm

01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:40.639
that thank you councilor Hill do we have

01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:42.840
a

01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.440
seconder thank you councilor stos uh

01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:47.480
just in response to a question from the

01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:49.559
um

01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:52.800
uh sure I can read those for you um

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.199
governance if I could just ask you to

01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.159
scroll down to where the changes have

01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.519
been

01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:04.079
suggested so councilors we have

01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:07.320
um these three amendments that have been

01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:09.760
um designed with uh councilor Hills

01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.639
import and our our our

01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.199
staff councilor um Davies did you want

01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:16.960
to ask a question or you are you able to

01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.159
read that on the screen okay wonderful I

01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.960
will ask councilor Hill if you'd like to

01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.159
speak to this item thank thank

01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:28.599
you uh thank thank you mayor jdb um

01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.360
firstly I'd like to thank our speakers

01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.920
for taking the time um to present to us

01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.119
this evening I'd also like to

01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.079
acknowledge all the objectives we had 29

01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.320
objections I think at total just I have

01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:44.280
120 pages of objections I certainly read

01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:45.840
each and everyone and I'm sure all my

01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.239
councilor colleagues did as well um

01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:52.159
where I landed with this one and you

01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:53.840
know i' I'd also like to acknowledge all

01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.320
the work that you've done on this uh

01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:58.599
mayor as well this is your your ward I

01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:00.719
know you've taken a really Keen interest

01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:02.880
in this and and you've been in regular

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:06.000
communication with objetives as well as

01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.079
our officers and I I think where we've

01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:13.960
landed um I I'll speak to the um the

01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:15.199
three

01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.280
further um

01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.239
recommendations um from that we're

01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:23.039
putting forward there there are 43 um

01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.679
proposed uh changes that that our

01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.000
officers have put forward um so this is

01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:31.639
adding adding to that um there's three

01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:32.760
in particular that are really

01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:34.800
significant but just briefly these three

01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:38.599
what we're in effect looking to do um is

01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.280
the removal of the snorkel windows in

01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.159
five of the apartments so um like just

01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:47.639
breaking it down there's uh two

01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.719
apartments that would that have that are

01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:52.280
designed with snorkel windows that would

01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.559
be brought together to in effect form

01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.920
one for bedroom um so hence removal of

01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:01.119
those there will be two because one of

01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:05.519
the um I'll just bring it up

01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:09.079
um that one of the proposed uh

01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:12.199
conditions is um the deletion of one

01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.559
level from building three so this is to

01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:17.119
bring it down to a seven story building

01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:20.079
from an eight story building um now

01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:21.679
we're saying that that could either be

01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.159
level one or level two whichever it

01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.840
falls that would see the removal of two

01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:29.719
apartments again um with snorkel windows

01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:31.440
and then I think one separate apartment

01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.199
with snor Windows would be dealt with

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.280
separately so in effect all of the five

01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.199
apartments with snorkel Windows would be

01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:42.079
addressed through through this change um

01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:46.480
the other uh two significant conditions

01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:49.039
uh refer to uh there were two of the

01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:51.320
buildings where they had Cy lever roof

01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:54.159
roofs um at the high levels bringing

01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:56.000
that back in line with the rest of the

01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.559
building so it's it's Sur massing um is

01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:02.920
the main issue there so uh there are as

01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.159
I say there are 43 conditions in total

01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:07.000
but you know the way I readit those were

01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.400
the three most significant the reason

01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.679
why the reduction in height of of the

01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.000
building down to seven stories is

01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:16.720
significant as well one thing that came

01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.199
out through reading all the objections

01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:23.199
was the note of the um uh dispensation

01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:24.359
for

01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:28.560
car Parks um now I believe I I might

01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.079
have my numbers wrong but I think by

01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:34.560
removing uh that level we in effect have

01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.520
11 additional car Parks which more than

01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:41.399
addresses the um the seven car parks

01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.239
that were very much you know top of mind

01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:44.560
for a lot of

01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.840
objectives um so I think the net balance

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.720
is actually positive uh by the time we

01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:53.079
remove that uh that particular level and

01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:57.239
that in that um in that building uh I

01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:59.239
don't have much longer to speak so the

01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:00.840
only other thing I just wanted to talk

01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:03.399
to was just some of the positives of

01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:07.159
this um uh of this application as well

01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:10.079
so uh there's there's a lot in s in

01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.319
terms of the public realm so there's a

01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:16.199
350 M square meter Cafe um within one of

01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.520
the buildings there's also a swimming

01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.920
pool gym Cinema communal rooftop uh

01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.159
veggie garden outdoor Terrace

01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.640
Lounge kitchen um the es that the

01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:31.920
applicant spoke to uh is is is really

01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:33.840
really positive as well um it's a

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:37.880
gas-free development 7.5 average natas

01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:41.800
rating 20% of all the car Parks being 59

01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.720
car parks in total um being EV car

01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:48.000
spaces uh 277 bike spaces there's

01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.520
motorbike spaces there solar panels um a

01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:54.319
car share space High effic icy heat

01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:56.840
pumps um and rainwater harvesting which

01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.760
I think totals 108,000 L um for toilet

01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.880
flushing so it's a really you know good

01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.359
development in that regard um I know and

01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:09.039
I do understand the anxiety that this

01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:11.840
has caused many of the residents um but

01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:13.920
I'm also mindful that this will be part

01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:17.239
of the srl precinct yep um sorry I just

01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.399
finished um but yes it will be part of

01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:21.960
the srl precinct and I think that this

01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:23.680
taking that into account is a good

01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:25.560
outcome thank you thank you very much

01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.439
councilor Hill councilor

01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.000
stos thank you would any other

01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:34.439
councilors like thank you Council

01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:38.399
h u I just want to uh probably ask

01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.920
through the mayor about the wording of

01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.079
these condition uh especially the last

01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.399
two new condition and for to create to

01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:49.720
become a four-bedroom apartment and

01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:51.840
without loal window I assume we want

01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:54.359
bigger windows but the condition as it

01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:56.720
currently worded can I build a bedroom

01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.359
without any window thank you Council H

01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:02.239
I'll ask the question through to um Mr

01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:05.000
Carnaval

01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:12.640
please I'm through you Madame mayor oh

01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.720
they're up there um so the wording of

01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:19.399
the conditions consolidate uh to a to

01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.439
become a four-bedroom apartment without

01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:24.960
snorkel Windows um so particularly

01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:26.920
talking about um the provision of a

01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:29.560
snork or window um the apartments

01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:31.039
wouldn't able to be built with a

01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:32.640
building permit if they didn't have any

01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:34.800
Windows themselves there's a requirement

01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.399
um to provide Windows to all dwellings

01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:39.520
um but that is just referring to snorkel

01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.239
windows thank you very much Mr carnavali

01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:43.840
councilor H do you have any further

01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.159
questions or would you like to speak to

01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:47.279
this item thank you very much for

01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:49.520
seeking that clarification it's very

01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:51.720
helpful any other councilors wishing to

01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:56.359
speak to this item thank you Council

01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.199
Oxley just a question um in terms of the

01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:01.840
amendment and whether can we just get

01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.000
clarification on whether that would

01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.640
change the car parking Provisions at all

01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:07.680
and the requirements um given that we're

01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.600
now amending the number of bedrooms in a

01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:13.399
dwelling thank you Council Oxley Mr

01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:16.439
caraval um yes through you Madame mayor

01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:20.199
um the conditions would um effectively

01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:22.000
change what the apartments are required

01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:24.600
to provide um but if I explain it to you

01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:27.960
apartment 1.1 and 1.2 are two bedroom

01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:29.680
apartments they would require two car

01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:32.399
parking spaces um if it was to then be

01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:34.720
converted into a four-bedroom apartment

01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:38.000
it would still require two car spaces so

01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:41.800
it would effectively be um the same

01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.119
number thank you Council oxy do you have

01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:45.600
any further questions or wish to speak

01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:49.600
to this item no thank you very

01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:51.640
much doesn't look like we have any

01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:53.560
further um debate required from from the

01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:55.199
councilors so I might ask councilor Hill

01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:57.720
would you like to close no wonderful

01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.199
I'll now put this item to the vote all

01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:02.800
those in

01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:07.920
favour thank you all those against thank

01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.960
you I'll declare that

01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.319
carried wonderful thank you councilors

01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:19.239
we're now turning uh to item 7.4

01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:21.000
response to resolution biodiversity

01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:24.319
assess golf courses in the municipality

01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:25.640
we'll just wait till we bring that up on

01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.880
screen thank you council do we have a

01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.520
motion thank you councilor stos for

01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:40.039
moving and councilor Sab for seconding

01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:42.520
councilor

01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:48.359
stos thank you mayor I'm happy to move

01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:51.079
uh the recommendation as read uh and

01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:54.359
simply to thank um Woodland's Golf

01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:57.239
Course for working with the city of

01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:00.520
Kingston um to facilitate the

01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.279
biodiversity assessment uh at their Golf

01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:06.359
Course uh and I note as well that the

01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.960
notice of motion um which is reproduced

01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:13.720
in the agenda um does uh speak to an

01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:15.439
aspiration that we will continue this

01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:17.159
work across a number of other golf

01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.039
courses um so hopefully the other golf

01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:22.119
courses in the city of Kingston will see

01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.439
this as a good example of how the

01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.520
council um and the uh the golf courses

01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.399
can work together to protect um the

01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.520
environment within those precincts thank

01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.479
you very much councilor stos councilor

01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:39.399
Sab thank you Madame May briefly to

01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:40.840
mention that there is a lot of benefit

01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:43.239
in actually pursuing this work um and do

01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:44.640
encourage the rest of the golf courses

01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:46.880
to engage with Council that is obviously

01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:49.119
our objective here um but there is a lot

01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:52.560
of strength in um understanding um the

01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:55.000
makeup of a particular piece of land and

01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:58.439
how we can move to actually um greater

01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:01.159
create U more biodiversity outcomes in

01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:02.800
golf courses they play a major part our

01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:04.520
golf courses in the city of Kingston

01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:06.079
they contribute pretty significantly to

01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:09.279
our tree canopy coverage um but also to

01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:11.600
the native flora and FAA and all the

01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:13.399
other um animals and species that we've

01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:15.319
got across city of Kingston um by

01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:17.279
creating biodiversity Pockets that they

01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:19.079
can reach so it's important that we can

01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:21.000
try to strengthen that um and that's

01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:22.800
what this report or rather what the

01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:24.279
motion initially was doing and what this

01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:26.359
report will hopefully seek to do um as

01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.640
long as we can continue to engage with

01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.680
um all of our other golf courses thank

01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.920
you thank you very much councilor s

01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:34.279
would any other councilors like to speak

01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.600
to this

01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:39.039
item councilor stos would you like to

01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:41.399
close no I'll put this item to the vote

01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:42.800
all those in

01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.840
favour I declare that carried thank

01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:49.960
you the next item is 7.5 Mor Al and Asal

01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:52.279
level crossing removal project adoption

01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.840
final Urban design

01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:56.920
framework councilor Cochran you'd like

01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:59.560
to move the motion thank you

01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:01.680
just confirm the

01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:04.720
motion on the screen thank you very much

01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.159
and seconded by councilor Beasley thank

01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:10.359
you councilor

01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:16.439
Cochran thank you may jdb this is a

01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:18.920
really really important topic and one

01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:23.920
obviously I'm concerned about and

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:26.920
a project of this scale so a project of

01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:31.520
this scale has potentially a 100e

01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:34.079
lifespan maybe even more some critical

01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.640
infrastructure that we see placed

01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:38.199
throughout the city of Kingston now

01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:40.600
dates back to the early 1900s so it's

01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:41.800
incredibly

01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:44.800
important that we work to these Urban

01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:47.359
Design framework principles and we see

01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:48.920
all the stakeholders in the project

01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:50.439
really look and understand what

01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:52.000
council's vision

01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:55.880
is we've got a huge forecast in housing

01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:58.520
density across not only Victoria but

01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.760
also Kingston as we've just seen in a

01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:03.600
matter we just heard with hundreds more

01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:06.479
Apartments coming in to the city of

01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.520
Kingston and that's why it's so

01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:11.439
important that we actually plan these

01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:14.960
public spaces and urban spaces well and

01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:16.880
really invest in this infrastructure

01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:21.079
because I'm worried at the moment that

01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:21.920
we're

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.800
moving

01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:25.840
as a

01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:29.079
state we are on a big build and we're

01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:30.800
getting things done we're removing level

01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:32.399
Crossings and the Frankston line will be

01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:34.359
level crossing removal will be level

01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:36.119
crossing free by

01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:38.880
2029 and it's keeping people employed

01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:41.079
but the end result is when it comes to

01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:43.680
that icing of Key Community amenity and

01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:45.600
key liability and functionality of an

01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:48.399
area I think we might be missing that

01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:50.520
and if we get it wrong if we get it

01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.039
wrong now we have to deal with the

01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:56.000
consequences for the next 100 years plus

01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:57.640
because this is huge pieces of

01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.000
infrastructure and concrete that we

01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:02.560
can't move so our Urban Design framework

01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:04.079
aims to tie all these critical

01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:07.439
components together and it's not drafted

01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:10.920
in a CBD office overlooking near Maps

01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.520
it's drafted by our Council officers our

01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.880
councilors our community and our

01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:18.880
Consultants who really understand the

01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.960
heart of what Mor alic and aspendale are

01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:24.079
they understand the soul that the area

01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:27.680
has and the impact it has has been one

01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:30.479
of Melbourne's most frequented foreshore

01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.159
locations and that popularity is only

01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:35.640
going to grow over the next three years

01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:36.520
few

01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.800
years we really need to Advocate and

01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:41.560
understand obviously in our Urban Design

01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:43.920
framework the need to expand the project

01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:47.520
footprint to align with better outcomes

01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:49.840
for our community so things like pompy's

01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.199
Landing site it's obviously a really

01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:53.960
complex

01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:56.199
land holding with multiple stakeholders

01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:58.600
and there is a real opportunity to bring

01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:00.640
that together into one cohesive space

01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:03.159
that does function far better for the

01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:06.399
community there's the stabling yard

01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:09.199
underpass that you can see in our

01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:11.800
framework which isn't currently in the

01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:14.720
Alex project scope and that's been

01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.079
listed as one of Kingston's most unsafe

01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:20.279
places through members of the community

01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:22.600
so I've just got a few comments here

01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:25.439
from from an xyx lab survey that states

01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.880
that the underpass there is very poorly

01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.159
lit narrow unsafe

01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:34.640
tanel they won't visit their 30 to 35y

01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:36.800
old female there was a stabbing here

01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:38.640
last year during the day I won't use

01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:40.760
that tunnel even during the day as

01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:42.560
people come around the corner it's dark

01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:45.319
it's scary and the list goes on so it's

01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:46.439
really really

01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:49.640
important that we

01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:54.000
see that piece of land brought into the

01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:56.239
Project's scope and

01:19:56.319 --> 01:20:00.520
framework another key one is the shared

01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:04.000
user paath so some key outcomes from

01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:05.760
plan Victoria there's some key pillars

01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:07.159
and it's about

01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:08.720
providing

01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:12.439
accessible shed user paths bikes lanes

01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:14.159
for scooters and

01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.279
whatnot and at the moment the Alex

01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:19.399
doesn't currently have a shared user

01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:21.239
path over in the P Highway and that is

01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:23.439
so so important to tie communities

01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:25.520
together as it's been done across the

01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:26.920
municipality and it's done throughout

01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.279
the city we're still missing those vital

01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:32.000
transport links that link everywhere

01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:35.279
North uh all the way down south and it

01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:37.840
would be a real shame if we missed an

01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.199
opportunity to do that now because I

01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:42.760
know once this infrastructure goes in

01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:45.199
the the the the cranes move on quickly

01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:47.680
and it's let's finish more projects and

01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:49.960
and this will get left behind and

01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:52.880
probably the most key for the community

01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:56.720
is the closure of be street so there's

01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:00.159
no traffic modeling extension thank you

01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:01.800
I canr you two minutes to the chair

01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:04.560
thank you thank you so the closure of be

01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:07.760
street is huge and it's not only big to

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:09.399
myself and the other councilors in the

01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.960
room it's also been a huge issue for our

01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.279
community and I think the real key with

01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:18.079
this is in local government we're always

01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.159
asked to be more transparent

01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:23.399
transparency is key and we're held to

01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:25.279
account quite

01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:28.000
rigorously but in this instance I don't

01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:31.720
feel like other stakeholders in the

01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:34.800
project who are scoping the project are

01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:36.600
necessarily being transparent with us

01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:38.199
and we're calling for that traffic

01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:40.359
traffic data so we can better understand

01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:42.960
what the impacts will be because after

01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:44.880
the project moves

01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.840
on Council will be left to pick up the

01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:51.760
pieces and deal with potential impact

01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:54.520
that uh that that closure will

01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:56.880
have I'll leave my comments there thank

01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.359
you J thank you very much councilor

01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:02.479
Cochran councel

01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:06.119
Bley thank you mayor jdb uh I won't be

01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:08.640
long because I really think um councilor

01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:11.239
Cochran has raised all the the points

01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:13.640
really well I'm just going to reiterate

01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.840
just how angst the community is about

01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.359
bear street now when it was first raised

01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:20.760
everyone raised their eyebrows and

01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:22.039
looked around and went oh I don't know

01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:25.640
about this closure let's see the

01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:29.800
data and then we waited and we've waited

01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:32.119
and we've waited and there is no data

01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:33.880
and we need it and the same thing

01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:36.199
actually about the stabling yard you

01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:38.119
know I'd really like you know they they

01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:40.600
say it can't be anywhere else you know

01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:44.239
move further south I I need to see it

01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:45.960
you know they're not those kind of

01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:49.840
things absolutely we need the detail cuz

01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:51.479
if we had the detail and there's

01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:54.479
something that can't be done done fine

01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:56.800
um with be Street I think it's really

01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:59.680
important that we future proof it uh

01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:01.920
because we you know there's enough

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:03.279
traffic around there at the moment

01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:06.520
anyway and it is such a significant area

01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:09.479
we've got to know that the traffic will

01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:12.520
work without it otherwise we will need

01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:14.560
it and we will have to come up with a

01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:17.560
design and given tent engineer you can't

01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:20.159
do it and they will Design you something

01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:22.840
that can so it is possible because

01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:25.600
Engineers are the very first people who

01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:27.079
will be able to look at that and figure

01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:29.920
it out if you tell them do it we've got

01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.520
incredibly intelligent people in

01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:34.039
Australia who who will be able to design

01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:37.920
it for us so we need that data to say be

01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:40.560
Street um yeah we can do it all the

01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:42.319
traffic Works beautifully it's nice and

01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:44.760
smooth we don't need bare Street open

01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:46.840
but we need to see that it's got to be

01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:48.039
something that you can hand to a

01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:49.640
resident and and everyone looks at it

01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:52.199
and goes oh okay all right it'll work

01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:53.920
where haven't been given it a

01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:57.760
thing so I don't know how you know we

01:23:57.840 --> 01:23:59.439
how it's wait we you know we've been

01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:00.840
incredibly patient really that we

01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:02.840
haven't started all of this before this

01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:05.199
point but I think we've gone we've been

01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:06.600
at the table with them and they'

01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:10.239
provided us with some detail but nothing

01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:12.159
nothing on this and we need that detail

01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.199
so I'm really looking forward to um

01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.880
particularly on be Street um that we

01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:22.079
have some data on how they think moralc

01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:24.920
can function and flow and we can keep it

01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:28.039
moving without it thank you thank you

01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:29.800
very much Council

01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:33.039
Beasley councilor

01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:35.600
Davies uh thank you mayor I would also

01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:37.359
like to make comments in relation to be

01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:40.560
street because I really do think um we

01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:44.000
don't need uh boasting or statements

01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:46.000
from the state government that oh yes we

01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:49.359
removed all the level Crossings but the

01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:50.840
side effect is that you've created

01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:52.880
traffic disasters and and they have done

01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:55.000
that in the past and we would like to

01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:56.960
see the data because I actually don't

01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:58.880
know anyone who lives in the Morty alic

01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.319
Park do region who thinks the closure of

01:25:01.399 --> 01:25:04.079
bare street is a great idea and possibly

01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:07.159
it is necessary and they can ensure that

01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:10.199
there are no traffic issues but that is

01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:12.680
a street that is heavily used at all

01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.239
times of the day right now and suddenly

01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:17.239
they think that by just closing it that

01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:20.119
we won't have a traffic problem so I am

01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:22.720
very concerned about the lack of

01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.119
information and the lack of data to

01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:27.640
support this reasoning it's not all just

01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:30.079
about level Crossings it is about the

01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:31.920
community and the livelihood and the

01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:33.760
traffic flows and the people who live

01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:35.720
there and we shouldn't be treated as

01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.720
widgets we should be given respectful

01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:42.159
data and communication and discussion

01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:44.560
and we're not getting that right now so

01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.880
I'm hopeful that when we get this letter

01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:48.600
off we will get some information back

01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:51.680
and we do want to engage with lxrp we're

01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:54.520
very happy to work with them but I think

01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:56.000
there needs to be a bit of a reality

01:25:56.079 --> 01:25:58.039
check about what they are doing in

01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:00.239
closing be Street and it's the same

01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.439
issue with latro Street in Menton we

01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.000
would like the data that supports it

01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:08.119
thank you thank you very much councilor

01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:11.600
Davies councilor

01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.279
Hill hi I won't speak for terribly long

01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:18.000
on this one I think we you know we're

01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:19.760
we're going to be sort of duplicating

01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:22.279
our messaging to to a large degree I

01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:24.359
want to just quickly make a note of all

01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:27.640
the work the officers have done um up up

01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:30.680
to this point and the consultation um

01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:33.159
with all the feedback that we've had on

01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.800
the um draft Urban Design framework I

01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:39.039
think it shows you know real willingness

01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:42.880
and and um enthusiasm by Council to

01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:44.800
engage with our community and try and

01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:48.079
get the best outcomes for our community

01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:51.600
um without really because I I think it's

01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:54.560
it's um like I I do like points I think

01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:58.199
it's 3.2 3.3 with regards to our

01:26:58.279 --> 01:26:59.800
requests for those for the traffic

01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:02.680
modeling around around Bear Street the

01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:05.479
one thing I just wanted to note um on

01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:07.760
that because look I and other councilors

01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.439
I know share communities concerned as do

01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:13.079
our offices with regards to the proposed

01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:15.279
closure of be Street the one thing I

01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.600
want to point out though is that um

01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:20.520
we've had emails uh from residents who

01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:23.359
would like to see us basically stall the

01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:26.479
process until we get those answers and

01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:28.880
clarification on be street but one thing

01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.159
we know with a project that's meeting at

01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:33.399
that's moving at this speed if we don't

01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:38.079
get moving with this work um we risk a

01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.399
far worse outcome for our community so I

01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:41.960
think the approach that we're taking is

01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:45.479
the sound approach to request um answers

01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.720
to these questions to request that that

01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:50.079
traffic modeling data but still move

01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:52.479
forward because if we don't um will be

01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:53.920
caught flat footed and that's in no

01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:56.079
one's best interest so that's all thank

01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:59.159
you thank you very much councilor

01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.399
Hill any other councilors like to speak

01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:04.880
to this item councilor

01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:09.680
sa thank you Madame mayor um look just

01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:11.720
just briefly I'll open with um echoing

01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:13.800
the sentiments I think from my councilor

01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:16.479
colleagues um it is really important

01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:18.239
actually it's critical that we do get

01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:21.279
that data um I can commend the past

01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:22.960
Council term and their advocacy and the

01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:25.960
work that they did um on numerous

01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:27.319
different level crossing removals and

01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:28.560
the outcomes that we were able to

01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:30.840
achieve where we did engage with the

01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:34.199
lxrp and that was a really collaborative

01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:36.000
uh environment that we had at times it

01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:37.279
actually wasn't collaborative and that

01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:38.640
was the role that we had to take where

01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:40.960
we had to be a bit more Stern with what

01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:42.640
we were doing and I think actually now

01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:44.439
this is where we have to be in this

01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:47.359
project specifically um we have waited

01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:49.760
and waited and waited for the data um

01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:51.159
we've asked we've had meetings and we've

01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:52.560
had the opportunities to to discuss and

01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:54.119
get that um and we have not been

01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:56.199
provided that so I think it's really

01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:58.399
important or like I said it's critical

01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.279
that we do this now um on another note

01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:02.720
as well the reason why this is so

01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:04.079
important and so significant and we've

01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:05.800
already spoken about the significance

01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:07.920
Crossing removal and all level crossing

01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:09.920
removals but this one in particular um

01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:12.039
but as councilor Cochran mentioned um a

01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:13.720
little bit earlier around the pillars of

01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:15.319
plan Victoria and into the future I

01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:16.479
think that's really important that we do

01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:19.079
make that connection um plan Melbourne

01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:21.199
as we know plan Melbourne 2030 wasn't a

01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:22.479
plan that was

01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:24.920
designed by um councils it was a plan

01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:26.920
designed by the state government um and

01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:29.560
implemented the new plan Victoria 2050

01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:31.279
is an opportunity for councils to be

01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:32.920
part of that collaborative approach I

01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:34.960
was going to make a report that uh

01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:37.199
earlier in the evening but I did forget

01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:38.640
um that you and I attended that meeting

01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:39.840
and we did speak with the minister and

01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:40.920
it was a really collaborative

01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:42.520
environment but what I really wanted to

01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:44.960
make reference to in this particular um

01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.600
space was that particular pillar that

01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:49.079
they've developed that's really

01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:51.600
important um there's a few of them um

01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.920
it's livable and thriving neighborhoods

01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:55.680
but really what underscores that

01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:58.199
particular pillar is the connectivity

01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:00.439
the active transport connectivity and we

01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:02.000
know that we really need this type of

01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:04.520
infrastructure to support public

01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:07.000
transport um our cities and our bike PA

01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:08.720
and pesan paths are well connected we've

01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:10.359
got a future plan for way the way that

01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:12.239
looks but this is a critical part of

01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:14.199
that so it's really important that we do

01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:16.840
get that connection and we know that we

01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:18.560
cannot build like it is not within the

01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:20.479
scope of council to be able to Build a

01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:22.479
Bridge pedestrian Park

01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:24.600
this is the opportunity for us to do so

01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:26.279
and we really need to get it done we've

01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:28.960
got fantastic or an amazing collection

01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:31.520
really of schools um and education

01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:33.680
centers down the Frankston line and we

01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:35.640
need to make sure that our kids our

01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:38.119
students our young ones our young adults

01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:39.960
who travel um not just by public

01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:42.239
transport by active transport means can

01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:44.600
actually get to school safely so we need

01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:46.640
this connection we need this part of the

01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:48.439
the line and we really need to make that

01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:50.079
clear and I hope the level crossing

01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:52.279
removal Authority is listening to this

01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:53.680
and does reflect on the comments of the

01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:55.520
councilors because these are really sore

01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:56.880
points for us we want to come to the

01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:58.840
table and be collaborative but we can't

01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:00.439
do that if they're not meeting us

01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:02.479
halfway so I really hope that this is

01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:03.960
delivered I really hope that we get this

01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:06.239
across the line um I do hope that we can

01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:08.039
get the bike infrastructure that we need

01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.000
a cycle bridge over the nepan highway

01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:12.359
which is critical um and get that

01:31:12.439 --> 01:31:15.359
possible and and delivered thank you

01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.039
thank you very much Council

01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:19.399
Sab I'll just call one more time for any

01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:21.239
other speakers otherwise I'll put this

01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:24.720
matter to the vote oh sorry a close my

01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:25.960
apologies councilor Cochran would you

01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:28.319
like to

01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:31.119
close I am very mindful of time but I

01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.239
think this is super important and I'm

01:31:33.319 --> 01:31:35.199
just going to reiterate what all of the

01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:37.479
other councils have said tonight and it

01:31:37.560 --> 01:31:39.760
revolves around that Clarity and

01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.279
transparency about the traffic modeling

01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:45.880
data Council want to work with the Alx

01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:47.239
we want to work with all of the

01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:49.720
stakeholders to deliver an outcome

01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:52.520
that's beneficial to the community

01:31:52.600 --> 01:31:54.359
it's not just a statistic about level

01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:56.199
Crossings removed you know that flies in

01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:58.840
and out of the news it's about the

01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.119
amenity that's provided to the community

01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:03.239
long after the cranes in the hivs of

01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:06.840
left site so I really hope we can start

01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:10.520
talking engaging and working together to

01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.760
build uh a great project thank

01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:16.960
you thank you very much Council Cochran

01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:18.720
I'll now put this item to the vote all

01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:20.600
those in

01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:23.720
favour I declare that carried unanimously

01:32:23.800 --> 01:32:25.880
thank

01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:28.319
you wonderful councilors we'll move on

01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:31.319
to item 7.6 the adoption of the Kingston

01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:33.520
Green wedge management plan 2023 and

01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.039
planning scheme Amendment thank you

01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:37.279
councilor

01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:40.640
stos I have a reworded

01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:43.640
motion D thank you I'd like to move that

01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:45.279
as it appears on the screen thank you

01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:47.199
very much councilor stos and I believe

01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:49.560
that's seconded by councilor Davies you

01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:54.359
thank you um we we uh considered uh this

01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.760
item about two months ago when we put it

01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.199
out for consultation so I don't believe

01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:03.439
it requires significant debate tonight

01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:06.800
um other than to really say that I know

01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:08.840
that a significant amount of work has

01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:09.920
occurred

01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:13.880
between um the October meeting and

01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:16.800
tonight particularly in relation to the

01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:18.720
preparation of a planning scheme

01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:22.439
Amendment um and uh having examined or

01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:23.600
having looked through the planning

01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:27.079
scheme Amendment um I I think it really

01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:30.359
speaks to uh you know it's really a

01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:33.479
credit actually to Paul mden and um the

01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:37.920
team in um strategic planning um I think

01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:39.279
this is a really

01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:42.560
important excuse me this is a really

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:44.680
important step for our Council to be

01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:48.760
taking um this particular plan um has

01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:52.960
been in draft form uh since since 2021

01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:55.680
it was a process that we started in um

01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:58.680
in the last Council um and it's time

01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:02.039
that we uh close the circle on this item

01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:04.600
as I said it's been debated

01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:06.800
significantly uh two months ago and I

01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:10.319
don't want to um take up more time than

01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:12.520
necessary thank you very much councilor

01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:14.600
stos councilor

01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:16.479
Davies you

01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:18.640
reserve would any other councilors like

01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:20.399
to speak to this

01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:23.279
item

01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:26.000
no councilor St a closing comment thank

01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:28.159
you I will close which is unusual

01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:29.840
because I did want to um draw

01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:32.399
councilor's attention to the changed or

01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:35.600
the new three so nothing's been removed

01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:37.760
but and there's an extra three that's

01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:40.359
been added and they've been renumbered

01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:43.079
simply to um empower the officers to

01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:45.000
correct any inaccuracies or errors in

01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:48.600
the maps appendices or figures um in the

01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:52.079
plan and to include um

01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:55.000
um in the plan the adopted chain of

01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:57.119
parks master plan which which was

01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.800
adopted in 2020 thank you thank you very

01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:02.319
much councilor stos I'll now put this

01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:04.720
item to the vote all those in

01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:08.439
favour I declare that carried

01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:11.560
unanimously councilor's item 7.7

01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.479
Amendment c215 consideration of planning

01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:17.880
panel report councilor

01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:19.880
Hill yes I'd just like to move the

01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:21.840
officer recommendation thank you

01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:22.840
thank

01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:26.319
you councilors do we have a

01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:28.600
second councilor Davies thank you

01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:30.840
councilor

01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:34.920
Hill yeah thank you mayor JD jdb um look

01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:37.199
I I only need to be very brief on this

01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:43.479
one um this is a a um a an amendment

01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:45.960
relating to a Heritage building in

01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:48.840
menone um we had a we had a planning

01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:51.479
panel hearing around six or seven weeks

01:35:51.560 --> 01:35:54.439
ago um I was able to attend part of that

01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:58.039
meeting um which was uh you know very

01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:00.319
interesting just to listen into I know

01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:02.640
the owner had the um opportunity to

01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:05.880
speak um to the planning panel also as

01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:08.800
well as our heritage expert and I think

01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:13.600
um an engineer just talking to the um uh

01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:16.960
the structure of of the building as well

01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:19.399
um the net findings of the panel is that

01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:21.520
they're they're um supportive of the

01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.560
exhibited amendment and um they

01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:26.239
satisfied that the Heritage assessment

01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:28.640
methodology is sound and consistent with

01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:31.680
best practice um that the

01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:33.720
building one thing that came up was

01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.079
around building condition um development

01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:39.079
opportunity property value um personal

01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:43.359
health uh financial implications Etc um

01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:47.119
but those are not um factors which can

01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:50.520
be um I guess decided upon with regards

01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:55.720
to this potential hearing um and whilst

01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:57.520
like we a number of councilors have had

01:36:57.600 --> 01:36:58.680
the opportunity to walk through the

01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:00.479
building there's no doubt that it is in

01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:04.439
a deteriorated condition um however our

01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:07.840
specialist was able to um advise us that

01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:11.840
it in their expert opinion um this the

01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:14.279
condition could be rectified so it's a

01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:16.199
really important building for the

01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:18.520
reasons that we discussed at previous

01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:21.439
meetings um there was a question Mark

01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:22.920
over the condition whether it could be

01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:26.520
brought back to you know to good form

01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:29.199
again um our experts are advising us

01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:31.520
that yes it can the recommendation of

01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:36.159
the panel is um very much in favour of of

01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:39.319
um of uh yeah the Heritage listing of

01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:42.199
this property so for me it it just seems

01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:44.000
all you know straightforward from there

01:37:44.079 --> 01:37:46.279
on in um these are our experts that's

01:37:46.359 --> 01:37:47.720
why we appoint them and I I think we

01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:49.800
should uh listen to their advice so

01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:51.479
thank you thank you very very much

01:37:51.560 --> 01:37:53.039
councilor Hill councilor Davies your

01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:55.399
reserve any other councilors thank you

01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:57.880
councilor

01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:01.800
Oxley thank you um in these types of

01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:04.119
scenarios where we have uh Heritage

01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:06.319
applications come to us um for the

01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:08.680
approval of planning scheme amendments

01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:11.399
um in relation to Heritage I I'm always

01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:13.720
a bit torn because whilst I'm very

01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:15.920
supportive of preserving Our Heritage

01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:17.600
throughout the city these are

01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:19.920
fundamentally private homes and this

01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:21.960
will be what I'm about to say is nothing

01:38:22.039 --> 01:38:24.199
new to anyone around the table but these

01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:28.640
are people's homes that we are putting a

01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:32.479
Heritage ovet over whereby that Heritage

01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.319
ovet in this case was not there when

01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:37.479
this person purchased this

01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:40.319
property they were unaware that Council

01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:43.479
was potentially going down this path and

01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:45.840
in fact Council put in an intram overlay

01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:48.199
over this property after they'd received

01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:50.399
a demolition permit after someone had

01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:51.600
gone through

01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.920
through getting plans to develop a

01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.079
property and I'm all for preserving Our

01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:00.840
Heritage but I'm also for a property

01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:03.640
owner's rights I'm also for a property

01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:06.239
owner being informed when they purchase

01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:09.000
properties and I'm also for us working

01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:12.159
with a property owner to see what's

01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:14.600
possible and in these types of scenarios

01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:16.239
and we're not the only Council that do

01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:19.520
this we don't do that we put in inum

01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:21.920
overlays we whack Heritage overlays on

01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:24.359
people's properties their homes and we

01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:27.039
say oh well it's it's not really

01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:28.479
relevant the building condition the

01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:29.800
development opportunity the property

01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:31.000
value the personal health and the

01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:31.960
financial

01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:33.840
implications are not relevant when

01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:35.880
assessing the Heritage significance and

01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:37.439
while in a deteriorated condition the

01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:38.840
Heritage values of the property are

01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:41.239
still legible and as advised by experts

01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:42.840
its condition can be

01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:44.640
rectified by

01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:47.159
who who is rectifying the condition of

01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:50.119
this Heritage Property with significant

01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:51.760
cost

01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:53.119
the person who owns the property after

01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:54.760
we've put a Heritage overlay on it and

01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:57.279
and and ask them to expend a significant

01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.039
amount of

01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:04.319
money I'm I'm just saddened that we

01:40:04.399 --> 01:40:07.119
continue to go through this process

01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:10.079
without putting other processes in place

01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:12.279
that might make us doing this a little

01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:15.039
bit less painful to a resident to a rate

01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:16.880
payer in the city of

01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.880
Kingston potentially a further rate rate

01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:22.800
rebate potentially some support in the

01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:24.479
form of Heritage grants that other

01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:27.359
councils I know are considering as well

01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:29.239
but we keep going and doing this without

01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:31.880
doing that work first to actually

01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:34.000
support residents who get a Heritage

01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:35.800
overlay whacked on their property it's

01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:38.960
not a nice thing and I think we could do

01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:41.520
this in a much better way to bring

01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:43.680
residents on the journey with us of

01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:46.239
preserving the heritage in our city

01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:48.199
rather than just saying I know it's your

01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:50.680
home but now you do all of this we've

01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:52.079
put the Heritage overlay because it

01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:55.000
looks nice to people walking past and

01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:56.960
that's fundamentally what we're doing

01:40:57.039 --> 01:40:59.359
there is a much better way to do this

01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:01.760
and I really hope that before we get to

01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:04.359
considering more properties we can do

01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:07.399
something about the way that we do

01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:10.439
this thank you very much councilor Oxley

01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:12.239
any other councilors like to speak to

01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:13.760
this thank you councilor

01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:18.000
Eden uh yes thank you I um some

01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:19.359
councilors might remember around the

01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:21.640
table we recently had a discussion

01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:24.000
around potentially amending the way in

01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:26.640
which meetings are run to allow people

01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:30.159
to speak to items uh that I proposed

01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:32.359
such as this that weren't necessarily

01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.039
planning applications but were items

01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:37.680
where someone is so individually

01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:39.680
impacted that they should have at least

01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.920
an opportunity to present to this forum

01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.640
alas that didn't happen but I know

01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:48.359
firsthand that these owners have reached

01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:50.479
out and tried to reach out to councilors

01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:54.039
on numerous uh occasions uh to discuss

01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:56.479
their concerns and they ventilated those

01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:00.159
prior to other decisions what I would

01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:04.239
say is that this um report that we have

01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:08.560
back is in no way surprising anyone who

01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:10.600
was familiar with the process knew what

01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:13.039
would be in the report when it came back

01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:15.479
maybe not verbatim but would have been

01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:17.479
fairly confident in knowing what the

01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:18.800
outcomes and

01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:21.800
recommendations would have been

01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:24.439
I reflect on a past decision of this

01:42:24.520 --> 01:42:27.159
Council not far away it was and some

01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:28.920
people may know it it was the Mentone

01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:31.520
toilets at the back of the shops they

01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:35.079
were seen to have a Heritage value but

01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.279
Council also realized at the time that

01:42:38.359 --> 01:42:41.039
to restore a site that's falling into

01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:44.079
disrepair you need investment and when

01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:46.560
you have something like that that could

01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:48.279
take hundreds of thousands of dollars

01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:49.560
and we're talking just about a toilet

01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:53.039
block to to restore and to invest into

01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:55.000
to bring it back to its former Glory

01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:58.079
Days of course with an unlimited budget

01:42:58.159 --> 01:42:59.720
and a pool of money we could have done

01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:02.640
that but Council I believe was prudent

01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:03.960
at the time and said no we need

01:43:04.039 --> 01:43:07.640
functional toilets uh in a functional

01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:10.079
location so as a council we actually

01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:11.840
have just left those toilets to rot and

01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:14.079
to fall down into a state of

01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:16.640
disrepair Council didn't invest into the

01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:19.600
Heritage that it owns nor into the

01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:22.760
investment that's Community Asset yet we

01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.279
talk about the ability for a property to

01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:28.000
be restored and that people can restore

01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:31.239
it of course they can but they need

01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:33.960
money and when I talk to people in our

01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:37.000
community people just aren't flush with

01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:40.760
cash to undertake projects on council's

01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:43.880
behalf paying their rate bills are a big

01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:47.640
enough hit each year let alone restoring

01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:50.159
buildings so I think for us to look at

01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:54.199
this as a win needs to be considered in

01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:56.479
a retrospective manner from 10 years

01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:58.760
down the track and for people to look

01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.319
back and say what was the outcome of

01:44:01.399 --> 01:44:03.520
that we spent tens of thousands going to

01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:06.479
a panel where's that owner Now where's

01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.680
that family now where is the benefit to

01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:12.119
the community and who are the 10 or 20

01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.880
or 500 people who have benefited because

01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:17.560
when Council considered spending its own

01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:19.319
money on toilets around the corner of

01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:22.039
Heritage value didn't occur but when

01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:24.359
someone else owns it Council requests

01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:26.960
that they do thank you thank you very

01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:28.680
much councilor Eden put any other

01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:31.800
councilors thank you councilor

01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:35.199
Davies um thank you um look I just just

01:44:35.279 --> 01:44:37.000
to clarify I don't actually see this as

01:44:37.079 --> 01:44:40.279
a sort of a win loss argument um I know

01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:41.920
Council Reen did make that reference but

01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:44.920
I personally don't see that as that way

01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:47.319
um I do think it has been really

01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:49.119
important I did have very strong

01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:52.439
criticism of the process on how we l her

01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:55.199
um Heritage listing without engaging

01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:57.680
with the homeowners and we have had

01:44:57.760 --> 01:44:59.520
workshops and discussions about that and

01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:01.560
we are changing our processes so that we

01:45:01.640 --> 01:45:04.039
do engage with them and in relation to

01:45:04.119 --> 01:45:06.239
this property every single councilor

01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:09.239
here was invited by the owner to come to

01:45:09.319 --> 01:45:11.600
the property and I know that councilor W

01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:14.079
myself and councilor Hill very kindly

01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:16.640
accepted that generous invitation and we

01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:19.039
met with the owners and it was a three

01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:21.239
generational family that is there

01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:23.600
and under no circumstances did I take

01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:25.800
lightly the decision that we were being

01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:28.640
asked to make but I recognize that we as

01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:31.680
a council we do have a process where we

01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:35.000
recognize history and Heritage Australia

01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:38.680
has a very very very long history and we

01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:40.600
as a council decided that we are going

01:45:40.680 --> 01:45:43.600
to protect our heritage there are so

01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:47.079
many amazing Heritage homes scattered

01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:49.800
throughout Victoria where people do

01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:51.760
spend the money Mone and do make them

01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:53.880
look amazing and they're livable and

01:45:53.960 --> 01:45:56.079
they're fantastic and we either support

01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:58.560
Heritage or we don't and we engage with

01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:00.600
our community and we changed we've

01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:03.880
changed the processes and I I do want it

01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:06.359
acknowledged that the officer involved

01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:09.479
in this Amber swales has done an amazing

01:46:09.560 --> 01:46:13.319
job of engaging with the owners and the

01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:15.840
owners were represented they had experts

01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:19.079
and they were part of the process so I

01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:21.399
do think all that is very important to

01:46:21.479 --> 01:46:23.840
recognize and I stood here at the last

01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:26.039
meeting where we discussed this and said

01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:29.039
I am not qualified to decide if a home

01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:31.680
is Heritage listed or not an expert

01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:33.880
should look at it and we now have that

01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:36.760
expert report and I will be following

01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:39.560
the recommendation of the expert thank

01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:42.119
you thank you councilor

01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:44.560
Davies would any other Council like to

01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:46.319
thank you councilor

01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:50.800
stos thank you um just to clarify on

01:46:50.880 --> 01:46:54.399
something that councilor Eden touched on

01:46:54.479 --> 01:46:57.920
um I'm not I would like to um ask the

01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.439
relevant officer whether or not the

01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:04.000
toilets um that he referred to are

01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:06.760
Heritage listed either in a local or

01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:09.079
state

01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:12.279
Register thank you uh Council stos Mr

01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:15.239
kman through you mayor um jdb I just

01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:17.319
need a sec to check the list thank you

01:47:17.399 --> 01:47:19.279
we'll just take a moment to source that

01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:21.760
information thank you Mr Gman thank you

01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.159
Mr Gutman just while you're doing that

01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:27.279
what I'll um speak to is that I do know

01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:30.359
that Council does own a number of

01:47:30.439 --> 01:47:34.159
buildings that are either locally listed

01:47:34.239 --> 01:47:38.279
or state listed uh and that includes the

01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:41.640
Masonic Lodge in Mor alic uh which is

01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:43.800
now called um platform

01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:47.680
81 uh it includes the Chelsea courthouse

01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.319
uh which is used as a museum now uh it

01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:53.840
includes the Mentone soer Pavilion um

01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:56.239
which is still a working Pavilion that

01:47:56.319 --> 01:47:59.600
we have um and it's utilized by the

01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:02.319
Menon sa beads football club and

01:48:02.399 --> 01:48:05.479
Associated Cricket clubs Etc um we also

01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:09.560
have the old Bakery uh in mennon um

01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:11.399
which a number of councilors actually

01:48:11.479 --> 01:48:13.560
visited recently to visit the museum

01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:18.720
there um and we also um invested even

01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:20.760
though we don't own it

01:48:20.840 --> 01:48:22.920
um we've invested millions of dollars in

01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:24.560
restoring all of those

01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:26.960
buildings multiples of millions of

01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:29.680
dollars um but also millions in

01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:32.000
restoring uh tens of thousands in

01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:35.439
restoring the NY sign um so I think that

01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:39.680
there is um a place for Council uh to

01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:41.720
invest in Heritage where we own the

01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:44.560
building uh or where we can partner uh

01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:46.560
with the private sector as we did with

01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:49.000
the nyac sign uh to ensure that we can

01:48:49.079 --> 01:48:51.640
restore heritage and bring it back um

01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:54.239
for the enjoyment of the community thank

01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:55.920
you very much councilor

01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:59.800
stos uh Mr

01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:03.359
Gutman through you mayor jdb it's um

01:49:03.439 --> 01:49:05.760
that site does not appear listed just

01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:08.560
based on my quick analysis of the map

01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:10.840
thank you very much for checking Council

01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:15.119
stos any further questions thank

01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:19.760
you council is any further um debate

01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:22.079
required on this

01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:25.680
matter councilor Hill would you like to

01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:28.960
close yeah thank you again mayor um look

01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:31.079
really what we're being asked to um

01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:33.600
decide upon tonight is whether a

01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:36.560
Heritage overlay is Justified on this

01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:39.800
property um and like just simply

01:49:39.880 --> 01:49:42.239
reading um one of the lines from the

01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:44.239
report it says exactly that it says

01:49:44.319 --> 01:49:46.079
noting the outcomes of the panel process

01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:47.800
it is clear that the property of 86

01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:50.000
Menton parade Mentone meets the

01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:52.479
threshold of local Heritage significance

01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:54.159
and the application of the Heritage

01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:58.760
overlay is Justified so um again um I

01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:00.920
think given this is the process that

01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:04.840
we've been asked to um uh go down uh we

01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:08.199
have a report from experts you know I

01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:11.479
think as councilor Davies rightly said I

01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:14.239
myself uh no councilor here as a

01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:16.840
Heritage expert we rely on our experts

01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:20.920
to um give us advice and um um unless

01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:22.720
there was good reason why not to listen

01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.119
to that advice I think it would be

01:50:24.199 --> 01:50:26.520
prudent to follow the advice that we've

01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:28.760
received so thank you thank you very

01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:30.359
much councilor hill councilors I'll now

01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:33.319
put this item to the vote all those four

01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:36.000
please raise your

01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:40.159
hand thank you all those

01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:44.039
against thank you I declare that

01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.359
carried thank you councilor Oxley we

01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:48.720
call for a division so all of those

01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:50.279
councilors who wish to vote for four

01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:52.520
could you please stand and I'll read

01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:55.720
your names councilor Cochran councilor

01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:58.159
Davies councilor

01:50:58.239 --> 01:51:00.600
Hill councilor

01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:04.560
Beasley councilor Sab councilor

01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:07.399
stacos and councilor oh sorry mayor Davy

01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:10.840
Burns thank you all those

01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:14.319
against thank you councilor Eden

01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:17.680
councilor Oxley councilor how and

01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:18.880
councilor

01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.239
H

01:51:21.319 --> 01:51:24.520
thank you very much councilors uh next

01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:26.039
oh sorry I declare that carry thank you

01:51:26.119 --> 01:51:28.119
very much for reminding

01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:31.960
me our next item is 7.8 community-led

01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:35.079
climate action council's role and next

01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:38.399
steps councilors do we have a

01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:40.800
motion thank you councilor stos and

01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:42.880
second and councilor s councilor stos

01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:44.199
thank

01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:48.880
you he reserve thank you councilor

01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:53.439
sub I'll just speak briefly to this

01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:56.840
sorry is that working yes it is okay uh

01:51:56.920 --> 01:51:59.199
I'll just speak briefly to this just to

01:51:59.279 --> 01:52:00.960
commend what we're actually trying to

01:52:01.039 --> 01:52:02.880
achieve this evening which is to empower

01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.479
our community um we know that the best

01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:08.560
way to make change and climate action is

01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:11.000
Grassroots levels and it's community-led

01:52:11.079 --> 01:52:13.880
it can't just be Council L um uh and

01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:15.199
this is what we're seeking to do this

01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:17.239
evening really it sets out I guess the

01:52:17.319 --> 01:52:18.600
guidance and the understanding as well

01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:21.239
as anou um with a community group so

01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:23.560
that we can move forward in giving our

01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:26.359
community the same level of uh ability

01:52:26.439 --> 01:52:29.840
to um enact change um in alignment with

01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:33.279
what council's objectives are thank you

01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:36.079
thank you very much Council Sab councel

01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:38.000
is there any further speaking time thank

01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:41.800
you councilor Eden uh yes thank you and

01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:44.359
uh I fully support Council taking uh

01:52:44.439 --> 01:52:46.239
action in this space and I think as an

01:52:46.319 --> 01:52:48.000
organization there's a lot that we can

01:52:48.079 --> 01:52:50.359
do uh with the talent that we have

01:52:50.439 --> 01:52:52.800
within our staff pool uh and with the

01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:56.039
organizations that we work with what I

01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:58.199
did want to draw to council's attention

01:52:58.279 --> 01:53:00.159
and I will propose an amendment on it

01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:02.319
having gone through this in some

01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:04.920
detail uh is that there are quite a few

01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:06.640
concerns raised with respect to the

01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:09.479
governance um and that would be and I

01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:11.319
note that it is confidential but I don't

01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.119
believe it is confidential as it is in

01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:16.479
the public agenda that there is a um

01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:18.720
appendix in here which if read in

01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:20.960
conjunction with the concerns raised by

01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:23.000
governance we hear that uh the

01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:24.800
governance team have identified a number

01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:26.840
of probity and process elements that

01:53:26.920 --> 01:53:28.439
require further consideration and

01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:31.600
expression in any future eoi document uh

01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:33.439
further consultation with governance

01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:35.000
would be required to better understand

01:53:35.079 --> 01:53:37.720
the options available uh procurement

01:53:37.800 --> 01:53:40.000
team have indicated that an eii process

01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:41.720
or similar would be required to seek

01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:43.279
submissions from registered Community

01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:45.600
groups as opposed to dealing exclusively

01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:47.960
with a single entity a heads of

01:53:48.039 --> 01:53:50.079
agreement may be suitable once an e has

01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:51.479
been prepared that interested and

01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:53.359
suitably experienced groups May respond

01:53:53.439 --> 01:53:55.520
to uh and then we get to the legal

01:53:55.600 --> 01:53:59.119
concerns again of a very similar nature

01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:03.479
my concerns are are fundamentally that

01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:05.319
we need to ensure that whoever we

01:54:05.399 --> 01:54:08.279
partner with is going to deliver uh or

01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:10.479
if Council chooses to partner that's

01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:13.079
probably the first question deliver uh

01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:17.039
very clear tangible outcomes for the

01:54:17.119 --> 01:54:19.800
community uh I note that in the public

01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:21.960
report there's discussions around the

01:54:22.039 --> 01:54:24.199
amount of money being tens of thousands

01:54:24.279 --> 01:54:26.319
a year uh in terms of the cap for

01:54:26.399 --> 01:54:29.399
partnership grants but uh there is

01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:31.079
potential that some individuals may want

01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:33.640
to go well beyond that or below that uh

01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:36.079
but what my number one concern here is

01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:39.560
that any money is prudently spent uh by

01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:42.239
a group if we give it to them so I do

01:54:42.319 --> 01:54:44.800
just want to propose uh an

01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:47.399
amendment uh to this if I may and I'll

01:54:47.479 --> 01:54:49.119
read that out just so we can get it up

01:54:49.199 --> 01:54:51.279
on the SC

01:54:51.359 --> 01:54:53.399
screen uh and that would just be a

01:54:53.479 --> 01:54:56.119
fourth

01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:59.439
Point uh and that would be as follows

01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:01.119
just let me know uh when you're ready

01:55:01.199 --> 01:55:03.439
for

01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:15.039
that uh that all funds provided to any

01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:18.000
organization or

01:55:18.079 --> 01:55:20.880
entity be on the

01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:23.760
basis that it will not be

01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:27.079
used for election

01:55:27.159 --> 01:55:30.479
purposes self-promotion or the promotion

01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:32.880
of private

01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:36.119
businesses owned or connected

01:55:36.199 --> 01:55:41.000
with the group's board or management

01:55:48.600 --> 01:55:51.600
team

01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:54.920
thank you Council Eden I'll just ask you

01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:57.560
to confirm the um amended motion there

01:55:57.640 --> 01:55:59.720
just on the screen and then I'll move uh

01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:03.880
to this move in seconda for their

01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:07.199
review sorry governance for just just

01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:09.199
confirming thank you to proceed

01:56:09.279 --> 01:56:10.960
fantastic thank you I will ask the move

01:56:11.039 --> 01:56:12.600
in the second of councilor stos and

01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:14.760
councilor Sab if you are agreeable to

01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:17.399
this amendment thank you look I I am but

01:56:17.479 --> 01:56:20.399
I think it should say that any funds

01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:23.199
because this no funds are being that any

01:56:23.279 --> 01:56:25.880
funds yeah approved tonight so it's all

01:56:25.960 --> 01:56:29.319
subject to so you um thank you councilor

01:56:29.399 --> 01:56:31.399
sa

01:56:31.479 --> 01:56:35.079
yes all right that has now um been um

01:56:35.159 --> 01:56:37.000
approved by the Mover and the seconder

01:56:37.079 --> 01:56:40.159
so sorry can I just I just want to ask a

01:56:40.239 --> 01:56:42.399
question just before I do agree to that

01:56:42.479 --> 01:56:44.039
I just want I don't know to the relevant

01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:48.399
officer um doesn't

01:56:48.479 --> 01:56:52.439
uhou or I guess any real um Partnerships

01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:53.960
that we have with organizations need to

01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:56.039
be in conjunction with rules that s kind

01:56:56.119 --> 01:56:59.720
of set out um individual gain or benefit

01:56:59.800 --> 01:57:02.520
anyway I'm just trying to understand

01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:04.119
thank you councilor Sab for your

01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:06.680
question I'll direct that through to Mr

01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:09.479
Gutman thank

01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:14.279
you or at least alignment with council's

01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:16.840
objectives

01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:21.399
anyway

01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:33.600
good sorry um through you mayor jdb

01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:36.039
um it's important that the context of

01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:37.840
this report is under understood for

01:57:37.920 --> 01:57:40.359
Council it's to bring a report back but

01:57:40.439 --> 01:57:43.840
if Council was to um exchange funds with

01:57:43.920 --> 01:57:46.000
a a body there would be a number of

01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:48.159
conditions that that body um would need

01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:50.279
to make would need to to meet whether

01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:54.119
they go to all the elements of um the

01:57:54.199 --> 01:57:58.800
proposed amendment I can't be explicit

01:57:58.880 --> 01:58:00.800
about but there would be terms and

01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:03.159
conditions um that may address some of

01:58:03.239 --> 01:58:06.079
those issues thank you thank you Mr

01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:09.600
Gutman councilor

01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:13.399
S I guess if if it's reflected in the

01:58:13.479 --> 01:58:15.199
report once this comes back just to see

01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:16.199
how that actually operates but I'm

01:58:16.279 --> 01:58:18.319
agreeable to the amend thank you very

01:58:18.399 --> 01:58:20.239
much that has been CED by the Mover and

01:58:20.319 --> 01:58:21.800
the second now becomes the substantive

01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:24.640
motion thank you councilor Eden uh yes

01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:26.000
thank you just to wrap up thank you to

01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:27.880
the Mover and second for accepting that

01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:30.279
I believe uh that the last thing we'd

01:58:30.359 --> 01:58:31.920
want to see is money that should be

01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:34.800
invested into the advocacy on important

01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:38.439
causes going towards the promotion of um

01:58:38.520 --> 01:58:40.479
individuals who may be involved in

01:58:40.560 --> 01:58:42.600
whether they call themselves Charities

01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:45.279
cooperatives uh or so forth for other

01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:47.439
purposes other than what is explicitly

01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:50.359
intended uh particularly giv given the

01:58:50.439 --> 01:58:53.319
potential uh large very large sums of

01:58:53.399 --> 01:58:55.279
money that may be uh considered in the

01:58:55.359 --> 01:58:58.000
future thank

01:58:58.359 --> 01:59:00.760
you thank you very much councilor Eden

01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:02.720
would any other councilors like to thank

01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:03.920
you Council

01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:06.800
Oxley thank you um I do note that this

01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:09.119
is just having a report come back so I

01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:10.880
suppose in general I'm I'm sort of happy

01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:13.439
to support that I will note my concerns

01:59:13.520 --> 01:59:15.800
though as to where this potentially

01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:17.760
might lead us um in terms of our other

01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:19.680
advisory groups on I'm sure there would

01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:22.399
be a lot of other groups out there that

01:59:22.479 --> 01:59:24.520
would very much say no a traditional

01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:26.119
Council LED group didn't meet the

01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:28.119
collective intent of of our group and

01:59:28.199 --> 01:59:29.960
would like to have a memorandum of

01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:31.920
understanding paying either a small

01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:34.640
amount or significant amount of money um

01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:36.359
the the draft one we see I can't

01:59:36.439 --> 01:59:37.760
obviously speak to because it's

01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:41.680
confidential um but I I just would flag

01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:44.960
my concerns with that um would flag the

01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:46.560
the governance concerns with that that I

01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:50.079
believe are quite significant um um and

01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:52.359
would just say that I'm not sure that's

01:59:52.439 --> 01:59:54.479
how we do our our consultation and our

01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:58.000
advocacy work um perhaps it's it's

01:59:58.079 --> 01:59:59.800
something we could trial in a way but

01:59:59.880 --> 02:00:02.520
I'm I would just flag I do have serious

02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:05.600
concerns about where this is going um it

02:00:05.680 --> 02:00:08.520
isn't actually in my view in in line

02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:10.039
with

02:00:10.119 --> 02:00:13.760
um what is in the serp um in terms of an

02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:16.560
Advisory Group focused on climate change

02:00:16.640 --> 02:00:18.600
aimed at ongoing two-way conversation I

02:00:18.680 --> 02:00:19.920
think that was very much intended to be

02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:23.039
an Advisory Group um in our usual sense

02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:26.520
of advisory committees um so look up

02:00:26.600 --> 02:00:28.239
I'll be interested to see where this

02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:32.119
goes but do have some serious concerns

02:00:32.199 --> 02:00:34.159
thank you very much Council

02:00:34.239 --> 02:00:36.319
Oxley any other councilors wishing to

02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:38.479
speak to this item councilor

02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:41.239
how thank you and the City of Kingston

02:00:41.319 --> 02:00:44.199
has many many objectives and it

02:00:44.279 --> 02:00:46.560
facilitates those objectives through its

02:00:46.640 --> 02:00:51.039
Workforce of I believe 15 100 staff

02:00:51.119 --> 02:00:53.159
we've got 1500 staff to meet our

02:00:53.239 --> 02:00:55.079
objectives there's absolutely no

02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:57.319
rational reason why a third party group

02:00:57.399 --> 02:01:00.119
should be financed by the council we

02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:02.880
have those 1500 members according to the

02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:05.279
council's web page to meet our

02:01:05.359 --> 02:01:08.319
objectives it wouldn't pass the pub test

02:01:08.399 --> 02:01:11.239
I thank councilor Eden for attempting to

02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:13.439
tackle some of the governance issues

02:01:13.520 --> 02:01:15.439
where there may be potentially some

02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:17.600
misappropriation of of funds as he's

02:01:17.680 --> 02:01:19.479
contented with his item that's been

02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:22.800
added to the screen but really with the

02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:25.720
1500 members of this Council

02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:28.159
organization why on Earth would you be

02:01:28.239 --> 02:01:30.279
involved in a third party

02:01:30.359 --> 02:01:32.800
group the most efficient way to use the

02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:35.800
rate pay funds is with their own

02:01:35.880 --> 02:01:38.000
staff and one of the things I hear when

02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:39.479
I go out and I speak to the public is

02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:40.920
they're tired of the council wasting

02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:42.079
rayer

02:01:42.159 --> 02:01:44.239
money and you've got a Workforce here

02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:45.600
that can get the job done and that's

02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:46.640
what they should do if that's the

02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:48.479
council's outcome and they set an

02:01:48.560 --> 02:01:51.159
objective then use the use the workforce

02:01:51.239 --> 02:01:53.319
you've got here to go and Achieve those

02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:55.960
outcomes absolutely zero excuses for

02:01:56.039 --> 02:01:59.399
even having this up honestly thank you

02:01:59.479 --> 02:02:01.000
thank you councilor Hal any other

02:02:01.079 --> 02:02:04.560
councilors wishing to speak to this

02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:08.199
item thank you coun councilors I I would

02:02:08.279 --> 02:02:11.680
like to commend this uh report um and

02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:13.880
the work that's being done by the

02:02:13.960 --> 02:02:16.039
community in supporting

02:02:16.119 --> 02:02:19.359
council's um Ser uh and the strategy

02:02:19.439 --> 02:02:20.960
that we've undertaken not only to

02:02:21.039 --> 02:02:23.560
declare a climate emergency but actually

02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:26.760
to do something about it um I would also

02:02:26.840 --> 02:02:32.159
like to state that um that I'm very um

02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:35.680
mindful um that nobody is casting any

02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:38.279
aspersions on the motivations of the

02:02:38.359 --> 02:02:40.880
community members who have come forward

02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:43.800
um and who do want to support council's

02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:46.319
work in this area um I think a lot of

02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:48.159
the people are very passionate uh

02:02:48.239 --> 02:02:49.600
they're very committed

02:02:49.680 --> 02:02:52.079
um and they do want to see real change

02:02:52.159 --> 02:02:53.319
happen at the

02:02:53.399 --> 02:02:56.000
Grassroots um and that's really what

02:02:56.079 --> 02:02:59.560
this is about Council actually does fund

02:02:59.640 --> 02:03:02.640
third party organizations um not only

02:03:02.720 --> 02:03:06.359
through um our massive grants program

02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:08.159
which we've been talking about

02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.960
significantly this year at the uh where

02:03:11.039 --> 02:03:14.079
we invest something like $1.8 million a

02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:16.399
year um on funding third party

02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:19.239
organizations and groups um to do and

02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:21.520
deliver the kinds of services that we

02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:24.079
just can't do and get around to um with

02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:26.840
the staff that we've got um but we also

02:03:26.920 --> 02:03:29.520
through a range of other mechanisms and

02:03:29.600 --> 02:03:34.199
other um and other relationships um do

02:03:34.279 --> 02:03:36.119
partner with a range of other

02:03:36.199 --> 02:03:38.880
organizations um to make sure uh that

02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:42.159
we're able to deliver uh on all of our

02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:44.560
strategies and policies so um I just

02:03:44.640 --> 02:03:47.159
want to make sure if any of the

02:03:47.239 --> 02:03:49.840
community members uh from that group I'd

02:03:49.920 --> 02:03:52.640
like to personally thank them uh for all

02:03:52.720 --> 02:03:54.439
of the work that they've done up until

02:03:54.520 --> 02:03:57.159
this point in supporting council's

02:03:57.239 --> 02:03:59.840
objectives through the Ser um and to let

02:03:59.920 --> 02:04:01.800
them know that I do value the work they

02:04:01.880 --> 02:04:04.000
do and the work that they will continue

02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:06.079
to do um and then I'm really looking

02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:08.560
forward to seeing the uh follow-up

02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:11.520
report uh when it comes back to council

02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:13.199
um so that we can make a considered

02:04:13.279 --> 02:04:15.840
decision based on an officer report

02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:17.000
thank

02:04:17.079 --> 02:04:20.800
you thank you very much councilor

02:04:20.880 --> 02:04:23.720
stost no further debate required

02:04:23.800 --> 02:04:25.840
councilors been advised by governance

02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:27.359
that given you had reserved your

02:04:27.439 --> 02:04:29.600
speaking time you're also entitled to a

02:04:29.680 --> 02:04:31.319
close if you wish councilor stos thank

02:04:31.399 --> 02:04:33.600
you for confirming councilors I'll now

02:04:33.680 --> 02:04:38.319
put this item to the vote all those in

02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:44.119
favour thank you all those

02:04:44.199 --> 02:04:47.119
against all those

02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:48.920
abstaining thank you very much much

02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:52.000
councilors I declare that

02:04:53.239 --> 02:04:55.439
carried councilors the next item on the

02:04:55.520 --> 02:04:57.640
agenda this evening is 7.9 the cat

02:04:57.720 --> 02:04:59.760
confinement

02:04:59.840 --> 02:05:02.439
order just one moment thank you

02:05:02.520 --> 02:05:05.319
councilor stos do you like to move the

02:05:05.399 --> 02:05:06.960
recommendation on the screen thank you

02:05:07.039 --> 02:05:09.359
for confirming and councilor Hill

02:05:09.439 --> 02:05:11.159
seconding thank you councilor

02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:15.920
stos your reserve thank you councilor

02:05:17.119 --> 02:05:19.960
Hill yes thank you you just very briefly

02:05:20.039 --> 02:05:22.880
this is a really simple one uh proposing

02:05:22.960 --> 02:05:25.840
the continuation of the current

02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:28.680
um curfew that's in place which is I

02:05:28.760 --> 02:05:32.159
think from sun sunset to Sunrise um it's

02:05:32.239 --> 02:05:33.479
noted that there are a number of

02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:36.720
councils around uh Victoria that have a

02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:39.880
24-hour cat curfew there is work being

02:05:39.960 --> 02:05:42.279
currently done at state and federal

02:05:42.359 --> 02:05:44.840
level and um the recommendation that

02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:47.000
we're receiving is that it's best at

02:05:47.079 --> 02:05:48.319
this point in time to continue the

02:05:48.399 --> 02:05:49.479
current

02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:52.880
um curfew as it stands are waiting for

02:05:52.960 --> 02:05:56.239
um outcomes of of that uh work that's

02:05:56.319 --> 02:05:58.039
being done at other levels of government

02:05:58.119 --> 02:06:00.119
so that's all thank you thank you very

02:06:00.199 --> 02:06:02.800
much councilor Hill councilors are there

02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:04.720
any objections to this item otherwise

02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:06.680
I'll put it to the

02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:10.359
vote thank you councilors I'll um ask

02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:13.359
councilor stos if you'd like to close no

02:06:13.439 --> 02:06:16.000
oh sorry councilor Davies you're

02:06:16.079 --> 02:06:18.880
okay we'll keep it moving thank you if

02:06:18.960 --> 02:06:20.359
there's no closing Council stake also

02:06:20.439 --> 02:06:23.399
put the item to the vote all those in

02:06:23.479 --> 02:06:26.680
favour and all those against all those

02:06:26.760 --> 02:06:28.359
abstaining thank you very much

02:06:28.439 --> 02:06:31.520
councilors I declare that

02:06:32.199 --> 02:06:35.439
carried thank you our next item is 7.10

02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:37.560
dog control

02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:41.359
order councilors do we have a motion

02:06:41.439 --> 02:06:44.119
thank you councilor

02:06:44.199 --> 02:06:47.520
Cochran move the motion as it

02:06:47.600 --> 02:06:49.239
PE

02:06:49.319 --> 02:06:50.600
on the screen thank you for confirming

02:06:50.680 --> 02:06:54.039
that councilor Cochran do we have a

02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:57.239
seconder thank you councilor stakos

02:06:57.319 --> 02:06:58.880
councilor

02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:01.960
Cochran uh thank you uh mayor JDP I

02:07:02.039 --> 02:07:04.760
think this one strikes a really good

02:07:04.840 --> 02:07:06.520
balance

02:07:06.600 --> 02:07:08.920
obviously um there was concern within

02:07:09.000 --> 02:07:10.960
the community that our parks and our

02:07:11.039 --> 02:07:12.640
Open Spaces were torn up and there might

02:07:12.720 --> 02:07:15.880
be some concerns for for safety but at

02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:17.560
the same time people need to live a

02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:19.000
little bit um

02:07:19.079 --> 02:07:22.000
I believe anyway so basically what we're

02:07:22.079 --> 02:07:24.039
asking is go go out to

02:07:24.119 --> 02:07:27.399
consultation and limit any one person to

02:07:27.479 --> 02:07:29.079
having four dogs within a dog park and

02:07:29.159 --> 02:07:31.079
that's simply just because you can't

02:07:31.159 --> 02:07:33.720
have effective control um but definitely

02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:36.079
not imposing any limits on actually

02:07:36.159 --> 02:07:38.560
having dogs on lead because uh some

02:07:38.640 --> 02:07:39.600
businesses

02:07:39.680 --> 02:07:41.840
operate and we don't I don't want to

02:07:41.920 --> 02:07:43.159
stop that thank

02:07:43.239 --> 02:07:45.479
you thank you very much councilor

02:07:45.560 --> 02:07:49.279
Cochran and councilor stos you reserve

02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:51.119
would any other councilors like to thank

02:07:51.199 --> 02:07:54.079
you councilor how thank you and the

02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:56.520
motion as it appears on the screen

02:07:56.600 --> 02:07:58.680
refers to designated off leash areas

02:07:58.760 --> 02:08:00.640
which also include the

02:08:00.720 --> 02:08:02.920
foreshore and that's where I have an

02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:04.840
issue because people can't even contain

02:08:04.920 --> 02:08:06.359
one dog on the on the

02:08:06.439 --> 02:08:09.279
foreshore we have examples down at Karen

02:08:09.359 --> 02:08:11.039
Beach this is what it says on the screen

02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:12.880
designated offl areas I've got that

02:08:12.960 --> 02:08:14.119
correct

02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:16.479
mayor thank you I'll just check with the

02:08:16.560 --> 02:08:18.920
Mover that's the intention

02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:20.039
thank you would you like me to ask any

02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:21.520
questions through the relevant officer

02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:23.279
that's fine thank you uh I have an

02:08:23.359 --> 02:08:25.920
example just recently where a lady was

02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:29.159
wed over by a dog I have examples where

02:08:29.239 --> 02:08:30.920
people been bitten by dogs I have

02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:33.640
examples where people have got into

02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:35.199
physical fights and punched each other

02:08:35.279 --> 02:08:37.840
at Kon Beach I have examples of where

02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:39.840
dogs have run across people's picnics I

02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:41.479
have examples of where dogs are just out

02:08:41.560 --> 02:08:43.800
of control I have complaints from dog

02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:46.319
owners at Karen Beach I have complaints

02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:48.760
from so many people that they can't even

02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:52.079
manage one dog they own four dogs

02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:53.880
there's absolutely no way I could

02:08:53.960 --> 02:08:56.920
imagine four dogs being under control uh

02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:58.880
down at Karen Beach because I just don't

02:08:58.960 --> 02:09:01.399
see that in my own lived experience so I

02:09:01.479 --> 02:09:03.039
find it quite difficult to support

02:09:03.119 --> 02:09:05.600
something like this where possibly if

02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:06.960
there's four dogs maybe they should all

02:09:07.039 --> 02:09:09.199
be on leads if they've been walked then

02:09:09.279 --> 02:09:10.680
they might have some level of effective

02:09:10.760 --> 02:09:13.960
control but I I see some serious

02:09:14.039 --> 02:09:16.680
problems with this but the biggest

02:09:16.760 --> 02:09:19.680
problem the biggest problem is

02:09:19.760 --> 02:09:22.079
enforcement the council staff they're

02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:24.439
just not there they're just not around

02:09:24.520 --> 02:09:26.039
when there's actually a problem someone

02:09:26.119 --> 02:09:28.279
could be supporting a local resident or

02:09:28.359 --> 02:09:29.920
someone's gone to a beach or they gone

02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:32.399
to a park where perhaps they do have an

02:09:32.479 --> 02:09:35.560
off late area there's no one there

02:09:35.640 --> 02:09:37.119
there's no one there to police there's

02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:39.079
no one there to enforce anything no one

02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:41.439
there enforce smoking uh on the

02:09:41.520 --> 02:09:43.159
foreshore no one there to enforce car

02:09:43.239 --> 02:09:46.079
parking often nor to enforce fires on

02:09:46.159 --> 02:09:48.279
the beach you see down at carum as well

02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:49.720
Force dogs off

02:09:49.800 --> 02:09:54.239
leash I just think this is just

02:09:54.319 --> 02:09:57.119
really just opening up even more to more

02:09:57.199 --> 02:09:58.920
problems occurring if people were even

02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:00.920
aware of this which they're probably not

02:10:01.000 --> 02:10:03.079
because they seem to just ignore

02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:06.119
everything um so I think there's some

02:10:06.199 --> 02:10:08.920
safety issues here to be honest and um

02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:10.960
yeah I can't support it thanks thank you

02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:13.680
very much Council Hal uh councilor

02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:16.359
Davies and then councilor stos thank you

02:10:16.439 --> 02:10:19.239
uh thank you uh May JD I do know that

02:10:19.319 --> 02:10:21.760
this is going to community consultation

02:10:21.840 --> 02:10:23.319
so first of all you know I think it'll

02:10:23.399 --> 02:10:24.560
be great that we will get the

02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:26.640
community's response back in relation to

02:10:26.720 --> 02:10:29.039
this I do know that our foreshore areas

02:10:29.119 --> 02:10:33.119
do have offleash and completely banned

02:10:33.199 --> 02:10:35.159
areas for example down at Morty Alec you

02:10:35.239 --> 02:10:37.319
cannot have any dogs at all on the sand

02:10:37.399 --> 02:10:40.319
there or on the boardwalk it does talk

02:10:40.399 --> 02:10:44.039
about dogs being under control and I do

02:10:44.119 --> 02:10:46.680
um take on board um you know the

02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:48.399
comments in relation to enforcement but

02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:51.079
I would actually like to say that I have

02:10:51.159 --> 02:10:53.479
had um requests from my community

02:10:53.560 --> 02:10:55.960
members in relation to dogs going into

02:10:56.039 --> 02:10:57.760
areas where they aren't supposed to be

02:10:57.840 --> 02:11:00.159
particularly at Jerry green and the

02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:01.720
response from the Enforcement Officers

02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:03.840
has been absolutely fantastic they have

02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:05.920
leased with the community they have

02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:08.159
turned up at the right time and they

02:11:08.239 --> 02:11:11.840
have warned and as necessary fined um

02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:13.520
some of the residents and you know I do

02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:15.039
recognize it is difficult because I

02:11:15.119 --> 02:11:17.079
can't be there everywhere at the same

02:11:17.159 --> 02:11:20.760
time but I do think that our officers do

02:11:20.840 --> 02:11:24.000
try to enforce um but either way I note

02:11:24.079 --> 02:11:26.000
that this is just going to community

02:11:26.079 --> 02:11:27.720
consultation and we're not actually

02:11:27.800 --> 02:11:30.199
making a decision on whether or not we

02:11:30.279 --> 02:11:33.239
are proceeding with it so thank you

02:11:33.319 --> 02:11:35.199
thank you councilor Davies councilor

02:11:35.279 --> 02:11:38.119
stos you uh thank

02:11:38.199 --> 02:11:43.319
you mayor Davey Burns um what I will say

02:11:43.399 --> 02:11:46.319
about this one is uh I'd like to thank

02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:49.000
councilor Cochran uh for for moving it

02:11:49.079 --> 02:11:51.439
and I'm happy to Second it simply

02:11:51.520 --> 02:11:55.000
because at the moment there is no limit

02:11:55.079 --> 02:11:58.680
on the number of dogs you can bring to

02:11:58.760 --> 02:12:03.399
an offleash area so if I had a business

02:12:03.479 --> 02:12:05.279
or if somebody had a business where they

02:12:05.359 --> 02:12:07.439
were a professional dog owner a dog

02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:10.680
walker they could pick up 20 dogs and

02:12:10.760 --> 02:12:13.000
bring them to an off lead area whether

02:12:13.079 --> 02:12:15.720
it's fenced or unfenced and allow the

02:12:15.800 --> 02:12:18.880
dogs to roam free with without effective

02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:21.439
control and that would be currently a

02:12:21.520 --> 02:12:23.840
permissible practice within the city of

02:12:23.920 --> 02:12:27.279
Kingston what this report is seeking to

02:12:27.359 --> 02:12:31.720
do is to limit that to a maximum of four

02:12:31.800 --> 02:12:34.840
uh in the report it shows that almost

02:12:34.920 --> 02:12:37.520
all dog owners in the city of Kingston

02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:40.800
own one or two dogs and a very small

02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:43.800
number own three or four and so for the

02:12:43.880 --> 02:12:46.520
very for the vast majority of Kingston

02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:49.920
dog owners this won't have a a material

02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:52.920
impact on their ability to utilize the

02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:55.159
dog off lead areas they'll still be able

02:12:55.239 --> 02:12:57.039
to bring down their four dogs to a fence

02:12:57.119 --> 02:12:59.560
dog off lead or even to caram beach or

02:12:59.640 --> 02:13:02.920
Mentone Beach and enjoy that what this

02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:06.000
is saying though is bringing 10 dogs

02:13:06.079 --> 02:13:09.000
bringing 20 dogs to an off lead area is

02:13:09.079 --> 02:13:11.159
no longer going to be tolerated by the

02:13:11.239 --> 02:13:13.560
city of Kingston and that where it's

02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:16.079
reported or where Council Rangers

02:13:16.159 --> 02:13:19.159
observe it there will be action taken so

02:13:19.239 --> 02:13:21.079
I think it is necessary for us to go

02:13:21.159 --> 02:13:23.760
ahead with this report for that reason

02:13:23.840 --> 02:13:27.399
and as councilor Davies uh said it is

02:13:27.479 --> 02:13:29.399
for consultation purposes and it will

02:13:29.479 --> 02:13:32.439
come back to council for

02:13:32.520 --> 02:13:35.520
consideration thank you councel stos

02:13:35.600 --> 02:13:37.159
councilor

02:13:37.239 --> 02:13:40.720
Bley yes just quickly thank you mayor

02:13:40.800 --> 02:13:44.800
jdb this is um one of those ones that's

02:13:44.880 --> 02:13:47.359
come into play really because there's

02:13:47.439 --> 02:13:50.720
been thoughtless people around often the

02:13:50.800 --> 02:13:53.560
I look at our local laws and you go if

02:13:53.640 --> 02:13:56.520
you're a considerate person you wouldn't

02:13:56.600 --> 02:13:58.920
need to use these local laws and this is

02:13:59.000 --> 02:14:02.199
a case in point this is made for people

02:14:02.279 --> 02:14:06.399
who have really abuse the system um and

02:14:06.479 --> 02:14:09.840
you know had too many dogs um which they

02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:14.399
couldn't possibly have had um under um

02:14:14.479 --> 02:14:16.760
leash and yet they've been able to take

02:14:16.840 --> 02:14:19.600
them for exercise by using an open area

02:14:19.680 --> 02:14:23.279
that's for the whole of Kingston to use

02:14:23.359 --> 02:14:25.399
um and and so we're having to make this

02:14:25.479 --> 02:14:27.840
up because if you know obviously

02:14:27.920 --> 02:14:30.039
affected any Resident that's using the

02:14:30.119 --> 02:14:33.880
park that day um so I I think this is

02:14:33.960 --> 02:14:36.039
just another case in point of which I

02:14:36.119 --> 02:14:38.840
think 50% of our local laws seem to be

02:14:38.920 --> 02:14:40.760
is that if you were looking at a common

02:14:40.840 --> 02:14:43.199
sense considerate person we wouldn't

02:14:43.279 --> 02:14:46.760
have to have this law but you know every

02:14:46.840 --> 02:14:48.000
now and then we have to have things like

02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:49.640
this that we've got to look at and see

02:14:49.720 --> 02:14:52.079
which way we work it um because we've

02:14:52.159 --> 02:14:55.159
obviously got some residents or people

02:14:55.239 --> 02:14:57.680
um who use Kingston who aren't as

02:14:57.760 --> 02:14:59.760
considerate as we'd all like them to be

02:14:59.840 --> 02:15:00.479
thank

02:15:00.560 --> 02:15:04.239
you thank you councilor

02:15:04.319 --> 02:15:06.840
Bley any other councilor wish to comment

02:15:06.920 --> 02:15:10.960
on this matter thank you councilor

02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:13.640
s again just very quickly just to say

02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:15.199
that I'm really looking forward to

02:15:15.279 --> 02:15:17.840
receiving the consultation um feedback

02:15:17.920 --> 02:15:19.840
or the report on this item when it comes

02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:21.079
back to council for us to make a

02:15:21.159 --> 02:15:22.279
decision I think I'm going to be looking

02:15:22.359 --> 02:15:24.760
really closely at it um to understand

02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:27.680
how we adopt this CU I do recognize uh I

02:15:27.760 --> 02:15:30.359
guess the the current environment that

02:15:30.439 --> 02:15:33.840
we've got um and the effects of having

02:15:33.920 --> 02:15:36.319
large scale businesses that do this on

02:15:36.399 --> 02:15:39.079
on mass um we know the effects of it on

02:15:39.159 --> 02:15:40.800
some of our reserves that have been

02:15:40.880 --> 02:15:43.239
trampled and and kind of destroyed or

02:15:43.319 --> 02:15:44.720
the grass at least has been destroyed

02:15:44.800 --> 02:15:46.359
and it's a very significant amount of

02:15:46.439 --> 02:15:48.760
work to actually reinvigorate that life

02:15:48.840 --> 02:15:52.319
into that park into the grass um so I

02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:54.399
understand how difficult it is uh in

02:15:54.479 --> 02:15:56.079
that sense I also understand how

02:15:56.159 --> 02:15:57.520
difficult it is given the comments that

02:15:57.600 --> 02:15:59.800
councilor how mentioned I do I also have

02:15:59.880 --> 02:16:01.640
been contacted by a number of residents

02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:03.800
over a number of different dog issues

02:16:03.880 --> 02:16:05.840
and I think the real Crux of this is

02:16:05.920 --> 02:16:08.039
around effective control um and that's

02:16:08.119 --> 02:16:10.239
really important I think that's also an

02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:12.960
education piece to our community um but

02:16:13.039 --> 02:16:14.399
taking the comments of council Cochran

02:16:14.479 --> 02:16:16.239
and thank you for for moving it with the

02:16:16.319 --> 02:16:18.640
amendment um I do recognize that there

02:16:18.720 --> 02:16:19.800
are businesses there are people's

02:16:19.880 --> 02:16:21.319
livelihoods at stake when we talk about

02:16:21.399 --> 02:16:23.199
this sort of stuff so I understand the

02:16:23.279 --> 02:16:25.479
difficulty in it um so I'm I'm just I

02:16:25.560 --> 02:16:26.800
guess making comment that I understand

02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:30.199
that there is a very uh difficult

02:16:30.279 --> 02:16:31.520
complex environment when we're talking

02:16:31.600 --> 02:16:33.799
about this particular local law um and

02:16:33.879 --> 02:16:35.159
so I'm going to be really heavily guided

02:16:35.239 --> 02:16:36.520
I guess with the feedback when it comes

02:16:36.600 --> 02:16:37.879
back but I'm supportive of going out for

02:16:37.959 --> 02:16:40.000
consultation on these two items thank

02:16:40.079 --> 02:16:42.280
you thank you

02:16:42.360 --> 02:16:44.440
councilor any other councilor like to

02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:47.120
comment thank you councilor Eden uh yes

02:16:47.200 --> 02:16:48.879
thank you if I may just uh a couple of

02:16:48.959 --> 02:16:50.399
questions through to the relevant

02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:52.680
officer and the first question would

02:16:52.760 --> 02:16:55.399
just be uh whether or not you could

02:16:55.479 --> 02:16:57.200
outline what sort of

02:16:57.280 --> 02:17:00.319
consultation uh may occur being mindful

02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:02.239
that there are actually businesses that

02:17:02.319 --> 02:17:04.559
may not be you know regularly checking

02:17:04.639 --> 02:17:07.280
our website for updates so if there'd be

02:17:07.360 --> 02:17:09.719
proactive engagement with them but also

02:17:09.799 --> 02:17:11.280
proactive engagement with the users of

02:17:11.360 --> 02:17:13.639
the area uh so that was the first

02:17:13.719 --> 02:17:16.719
question and then the uh second question

02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:19.000
is if you could just speak to whether or

02:17:19.079 --> 02:17:22.239
not uh the limit of four would also

02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:25.040
apply in on lead areas where you can

02:17:25.120 --> 02:17:27.399
take your dog or could someone have in

02:17:27.479 --> 02:17:30.799
this proposal 101 dogs on a

02:17:30.879 --> 02:17:33.239
lead uh in an area where dogs are

02:17:33.319 --> 02:17:35.600
allowed on a lead and just whether or

02:17:35.680 --> 02:17:37.879
not they would be looking at that uh as

02:17:37.959 --> 02:17:40.120
well as an issue thank you thank you

02:17:40.200 --> 02:17:42.719
councilor Eden Mr

02:17:42.799 --> 02:17:47.040
Gman through you made DAV Burns um we've

02:17:47.120 --> 02:17:49.879
endeavored in section 4.1 of the report

02:17:49.959 --> 02:17:52.280
to outline some of the

02:17:52.360 --> 02:17:54.760
consultation um and some of the key

02:17:54.840 --> 02:17:56.479
stakeholder groups that we would be

02:17:56.559 --> 02:17:58.920
targeting um are professional dog

02:17:59.000 --> 02:18:00.959
walking businesses of which we know

02:18:01.040 --> 02:18:04.079
quite a few of um through our our work

02:18:04.159 --> 02:18:07.799
in our um dog parks dog owners so that

02:18:07.879 --> 02:18:11.040
would be through our um our significant

02:18:11.120 --> 02:18:13.680
mailing list of registered dog owners um

02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:15.879
and then just some more informal oh vets

02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:18.440
as well sorry in Animal Welfare

02:18:18.520 --> 02:18:20.600
organizations but probably also through

02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:23.239
some informal prompting in areas that

02:18:23.319 --> 02:18:26.799
our local laws officers know will um be

02:18:26.879 --> 02:18:29.200
actively used by dog

02:18:29.280 --> 02:18:32.280
walkers um and we also um want to just

02:18:32.360 --> 02:18:34.680
do some popups in those locations try

02:18:34.760 --> 02:18:38.559
and get some people um as for the other

02:18:38.639 --> 02:18:44.200
question um about um the limitations on

02:18:44.280 --> 02:18:48.239
an owner to walk in an unleash area

02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:50.280
essentially it's a requirement that

02:18:50.360 --> 02:18:53.479
anyone in effective control of an animal

02:18:53.559 --> 02:18:57.799
currently under our um our order would

02:18:57.879 --> 02:18:59.600
when leaving their property need to have

02:18:59.680 --> 02:19:03.159
their animal on a leash um and as was

02:19:03.239 --> 02:19:05.200
said earlier in the discussion at the

02:19:05.280 --> 02:19:07.840
moment there are no limits on the amount

02:19:07.920 --> 02:19:09.959
of dogs you can walk under your

02:19:10.040 --> 02:19:13.200
effective control on a leash I hope that

02:19:13.280 --> 02:19:14.600
answers your

02:19:14.680 --> 02:19:16.879
question thank you very much Mr Gutman

02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:18.639
councilor do you wish to speak to this

02:19:18.719 --> 02:19:22.200
item no thank

02:19:23.159 --> 02:19:25.639
you all right councilors if there's no

02:19:25.719 --> 02:19:27.920
further debate required I might ask if

02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.719
our move our councilor Cochran would

02:19:29.799 --> 02:19:33.559
like to close oh sorry no thank you no

02:19:33.639 --> 02:19:35.239
thank you councilors then I'll put this

02:19:35.319 --> 02:19:38.520
item to the vote all those in

02:19:40.280 --> 02:19:44.000
favour and all those against all those

02:19:44.079 --> 02:19:45.760
abstaining thank you very much

02:19:45.840 --> 02:19:48.840
councilors I declare that carried

02:19:48.920 --> 02:19:51.319
thank you the next item is 7.11 the

02:19:51.399 --> 02:19:53.559
mandatory desexing Order

02:19:53.639 --> 02:19:56.319
review councils do we have a

02:19:56.399 --> 02:19:59.799
motion councilor

02:20:00.639 --> 02:20:02.559
Cochran thank you as it appears on the

02:20:02.639 --> 02:20:04.600
screen do we have a second thank you

02:20:04.680 --> 02:20:07.600
councilor stos councilor

02:20:07.680 --> 02:20:10.920
Cochran thank you mayor jdb I seem to be

02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:13.319
talking a lot about animals tonight you

02:20:13.399 --> 02:20:16.200
can tell I'm passionate um very

02:20:16.280 --> 02:20:17.959
passionate about my pooching and all

02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:21.879
animals um basically once again calling

02:20:21.959 --> 02:20:23.520
on community

02:20:23.600 --> 02:20:26.719
consultation uh obviously that cats are

02:20:26.799 --> 02:20:30.600
desexed at 3 months of age and dogs are

02:20:30.680 --> 02:20:32.120
removing the provision to have them

02:20:32.200 --> 02:20:34.000
desexed in order for them to be

02:20:34.079 --> 02:20:36.639
registered with the city of Kingston for

02:20:36.719 --> 02:20:39.600
me I believe that owners should have a

02:20:39.680 --> 02:20:41.879
choice um and we've already got some

02:20:41.959 --> 02:20:43.319
really good examples of where this has

02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:45.760
been effective the city of Monash

02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:47.360
doesn't have an order the city of

02:20:47.440 --> 02:20:49.399
glenara doesn't have an order the city

02:20:49.479 --> 02:20:51.680
greater danong doesn't have an order and

02:20:51.760 --> 02:20:56.000
nor do they have a problem

02:20:56.079 --> 02:20:57.719
um

02:20:57.799 --> 02:21:00.200
there's what what we did find in the

02:21:00.280 --> 02:21:02.920
report what we do find is if dogs

02:21:03.000 --> 02:21:04.959
obviously

02:21:05.040 --> 02:21:08.000
currently have to be DX to be

02:21:08.079 --> 02:21:10.319
registered then a lot of people won't

02:21:10.399 --> 02:21:11.920
actually register their dog and that

02:21:12.000 --> 02:21:14.440
leads to dogs going missing they're

02:21:14.520 --> 02:21:16.799
collected and we can't find their owners

02:21:16.879 --> 02:21:18.200
so

02:21:18.280 --> 02:21:21.000
by allowing owners the choice

02:21:21.079 --> 02:21:22.680
obviously

02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:25.479
um we can reduce the amount of

02:21:25.559 --> 02:21:28.440
unregistered dogs uh there's cultural

02:21:28.520 --> 02:21:30.120
reasons that people might not want to

02:21:30.200 --> 02:21:31.239
have the dogs

02:21:31.319 --> 02:21:34.840
desexed um we are a City full of

02:21:34.920 --> 02:21:37.360
responsible pet owners so I think

02:21:37.440 --> 02:21:39.719
Kingston residents are very responsible

02:21:39.799 --> 02:21:41.840
are the residents of similar to the

02:21:41.920 --> 02:21:44.200
residents in other

02:21:44.280 --> 02:21:45.680
municipalities um and there's

02:21:45.760 --> 02:21:48.040
conflicting evidence with vets to say

02:21:48.120 --> 02:21:50.600
you know 3 six 2 years some vets even

02:21:50.680 --> 02:21:53.319
recommend for larger breeds uh no

02:21:53.399 --> 02:21:56.159
desexing so that's why I've moved up on

02:21:56.239 --> 02:21:58.200
the screen thank you thank you very much

02:21:58.280 --> 02:22:01.079
councilor Cochran councilor stos your

02:22:01.159 --> 02:22:03.360
reserve any other councilors like to

02:22:03.440 --> 02:22:06.479
debate thank you councilor

02:22:06.559 --> 02:22:09.920
Hill uh yeah thank you mayor jdb and and

02:22:10.000 --> 02:22:12.559
thanks uh councilor Cochran too for this

02:22:12.639 --> 02:22:14.799
amendment I know Humphrey would be very

02:22:14.879 --> 02:22:19.040
proud um so uh look I I think what it's

02:22:19.120 --> 02:22:21.440
speaking to the um you know there's

02:22:21.520 --> 02:22:24.520
advice from uh you know bodies like the

02:22:24.600 --> 02:22:27.920
Australian vet Association where they do

02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:30.440
bring into you know well they make the

02:22:30.520 --> 02:22:31.959
point that it should be on a Case by

02:22:32.040 --> 02:22:35.719
case um basis with regards to dogs um

02:22:35.799 --> 02:22:37.840
they do support I think it's six was it

02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:42.200
16 week um desexing of cats because you

02:22:42.280 --> 02:22:44.639
know cats can actually breed from the

02:22:44.719 --> 02:22:46.680
you know age of 4 months which is uh

02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:49.959
scary maybe but um yeah and I and I

02:22:50.040 --> 02:22:52.200
think the thing to point out too well

02:22:52.280 --> 02:22:54.440
firstly I remember back to the original

02:22:54.520 --> 02:22:55.760
when this was originally brought to

02:22:55.840 --> 02:22:57.520
council this is very much in the spirit

02:22:57.600 --> 02:23:00.440
of of what was originally brought to us

02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:02.840
at Council from our offices so I'm

02:23:02.920 --> 02:23:05.600
supportive of it in that regard um the

02:23:05.680 --> 02:23:06.959
other thing is too you know when we're

02:23:07.040 --> 02:23:10.159
talking to operational issues um it's

02:23:10.239 --> 02:23:13.680
really important that the animals within

02:23:13.760 --> 02:23:15.879
you know dogs and cats within Kingston

02:23:15.959 --> 02:23:17.840
are actually registered

02:23:17.920 --> 02:23:20.200
um we have far better you know control

02:23:20.280 --> 02:23:22.840
over our owners when the animals are

02:23:22.920 --> 02:23:25.280
registered and we know one thing that

02:23:25.360 --> 02:23:28.200
maybe um prevents some people from

02:23:28.280 --> 02:23:30.680
registering their animals is is exactly

02:23:30.760 --> 02:23:33.399
this um that order for you know the dog

02:23:33.479 --> 02:23:36.360
to be uh desexed we're really throwing

02:23:36.440 --> 02:23:40.639
it back to the owner um and ultimately

02:23:40.719 --> 02:23:43.639
owners will take their dogs to um vets

02:23:43.719 --> 02:23:46.200
and get their own um advice from their

02:23:46.280 --> 02:23:49.000
vets as I did as I'm sure others others

02:23:49.079 --> 02:23:51.520
have done with their dogs what but one

02:23:51.600 --> 02:23:53.120
thing I remember was that they were not

02:23:53.200 --> 02:23:55.479
like I've Got a Golden Retriever and um

02:23:55.559 --> 02:23:57.879
the vet was not at all supportive of the

02:23:57.959 --> 02:24:01.399
dog being desexed at such a young age um

02:24:01.479 --> 02:24:04.719
so I think this this is um good that it

02:24:04.799 --> 02:24:06.879
recognizes um that advice that we hear

02:24:06.959 --> 02:24:10.000
all the time from our local vets and um

02:24:10.079 --> 02:24:12.440
yeah as councilor Cochran pointed to as

02:24:12.520 --> 02:24:14.559
well um there's good

02:24:14.639 --> 02:24:17.200
benchmarking uh within this report too

02:24:17.280 --> 02:24:21.000
and I I I think based on that it seems

02:24:21.079 --> 02:24:22.479
that this would be far better practice

02:24:22.559 --> 02:24:24.520
than than what we're currently doing so

02:24:24.600 --> 02:24:26.440
that's all thank you thank you very much

02:24:26.520 --> 02:24:27.719
councilor

02:24:27.799 --> 02:24:30.399
Hill councilors any other comments or

02:24:30.479 --> 02:24:32.760
debate required councilor Eden thank you

02:24:32.840 --> 02:24:34.479
uh yes thank you and I think this is a

02:24:34.559 --> 02:24:36.239
really good topic for us to be sort of

02:24:36.319 --> 02:24:39.040
delving into a little bit deeper uh but

02:24:39.120 --> 02:24:41.000
what I did want to share with councils

02:24:41.079 --> 02:24:43.319
was an article uh that actually came out

02:24:43.399 --> 02:24:45.959
from the National Library of Medicine

02:24:46.040 --> 02:24:48.959
and it talks to to the desexing of dogs

02:24:49.040 --> 02:24:51.559
and a review of existing reports and

02:24:51.639 --> 02:24:54.559
findings uh that have been published uh

02:24:54.639 --> 02:24:57.559
both in America uh and the UK with

02:24:57.639 --> 02:25:00.559
respect to the impact that desexing has

02:25:00.639 --> 02:25:03.639
uh on the health and well-being of dogs

02:25:03.719 --> 02:25:07.040
uh that are actually dogs uh in homes

02:25:07.120 --> 02:25:10.360
not in shelters one of the uh

02:25:10.440 --> 02:25:12.920
interesting findings was that whilst

02:25:13.000 --> 02:25:15.200
changing desexing practices won't

02:25:15.280 --> 02:25:18.680
necessarily impact uh population size

02:25:18.760 --> 02:25:20.319
and the rates of breeding within a

02:25:20.399 --> 02:25:23.000
community uh and the number of people

02:25:23.079 --> 02:25:25.760
engaging in dog breeding what it did

02:25:25.840 --> 02:25:29.639
actually see was a increase uh in the

02:25:29.719 --> 02:25:31.520
number of dogs that were being uh

02:25:31.600 --> 02:25:34.639
presented to veterinari clinics uh to

02:25:34.719 --> 02:25:37.559
attend to the spread of disease and they

02:25:37.639 --> 02:25:39.920
said that this was quite often from dogs

02:25:40.000 --> 02:25:42.120
that were particularly frisky at parks

02:25:42.200 --> 02:25:45.000
because they hadn't been desexed uh

02:25:45.079 --> 02:25:48.120
engaging in unwanted sexual advances on

02:25:48.200 --> 02:25:51.000
other people's dogs uh whilst at the

02:25:51.079 --> 02:25:53.959
parks and that what they saw from that

02:25:54.040 --> 02:25:55.719
uh was that there was actually a decline

02:25:55.799 --> 02:25:59.680
overall in the lifespan uh of dogs an

02:25:59.760 --> 02:26:01.879
increase in the number of presentations

02:26:01.959 --> 02:26:05.559
at uh veterinary clinics uh and it also

02:26:05.639 --> 02:26:08.079
um saw that many of the female dogs were

02:26:08.159 --> 02:26:12.440
engaging sometimes in uh hostile or

02:26:12.520 --> 02:26:15.360
unfriendly um manifestations of sexual

02:26:15.440 --> 02:26:18.280
activity towards the female dogs at the

02:26:18.360 --> 02:26:20.559
park uh and they said that one of the

02:26:20.639 --> 02:26:22.920
key things to actually do was to educate

02:26:23.000 --> 02:26:26.120
owners around what was acceptable so

02:26:26.200 --> 02:26:29.079
whilst your dog may not be desexed uh

02:26:29.159 --> 02:26:31.479
it's not appropriate to just let your

02:26:31.559 --> 02:26:34.239
dog go and engage in sexual activity

02:26:34.319 --> 02:26:36.680
with every other dog uh and to think

02:26:36.760 --> 02:26:39.479
that that's normal activity for your dog

02:26:39.559 --> 02:26:42.159
but to still respect the fact that just

02:26:42.239 --> 02:26:44.079
like when a dog might run up to another

02:26:44.159 --> 02:26:47.040
one and push it over uh turning around

02:26:47.120 --> 02:26:49.200
and just saying my dog's friendly that's

02:26:49.280 --> 02:26:51.959
fine isn't an acceptable response

02:26:52.040 --> 02:26:53.879
because you're actually dealing with

02:26:53.959 --> 02:26:55.479
dogs that might have a heightened sense

02:26:55.559 --> 02:26:58.159
of energy heightened sense of libido and

02:26:58.239 --> 02:27:00.440
they really want to you know make their

02:27:00.520 --> 02:27:03.799
presence known at those Parks I know

02:27:03.879 --> 02:27:05.799
firsthand walking a dog that was a

02:27:05.879 --> 02:27:09.040
rescue dog uh that we adopted uh into

02:27:09.120 --> 02:27:12.159
the family he was nervous at the park

02:27:12.239 --> 02:27:15.200
when big dogs Boulder over to him uh and

02:27:15.280 --> 02:27:17.479
sometimes those dogs are GI they walk

02:27:17.559 --> 02:27:19.840
over the top of him and all he looks up

02:27:19.920 --> 02:27:23.000
at and sees is a belly of a dog and the

02:27:23.079 --> 02:27:25.079
last thing that we want uh for more dogs

02:27:25.159 --> 02:27:27.120
to be engaging in activities that are

02:27:27.200 --> 02:27:29.319
presenting owners with health risks uh

02:27:29.399 --> 02:27:32.200
as well because going to the vet is uh

02:27:32.280 --> 02:27:34.680
expensive and for us to I think look at

02:27:34.760 --> 02:27:36.600
does this actually see an increase in

02:27:36.680 --> 02:27:38.920
the number of incidents of uh aggression

02:27:39.000 --> 02:27:40.879
at parks would be interesting as well

02:27:40.959 --> 02:27:42.079
thank

02:27:42.159 --> 02:27:45.440
you thank you would any other councilors

02:27:45.520 --> 02:27:48.719
like to comment on this this

02:27:48.799 --> 02:27:50.959
matter otherwise I will ask councilor

02:27:51.040 --> 02:27:52.559
Cochran if you'd like to close thank you

02:27:52.639 --> 02:27:54.799
very much I'll close quickly I I

02:27:54.879 --> 02:27:56.399
definitely agree with some of the

02:27:56.479 --> 02:27:58.120
comments there and understand that but I

02:27:58.200 --> 02:28:00.840
think as a whole Kingston residents are

02:28:00.920 --> 02:28:04.120
sensible and the majority will still um

02:28:04.200 --> 02:28:07.559
get their D dog their their dogs DX by

02:28:07.639 --> 02:28:09.879
choice because uh that's what they

02:28:09.959 --> 02:28:11.239
believe in and they think it's

02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:12.719
beneficial but it's just about

02:28:12.799 --> 02:28:14.840
Consulting with the community to see hey

02:28:14.920 --> 02:28:16.600
if there is a few outliers of people

02:28:16.680 --> 02:28:17.879
don't believe in it should they have the

02:28:17.959 --> 02:28:20.000
right too so I think putting it to

02:28:20.079 --> 02:28:22.639
community consultation uh getting an

02:28:22.719 --> 02:28:24.200
understanding is a really valuable

02:28:24.280 --> 02:28:26.920
Insight thank you thank you very much

02:28:27.000 --> 02:28:29.000
I'll now ask all those in favour to

02:28:29.079 --> 02:28:31.920
please raise their

02:28:32.000 --> 02:28:35.120
hand all those against all those

02:28:35.200 --> 02:28:39.959
abstaining thank you councilors that has

02:28:45.600 --> 02:28:48.600
carried

02:28:48.680 --> 02:28:51.120
councilors we're now on to item 9.1 the

02:28:51.200 --> 02:28:52.760
draft play your way strategy for

02:28:52.840 --> 02:28:56.079
adoption do we have a

02:28:56.920 --> 02:28:59.959
motion thank you councilor sa are you

02:29:00.040 --> 02:29:01.360
moving the motion on the screen thank

02:29:01.440 --> 02:29:05.920
you that's fine yep do we have a second

02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:10.639
or councilor stos thank you very

02:29:10.719 --> 02:29:12.959
much does this item require any

02:29:13.040 --> 02:29:15.440
discussion

02:29:15.520 --> 02:29:17.559
councilors

02:29:17.639 --> 02:29:19.079
your

02:29:19.159 --> 02:29:21.399
reserve your reserve any other council

02:29:21.479 --> 02:29:22.879
is wishing to discuss this item or can I

02:29:22.959 --> 02:29:25.239
put this item to the

02:29:25.319 --> 02:29:27.719
vote thank you councilors I'll ask all

02:29:27.799 --> 02:29:30.360
those in favour of the motion on 9.1 to

02:29:30.440 --> 02:29:32.760
please raise your hand thank you I

02:29:32.840 --> 02:29:35.479
declare that carried

02:29:35.559 --> 02:29:37.159
unanimously thank you very much

02:29:37.239 --> 02:29:40.520
councilors we'll now move on to item

02:29:40.600 --> 02:29:44.559
9.2 which is the asset management policy

02:29:44.639 --> 02:29:47.920
review thank you councilor stos and

02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:52.000
second and Council aside

02:29:52.079 --> 02:29:53.879
councilors is there are there any

02:29:53.959 --> 02:29:56.000
objections to this

02:29:56.079 --> 02:29:58.799
item no if not I'll put the item to the

02:29:58.879 --> 02:30:00.479
vote I'll ask all those in favour to

02:30:00.559 --> 02:30:03.280
please raise your

02:30:03.360 --> 02:30:05.479
hand thank you I declare that carried

02:30:05.559 --> 02:30:07.840
also

02:30:11.079 --> 02:30:13.680
unanimously councilors the next item we

02:30:13.760 --> 02:30:17.200
have on the agenda is 9.3 three the

02:30:17.280 --> 02:30:19.079
Sherwood Avenue flood mitigation by

02:30:19.159 --> 02:30:22.520
Centennial Park Chelsea stage two do we

02:30:22.600 --> 02:30:24.719
have a motion

02:30:24.799 --> 02:30:27.159
councilors thank you councilor

02:30:27.239 --> 02:30:29.399
basley as appears on the screen thank

02:30:29.479 --> 02:30:31.520
you and councilor Davies

02:30:31.600 --> 02:30:33.440
seconding would other of you like to

02:30:33.520 --> 02:30:36.159
speak to this

02:30:38.319 --> 02:30:41.200
item thank you councilors for moving and

02:30:41.280 --> 02:30:42.479
seconding any other councilors wishing

02:30:42.559 --> 02:30:44.040
to speak to this item any objections

02:30:44.120 --> 02:30:45.360
thank you councilor

02:30:45.440 --> 02:30:48.399
Eden uh yes thank you just briefly uh

02:30:48.479 --> 02:30:50.319
through the offices I note that these

02:30:50.399 --> 02:30:52.520
works are quite substantial so in terms

02:30:52.600 --> 02:30:55.239
of community engagement uh and the

02:30:55.319 --> 02:30:57.079
information bulletins and so forth that

02:30:57.159 --> 02:30:59.959
we engage in I just wanted to query

02:31:00.040 --> 02:31:01.440
whether or not we've given some

02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:04.920
consideration uh recently to the paper

02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:06.600
types that we're using for the letter

02:31:06.680 --> 02:31:08.360
boxing of bulletins because I've had a

02:31:08.440 --> 02:31:10.799
number of residents uh at Community

02:31:10.879 --> 02:31:13.680
meetings just raise the issue of paper

02:31:13.760 --> 02:31:15.959
quality and sometimes it gets wet uh and

02:31:16.040 --> 02:31:17.879
then get soggy and it just falls into a

02:31:17.959 --> 02:31:20.079
little ball so whether or not our

02:31:20.159 --> 02:31:22.040
consideration could potentially be

02:31:22.120 --> 02:31:24.200
provided to making sure we're using

02:31:24.280 --> 02:31:25.280
materials that might be a little bit

02:31:25.360 --> 02:31:27.520
more weather resistant like a laminated

02:31:27.600 --> 02:31:30.120
uh flyer or so forth thank you thank you

02:31:30.200 --> 02:31:32.360
very much councilor Eden um through you

02:31:32.440 --> 02:31:33.959
Mrs

02:31:34.040 --> 02:31:36.399
CR thank you through you mayor thank you

02:31:36.479 --> 02:31:37.799
councilor Eden we'll definitely look

02:31:37.879 --> 02:31:40.120
into into that and having something

02:31:40.200 --> 02:31:41.959
that's a bit more durable thanks for

02:31:42.040 --> 02:31:44.440
that thank you Council Eden any further

02:31:44.520 --> 02:31:48.360
questions no thank you

02:31:48.639 --> 02:31:52.360
and I would our mover like to

02:31:52.440 --> 02:31:55.680
close thank you councilor

02:31:55.760 --> 02:31:58.319
Bley thank you this is really important

02:31:58.399 --> 02:32:01.920
and and we do need a lot of work um in

02:32:02.000 --> 02:32:04.600
the old original South Ward in relation

02:32:04.680 --> 02:32:07.639
to um flooding and flood protection so

02:32:07.719 --> 02:32:09.239
you know I I do commend this to the

02:32:09.319 --> 02:32:13.920
officers I'd also say uh to um on the

02:32:14.000 --> 02:32:16.440
point that councilor Eden raised um

02:32:16.520 --> 02:32:19.479
about leaflet drops and you know weather

02:32:19.559 --> 02:32:22.000
we always have problems um with whatever

02:32:22.079 --> 02:32:25.399
we put in the letter boxes on that front

02:32:25.479 --> 02:32:28.840
um however I I've noticed a lot of

02:32:28.920 --> 02:32:31.000
residents who have been going past the

02:32:31.079 --> 02:32:33.920
sign um and it's about our roundabouts

02:32:34.000 --> 02:32:37.200
in um we're just changing a roundabout

02:32:37.280 --> 02:32:40.959
um near that area actually um at near by

02:32:41.040 --> 02:32:42.719
Centennial on the corner of B Centennial

02:32:42.799 --> 02:32:45.600
we we're doing um different traffic

02:32:45.680 --> 02:32:48.319
there and and there's just a code a QR

02:32:48.399 --> 02:32:50.879
code on a sign and the amount of people

02:32:50.959 --> 02:32:53.879
I've seen just go past it and put put

02:32:53.959 --> 02:32:55.440
their phone up and they're walking past

02:32:55.520 --> 02:32:58.159
cuz these are Park Runners just to check

02:32:58.239 --> 02:32:59.479
because it not only says oh wear

02:32:59.559 --> 02:33:02.520
improving Kingston but it then says just

02:33:02.600 --> 02:33:05.680
QR code this to check well whether they

02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:07.760
do it or not I've I've seen quite a few

02:33:07.840 --> 02:33:09.920
take a photo of it or look like they're

02:33:10.000 --> 02:33:12.799
going to the QR thing so that might be

02:33:12.879 --> 02:33:15.000
really something that I think just

02:33:15.079 --> 02:33:17.360
starts to become major practice that

02:33:17.440 --> 02:33:18.840
wherever you've got something you put

02:33:18.920 --> 02:33:21.559
the QR code um and that's probably the

02:33:21.639 --> 02:33:22.799
best way for people to see the

02:33:22.879 --> 02:33:24.280
information and it certainly won't go

02:33:24.360 --> 02:33:27.239
soggy thank you thank you councilor Bley

02:33:27.319 --> 02:33:28.719
I'll now put this item to the vote all

02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:30.319
those in

02:33:30.399 --> 02:33:34.520
favour thank you I declare that carried

02:33:34.600 --> 02:33:37.719
unanimously next item is 9.4 response to

02:33:37.799 --> 02:33:39.680
resolution notice of motion Chelsea

02:33:39.760 --> 02:33:42.360
pedestrian link thank you Council

02:33:42.440 --> 02:33:44.840
Oxley thank you I would like to move

02:33:44.920 --> 02:33:46.760
this with an amended point four or with

02:33:46.840 --> 02:33:51.399
an additional point4 and that is to

02:33:54.799 --> 02:33:59.959
read prioritize the DDA

02:34:00.840 --> 02:34:05.280
access through out the station

02:34:07.360 --> 02:34:10.760
Precinct and ensure that the Chelsea

02:34:10.840 --> 02:34:12.200
Activity

02:34:12.280 --> 02:34:15.000
Center is

02:34:15.079 --> 02:34:18.079
listed

02:34:18.559 --> 02:34:22.280
as a priority activity

02:34:24.639 --> 02:34:29.440
center for a disability access

02:34:33.120 --> 02:34:35.799
audit as part

02:34:35.879 --> 02:34:37.680
of the

02:34:37.760 --> 02:34:40.440
audits to be

02:34:40.520 --> 02:34:43.200
undertaken as part of the walking and

02:34:43.280 --> 02:34:45.000
cycling

02:34:45.079 --> 02:34:47.360
plan

02:34:47.440 --> 02:34:48.879
thank you Council oxy just a brief

02:34:48.959 --> 02:34:50.280
question uh I've been asked by

02:34:50.360 --> 02:34:52.079
governance did you say clarifies or

02:34:52.159 --> 02:34:53.959
prioritize is at the prioritize

02:34:54.040 --> 02:34:55.959
prioritize as it's written thank you so

02:34:56.040 --> 02:34:57.399
I'll just confirm uh what's on the

02:34:57.479 --> 02:34:58.639
screen did you want me to read it back

02:34:58.719 --> 02:35:00.360
you're okay with what's there thank you

02:35:00.440 --> 02:35:02.440
and I believe councilor Eden was looking

02:35:02.520 --> 02:35:04.879
to second that thank you very

02:35:04.959 --> 02:35:08.120
much Council Oxley thank you firstly I

02:35:08.200 --> 02:35:09.760
would like to acknowledge the advocacy

02:35:09.840 --> 02:35:11.520
that has been done by a number of

02:35:11.600 --> 02:35:13.319
Chelsea residents a number of visitors

02:35:13.399 --> 02:35:16.120
to our Chelsea activity center but also

02:35:16.200 --> 02:35:17.799
significant work that's been done by the

02:35:17.879 --> 02:35:20.559
Chelsea Bon Beach train station group um

02:35:20.639 --> 02:35:22.319
as well as particularly the individual

02:35:22.399 --> 02:35:26.079
advocacy of Peter Parker um it's safe to

02:35:26.159 --> 02:35:27.840
say that Chelsea and I've said this on a

02:35:27.920 --> 02:35:29.200
number of occasions needs a little bit

02:35:29.280 --> 02:35:31.639
of love um it's received some

02:35:31.719 --> 02:35:33.399
significant investment in the form of

02:35:33.479 --> 02:35:35.600
the level crossing removal project that

02:35:35.680 --> 02:35:37.040
was undertaken with the level crossing

02:35:37.120 --> 02:35:41.079
removals in Chelsea however that has led

02:35:41.159 --> 02:35:43.920
to perhaps an outcome that we would see

02:35:44.000 --> 02:35:47.600
as less than desirable it's led to some

02:35:47.680 --> 02:35:50.000
significant issues with pedestrian

02:35:50.079 --> 02:35:51.879
Crossings and pedestrian connectivity in

02:35:51.959 --> 02:35:54.159
Chelsea and it's an issue that has

02:35:54.239 --> 02:35:56.520
really become quite a problem for

02:35:56.600 --> 02:35:58.120
residents and visitors to our Chelsea

02:35:58.200 --> 02:36:00.280
Activity Center what I think is really

02:36:00.360 --> 02:36:01.440
important though and we received an

02:36:01.520 --> 02:36:03.239
email over the weekend from a local

02:36:03.319 --> 02:36:04.840
resident around the Chelsea Activity

02:36:04.920 --> 02:36:07.000
Center in regards to this particular

02:36:07.079 --> 02:36:09.559
motion itself and that is really

02:36:09.639 --> 02:36:11.799
council's work in prioritizing

02:36:11.879 --> 02:36:14.920
disability access and making sure that

02:36:15.000 --> 02:36:16.920
that is a very important part of

02:36:17.000 --> 02:36:18.959
everything that we do and I know that

02:36:19.040 --> 02:36:20.319
that's something that Council very much

02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:22.120
considers in all of our own Council

02:36:22.200 --> 02:36:24.760
projects but the level crossing removal

02:36:24.840 --> 02:36:27.600
project wasn't ours and we've been left

02:36:27.680 --> 02:36:31.200
in Chelsea with some problems and it's

02:36:31.280 --> 02:36:32.719
something that we now have to come in

02:36:32.799 --> 02:36:35.959
and fix I note that we've done s some

02:36:36.040 --> 02:36:37.799
significant advocacy with the department

02:36:37.879 --> 02:36:39.600
and I knowe we recently welcomed

02:36:39.680 --> 02:36:42.479
Minister horn down to Chelsea um to

02:36:42.559 --> 02:36:44.159
ensure that she was able to see

02:36:44.239 --> 02:36:46.440
firsthand the problems that are faced in

02:36:46.520 --> 02:36:48.520
the Chelsea Activity Center in terms of

02:36:48.600 --> 02:36:51.040
the Chelsea pedestrian links um we

02:36:51.120 --> 02:36:53.760
showed her the the problems that we see

02:36:53.840 --> 02:36:55.760
with people jumping the fence coming

02:36:55.840 --> 02:36:57.760
straight out of the train station and

02:36:57.840 --> 02:36:59.520
jumping the fence straight over nepan

02:36:59.600 --> 02:37:00.840
Highway and it happened a number of

02:37:00.920 --> 02:37:02.319
times just while we happen to be

02:37:02.399 --> 02:37:04.760
standing there we didn't plan it I

02:37:04.840 --> 02:37:07.000
promise it is something though that as a

02:37:07.079 --> 02:37:08.600
council we really need to look at and

02:37:08.680 --> 02:37:10.479
what we can do perhaps not to

02:37:10.559 --> 02:37:13.040
necessarily fix the problem that isn't

02:37:13.120 --> 02:37:15.239
ours to fix in terms of The Pedestrian

02:37:15.319 --> 02:37:16.399
Crossing

02:37:16.479 --> 02:37:18.360
um it is obviously a road that isn't

02:37:18.440 --> 02:37:20.760
ours it isn't one that we maintain but

02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:22.399
in terms of the advocacy and what we can

02:37:22.479 --> 02:37:24.239
do to support the visitors to the

02:37:24.319 --> 02:37:26.239
Chelsea shopping strip to support our

02:37:26.319 --> 02:37:28.280
residents in that area to support the

02:37:28.360 --> 02:37:30.399
traders in making sure that the Traders

02:37:30.479 --> 02:37:32.159
are able to receive that foot traffic as

02:37:32.239 --> 02:37:34.280
well but also to make sure that we do

02:37:34.360 --> 02:37:37.079
that in a disability friendly way to

02:37:37.159 --> 02:37:38.440
make sure that the access is still

02:37:38.520 --> 02:37:41.040
maintained we're not removing access and

02:37:41.120 --> 02:37:42.479
we're making sure that it's safe for

02:37:42.559 --> 02:37:44.440
those with a disability as well so

02:37:44.520 --> 02:37:46.520
there's a number of key points in the um

02:37:46.600 --> 02:37:48.040
report that I won't necessarily go

02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:49.399
through because we've heard a lot about

02:37:49.479 --> 02:37:52.200
it as a council group um would commend

02:37:52.280 --> 02:37:54.040
officers on their advocacy but as a

02:37:54.120 --> 02:37:55.719
council we need to ensure that we we

02:37:55.799 --> 02:37:57.799
ramp that up a little bit to make sure

02:37:57.879 --> 02:37:59.959
that we are able to improve that

02:38:00.040 --> 02:38:01.799
connectivity um and I think just

02:38:01.879 --> 02:38:03.479
clarifying that obviously that

02:38:03.559 --> 02:38:06.360
disability access is a priority for us

02:38:06.440 --> 02:38:07.879
we do need to address that first and

02:38:07.959 --> 02:38:09.799
foremost and make sure that any changes

02:38:09.879 --> 02:38:11.840
that we are making are not to the

02:38:11.920 --> 02:38:14.319
detriment of disability access thank you

02:38:14.399 --> 02:38:15.840
thank you very much Council Oxley

02:38:15.920 --> 02:38:17.719
councilor Eden do you wish to speak to

02:38:17.799 --> 02:38:20.639
this item thank you uh yes thank you and

02:38:20.719 --> 02:38:23.639
I just wanted to just make note of the

02:38:23.719 --> 02:38:25.440
comprehensive resident Trader and

02:38:25.520 --> 02:38:27.079
Community feedback section which

02:38:27.159 --> 02:38:28.079
actually

02:38:28.159 --> 02:38:31.239
details uh Facebook comments uh

02:38:31.319 --> 02:38:34.319
references to YouTube videos uh and the

02:38:34.399 --> 02:38:37.440
information and submissions received by

02:38:37.520 --> 02:38:40.079
Council I believe that this is actually

02:38:40.159 --> 02:38:43.360
a really good example of

02:38:43.440 --> 02:38:45.680
particularizing how residents are

02:38:45.760 --> 02:38:48.719
engaging with us at a council level but

02:38:48.799 --> 02:38:50.799
to also make sure that we are looking at

02:38:50.879 --> 02:38:53.200
all of the different channels uh so I

02:38:53.280 --> 02:38:55.040
commend the officers for including that

02:38:55.120 --> 02:38:57.319
in there uh because it does show that

02:38:57.399 --> 02:38:58.879
people are coming to us as an

02:38:58.959 --> 02:39:01.440
organization through many different

02:39:01.520 --> 02:39:03.879
channels um what I also just wanted to

02:39:03.959 --> 02:39:06.399
make note of was that the feedback was

02:39:06.479 --> 02:39:09.239
sought from these groups uh and Council

02:39:09.319 --> 02:39:11.760
conducted a Chelsea local area traffic

02:39:11.840 --> 02:39:15.000
management plan uh review as a result of

02:39:15.079 --> 02:39:18.159
a notice of motion by Council Oxley in

02:39:18.239 --> 02:39:19.200
March

02:39:19.280 --> 02:39:22.319
2021 so this has been going on for quite

02:39:22.399 --> 02:39:25.360
some time it's not a new issue for the

02:39:25.440 --> 02:39:27.680
council but it's one that we've been

02:39:27.760 --> 02:39:30.920
trying to fix because there wasn't a uh

02:39:31.000 --> 02:39:33.200
because there was a lack of Engagement

02:39:33.280 --> 02:39:35.200
uh by The Authority when it came to

02:39:35.280 --> 02:39:37.200
building this and addressing the

02:39:37.280 --> 02:39:39.799
fundamental issues of connectivity at

02:39:39.879 --> 02:39:43.000
the time uh in some ways I think it

02:39:43.079 --> 02:39:44.440
would actually be appropriate for

02:39:44.520 --> 02:39:46.760
Council to be having a conversation with

02:39:46.840 --> 02:39:49.000
the authority and saying we've had to

02:39:49.079 --> 02:39:51.159
pick up so much in terms of your

02:39:51.239 --> 02:39:53.559
engagement uh and in terms of addressing

02:39:53.639 --> 02:39:56.239
some of these issues that have resulted

02:39:56.319 --> 02:39:59.639
from uh recent Works uh that we expect

02:39:59.719 --> 02:40:01.879
that this doesn't happen again uh and to

02:40:01.959 --> 02:40:03.360
be heard and I know there's been

02:40:03.440 --> 02:40:05.719
discussion tonight uh in that sort of

02:40:05.799 --> 02:40:08.079
vein uh but I think this is a perfect

02:40:08.159 --> 02:40:10.840
example of how back in

02:40:10.920 --> 02:40:14.079
2021 this was before the council years

02:40:14.159 --> 02:40:17.040
later we're still trying to resolve some

02:40:17.120 --> 02:40:20.120
of those same issues wouldn't it just be

02:40:20.200 --> 02:40:22.559
easier for these authorities and people

02:40:22.639 --> 02:40:25.360
to listen to their peers at the start of

02:40:25.440 --> 02:40:27.760
a process and I think that's what we

02:40:27.840 --> 02:40:30.159
really need to emphasize that sometimes

02:40:30.239 --> 02:40:33.040
it's easier to listen at the beginning

02:40:33.120 --> 02:40:36.280
not at the end because costs go up time

02:40:36.360 --> 02:40:38.639
gets wasted uh and the results for the

02:40:38.719 --> 02:40:40.360
community just aren't the same as if

02:40:40.440 --> 02:40:42.760
we'd uh done it all as one piece at the

02:40:42.840 --> 02:40:46.200
beginning so this report is Council

02:40:46.280 --> 02:40:49.000
taking some proactive action to fix a

02:40:49.079 --> 02:40:52.120
number of issues uh but as Council Oxley

02:40:52.200 --> 02:40:55.040
also said I do want to uh in particular

02:40:55.120 --> 02:40:57.600
have a shout out to the train station

02:40:57.680 --> 02:40:59.239
group they're incredibly active

02:40:59.319 --> 02:41:02.000
volunteers they've been around for a

02:41:02.079 --> 02:41:05.000
very long time uh in the community uh

02:41:05.079 --> 02:41:06.799
and they've been unrelenting in their

02:41:06.879 --> 02:41:10.799
focus on these areas uh around Chelsea

02:41:10.879 --> 02:41:12.639
uh a big shout out to them and all the

02:41:12.719 --> 02:41:15.559
work that they do uh for the engagement

02:41:15.639 --> 02:41:17.719
they've had and I hope tonight that

02:41:17.799 --> 02:41:20.399
Council can take yet another step uh in

02:41:20.479 --> 02:41:22.600
the right direction thank you thank you

02:41:22.680 --> 02:41:25.600
very much councilor Eden councilor

02:41:25.680 --> 02:41:27.680
Davies uh thank you first of all I'd

02:41:27.760 --> 02:41:29.239
like to say I absolutely agree with

02:41:29.319 --> 02:41:30.639
councilor Eden that it' be great if

02:41:30.719 --> 02:41:32.280
these authorities listen to us at the

02:41:32.360 --> 02:41:34.440
beginning that would be great if alexp

02:41:34.520 --> 02:41:36.319
do that in relation to be Street Morty

02:41:36.399 --> 02:41:40.399
alic um but in terms of this motion I

02:41:40.479 --> 02:41:42.479
think all the councilors did receive an

02:41:42.559 --> 02:41:43.879
email from a resident who I'll just

02:41:43.959 --> 02:41:46.600
refer to as Travis who gave us quite a

02:41:46.680 --> 02:41:49.040
very detailed response about concerns

02:41:49.120 --> 02:41:52.200
that he has um and I do want to assure

02:41:52.280 --> 02:41:54.319
him if he's listening tonight that we

02:41:54.399 --> 02:41:56.520
are not actually proposing that the

02:41:56.600 --> 02:41:59.280
existing Crossing is going to be closed

02:41:59.360 --> 02:42:00.879
we're actually going to be advocating to

02:42:00.959 --> 02:42:03.959
install an additional Crossing um and

02:42:04.040 --> 02:42:05.600
we're proposing a review of The

02:42:05.680 --> 02:42:06.680
Pedestrian

02:42:06.760 --> 02:42:10.760
connectivity um and in terms of um M K

02:42:10.840 --> 02:42:12.360
the relevant officer who I did have some

02:42:12.440 --> 02:42:14.840
communication with about Travis's email

02:42:14.920 --> 02:42:16.799
she has confirmed to me in writing that

02:42:16.879 --> 02:42:19.360
as part of that public consultation we

02:42:19.440 --> 02:42:21.920
will note travis' feedback in terms of

02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:24.000
accessibility and that we are also

02:42:24.079 --> 02:42:27.079
proposing to discuss with PTV the

02:42:27.159 --> 02:42:30.200
concerns about access and um the lift

02:42:30.280 --> 02:42:32.399
issues that are working there so just in

02:42:32.479 --> 02:42:34.639
terms of Travis I know it's like 10:00

02:42:34.719 --> 02:42:35.559
at night you've probably got better

02:42:35.639 --> 02:42:37.639
things to do but on the off chance you

02:42:37.719 --> 02:42:39.959
are listening we did take on board all

02:42:40.040 --> 02:42:41.799
your concerns and we will be actioning

02:42:41.879 --> 02:42:44.959
them thank you thank you Council Davies

02:42:45.040 --> 02:42:46.520
for your your comments I'll just remind

02:42:46.600 --> 02:42:48.360
those in the public Gallery tonight that

02:42:48.440 --> 02:42:50.840
we uh don't allow the use of recording

02:42:50.920 --> 02:42:53.360
devices uh if you do require any support

02:42:53.440 --> 02:42:55.000
for accessibility there are iPads there

02:42:55.079 --> 02:42:57.760
and our staff can assist you councilors

02:42:57.840 --> 02:43:00.399
any other comments or debate required

02:43:00.479 --> 02:43:03.040
thank you councilor Eden is a question

02:43:03.120 --> 02:43:05.479
yes just a question if I may through you

02:43:05.559 --> 02:43:07.600
uh point two talks about continuing to

02:43:07.680 --> 02:43:09.280
engage with the Department of Transport

02:43:09.360 --> 02:43:10.680
and planning to advocate for The

02:43:10.760 --> 02:43:12.319
Pedestrian Crossing to be implemented on

02:43:12.399 --> 02:43:14.040
napen Highway near Chelsea station

02:43:14.120 --> 02:43:16.600
entrance uh is it possible for officers

02:43:16.680 --> 02:43:18.520
just to clarify when did we last hear

02:43:18.600 --> 02:43:21.600
back from them uh in this regard uh what

02:43:21.680 --> 02:43:24.000
was the tone of their sort of Engagement

02:43:24.079 --> 02:43:25.879
and do we expect them to engage

02:43:25.959 --> 02:43:27.879
throughout December and January thank

02:43:27.959 --> 02:43:30.440
you thank you Council Eden Mr Gman are

02:43:30.520 --> 02:43:31.719
you able to respond or should I ask

02:43:31.799 --> 02:43:35.000
refer that to miss car okay sure

02:43:35.079 --> 02:43:37.319
sorry thank you through you mayor thank

02:43:37.399 --> 02:43:39.920
you Council Eden um I wouldn't know that

02:43:40.000 --> 02:43:41.879
level of detail at this stage I'd have

02:43:41.959 --> 02:43:43.520
to take that on notice and get back to

02:43:43.600 --> 02:43:45.799
councilors and email councilors um I

02:43:45.879 --> 02:43:47.120
think it's fair to say that over the

02:43:47.200 --> 02:43:49.120
December period things do quieten down a

02:43:49.200 --> 02:43:50.559
little bit so we don't expect there' be

02:43:50.639 --> 02:43:53.680
a lot of Engagement with um dtp over

02:43:53.760 --> 02:43:55.799
this period but um we'll continue to

02:43:55.879 --> 02:43:59.159
push um early in the new

02:43:59.239 --> 02:44:02.000
year thank you very much Miss

02:44:02.079 --> 02:44:04.559
CR councilor any further debate required

02:44:04.639 --> 02:44:05.920
on this

02:44:06.000 --> 02:44:08.719
matter thank you councilor

02:44:08.799 --> 02:44:12.399
s uh just to again comment that I am

02:44:12.479 --> 02:44:13.639
supportive of the motion tonight

02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:15.760
including the additional point I think

02:44:15.840 --> 02:44:17.440
it's important that we do prioritize

02:44:17.520 --> 02:44:21.000
accessibility for um all ability users

02:44:21.079 --> 02:44:23.799
um I do note Council Oxley and myself

02:44:23.879 --> 02:44:26.719
did attend to Chelsea station um and we

02:44:26.799 --> 02:44:28.280
met with the local member and the

02:44:28.360 --> 02:44:30.520
minister um as councilor Oxley mentioned

02:44:30.600 --> 02:44:34.280
and we discussed in detail different uh

02:44:34.360 --> 02:44:37.000
Alternatives or different solutions to

02:44:37.079 --> 02:44:38.719
the problems that Chelsea station and

02:44:38.799 --> 02:44:41.200
the crossing and that Activity Center is

02:44:41.280 --> 02:44:44.680
facing um the minister did seem to be

02:44:44.760 --> 02:44:47.559
very receptive um of the of the issues

02:44:47.639 --> 02:44:50.600
that we were raising um I do think that

02:44:50.680 --> 02:44:51.959
there is an opportunity for us to

02:44:52.040 --> 02:44:53.959
actually Advocate on item like this and

02:44:54.040 --> 02:44:55.440
get some pretty good outcomes for the

02:44:55.520 --> 02:44:57.360
city um as long as we do so in

02:44:57.440 --> 02:44:59.280
collaboration with the local member who

02:44:59.360 --> 02:45:00.760
is also pretty supportive of this and

02:45:00.840 --> 02:45:02.360
has been driving this particular change

02:45:02.440 --> 02:45:04.959
as well um with respect to the comment

02:45:05.040 --> 02:45:07.040
um of councilor Davies as well and the

02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:09.719
email we received from from Travis um he

02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:11.680
is a member of our environment open

02:45:11.760 --> 02:45:13.280
space advisory committee and does raise

02:45:13.360 --> 02:45:15.479
issues like this pretty regularly um and

02:45:15.559 --> 02:45:16.879
again just wanted to Echo those same

02:45:16.959 --> 02:45:19.680
comments of council dve is that um we

02:45:19.760 --> 02:45:22.159
will hopefully address those concerns

02:45:22.239 --> 02:45:23.920
and um the particular issues that we

02:45:24.000 --> 02:45:25.600
were pushing for weren't around the

02:45:25.680 --> 02:45:29.399
accessibility um moves um and so I'm

02:45:29.479 --> 02:45:31.079
glad that Council Roy has pulled that

02:45:31.159 --> 02:45:33.799
out from the queries that he made um but

02:45:33.879 --> 02:45:35.559
we were specifically meeting with the

02:45:35.639 --> 02:45:37.719
minister to advocate for better

02:45:37.799 --> 02:45:39.879
connectivity and transport connectiv uh

02:45:39.959 --> 02:45:43.159
better sorry Walkin connectivity um for

02:45:43.239 --> 02:45:45.799
our local community who do use the train

02:45:45.879 --> 02:45:48.920
um and to be able to I guess filter that

02:45:49.000 --> 02:45:51.159
into um the activity center as well so

02:45:51.239 --> 02:45:52.840
just wanted to make those comments thank

02:45:52.920 --> 02:45:56.440
you thank you very much councilor s any

02:45:56.520 --> 02:45:58.040
other councilors requiring debate

02:45:58.120 --> 02:46:00.280
otherwise I'll ask councilor oxy she'd

02:46:00.360 --> 02:46:01.440
like to

02:46:01.520 --> 02:46:04.040
close Council o you no thank you very

02:46:04.120 --> 02:46:05.479
much councilors will now put this item

02:46:05.559 --> 02:46:08.040
to the vote all those in

02:46:08.120 --> 02:46:10.920
favour I declare that carried unanimously

02:46:11.000 --> 02:46:11.719
thank

02:46:11.799 --> 02:46:15.000
you councilors I need to move a ask for

02:46:15.079 --> 02:46:16.799
procedural motion to be considered by

02:46:16.879 --> 02:46:19.440
you for uh the extension of the meeting

02:46:19.520 --> 02:46:22.959
time we're proposing um a motion to

02:46:23.040 --> 02:46:26.159
extend the meeting for 1

02:46:26.239 --> 02:46:28.520
hour thank you councilor Cochran second

02:46:28.600 --> 02:46:30.399
and councilor

02:46:30.479 --> 02:46:32.879
Davies I please ask all those in favour

02:46:32.959 --> 02:46:35.680
to please raise your

02:46:35.760 --> 02:46:39.239
hand one two three four five sorry I

02:46:39.319 --> 02:46:41.120
just um can I check that that vote again

02:46:41.200 --> 02:46:42.360
please all those in favour please raise

02:46:42.440 --> 02:46:43.920
your

02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:45.559
hand

02:46:45.639 --> 02:46:47.639
thank you all those against all those

02:46:47.719 --> 02:46:49.479
abstaining okay thank you I declare that

02:46:49.559 --> 02:46:50.840
carried thank you very much councilors

02:46:50.920 --> 02:46:52.719
for your patience it's very much

02:46:52.799 --> 02:46:56.680
appreciated right item 9.5 is the

02:46:56.760 --> 02:46:59.440
landfill Services contract extension

02:46:59.520 --> 02:47:00.799
thank you councilor

02:47:00.879 --> 02:47:03.600
stos thank you councilor Davies does

02:47:03.680 --> 02:47:06.239
this item require any discussion any

02:47:06.319 --> 02:47:07.879
objections to this item

02:47:07.959 --> 02:47:11.399
councilors I'll ask all those in favour

02:47:11.479 --> 02:47:13.520
please raise your hand thank you I

02:47:13.600 --> 02:47:15.639
declare that item carried

02:47:15.719 --> 02:47:18.639
unanimously item 10.1 quick response

02:47:18.719 --> 02:47:21.479
grants councilors do we have a motion

02:47:21.559 --> 02:47:24.239
thank you councilor

02:47:25.159 --> 02:47:28.120
Hill uh yes I'd like to move an amended

02:47:28.200 --> 02:47:32.000
motion with uh points two and

02:47:32.079 --> 02:47:34.159
three yeah the one that appears on the

02:47:34.239 --> 02:47:35.959
screen thank you and Council oxy

02:47:36.040 --> 02:47:37.840
seconding thank you councilor Hill do

02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:40.000
you wish to speak to this I look only

02:47:40.079 --> 02:47:41.959
only very briefly and I'll let um

02:47:42.040 --> 02:47:45.079
Council Oxley speak to point two um

02:47:45.159 --> 02:47:48.639
which I'm sure she will want to um 0 one

02:47:48.719 --> 02:47:52.239
remains unchanged so I think it's seven

02:47:52.319 --> 02:47:55.680
um uh requests have been approved um

02:47:55.760 --> 02:47:59.200
there was another one to um St bead's

02:47:59.280 --> 02:48:02.879
college that was uh for I think it was a

02:48:02.959 --> 02:48:07.719
$1,500 um request now this um basically

02:48:07.799 --> 02:48:10.000
it tick we having a assessment criteria

02:48:10.079 --> 02:48:11.639
ticked all of the boxes with the one

02:48:11.719 --> 02:48:13.760
exception that the activity event

02:48:13.840 --> 02:48:16.159
project benefits city of Kingston

02:48:16.239 --> 02:48:18.840
residents um now it just really comes

02:48:18.920 --> 02:48:21.600
down to the way that this um tends to be

02:48:21.680 --> 02:48:24.360
interpreted and on that basis really any

02:48:24.440 --> 02:48:26.440
similar requests would not be approved

02:48:26.520 --> 02:48:28.280
even though you know I personally argue

02:48:28.360 --> 02:48:30.239
that they are for the benefit of

02:48:30.319 --> 02:48:31.920
residents I understand that maybe it

02:48:32.000 --> 02:48:33.479
could be argued that they're not for the

02:48:33.559 --> 02:48:35.200
benefit of the Greater Community but

02:48:35.280 --> 02:48:38.040
they are for the benefit of the the

02:48:38.120 --> 02:48:39.959
students who received received the

02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:44.440
funding so um just having a look into um

02:48:44.520 --> 02:48:45.959
the you know the

02:48:46.040 --> 02:48:50.280
stem uh event um that that the money is

02:48:50.360 --> 02:48:52.079
being requested for I think it's a great

02:48:52.159 --> 02:48:53.879
great thing to get the kids involved in

02:48:53.959 --> 02:48:55.719
and I therefore think that it would be

02:48:55.799 --> 02:48:57.639
uh good of council to approve that

02:48:57.719 --> 02:49:00.159
amount that was all thanks thank you

02:49:00.239 --> 02:49:02.440
very much councilor Hill councilor Oxley

02:49:02.520 --> 02:49:04.840
do you wish to speak to this thank

02:49:04.920 --> 02:49:08.680
you thank you very much um the one that

02:49:08.760 --> 02:49:10.079
I would like to speak to is the addition

02:49:10.159 --> 02:49:12.360
of point two um which very gratefully

02:49:12.440 --> 02:49:14.319
that councilor Hill has included that in

02:49:14.399 --> 02:49:16.399
movie this motion this evening what

02:49:16.479 --> 02:49:19.040
point two is seeking to do is approve an

02:49:19.120 --> 02:49:20.399
application that was submitted by the

02:49:20.479 --> 02:49:22.440
Chelsea bomb Beach train station group

02:49:22.520 --> 02:49:25.399
for $850 they are conducting a community

02:49:25.479 --> 02:49:28.000
connections forum and it's looking to be

02:49:28.079 --> 02:49:29.680
approved this evening it was a late

02:49:29.760 --> 02:49:31.239
application so I will note that it was

02:49:31.319 --> 02:49:33.120
late but due to the short meeting cycle

02:49:33.200 --> 02:49:34.879
that we had between November and

02:49:34.959 --> 02:49:37.200
December meetings um and also given the

02:49:37.280 --> 02:49:39.520
fact that our quick response grants come

02:49:39.600 --> 02:49:41.639
January will no longer be our quick

02:49:41.719 --> 02:49:43.799
response grants they will be under a

02:49:43.879 --> 02:49:46.639
completely separate grant program um and

02:49:46.719 --> 02:49:48.079
given that this was already submitted as

02:49:48.159 --> 02:49:50.239
a quick response Grant and it was the

02:49:50.319 --> 02:49:51.840
last one that we had that didn't make

02:49:51.920 --> 02:49:53.799
the cycle we thought it was prudent to

02:49:53.879 --> 02:49:56.079
get it assessed quickly get it assessed

02:49:56.159 --> 02:49:58.399
um by the council staff and they've

02:49:58.479 --> 02:49:59.399
advised that it does meet the

02:49:59.479 --> 02:50:01.639
Eligibility Assessment criteria and that

02:50:01.719 --> 02:50:03.680
they would have ordinarily approved that

02:50:03.760 --> 02:50:06.399
had it met the meeting cycle um that we

02:50:06.479 --> 02:50:08.799
actually approve that as one of the last

02:50:08.879 --> 02:50:12.159
Quick Response grants uh for 2023 or

02:50:12.239 --> 02:50:14.840
ever really as quick response grants um

02:50:14.920 --> 02:50:16.159
and wish them all the best in their

02:50:16.239 --> 02:50:18.479
Community connections Forum thank

02:50:18.559 --> 02:50:20.879
you thank you very much Council Oxley

02:50:20.959 --> 02:50:23.040
are there any objections to this um

02:50:23.120 --> 02:50:24.920
amended

02:50:25.000 --> 02:50:27.079
motion would anyone like councilor Hill

02:50:27.159 --> 02:50:28.639
would you like to close thank you

02:50:28.719 --> 02:50:30.239
councilor will put this item to the vote

02:50:30.319 --> 02:50:32.040
all those in

02:50:32.120 --> 02:50:35.319
favour thank you I declare that carried

02:50:35.399 --> 02:50:37.559
unanimously all right the next item is

02:50:37.639 --> 02:50:39.959
10.2 the election period policy

02:50:40.040 --> 02:50:41.600
councilors do we have a

02:50:41.680 --> 02:50:44.079
motion councilor Davies moving the

02:50:44.159 --> 02:50:47.319
motion on the screen thank you councilor

02:50:47.399 --> 02:50:50.319
sabb thank you councilor

02:50:50.399 --> 02:50:53.319
Davies councilor

02:50:53.399 --> 02:50:56.440
Sab Reserve are there any objections to

02:50:56.520 --> 02:50:57.959
this item

02:50:58.040 --> 02:51:00.000
councilors I'll put the item straight to

02:51:00.079 --> 02:51:02.639
the vote all those in

02:51:02.719 --> 02:51:05.319
favour thank you I declare that carried

02:51:05.399 --> 02:51:07.760
unanimously the next item is the

02:51:07.840 --> 02:51:10.440
governance and compliance report do we

02:51:10.520 --> 02:51:12.799
have a

02:51:12.879 --> 02:51:16.559
motion thank you councilor

02:51:18.559 --> 02:51:21.280
Davies thank you councilor stos

02:51:21.360 --> 02:51:25.000
councilor Davies Reserve councilor stos

02:51:25.079 --> 02:51:26.879
Reserve councilors are there any

02:51:26.959 --> 02:51:29.280
objections to this item I'll put the

02:51:29.360 --> 02:51:31.479
item to the vote all those in

02:51:31.559 --> 02:51:35.079
favour thank you I declare that carried

02:51:35.159 --> 02:51:38.239
unanimously councilor's um item 10.4

02:51:38.319 --> 02:51:40.040
operation sound and recommendations

02:51:40.120 --> 02:51:42.879
implementation options councilor oxy

02:51:42.959 --> 02:51:44.760
would you like to move on the screen

02:51:44.840 --> 02:51:46.719
thank you very

02:51:46.799 --> 02:51:51.040
much thank you councilor stos councilor

02:51:51.120 --> 02:51:54.319
Oxley just briefly um what this is

02:51:54.399 --> 02:51:56.719
asking of us this evening particularly

02:51:56.799 --> 02:51:58.520
with point one uh is to trial the

02:51:58.600 --> 02:52:00.079
following meeting procedure practices

02:52:00.159 --> 02:52:01.520
for period of four months beginning

02:52:01.600 --> 02:52:04.159
January 2024 in respect to the council

02:52:04.239 --> 02:52:05.559
meetings and planning committee meetings

02:52:05.639 --> 02:52:07.120
we're one we will have no on block

02:52:07.200 --> 02:52:09.600
voting now we're doing that anyway uh

02:52:09.680 --> 02:52:11.600
and two recording of all individual

02:52:11.680 --> 02:52:13.959
votes of a motion in the minutes and

02:52:14.040 --> 02:52:15.239
this is something that I've been seeking

02:52:15.319 --> 02:52:17.719
for Council to do for quite a long time

02:52:17.799 --> 02:52:19.239
um what that will mean is that in order

02:52:19.319 --> 02:52:20.600
to get votes recorded in the minutes

02:52:20.680 --> 02:52:22.479
council is no longer have to seek a

02:52:22.559 --> 02:52:24.280
division to do so now of course they can

02:52:24.360 --> 02:52:25.760
seek a division and have the vote called

02:52:25.840 --> 02:52:27.959
again if they still wish but ensuring

02:52:28.040 --> 02:52:29.719
that the individual votes of councilors

02:52:29.799 --> 02:52:31.680
are recorded in the minutes is not only

02:52:31.760 --> 02:52:33.799
an important transparency matter but an

02:52:33.879 --> 02:52:35.760
important accessibility matter as well

02:52:35.840 --> 02:52:37.760
for those who may not be able to see our

02:52:37.840 --> 02:52:39.239
tiny little faces on the screen when

02:52:39.319 --> 02:52:41.319
they watch the live stream um or the

02:52:41.399 --> 02:52:42.600
recording of the live stream in the

02:52:42.680 --> 02:52:45.120
future it is very very diff difficult to

02:52:45.200 --> 02:52:48.120
see how the vote actually occurred um so

02:52:48.200 --> 02:52:50.079
for those who may wish to go back and

02:52:50.159 --> 02:52:51.600
and see that I think that will be an

02:52:51.680 --> 02:52:53.239
important measure to be able to just

02:52:53.319 --> 02:52:55.600
very easily do that by looking at the

02:52:55.680 --> 02:52:58.280
minutes um point two I think is also a

02:52:58.360 --> 02:53:00.040
very important one and having those

02:53:00.120 --> 02:53:02.280
briefing and pre-meeting protocols to

02:53:02.360 --> 02:53:04.200
make sure that we are all incredibly

02:53:04.280 --> 02:53:06.559
clear on what it is that our Council

02:53:06.639 --> 02:53:08.319
briefing sessions are used for and what

02:53:08.399 --> 02:53:10.479
it is that our pre meetings are used for

02:53:10.559 --> 02:53:11.879
having those practice notes also

02:53:11.959 --> 02:53:13.360
relating to the governance rules I think

02:53:13.440 --> 02:53:16.040
is very very important as well and may

02:53:16.120 --> 02:53:17.559
potentially avoid us having to go

02:53:17.639 --> 02:53:20.000
through many many iterations of

02:53:20.079 --> 02:53:23.200
governance rules in a council term um

02:53:23.280 --> 02:53:25.920
the one that I think is also very very

02:53:26.000 --> 02:53:27.799
important is developing that training

02:53:27.879 --> 02:53:29.239
schedule to include the mandatory

02:53:29.319 --> 02:53:30.440
training as set out in the Local

02:53:30.520 --> 02:53:32.520
Government Act and further refresher

02:53:32.600 --> 02:53:34.120
sessions in terms of conflict of

02:53:34.200 --> 02:53:36.319
interest requirements meeting procedure

02:53:36.399 --> 02:53:38.159
best practice and topics of integrity

02:53:38.239 --> 02:53:40.719
and Leadership and I think in particular

02:53:40.799 --> 02:53:42.520
having those refresher sessions for

02:53:42.600 --> 02:53:44.639
councilors as they go through being a

02:53:44.719 --> 02:53:47.200
councilor over a 4-year term is very

02:53:47.280 --> 02:53:49.360
very important I'll leave it there but I

02:53:49.440 --> 02:53:50.600
think that this is a fantastic

02:53:50.680 --> 02:53:52.680
recommendation from officers and I look

02:53:52.760 --> 02:53:54.719
forward to triing those four months of

02:53:54.799 --> 02:53:56.600
those increased transparency measures

02:53:56.680 --> 02:53:58.559
thank you thank you very much councilor

02:53:58.639 --> 02:54:01.000
Oxley councilor

02:54:01.079 --> 02:54:03.399
stos would any other councilor like to

02:54:03.479 --> 02:54:06.399
speak to this matter councilor H thank

02:54:06.479 --> 02:54:08.319
you Madame mayor just briefly I support

02:54:08.399 --> 02:54:12.399
all the other options except 01a I think

02:54:12.479 --> 02:54:14.920
we've been trying uh

02:54:15.000 --> 02:54:18.120
on block voting a number of times it's

02:54:18.200 --> 02:54:21.479
purely wasting our time um yeah apart

02:54:21.559 --> 02:54:23.879
from that point I support everything

02:54:23.959 --> 02:54:28.120
else thank you councilor h councilor

02:54:28.200 --> 02:54:30.879
s I'm supportive of us making these

02:54:30.959 --> 02:54:32.559
changes and going through this trial but

02:54:32.639 --> 02:54:34.639
I did just want to flag I guess my my

02:54:34.719 --> 02:54:37.079
broader concern with us kind of figuring

02:54:37.159 --> 02:54:38.559
things out and testing things and I kind

02:54:38.639 --> 02:54:40.799
of have raised this before in our

02:54:40.879 --> 02:54:42.520
governance and policy advisory committee

02:54:42.600 --> 02:54:46.479
that um we actually I I know broadly

02:54:46.559 --> 02:54:48.440
that there's going to be some changes to

02:54:48.520 --> 02:54:50.600
the governance rules and um we don't

02:54:50.680 --> 02:54:52.959
know what that's going to be though we

02:54:53.040 --> 02:54:54.520
don't know at what shape or how they're

02:54:54.600 --> 02:54:56.719
going to implement them we don't know um

02:54:56.799 --> 02:54:57.600
whether or not they're going to take

02:54:57.680 --> 02:54:59.719
them all on board so I mean it's good

02:54:59.799 --> 02:55:02.760
that we are trying to be ahead of the

02:55:02.840 --> 02:55:05.280
curve and trying to keep Integrity as a

02:55:05.360 --> 02:55:07.200
core tenant of the way that we run our

02:55:07.280 --> 02:55:08.520
meetings and the way that we operate as

02:55:08.600 --> 02:55:10.680
a council um I'm just flagging though

02:55:10.760 --> 02:55:12.040
that we could be implementing these

02:55:12.120 --> 02:55:15.319
things and honestly then another set of

02:55:15.399 --> 02:55:16.520
rules are going to come and then another

02:55:16.600 --> 02:55:18.040
set of rules are going to come and we've

02:55:18.120 --> 02:55:20.799
already undergone pretty extensive

02:55:20.879 --> 02:55:23.479
changes in a for fouryear Council term

02:55:23.559 --> 02:55:25.479
of review on our governance rules a

02:55:25.559 --> 02:55:28.639
significant number of times I I just uh

02:55:28.719 --> 02:55:31.159
sometimes it's good for us to understand

02:55:31.239 --> 02:55:32.680
and read what's happening throughout the

02:55:32.760 --> 02:55:34.760
sector and in this case you know having

02:55:34.840 --> 02:55:36.280
sat on the local government maral

02:55:36.360 --> 02:55:38.559
advisory panel speaking to the minister

02:55:38.639 --> 02:55:40.000
specifically about operation standard

02:55:40.079 --> 02:55:42.799
and the governance rules changes um and

02:55:42.879 --> 02:55:44.120
understanding now we've articulated it

02:55:44.200 --> 02:55:45.360
to the group that there's probably going

02:55:45.440 --> 02:55:47.639
to be Universal governance rules applied

02:55:47.719 --> 02:55:50.159
to the state a set of that then can be

02:55:50.239 --> 02:55:52.200
customized to each govern to each uh

02:55:52.280 --> 02:55:56.399
Council so I just you know I just query

02:55:56.479 --> 02:55:58.120
whether or not we should really be doing

02:55:58.200 --> 02:56:01.639
so much right now knowing that not even

02:56:01.719 --> 02:56:03.959
I would say Midway through next year so

02:56:04.040 --> 02:56:05.760
probably by the time this trial is done

02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:07.200
that a new set of laws are going to come

02:56:07.280 --> 02:56:09.520
into effect so it just yeah we're just

02:56:09.600 --> 02:56:10.719
kind of going back and forth with

02:56:10.799 --> 02:56:12.040
different things and I'm I'm happy to do

02:56:12.120 --> 02:56:13.280
it because I think it's important that

02:56:13.360 --> 02:56:14.639
we do

02:56:14.719 --> 02:56:18.040
look at rulings and um reports that do

02:56:18.120 --> 02:56:20.959
come from udsm from inspectorates from

02:56:21.040 --> 02:56:23.239
uh across the sector and see how we can

02:56:23.319 --> 02:56:25.000
apply that here it's good that we do

02:56:25.079 --> 02:56:26.879
that I just I just query whether or not

02:56:26.959 --> 02:56:29.920
in this particular instant instance um

02:56:30.000 --> 02:56:31.239
whether or not we're just sort of kind

02:56:31.319 --> 02:56:34.920
of copying uh carbon cut and pasting

02:56:35.000 --> 02:56:36.879
different fixes that will then just be

02:56:36.959 --> 02:56:39.559
undone not too long after um but I am

02:56:39.639 --> 02:56:40.920
supportive of it and I think it is

02:56:41.000 --> 02:56:43.040
important that we do um follow this

02:56:43.120 --> 02:56:44.639
process we have seen the effects of on

02:56:44.719 --> 02:56:46.479
blocking on block voting and not doing

02:56:46.559 --> 02:56:48.360
so um we're seeing it now we've seen it

02:56:48.440 --> 02:56:50.520
in the past couple of meetings um but I

02:56:50.600 --> 02:56:53.280
think habits start to change and culture

02:56:53.360 --> 02:56:54.760
starts to change and we figure out the

02:56:54.840 --> 02:56:56.840
best way of doing it um so I just wanted

02:56:56.920 --> 02:56:58.600
to make those comments thank you very

02:56:58.680 --> 02:57:01.120
much councilor s any other councilors

02:57:01.200 --> 02:57:03.000
wish thank you councilor

02:57:03.079 --> 02:57:05.559
Eden uh yes thank you and I just wanted

02:57:05.639 --> 02:57:08.079
to just take a moment just to read out

02:57:08.159 --> 02:57:11.040
uh one of the reports that came from uh

02:57:11.120 --> 02:57:13.639
ibac it's a quick summary and it says

02:57:13.719 --> 02:57:15.600
this report sets out the findings of

02:57:15.680 --> 02:57:17.840
ibac's operation sandon which was an

02:57:17.920 --> 02:57:19.879
investigation into whether any city of

02:57:19.959 --> 02:57:22.319
Casey councilors had accepted payments

02:57:22.399 --> 02:57:24.440
gifts or other benefits including

02:57:24.520 --> 02:57:26.840
political donations in exchange for

02:57:26.920 --> 02:57:29.000
voting on or influencing Council

02:57:29.079 --> 02:57:31.000
decisions on planning matters that

02:57:31.079 --> 02:57:32.600
favoured the interests of developer and

02:57:32.680 --> 02:57:35.319
planning Consultants Etc and I think

02:57:35.399 --> 02:57:37.799
it's important for us to always remember

02:57:37.879 --> 02:57:41.200
that there are fundamental drivers and

02:57:41.280 --> 02:57:44.040
the fundamental drivers uh that I see

02:57:44.120 --> 02:57:46.360
and that the media had reported on was

02:57:46.440 --> 02:57:49.799
the influence of money into councils

02:57:49.879 --> 02:57:51.639
money flowing through the form of

02:57:51.719 --> 02:57:55.159
donations gifts or other benefits uh

02:57:55.239 --> 02:57:59.040
through to candidates through to sitting

02:57:59.120 --> 02:58:01.879
councilors uh and that that is what

02:58:01.959 --> 02:58:04.680
really spurred on uh some of these

02:58:04.760 --> 02:58:06.920
investigations and I think whilst we can

02:58:07.000 --> 02:58:10.040
look at and I support triing some of

02:58:10.120 --> 02:58:12.719
these different uh measures like the on

02:58:12.799 --> 02:58:15.159
block voting change recording of how

02:58:15.239 --> 02:58:19.040
people vote in minutes uh Etc I think we

02:58:19.120 --> 02:58:20.520
need to be very

02:58:20.600 --> 02:58:23.319
mindful that there's what happens here

02:58:23.399 --> 02:58:25.079
and how someone puts their hand up in a

02:58:25.159 --> 02:58:28.159
meeting here but there's also what

02:58:28.239 --> 02:58:29.879
happens in the conversations where a

02:58:29.959 --> 02:58:31.719
councilor goes up to potentially an

02:58:31.799 --> 02:58:34.120
officer uh as was detailed through some

02:58:34.200 --> 02:58:36.719
investigations that did occur and they

02:58:36.799 --> 02:58:39.319
say oh mate can you sort this out for me

02:58:39.399 --> 02:58:41.639
and it's those conversations that can

02:58:41.719 --> 02:58:44.120
quite often be damaging so I think it's

02:58:44.200 --> 02:58:46.719
important to actually look at uh point

02:58:46.799 --> 02:58:49.280
two developed briefing and pre- meating

02:58:49.360 --> 02:58:51.120
protocols I actually think there needs

02:58:51.200 --> 02:58:53.399
to be a real refresher for councilors

02:58:53.479 --> 02:58:55.920
and staff around the councilor staff

02:58:56.000 --> 02:58:58.719
interaction policy and what is

02:58:58.799 --> 02:59:01.799
appropriate and what is not appropriate

02:59:01.879 --> 02:59:04.840
is it suitable for a councilor uh in any

02:59:04.920 --> 02:59:07.239
position to go to an officer and say I'd

02:59:07.319 --> 02:59:08.959
like you to organize this for me I'd

02:59:09.040 --> 02:59:11.319
like you to go and do this for me but

02:59:11.399 --> 02:59:13.479
other people don't get that same uh

02:59:13.559 --> 02:59:16.000
opport OPP Unity uh and they get an

02:59:16.079 --> 02:59:18.879
advantage from it is it suitable for a

02:59:18.959 --> 02:59:22.120
councilor to you know receive implicit

02:59:22.200 --> 02:59:24.200
support and they trade off and so I

02:59:24.280 --> 02:59:26.840
won't take money at an election but give

02:59:26.920 --> 02:59:29.719
me five candidates to preference me and

02:59:29.799 --> 02:59:31.520
that's the type of conversation and

02:59:31.600 --> 02:59:33.680
concern that I think really needs to be

02:59:33.760 --> 02:59:35.280
explored further and I know there's a

02:59:35.360 --> 02:59:36.959
notice of motion later tonight to

02:59:37.040 --> 02:59:38.879
discuss that further because it is very

02:59:38.959 --> 02:59:41.239
timely particularly with operation sand

02:59:41.319 --> 02:59:43.239
and which look back at some of those

02:59:43.319 --> 02:59:44.760
behaviors

02:59:44.840 --> 02:59:46.440
uh but I think it is important uh

02:59:46.520 --> 02:59:48.239
particularly given these findings that

02:59:48.319 --> 02:59:50.799
as a council we can take proactive

02:59:50.879 --> 02:59:53.479
measures to try to show the community

02:59:53.559 --> 02:59:56.239
that we are leaders and that we are not

02:59:56.319 --> 02:59:58.440
a council that just waits for something

02:59:58.520 --> 03:00:01.280
to come out to then go ooh there's an

03:00:01.360 --> 03:00:03.680
issue we better respond but instead to

03:00:03.760 --> 03:00:06.360
say let's be leaders in this space let's

03:00:06.440 --> 03:00:08.760
make sure we have proper uh briefing

03:00:08.840 --> 03:00:11.200
protocols uh and that people are

03:00:11.280 --> 03:00:13.000
following the processes that are in

03:00:13.079 --> 03:00:15.159
place start to finish so I endorse this

03:00:15.239 --> 03:00:18.319
report thank you thank you Council

03:00:18.399 --> 03:00:20.879
Eden councilor

03:00:20.959 --> 03:00:25.719
H can I move an amendment to remove

03:00:25.799 --> 03:00:29.479
18 thank you Council H it's I know

03:00:29.559 --> 03:00:31.520
that's been seconded by councilor

03:00:31.600 --> 03:00:33.719
Beasley I

03:00:33.799 --> 03:00:35.879
will sorry check with the mve in the

03:00:35.959 --> 03:00:38.479
second of my

03:00:42.360 --> 03:00:45.920
apologies so Council oxy you moved this

03:00:46.000 --> 03:00:50.000
item were you agreeable to this

03:00:51.520 --> 03:00:54.399
amendment and councilor stost you're not

03:00:54.479 --> 03:00:57.559
agreeable thank

03:00:57.840 --> 03:01:01.200
you no all right so then we do have

03:01:01.280 --> 03:01:03.120
councilor basy who seconded the motion

03:01:03.200 --> 03:01:05.280
so just one moment and I'll just confirm

03:01:05.360 --> 03:01:07.520
with

03:01:07.600 --> 03:01:10.200
governance so we'll now debate the item

03:01:10.280 --> 03:01:12.000
thank you Council H would you like to

03:01:12.079 --> 03:01:14.719
speak to the um item you've moved thank

03:01:14.799 --> 03:01:17.319
you Mame I just want to test the water

03:01:17.399 --> 03:01:21.000
um obviously the item 1 a is talking

03:01:21.079 --> 03:01:24.639
about Charing uh no unblock uh voting

03:01:24.719 --> 03:01:27.079
for four months and I think we've been

03:01:27.159 --> 03:01:28.559
already doing that for more than

03:01:28.639 --> 03:01:29.879
probably more than four months I lost

03:01:29.959 --> 03:01:32.680
account and it's purely just wasting our

03:01:32.760 --> 03:01:35.280
time um people can see what we are

03:01:35.360 --> 03:01:39.760
voting for on on the the screen um it's

03:01:39.840 --> 03:01:42.600
just the difference between we spoke to

03:01:42.680 --> 03:01:45.799
2030 motions individually or speaking to

03:01:45.879 --> 03:01:48.360
them all at once

03:01:48.440 --> 03:01:52.040
um I think people in the room agree that

03:01:52.120 --> 03:01:55.799
it is wasting our time it is the most

03:01:55.879 --> 03:01:57.440
the only probably the only reason keep

03:01:57.520 --> 03:02:02.920
us here um almost 11: p.m. every every

03:02:03.000 --> 03:02:06.879
uh meeting so yeah want to see if we

03:02:06.959 --> 03:02:09.440
have this support to remove that as as I

03:02:09.520 --> 03:02:12.840
said we've already Tri it thank you very

03:02:12.920 --> 03:02:15.319
much Council councilor

03:02:15.399 --> 03:02:19.799
basley uh thank you mayor jdb thank you

03:02:19.879 --> 03:02:21.600
I I feel the same way we've trialed it a

03:02:21.680 --> 03:02:24.559
few times when you come into this

03:02:24.639 --> 03:02:26.680
chamber you want to be ready to make

03:02:26.760 --> 03:02:30.360
good decisions um all the way through

03:02:30.440 --> 03:02:33.040
the meeting uh I find

03:02:33.120 --> 03:02:36.399
decisions after about 9:30 10:00 you

03:02:36.479 --> 03:02:38.840
know that they become labored and harder

03:02:38.920 --> 03:02:41.040
to do by the time you're getting to

03:02:41.120 --> 03:02:43.680
11:00 it is it is much more difficult

03:02:43.760 --> 03:02:48.079
difficult um to follow debate Etc it we

03:02:48.159 --> 03:02:51.159
can do it but I think the better way to

03:02:51.239 --> 03:02:54.120
do it is for good decision making is

03:02:54.200 --> 03:02:58.399
actually to what well actually um mayor

03:02:58.479 --> 03:03:00.159
jdb you're actually really good at it

03:03:00.239 --> 03:03:03.959
which is you list them all and then

03:03:04.040 --> 03:03:05.680
people can talk to the ones that you

03:03:05.760 --> 03:03:07.959
agree on I mean that's that to me is a

03:03:08.040 --> 03:03:11.959
great way of making sure that um that

03:03:12.040 --> 03:03:14.799
things aren't hidden if there's on block

03:03:14.879 --> 03:03:16.559
but maybe there's a couple of sections

03:03:16.639 --> 03:03:18.600
of on block so that you know that's

03:03:18.680 --> 03:03:19.920
that's a better way of doing it but I

03:03:20.000 --> 03:03:22.040
think there's a way of being in

03:03:22.120 --> 03:03:25.399
efficient and transparent and this on

03:03:25.479 --> 03:03:28.520
block one not only leads to it's not

03:03:28.600 --> 03:03:30.639
efficient it may be transparent I don't

03:03:30.719 --> 03:03:33.319
think it's any better but there may be a

03:03:33.399 --> 03:03:36.120
a case for it being transparent but then

03:03:36.200 --> 03:03:37.920
you're running into other governance

03:03:38.000 --> 03:03:39.959
issues because the meetings are just

03:03:40.040 --> 03:03:43.440
dragging on and on and on so I and and

03:03:43.520 --> 03:03:45.840
and that to me is is just why I'm not

03:03:45.920 --> 03:03:48.440
keen on on block we have tried it and

03:03:48.520 --> 03:03:50.719
I'm sitting here tonight and I'd prefer

03:03:50.799 --> 03:03:53.000
that we did on block at the start of the

03:03:53.079 --> 03:03:54.840
meeting

03:03:54.920 --> 03:03:57.040
thanks goodness okay we have Council

03:03:57.120 --> 03:03:58.399
Oxley then councilor Davies and

03:03:58.479 --> 03:04:00.120
councilor stos Council

03:04:00.200 --> 03:04:02.879
Oxley thank you um the reason why I'm

03:04:02.959 --> 03:04:05.879
not supportive of uh removing point1 a

03:04:05.959 --> 03:04:08.399
and whilst I to would like a shorter

03:04:08.479 --> 03:04:11.120
meeting I'm sure we all would

03:04:11.200 --> 03:04:13.959
fundamentally this is our job to come

03:04:14.040 --> 03:04:17.120
here once a month and decide on these

03:04:17.200 --> 03:04:19.799
items when we look at the report and we

03:04:19.879 --> 03:04:22.639
actually work through this point two is

03:04:22.719 --> 03:04:24.360
develop briefing and pre-meeting

03:04:24.440 --> 03:04:25.959
protocols for Council meetings and

03:04:26.040 --> 03:04:27.879
planning committee meetings and for

03:04:27.959 --> 03:04:29.440
councilor briefing

03:04:29.520 --> 03:04:33.159
sessions an on block previously and this

03:04:33.239 --> 03:04:35.319
is mainly probably for the benefit of of

03:04:35.399 --> 03:04:41.399
those watching at home is developed at a

03:04:41.479 --> 03:04:43.719
pre-briefing yes we vote on it in a

03:04:43.799 --> 03:04:46.399
council meeting but we develop what goes

03:04:46.479 --> 03:04:50.159
in the on block motion at a meeting

03:04:50.239 --> 03:04:53.159
outside of a public council

03:04:53.239 --> 03:04:56.040
meeting and that was actually part of

03:04:56.120 --> 03:04:58.680
the issue that was

03:04:58.760 --> 03:05:02.360
directly referred to in the sandon

03:05:02.440 --> 03:05:04.479
report and I think this just goes

03:05:04.559 --> 03:05:06.399
fundamentally to what it is as a council

03:05:06.479 --> 03:05:07.559
we need to work

03:05:07.639 --> 03:05:10.680
towards we have residents sitting here

03:05:10.760 --> 03:05:13.600
with us at 10 10 at night who care

03:05:13.680 --> 03:05:16.040
enough about the issues to still be here

03:05:16.120 --> 03:05:18.280
with us at 10 10 at

03:05:18.360 --> 03:05:20.920
night and whilst I'm sure they would

03:05:21.000 --> 03:05:23.159
probably agree with us that they would

03:05:23.239 --> 03:05:24.879
probably too like a shorter

03:05:24.959 --> 03:05:27.079
meeting what's to say that an issue that

03:05:27.159 --> 03:05:28.920
we put in the on block

03:05:29.000 --> 03:05:31.600
motion is one that should be in the on

03:05:31.680 --> 03:05:34.079
block one that a resident hasn't come

03:05:34.159 --> 03:05:36.239
along to hear the debate on that just

03:05:36.319 --> 03:05:38.879
gets pushed through in an onbl motion so

03:05:38.959 --> 03:05:41.479
whilst I agree with the sentiments of of

03:05:41.559 --> 03:05:44.479
not having longer meetings and and

03:05:44.559 --> 03:05:46.920
having that on block I think for for

03:05:47.000 --> 03:05:49.920
transparency for accountability and for

03:05:50.000 --> 03:05:53.479
what we need to do one meeting a

03:05:53.559 --> 03:05:57.000
month I think we can do it thank you

03:05:57.079 --> 03:05:59.479
thank you councilor Oxley councilor

03:05:59.559 --> 03:06:02.159
Davies uh thank you mayor I'm actually

03:06:02.239 --> 03:06:05.079
in favour of this amendment um and I will

03:06:05.159 --> 03:06:07.799
say that is for a number of reasons I I

03:06:07.879 --> 03:06:09.879
agree that totally that um operation

03:06:09.959 --> 03:06:12.399
sandom was concerned with transparency

03:06:12.479 --> 03:06:13.719
and trying to avoid

03:06:13.799 --> 03:06:15.760
corruption um and making sure that

03:06:15.840 --> 03:06:18.000
people were aware of you know what the

03:06:18.079 --> 03:06:20.360
views of councils are um if you have a

03:06:20.440 --> 03:06:22.879
look at Item B we're actually going to

03:06:22.959 --> 03:06:25.280
record the individual votes so we will

03:06:25.360 --> 03:06:27.760
know which uh the view is of every

03:06:27.840 --> 03:06:30.399
single councilor that is here um you

03:06:30.479 --> 03:06:32.920
don't have to vote in favour of on block

03:06:33.000 --> 03:06:35.520
you can pull items out uh that

03:06:35.600 --> 03:06:37.719
frequently happened when we had on block

03:06:37.799 --> 03:06:40.600
where um an item was circulated that

03:06:40.680 --> 03:06:42.399
these were potentially our on block

03:06:42.479 --> 03:06:44.879
items and let anyone know if they had

03:06:44.959 --> 03:06:49.639
concerns um so I do believe that um you

03:06:49.719 --> 03:06:52.360
know time is a factor and what if you

03:06:52.440 --> 03:06:54.200
notice what we've done over the past few

03:06:54.280 --> 03:06:56.520
meetings where we haven't had on block

03:06:56.600 --> 03:06:58.000
we get to the end of the evening and we

03:06:58.079 --> 03:07:00.479
get a whole list of matters and we just

03:07:00.559 --> 03:07:01.879
vote and there's no discussion on them

03:07:01.959 --> 03:07:06.920
anyway so all we're really doing is um I

03:07:07.000 --> 03:07:09.479
think when there was on block people did

03:07:09.559 --> 03:07:11.799
frequently speak to particular items

03:07:11.879 --> 03:07:13.600
that they wanted to talk about

03:07:13.680 --> 03:07:16.000
anyone who wants to talk about an item

03:07:16.079 --> 03:07:18.239
can talk about an item on block voting

03:07:18.319 --> 03:07:20.360
does not stop that it does not stop

03:07:20.440 --> 03:07:21.840
someone getting up and saying and

03:07:21.920 --> 03:07:23.440
frequently I have heard councilors do

03:07:23.520 --> 03:07:25.280
this when there were matters on on block

03:07:25.360 --> 03:07:27.479
that they would actually not be voting

03:07:27.559 --> 03:07:29.000
because a particular matter was in there

03:07:29.079 --> 03:07:31.440
and they explained why if you talk about

03:07:31.520 --> 03:07:34.840
transparency you still have it so I will

03:07:34.920 --> 03:07:36.440
um very I'm very supportive of this

03:07:36.520 --> 03:07:39.399
amendment thank you thank you very much

03:07:39.479 --> 03:07:41.120
councilor Davies councilor

03:07:41.200 --> 03:07:44.680
St um councilors I think we also need to

03:07:44.760 --> 03:07:47.600
show some personal

03:07:47.680 --> 03:07:49.760
responsibility um this meeting was

03:07:49.840 --> 03:07:52.360
supposed to happen over two nights there

03:07:52.440 --> 03:07:53.920
was supposed to be a planning meeting on

03:07:54.000 --> 03:07:56.959
Wednesday night and this group decided

03:07:57.040 --> 03:07:59.920
to forgo that planning committee meeting

03:08:00.000 --> 03:08:02.479
and to have and try to jam it all into

03:08:02.559 --> 03:08:05.639
one night so that's a decision that we

03:08:05.719 --> 03:08:08.360
made we don't we didn't have to be here

03:08:08.440 --> 03:08:09.959
this late and we didn't have to try to

03:08:10.040 --> 03:08:11.479
get it all done in one

03:08:11.559 --> 03:08:13.840
night secondly

03:08:13.920 --> 03:08:19.479
we're still operating on the same cycle

03:08:19.559 --> 03:08:22.799
that we were operating on in

03:08:22.879 --> 03:08:26.600
1994 where Council had one meeting a

03:08:26.680 --> 03:08:29.239
month other councils that are of

03:08:29.319 --> 03:08:31.040
equivalent size and complexity of the

03:08:31.120 --> 03:08:33.639
city of Kingston have an ordinary

03:08:33.719 --> 03:08:36.000
meeting perhaps every two weeks or every

03:08:36.079 --> 03:08:38.920
3 weeks but we still only do it once a

03:08:39.000 --> 03:08:42.120
month the other thing I'll say um is

03:08:42.200 --> 03:08:45.719
that it is incumbent on us to be

03:08:45.799 --> 03:08:48.440
economical with our words uh to make

03:08:48.520 --> 03:08:51.799
sure that we aren't here until close

03:08:51.879 --> 03:08:55.760
until beyond the time limit um and the

03:08:55.840 --> 03:08:57.360
third thing I'll say is don't forget we

03:08:57.440 --> 03:08:59.600
spent 40 minutes tonight listening to

03:08:59.680 --> 03:09:02.040
questions and answers which is a

03:09:02.120 --> 03:09:05.000
privilege um that we've afforded the

03:09:05.079 --> 03:09:08.399
community um but it's still eats in so

03:09:08.479 --> 03:09:10.360
that's not that's not 40 minutes that's

03:09:10.440 --> 03:09:14.280
taken up by um the the la of an on block

03:09:14.360 --> 03:09:16.000
that's 40 minutes by something a

03:09:16.079 --> 03:09:18.200
privilege that we've um afforded the

03:09:18.280 --> 03:09:21.399
community um to ask questions that could

03:09:21.479 --> 03:09:24.159
be asked in another way through emails

03:09:24.239 --> 03:09:26.360
to officers through phone calls coming

03:09:26.440 --> 03:09:28.680
to customer service Etc so I just wanted

03:09:28.760 --> 03:09:32.520
to make those points as to why I think

03:09:32.600 --> 03:09:34.680
we should stick with this because it's

03:09:34.760 --> 03:09:37.920
going to be brought in as a regulation

03:09:38.000 --> 03:09:41.600
anyway um by government uh in a response

03:09:41.680 --> 03:09:43.879
to operation sand

03:09:43.959 --> 03:09:46.280
thank you very much councilor stos would

03:09:46.360 --> 03:09:48.200
any other councilors like to speak thank

03:09:48.280 --> 03:09:50.760
you councilor Eden uh yes thank you and

03:09:50.840 --> 03:09:52.639
I do want to thank councilor H for

03:09:52.719 --> 03:09:55.440
raising this uh item and Council Bley

03:09:55.520 --> 03:09:56.879
for seconding it because I think it is

03:09:56.959 --> 03:10:00.639
an important uh point for us to discuss

03:10:00.719 --> 03:10:03.239
and I think looking at some of the items

03:10:03.319 --> 03:10:05.159
tonight the cat confinement order the

03:10:05.239 --> 03:10:08.479
dog control order uh the minutes and

03:10:08.559 --> 03:10:11.040
then we looked at some of the uh reports

03:10:11.120 --> 03:10:13.000
that came back uh which detailed the

03:10:13.079 --> 03:10:14.799
minutes of when councils had attended

03:10:14.879 --> 03:10:17.000
events and so forth already under I

03:10:17.079 --> 03:10:18.040
think

03:10:18.120 --> 03:10:20.639
10.3 items like that I think would have

03:10:20.719 --> 03:10:23.319
ordinarily gone through the on block

03:10:23.399 --> 03:10:26.399
process but uh interestingly tonight

03:10:26.479 --> 03:10:28.959
they were uh some of them were

03:10:29.040 --> 03:10:31.239
substantially ventilated with amendments

03:10:31.319 --> 03:10:33.840
and changes to them so I think there are

03:10:33.920 --> 03:10:35.799
times where we might think something is

03:10:35.879 --> 03:10:39.079
a simple issue but councilors then uh

03:10:39.159 --> 03:10:41.079
throw something into the mix and a

03:10:41.159 --> 03:10:43.840
different outcome actually comes as a

03:10:43.920 --> 03:10:46.559
result I do believe though if we look at

03:10:46.639 --> 03:10:49.159
the meeting uh processes uh and

03:10:49.239 --> 03:10:50.920
developing those briefings and

03:10:51.000 --> 03:10:53.479
pre-meeting protocols we may very well

03:10:53.559 --> 03:10:55.680
get to the point of having two ordinary

03:10:55.760 --> 03:10:58.520
meetings uh you know per month and I

03:10:58.600 --> 03:11:01.079
think that is when you look at uh and

03:11:01.159 --> 03:11:05.360
I'm expressing in my own view um here

03:11:05.440 --> 03:11:06.840
the number of meetings that are

03:11:06.920 --> 03:11:09.520
sometimes had where you get delivered an

03:11:09.600 --> 03:11:11.280
agenda if you get a paper version or you

03:11:11.360 --> 03:11:13.239
get an uploaded version if you go off

03:11:13.319 --> 03:11:16.600
the E version uh and you can actually

03:11:16.680 --> 03:11:20.479
read a report in your own time at home

03:11:20.559 --> 03:11:22.239
uh rather than necessarily having a

03:11:22.319 --> 03:11:23.959
briefing where sometimes reports are

03:11:24.040 --> 03:11:26.159
read through uh officers will make

03:11:26.239 --> 03:11:27.760
comment and they'll explain something

03:11:27.840 --> 03:11:29.479
and I've had this happen a number of

03:11:29.559 --> 03:11:32.120
times in meetings uh that I've attended

03:11:32.200 --> 03:11:34.239
officers will read out uh the key

03:11:34.319 --> 03:11:36.079
highlights everything will be in the

03:11:36.159 --> 03:11:38.120
report and then a councilor might make a

03:11:38.200 --> 03:11:40.159
comment to the effect of oh could you

03:11:40.239 --> 03:11:41.520
just go through that I didn't quite get

03:11:41.600 --> 03:11:43.799
what was in this report the officer says

03:11:43.879 --> 03:11:45.879
I just went through it verbally it's

03:11:45.959 --> 03:11:47.479
also in the report oh well I didn't get

03:11:47.559 --> 03:11:50.559
a chance to read the uh agenda and I

03:11:50.639 --> 03:11:53.159
think for us to look at having two

03:11:53.239 --> 03:11:55.920
ordinary meetings a month or getting to

03:11:56.000 --> 03:11:58.959
a point where maybe a CIS night there's

03:11:59.040 --> 03:12:01.079
an hour of briefing and then we actually

03:12:01.159 --> 03:12:02.520
go in and we deal with some of those

03:12:02.600 --> 03:12:05.120
issues to keep things moving I think has

03:12:05.200 --> 03:12:07.920
a lot of Merit to it I know uh councilor

03:12:08.000 --> 03:12:09.920
Beasley and myself I think we discussed

03:12:10.000 --> 03:12:11.840
this the first time we got elected to

03:12:11.920 --> 03:12:15.200
council and there was a status quo of oh

03:12:15.280 --> 03:12:16.399
we've done this for so many years at

03:12:16.479 --> 03:12:18.719
work let's keep doing it but I do think

03:12:18.799 --> 03:12:19.799
we need to probably have that

03:12:19.879 --> 03:12:21.879
conversation and whether that's had uh

03:12:21.959 --> 03:12:24.959
at a CIS or at a workshop because a lot

03:12:25.040 --> 03:12:26.879
of these items we can get a quicker

03:12:26.959 --> 03:12:29.319
turnaround uh for officers as well

03:12:29.399 --> 03:12:30.600
rather than they're sitting there for a

03:12:30.680 --> 03:12:33.479
month or two lining up for a meeting uh

03:12:33.559 --> 03:12:37.760
if we can I do think having a uh a

03:12:37.840 --> 03:12:40.200
meeting that goes for example tonight uh

03:12:40.280 --> 03:12:42.600
to the time that it does is a bit longer

03:12:42.680 --> 03:12:44.840
but as Council stos said that was a

03:12:44.920 --> 03:12:46.440
decision to put everything on the one

03:12:46.520 --> 03:12:48.520
agenda so it's naturally going to be

03:12:48.600 --> 03:12:51.040
longer but I would urge if we could have

03:12:51.120 --> 03:12:53.600
a discussion about potentially uh

03:12:53.680 --> 03:12:55.360
changing the number of briefings and

03:12:55.440 --> 03:12:57.200
increasing the number of uh ordinary

03:12:57.280 --> 03:12:59.360
meetings either in this term or the next

03:12:59.440 --> 03:13:00.959
uh as something beneficial thank you

03:13:01.040 --> 03:13:03.840
thank you councilor Eden councilors I'd

03:13:03.920 --> 03:13:05.280
like to put this item to the vote unless

03:13:05.360 --> 03:13:07.040
there's any further discussion

03:13:07.120 --> 03:13:09.760
required no so we are voting on the

03:13:09.840 --> 03:13:11.680
proposed amendment moved by Council H

03:13:11.760 --> 03:13:13.520
and second by coun basley to remove

03:13:13.600 --> 03:13:16.239
option1 a I'll ask all those councilors

03:13:16.319 --> 03:13:22.040
in favour to please raise your hand 1 2 3

03:13:22.120 --> 03:13:26.440
4 thank you all those

03:13:27.520 --> 03:13:31.079
against and all those

03:13:32.440 --> 03:13:36.239
abstaining I declare that

03:13:36.680 --> 03:13:39.200
lost thank you councilors for the debate

03:13:39.280 --> 03:13:41.399
we will now return back to debate on the

03:13:41.479 --> 03:13:44.040
substantive motion

03:13:44.120 --> 03:13:47.520
any further discussion

03:13:48.120 --> 03:13:50.520
required I will

03:13:50.600 --> 03:13:52.959
ask councilor Oxley if you'd like to

03:13:53.040 --> 03:13:55.319
close thank you councilors I'll now put

03:13:55.399 --> 03:13:59.079
this item to the vote all those in

03:14:02.200 --> 03:14:07.000
favour all those against all those

03:14:07.079 --> 03:14:10.360
abstaining I declare that carried thank

03:14:10.440 --> 03:14:13.399
you councilors item 10 5 Kingston

03:14:13.479 --> 03:14:16.079
digital marketing plan councils do we

03:14:16.159 --> 03:14:18.399
have a

03:14:19.600 --> 03:14:21.760
motion councilor

03:14:21.840 --> 03:14:25.600
Eden councilor Beasley thank you Council

03:14:25.680 --> 03:14:27.719
Eden do you wish to speak to this

03:14:27.799 --> 03:14:31.440
item uh yes thank you for thank you uh

03:14:31.520 --> 03:14:35.120
asking uh in terms of this uh proposal I

03:14:35.200 --> 03:14:37.319
want to just acknowledge firstly the

03:14:37.399 --> 03:14:40.280
amount of effort uh time and energy that

03:14:40.360 --> 03:14:42.200
has actually gone into pulling together

03:14:42.280 --> 03:14:45.520
the Kingston digital marketing uh plan I

03:14:45.600 --> 03:14:47.200
know that this is something that

03:14:47.280 --> 03:14:49.280
councilors um have been particularly

03:14:49.360 --> 03:14:51.239
involved in and looking at how as an

03:14:51.319 --> 03:14:53.959
organization we can modernize uh the

03:14:54.040 --> 03:14:56.520
communication and the outbound marketing

03:14:56.600 --> 03:14:58.399
that we actually do as an organization

03:14:58.479 --> 03:15:01.559
to better involve uh residents and

03:15:01.639 --> 03:15:05.120
better involve businesses um and I look

03:15:05.200 --> 03:15:08.280
at back in July 2023 we had internal

03:15:08.360 --> 03:15:10.760
working groups established and that had

03:15:10.840 --> 03:15:12.360
representatives from Kingston business

03:15:12.440 --> 03:15:14.680
business es uh Communications and

03:15:14.760 --> 03:15:17.440
digital um organizations there was

03:15:17.520 --> 03:15:19.799
benchmarking uh and research project

03:15:19.879 --> 03:15:21.799
briefs were established in internal

03:15:21.879 --> 03:15:24.000
workshops um and then we've had other

03:15:24.079 --> 03:15:27.040
updates along the way we've also had um

03:15:27.120 --> 03:15:28.959
items come to the ordinary council

03:15:29.040 --> 03:15:32.399
meeting uh as well so this has been well

03:15:32.479 --> 03:15:35.120
canvased before the council group what I

03:15:35.200 --> 03:15:38.239
think is particularly uh interesting

03:15:38.319 --> 03:15:40.840
here is that we've received uh High

03:15:40.920 --> 03:15:42.719
Caliber candidates with a deep strategy

03:15:42.799 --> 03:15:45.440
expertise and tourism and marketing

03:15:45.520 --> 03:15:49.040
experience uh 57 applications were

03:15:49.120 --> 03:15:50.799
received so I think that's probably a

03:15:50.879 --> 03:15:54.280
testament to the uh program leader uh

03:15:54.360 --> 03:15:57.120
Freya as well for building a team that

03:15:57.200 --> 03:15:59.600
join and they want to be part of uh to

03:15:59.680 --> 03:16:01.879
the uh Peter as well uh and to the

03:16:01.959 --> 03:16:03.440
general managers for creating an

03:16:03.520 --> 03:16:06.000
environment where a lot of officers uh

03:16:06.079 --> 03:16:09.159
are able to get that level of Engagement

03:16:09.239 --> 03:16:11.600
and application for roles that Council

03:16:11.680 --> 03:16:13.040
creates

03:16:13.120 --> 03:16:15.159
what is interesting and what is new in

03:16:15.239 --> 03:16:16.719
this report is that we're actually

03:16:16.799 --> 03:16:18.399
looking at some guerilla marketing

03:16:18.479 --> 03:16:20.680
initiatives and I believe councilor Hal

03:16:20.760 --> 03:16:23.319
had um emphasized the importance of

03:16:23.399 --> 03:16:26.200
triing some out of the-box ideas uh in

03:16:26.280 --> 03:16:30.680
the past um including uh going through

03:16:30.760 --> 03:16:32.920
uh different online listings Tik Tok

03:16:33.000 --> 03:16:35.440
channels YouTube and trying to reach

03:16:35.520 --> 03:16:38.000
potentially uh some younger generation

03:16:38.079 --> 03:16:41.079
uh as well as older generation residents

03:16:41.159 --> 03:16:43.120
uh through community popups and

03:16:43.200 --> 03:16:45.479
engagement as well uh so really trying

03:16:45.559 --> 03:16:47.440
to bring that digital footprint into

03:16:47.520 --> 03:16:50.159
Council but maintaining uh a lot of the

03:16:50.239 --> 03:16:51.920
traditional means of

03:16:52.000 --> 03:16:55.120
consultation that we have um and I would

03:16:55.200 --> 03:16:57.120
emphasize to councils that in supporting

03:16:57.200 --> 03:16:59.639
this what you are actually supporting uh

03:16:59.719 --> 03:17:01.879
is a fixed term so it will allow for

03:17:01.959 --> 03:17:04.079
consideration by Council of the first 12

03:17:04.159 --> 03:17:07.159
months uh project implementation before

03:17:07.239 --> 03:17:08.840
committing to an ongoing permanent

03:17:08.920 --> 03:17:10.440
resourcing uh

03:17:10.520 --> 03:17:12.680
allocation uh based on the estimated

03:17:12.760 --> 03:17:14.440
timelines this will be addressed through

03:17:14.520 --> 03:17:16.559
the report uh recommended to be brought

03:17:16.639 --> 03:17:18.799
back to Council in May

03:17:18.879 --> 03:17:21.959
2025 so we are looking at a period of

03:17:22.040 --> 03:17:23.959
time here to see what we can deliver for

03:17:24.040 --> 03:17:26.520
the community uh and that we have also

03:17:26.600 --> 03:17:28.799
involved internal stakeholders as well

03:17:28.879 --> 03:17:30.959
such as our parks and foreshore

03:17:31.040 --> 03:17:34.399
teams um and I want to really emphasize

03:17:34.479 --> 03:17:38.200
to councilors that this is uh a new way

03:17:38.280 --> 03:17:41.520
in which the organization and councilors

03:17:41.600 --> 03:17:44.159
uh can engage age and be driven in their

03:17:44.239 --> 03:17:47.600
roles when it comes to delivery uh

03:17:47.680 --> 03:17:49.360
because quite often a resident might

03:17:49.440 --> 03:17:51.120
reach out to you on your Instagram or in

03:17:51.200 --> 03:17:53.079
your Facebook uh and say hey I've just

03:17:53.159 --> 03:17:55.360
noticed this could you uh raise an issue

03:17:55.440 --> 03:17:57.920
could you provide some feedback on this

03:17:58.000 --> 03:18:00.600
Etc uh and all of those sort of

03:18:00.680 --> 03:18:02.360
processes for consultation they might

03:18:02.440 --> 03:18:05.120
not be your ordinary one uh but they are

03:18:05.200 --> 03:18:06.959
critically important particularly as

03:18:07.040 --> 03:18:09.200
changes occur within our society and the

03:18:09.280 --> 03:18:12.399
way people reach out uh and I know years

03:18:12.479 --> 03:18:15.799
ago we used to get a whole chamber

03:18:15.879 --> 03:18:18.239
packed until this time some nights uh

03:18:18.319 --> 03:18:20.760
and I thank everyone who still shows up

03:18:20.840 --> 03:18:23.200
uh because it is a commitment um out of

03:18:23.280 --> 03:18:25.319
your week and out of your month to come

03:18:25.399 --> 03:18:27.200
along and it's good to have people

03:18:27.280 --> 03:18:29.280
physically here uh but to never

03:18:29.360 --> 03:18:31.000
underestimate the power of people

03:18:31.079 --> 03:18:32.639
actually sharing content online and

03:18:32.719 --> 03:18:34.719
engaging proactively on Facebook to

03:18:34.799 --> 03:18:36.719
engage with their communities as well

03:18:36.799 --> 03:18:37.959
because there's a lot of people out

03:18:38.040 --> 03:18:40.120
there thank you thank you very much

03:18:40.200 --> 03:18:43.280
councilor Eden councilor Beasley

03:18:43.360 --> 03:18:44.959
thank you any other councilors wishing

03:18:45.040 --> 03:18:48.239
to uh discuss this item councilor Eden

03:18:48.319 --> 03:18:50.680
do you wish to close thank you I'll put

03:18:50.760 --> 03:18:53.000
this item to the vote all those in

03:18:53.079 --> 03:18:55.399
favour that's carried unanimously thank

03:18:55.479 --> 03:18:59.239
you very much councilors item 10.6 is

03:18:59.319 --> 03:19:01.959
our quarterly advocacy

03:19:02.040 --> 03:19:04.799
update councilors do we have a motion

03:19:04.879 --> 03:19:07.680
councilor stacos councilor Hill thank

03:19:07.760 --> 03:19:08.920
you councilor

03:19:09.000 --> 03:19:14.040
stos your reserve councilor Hill

03:19:15.239 --> 03:19:17.280
yeah thank you mayor jdb look there's a

03:19:17.360 --> 03:19:19.239
number of initiatives that have taken

03:19:19.319 --> 03:19:20.840
place advocacy initiatives that are

03:19:20.920 --> 03:19:22.920
taking place that are spelled out in

03:19:23.000 --> 03:19:24.680
this report I was just going to quickly

03:19:24.760 --> 03:19:29.000
speak to the um annual MP's breakfast um

03:19:29.079 --> 03:19:32.000
that we hosted um and I just thought I'd

03:19:32.079 --> 03:19:35.639
mention it only because um councilor Sab

03:19:35.719 --> 03:19:38.600
who was uh uh hosting the meeting as

03:19:38.680 --> 03:19:41.719
mayor um did a fantastic job as did our

03:19:41.799 --> 03:19:43.440
office off and there was like a pivot

03:19:43.520 --> 03:19:47.600
point I felt that it was very um um

03:19:47.680 --> 03:19:49.399
consultative I suppose in the way that

03:19:49.479 --> 03:19:52.440
we presented the information but then um

03:19:52.520 --> 03:19:55.319
MPS and I I should sort of also thank

03:19:55.399 --> 03:19:59.159
the MPS who attended um which was uh Tim

03:19:59.239 --> 03:20:02.200
Richardson Nick stacos Brad Rosell uh

03:20:02.280 --> 03:20:05.959
Rachel Payne and uh H menac um so thank

03:20:06.040 --> 03:20:08.239
you to all of them for for being present

03:20:08.319 --> 03:20:11.920
at the meeting but um yeah like the

03:20:12.000 --> 03:20:13.680
feedback that we received at the meeting

03:20:13.760 --> 03:20:16.159
was you know like there might be ways

03:20:16.239 --> 03:20:18.200
around that it's this is problematic for

03:20:18.280 --> 03:20:20.840
me to maybe present but if I presented

03:20:20.920 --> 03:20:23.360
it this way you know in two parts or

03:20:23.440 --> 03:20:25.360
something then you know that might be a

03:20:25.440 --> 03:20:27.319
better way for me to seek the funding

03:20:27.399 --> 03:20:29.799
that that you're asking for so I thought

03:20:29.879 --> 03:20:31.600
that was really good and I think it's

03:20:31.680 --> 03:20:33.399
sort of a a bit of a shift in the way

03:20:33.479 --> 03:20:35.520
that we're looking at our abic SE as

03:20:35.600 --> 03:20:37.079
well in terms of you know really

03:20:37.159 --> 03:20:41.200
listening to um uh you know other

03:20:41.280 --> 03:20:43.840
members of govern government uh and what

03:20:43.920 --> 03:20:46.319
what I guess will most likely get a

03:20:46.399 --> 03:20:48.600
positive outcome at the end of the day

03:20:48.680 --> 03:20:50.360
um that's what I S

03:20:50.440 --> 03:20:54.639
certainly um uh observed at the at this

03:20:54.719 --> 03:20:57.040
year's uh breakfast and I I think that

03:20:57.120 --> 03:20:59.399
was really positive um as I say there's

03:20:59.479 --> 03:21:01.239
other things that I could go into but we

03:21:01.319 --> 03:21:03.879
are now just shy of 10:30 so I leave it

03:21:03.959 --> 03:21:06.280
thank you councilor Hill appreciate your

03:21:06.360 --> 03:21:07.440
comments councilor is there any

03:21:07.520 --> 03:21:09.520
objections to this

03:21:09.600 --> 03:21:12.040
matter if not I might ask that we put

03:21:12.120 --> 03:21:13.680
the matter to the vote unless there's

03:21:13.760 --> 03:21:15.959
any further comments required councel St

03:21:16.040 --> 03:21:18.159
you don't wish to close no councilors

03:21:18.239 --> 03:21:19.600
I'll ask all those in favour to please

03:21:19.680 --> 03:21:20.799
raise your

03:21:20.879 --> 03:21:23.600
hand thank you that is carried

03:21:23.680 --> 03:21:26.120
unanimously councilors the next item is

03:21:26.200 --> 03:21:28.399
11.1 and that's the proposed leas for

03:21:28.479 --> 03:21:30.399
the Chelsea Yacht

03:21:30.479 --> 03:21:32.760
Club Council Oxley you'd like to move

03:21:32.840 --> 03:21:34.360
the recommendation on the screen thank

03:21:34.440 --> 03:21:36.680
you councilor s you'd like to Second

03:21:36.760 --> 03:21:39.159
councilor

03:21:39.440 --> 03:21:42.079
Oxley thank you just briefly this has

03:21:42.159 --> 03:21:44.000
undergone a significant amount of

03:21:44.079 --> 03:21:45.879
community consultation and consultation

03:21:45.959 --> 03:21:48.639
with the club um we even in in order to

03:21:48.719 --> 03:21:51.280
try to resolve um a couple of issues

03:21:51.360 --> 03:21:54.000
that arose a number of years ago we

03:21:54.079 --> 03:21:55.680
initiated a trial to try and resolve

03:21:55.760 --> 03:21:57.600
some of those car parking issues and

03:21:57.680 --> 03:21:59.600
that was very well managed by the

03:21:59.680 --> 03:22:02.040
property team and the um enforcement

03:22:02.120 --> 03:22:04.680
team in terms of the car parking there

03:22:04.760 --> 03:22:06.520
um the the property team have gone

03:22:06.600 --> 03:22:08.040
through what I know has been a

03:22:08.120 --> 03:22:09.879
significant process over a number of

03:22:09.959 --> 03:22:11.799
years to achieve something that I think

03:22:11.879 --> 03:22:14.239
think is is very much a compromise in

03:22:14.319 --> 03:22:16.360
terms of the car parking but also making

03:22:16.440 --> 03:22:17.879
sure that we're able to get a lease

03:22:17.959 --> 03:22:19.719
through that the club themselves are

03:22:19.799 --> 03:22:21.559
happy with so I know there's been a lot

03:22:21.639 --> 03:22:23.280
of work that's gone into this and would

03:22:23.360 --> 03:22:25.479
just thank everyone involved um

03:22:25.559 --> 03:22:26.760
particularly the officers and those at

03:22:26.840 --> 03:22:28.680
the Yacht Club themselves thank you

03:22:28.760 --> 03:22:30.159
thank you very much councilor Oxley

03:22:30.239 --> 03:22:32.120
councilor

03:22:32.200 --> 03:22:36.000
sa thank you madam mayor um just to

03:22:36.079 --> 03:22:37.559
confirm I guess with the council's

03:22:37.639 --> 03:22:40.200
present that um I had reached out to

03:22:40.280 --> 03:22:43.120
Steven Fulon Hower who is the uh

03:22:43.200 --> 03:22:46.000
president of the Chelsea yach Club um

03:22:46.079 --> 03:22:48.040
who has expressed his support as well

03:22:48.120 --> 03:22:49.239
for where we've gotten to with this

03:22:49.319 --> 03:22:51.399
particular item so I just wanted to um

03:22:51.479 --> 03:22:53.559
firstly I guess thank the officers for

03:22:53.639 --> 03:22:55.479
um getting us to this particular point I

03:22:55.559 --> 03:22:57.200
know there's it's been a very extensive

03:22:57.280 --> 03:22:58.120
process especially with the

03:22:58.200 --> 03:23:00.000
conversations with Leasing and I do

03:23:00.079 --> 03:23:02.360
recall even around this time last year

03:23:02.440 --> 03:23:04.079
actually being at the Yacht Club talking

03:23:04.159 --> 03:23:07.600
about this lease um this lease uh so I'm

03:23:07.680 --> 03:23:09.840
glad we've landed where we've landed as

03:23:09.920 --> 03:23:11.000
Council obiously mentioned there's been

03:23:11.079 --> 03:23:12.799
years of discussions over other

03:23:12.879 --> 03:23:15.479
particular items of of interest in um

03:23:15.559 --> 03:23:16.920
that space around the car parking around

03:23:17.000 --> 03:23:18.959
all the other other issues um that we've

03:23:19.040 --> 03:23:21.200
worked through over the years um but I'm

03:23:21.280 --> 03:23:22.879
I'm glad that we've got the support of

03:23:22.959 --> 03:23:24.719
the yach club our primary tenant in the

03:23:24.799 --> 03:23:27.120
space um who have done a fantastic job

03:23:27.200 --> 03:23:29.440
in trying to engage with the community

03:23:29.520 --> 03:23:32.280
um I I happen to be there at the launch

03:23:32.360 --> 03:23:36.399
of um their season um and they spoke to

03:23:36.479 --> 03:23:38.319
a whole range of different things that

03:23:38.399 --> 03:23:40.479
they're doing with Community groups and

03:23:40.559 --> 03:23:42.600
trying to use the space more widely

03:23:42.680 --> 03:23:44.159
that's something that I'm really really

03:23:44.239 --> 03:23:46.000
happy to hear about and really happy to

03:23:46.079 --> 03:23:48.840
see that they are doing um and I just

03:23:48.920 --> 03:23:50.360
wanted to thank them as well for their

03:23:50.440 --> 03:23:51.959
their efforts in in in continuing to

03:23:52.040 --> 03:23:54.159
engage with the community thank you

03:23:54.239 --> 03:23:56.520
thank you very much councilor Sab uh

03:23:56.600 --> 03:23:58.920
councilor any objections to this

03:23:59.000 --> 03:24:01.000
item thank you councilor Eden your

03:24:01.079 --> 03:24:03.760
question uh thank you just if I may uh

03:24:03.840 --> 03:24:09.959
on page 1266 uh 16.2 point2 uh referring

03:24:10.040 --> 03:24:11.920
to working with children check it says

03:24:12.000 --> 03:24:13.920
ensure that any employee contractor or

03:24:14.000 --> 03:24:16.920
agent uh does not hold a valid check uh

03:24:17.000 --> 03:24:18.600
does not hold a valid check does not

03:24:18.680 --> 03:24:21.799
enter the premises uh just reading that

03:24:21.879 --> 03:24:24.040
could officers confirm would that be

03:24:24.120 --> 03:24:25.559
intended whether there are children on

03:24:25.639 --> 03:24:29.040
the premises or not or if that's a

03:24:29.120 --> 03:24:31.680
blanket just uh not having anyone

03:24:31.760 --> 03:24:33.239
without a working with children on the

03:24:33.319 --> 03:24:36.760
premises for works or

03:24:37.760 --> 03:24:39.399
contractors thank you very much

03:24:39.479 --> 03:24:40.479
councilor

03:24:40.559 --> 03:24:43.040
Eden thank

03:24:43.120 --> 03:24:45.840
you um thank you and through you may I

03:24:45.920 --> 03:24:47.399
believe that's the intention of the the

03:24:47.479 --> 03:24:49.120
way that's drafted so it's it's at all

03:24:49.200 --> 03:24:51.520
times

03:24:52.159 --> 03:24:54.319
work thank you very much council aeden

03:24:54.399 --> 03:24:56.200
do you wish to speak to the item no

03:24:56.280 --> 03:24:58.319
thank you Council oxy would you like to

03:24:58.399 --> 03:25:00.440
close thank you Council as I'll put this

03:25:00.520 --> 03:25:02.920
item to the vote all those in

03:25:03.000 --> 03:25:06.079
favour thank you that's carried

03:25:06.159 --> 03:25:10.319
unanimously item 11.2 the uh lease and

03:25:10.399 --> 03:25:13.280
license policy Council thank you Council

03:25:13.360 --> 03:25:16.920
Staikos um I'd like to move that we defer

03:25:17.000 --> 03:25:20.760
this uh matter until the January

03:25:20.840 --> 03:25:25.079
ordinary council meeting please thank

03:25:25.799 --> 03:25:28.360
you councils do we have a seconder for

03:25:28.440 --> 03:25:31.840
the deferral thank you councilor

03:25:32.639 --> 03:25:34.680
Bearsley councilor stos would you like to

03:25:34.760 --> 03:25:38.079
speak to this item thank you um

03:25:38.159 --> 03:25:40.680
councilors were briefed on this item a

03:25:40.760 --> 03:25:42.799
couple of weeks ago and uh I think we

03:25:42.879 --> 03:25:45.360
need a little bit more time to consider

03:25:45.440 --> 03:25:47.920
the implications I was considering

03:25:48.000 --> 03:25:52.159
moving a an amendment um but I'd like to

03:25:52.239 --> 03:25:53.799
understand the implications of the

03:25:53.879 --> 03:25:56.520
amendment prior to actually considering

03:25:56.600 --> 03:26:00.000
the report and adopting it tonight so um

03:26:00.079 --> 03:26:01.440
that's why I think we a little bit of

03:26:01.520 --> 03:26:04.600
extra time um would would help thank you

03:26:04.680 --> 03:26:07.920
thank you councilor Staikos councilor

03:26:08.000 --> 03:26:12.000
Bearsley thank you councilors are there

03:26:12.079 --> 03:26:16.000
any objections to the

03:26:17.559 --> 03:26:19.920
deferral Council us if there are no

03:26:20.000 --> 03:26:21.479
objections to deferral I don't believe

03:26:21.559 --> 03:26:24.360
councilor St um speak any further thinkk

03:26:24.440 --> 03:26:26.239
you'll put this item to the vote on the

03:26:26.319 --> 03:26:28.079
deferral all those in

03:26:28.159 --> 03:26:30.559
favour thank you I declare that carried

03:26:30.639 --> 03:26:33.000
we will defer that

03:26:33.079 --> 03:26:35.120
item thank you councilors we're now

03:26:35.200 --> 03:26:39.280
moving to notices of motion 12.1 is um

03:26:39.360 --> 03:26:40.840
notice of motion councel position

03:26:40.920 --> 03:26:42.479
description and key performance

03:26:42.559 --> 03:26:45.760
indicators uh thank you mayor Davey

03:26:45.840 --> 03:26:48.280
Burns I would like to also defer this

03:26:48.360 --> 03:26:51.360
item um simply because of the hour and

03:26:51.440 --> 03:26:54.840
I'm not feeling the best sorar so I will

03:26:54.920 --> 03:26:57.840
defer this for consideration um to the

03:26:57.920 --> 03:27:03.079
January meeting if if I'm supported by

03:27:04.280 --> 03:27:06.639
my thank you I can see councilor basley

03:27:06.719 --> 03:27:07.760
is

03:27:07.840 --> 03:27:10.840
seconding councilors can I ask for uh a

03:27:10.920 --> 03:27:14.520
show of for those in favour for the

03:27:15.159 --> 03:27:18.600
deferral all those

03:27:18.680 --> 03:27:21.239
against thank you I declare that carried

03:27:21.319 --> 03:27:22.799
that item is deferred to the January

03:27:22.879 --> 03:27:26.520
ordinary council meeting thank

03:27:28.120 --> 03:27:31.360
you the next item is 12.2 notice of

03:27:31.440 --> 03:27:33.239
motion councilor Eden councilor

03:27:33.319 --> 03:27:34.840
Declarations of

03:27:34.920 --> 03:27:38.280
Don Eden yes thank you I'll just move

03:27:38.360 --> 03:27:40.079
that the following that is that council

03:27:40.159 --> 03:27:42.200
is be asked by the CEO to complete a

03:27:42.280 --> 03:27:45.079
statutory declaration declaring all uh

03:27:45.159 --> 03:27:47.079
donations that they received at or in

03:27:47.159 --> 03:27:49.799
connection to the 2020 council

03:27:49.879 --> 03:27:52.120
elections uh and I'll also just amend

03:27:52.200 --> 03:27:54.319
that after the full stop and since then

03:27:54.399 --> 03:27:55.280
if I

03:27:55.360 --> 03:27:57.520
may thank you councilor Eden do we have

03:27:57.600 --> 03:27:58.520
a

03:27:58.600 --> 03:28:01.319
seconder councel

03:28:01.399 --> 03:28:04.319
Oxley uh thank you uh for the

03:28:04.399 --> 03:28:07.239
opportunity to speak to this item I know

03:28:07.319 --> 03:28:10.559
a similar uh item had come to council a

03:28:10.639 --> 03:28:14.600
number of years ago and was defeated uh

03:28:14.680 --> 03:28:17.520
since then we've seen just the power

03:28:17.600 --> 03:28:20.079
that donations can have over a

03:28:20.159 --> 03:28:23.399
council uh the power in which uh

03:28:23.479 --> 03:28:26.520
individuals outside of a council can

03:28:26.600 --> 03:28:30.680
control uh and Puppeteer outcomes on a

03:28:30.760 --> 03:28:33.280
council I think as a council we talked

03:28:33.360 --> 03:28:35.520
tonight about operation sandon and we

03:28:35.600 --> 03:28:38.399
talk about sitting here discussing items

03:28:38.479 --> 03:28:42.360
and removing on block uh motion

03:28:42.440 --> 03:28:44.680
because councilors believe that that is

03:28:44.760 --> 03:28:45.440
more

03:28:45.520 --> 03:28:49.079
transparent um but in many instances I

03:28:49.159 --> 03:28:50.520
think as a council you need to look at

03:28:50.600 --> 03:28:53.520
what the driving factors or forces may

03:28:53.600 --> 03:28:57.239
be that cause some of these issues to

03:28:57.319 --> 03:29:01.520
begin with I think it's a very simple

03:29:01.600 --> 03:29:05.360
request it's not cumbersome on

03:29:05.440 --> 03:29:08.440
officers it's not going to take

03:29:08.520 --> 03:29:11.440
officers tens and tens of hours to put

03:29:11.520 --> 03:29:12.840
together a

03:29:12.920 --> 03:29:15.479
report it would be a templated document

03:29:15.559 --> 03:29:18.239
that basically just asks councilors to

03:29:18.319 --> 03:29:21.239
in a cohesive manner facilitated through

03:29:21.319 --> 03:29:21.920
the

03:29:22.000 --> 03:29:25.200
CEO uh to just detail what donations

03:29:25.280 --> 03:29:27.440
that they may have received uh since

03:29:27.520 --> 03:29:29.959
then because I think this will set a

03:29:30.040 --> 03:29:32.879
very good precedent going into another

03:29:32.959 --> 03:29:35.120
Council election to say that it is

03:29:35.200 --> 03:29:37.319
important to have

03:29:37.399 --> 03:29:40.040
transparency uh it is important for

03:29:40.120 --> 03:29:42.120
people to know

03:29:42.200 --> 03:29:46.280
uh who is influencing their

03:29:46.360 --> 03:29:50.040
Council and it's sometimes a bit

03:29:50.120 --> 03:29:52.600
concerning when you speak to somebody

03:29:52.680 --> 03:29:54.520
maybe a councilor at another

03:29:54.600 --> 03:29:57.479
Council uh and they say oh did you know

03:29:57.559 --> 03:29:59.399
that a councilor actually was backed in

03:29:59.479 --> 03:30:02.639
by this person or by that person or by a

03:30:02.719 --> 03:30:05.559
political party uh and a former

03:30:05.639 --> 03:30:08.040
councilor was instrumental in that and

03:30:08.120 --> 03:30:10.600
they seem to know a lot they seem to

03:30:10.680 --> 03:30:13.959
know a lot about what some people uh had

03:30:14.040 --> 03:30:17.159
been involved in um and I think just

03:30:17.239 --> 03:30:19.680
really being transparent and clear uh in

03:30:19.760 --> 03:30:21.920
that with our community because there's

03:30:22.000 --> 03:30:25.239
nothing wrong with donations when people

03:30:25.319 --> 03:30:28.079
dis uh when people disclose them people

03:30:28.159 --> 03:30:30.280
are clear and they go I received you

03:30:30.360 --> 03:30:32.959
know hypothetically someone receives uh

03:30:33.040 --> 03:30:35.760
in a scenario $100,000 for their Federal

03:30:35.840 --> 03:30:37.360
campaign and they say this is where the

03:30:37.440 --> 03:30:40.399
money came from people know then who's

03:30:40.479 --> 03:30:43.040
backing them who's supporting them at a

03:30:43.120 --> 03:30:45.239
council election if your local developer

03:30:45.319 --> 03:30:48.959
turns around and says here's

03:30:49.040 --> 03:30:51.000
$100,000 oh but by the way it's going to

03:30:51.079 --> 03:30:53.879
come from 99 family relatives all split

03:30:53.959 --> 03:30:56.959
up into small amounts there's probably a

03:30:57.040 --> 03:30:59.600
concern and I think just as a bit of a

03:30:59.680 --> 03:31:01.479
reminder to councilors that this is

03:31:01.559 --> 03:31:03.319
something we should lead on we should go

03:31:03.399 --> 03:31:06.479
to our community and say this is what

03:31:06.559 --> 03:31:09.000
this Council believes is right this is

03:31:09.079 --> 03:31:11.600
what this Council believes is

03:31:11.680 --> 03:31:13.440
transparent uh because there's nothing

03:31:13.520 --> 03:31:15.639
wrong as I've said if people want to

03:31:15.719 --> 03:31:17.719
facilitate Community fundraising if they

03:31:17.799 --> 03:31:19.879
want to be part of collective efforts if

03:31:19.959 --> 03:31:22.399
they're part of endorsed green

03:31:22.479 --> 03:31:24.280
candidates and they get backed in and

03:31:24.360 --> 03:31:27.079
supported by their political parties

03:31:27.159 --> 03:31:29.719
that is uh legitimate if it's done in

03:31:29.799 --> 03:31:31.479
accordance with the

03:31:31.559 --> 03:31:34.000
requirements but I think when people go

03:31:34.079 --> 03:31:36.639
to ibac or they go to the inspectorate

03:31:36.719 --> 03:31:38.559
because they hear from their neighbors

03:31:38.639 --> 03:31:40.399
they say oh a neighbor overheard that

03:31:40.479 --> 03:31:42.040
person saying that councilor was backed

03:31:42.120 --> 03:31:44.959
in by this political party and you know

03:31:45.040 --> 03:31:48.159
$1,000 or 2,000 or this person organized

03:31:48.239 --> 03:31:50.479
their printing or this former councilor

03:31:50.559 --> 03:31:52.479
had been their campaign manager and

03:31:52.559 --> 03:31:54.079
funded everything on the condition they

03:31:54.159 --> 03:31:56.639
ran to get rid of somebody those types

03:31:56.719 --> 03:32:00.200
of comments are concerning and I think

03:32:00.280 --> 03:32:02.600
for us just to be really clear with the

03:32:02.680 --> 03:32:03.959
community that as councilors we're going

03:32:04.040 --> 03:32:06.360
to lead in that space and set an example

03:32:06.440 --> 03:32:08.239
for the next Council I think would be

03:32:08.319 --> 03:32:12.559
great I know that councilors and say but

03:32:12.639 --> 03:32:15.120
what's done is done well operation

03:32:15.200 --> 03:32:17.000
sandon's an example of what done isn't

03:32:17.079 --> 03:32:18.200
done isn't

03:32:18.280 --> 03:32:21.760
done it lingers it can uh cause issues

03:32:21.840 --> 03:32:23.959
and it can be uh reviewed so I would

03:32:24.040 --> 03:32:25.639
endorse to council this it's a very

03:32:25.719 --> 03:32:27.799
straightforward process I know one

03:32:27.879 --> 03:32:29.200
councilor's already said it's easy for

03:32:29.280 --> 03:32:31.600
me I didn't receive anything great uh

03:32:31.680 --> 03:32:33.440
it's really easy for a number of people

03:32:33.520 --> 03:32:35.479
if not everyone to quickly fill in a

03:32:35.559 --> 03:32:37.399
form spend a minute here it is we're

03:32:37.479 --> 03:32:39.559
done and we've set an example for a

03:32:39.639 --> 03:32:41.799
future Council thank

03:32:41.879 --> 03:32:44.360
you Council

03:32:44.440 --> 03:32:46.920
Oxley Reserve any other councilor

03:32:47.000 --> 03:32:48.799
wishing to discuss this

03:32:48.879 --> 03:32:51.159
item councilor

03:32:51.239 --> 03:32:53.639
Beasley yeah I think councilor Eden was

03:32:53.719 --> 03:32:55.559
referring to me well I did receive a lot

03:32:55.639 --> 03:32:58.319
but it comes straight from the Dual bank

03:32:58.399 --> 03:33:01.639
account of myself and my husband

03:33:01.719 --> 03:33:05.440
um I have no issue with going forward

03:33:05.520 --> 03:33:08.440
having some other

03:33:08.520 --> 03:33:11.280
um um

03:33:11.360 --> 03:33:12.680
something like this is happening for the

03:33:12.760 --> 03:33:14.959
next election I I but I think people

03:33:15.040 --> 03:33:17.200
going into it need to know that um

03:33:17.280 --> 03:33:20.559
there's good reason why there's a $500

03:33:20.639 --> 03:33:21.920
you know you you have to declare

03:33:22.000 --> 03:33:24.680
anything over $500 I think that makes

03:33:24.760 --> 03:33:26.799
perfect sense and everyone can do that I

03:33:26.879 --> 03:33:28.879
think even going back to

03:33:28.959 --> 03:33:31.600
2020 probably most councilors have kept

03:33:31.680 --> 03:33:33.920
their records um but I think we'd also

03:33:34.000 --> 03:33:35.719
be running into that that you have to

03:33:35.799 --> 03:33:39.280
declare it's a stat declaration um and

03:33:39.360 --> 03:33:42.120
at this point it's you know it's a a

03:33:42.200 --> 03:33:45.600
good three four years on so I think

03:33:45.680 --> 03:33:48.200
though I I I understand where councilor

03:33:48.280 --> 03:33:50.879
Eden is going I'm not willing to support

03:33:50.959 --> 03:33:53.879
it for this um but I I don't have a

03:33:53.959 --> 03:33:56.239
problem with supporting something like

03:33:56.319 --> 03:33:59.520
that for a a future election um just it

03:33:59.600 --> 03:34:02.959
would really need to be that something

03:34:03.040 --> 03:34:05.200
that everyone knew as a candidate as

03:34:05.280 --> 03:34:06.600
they were going in that they had to

03:34:06.680 --> 03:34:08.760
declare everything including a coffee

03:34:08.840 --> 03:34:10.760
you know that I think that's where we

03:34:10.840 --> 03:34:12.520
what's the limit what are we going to do

03:34:12.600 --> 03:34:15.000
if someone sits down and and and offers

03:34:15.079 --> 03:34:19.000
you a coffee um and it's at their home

03:34:19.079 --> 03:34:20.760
are you writing that down because then I

03:34:20.840 --> 03:34:22.600
just think that's the level that this is

03:34:22.680 --> 03:34:25.079
really going to and I think you have to

03:34:25.159 --> 03:34:27.079
pre-warn people that that is what you'd

03:34:27.159 --> 03:34:29.120
be expecting or again you'd have to come

03:34:29.200 --> 03:34:31.239
up with rules which is why they came up

03:34:31.319 --> 03:34:33.840
with the $500 one cuz they went at that

03:34:33.920 --> 03:34:36.479
point you need you need people to know

03:34:36.559 --> 03:34:40.719
that you got $500 from someone um so you

03:34:40.799 --> 03:34:42.520
know I I get where this is going we want

03:34:42.600 --> 03:34:44.440
we want good transparency but we've got

03:34:44.520 --> 03:34:47.000
to be able to make sure that the record

03:34:47.079 --> 03:34:48.719
keeping is possible as well so I won't

03:34:48.799 --> 03:34:50.559
be supporting this tonight but as I said

03:34:50.639 --> 03:34:52.440
you know it doesn't bother me too much

03:34:52.520 --> 03:34:54.559
if we we do it in the future but we

03:34:54.639 --> 03:34:56.879
really have to do the heads up early on

03:34:56.959 --> 03:34:58.520
so everyone's keeping those records

03:34:58.600 --> 03:35:00.399
including the coffee at a person's house

03:35:00.479 --> 03:35:01.079
thank

03:35:01.159 --> 03:35:04.399
you thank you councilor Beasley councel

03:35:04.479 --> 03:35:07.239
Cochran just to be super mindful of time

03:35:07.319 --> 03:35:09.399
I completely agree with councel Beasley

03:35:09.479 --> 03:35:11.440
so take everything she said put it out

03:35:11.520 --> 03:35:13.799
of my mouth cuz I couldn't agree more I

03:35:13.879 --> 03:35:16.280
am supportive at a future date um but

03:35:16.360 --> 03:35:18.200
being a stat declaration we could run

03:35:18.280 --> 03:35:20.600
into troubles with uh councilors

03:35:20.680 --> 03:35:22.440
potentially missing something finding

03:35:22.520 --> 03:35:25.159
themselves in trouble but for the future

03:35:25.239 --> 03:35:27.920
absolutely supportive but not tonight

03:35:28.000 --> 03:35:29.639
thank you very much councilor Cochran

03:35:29.719 --> 03:35:31.399
any other councilors wishing to debate

03:35:31.479 --> 03:35:34.399
this item councilor

03:35:34.479 --> 03:35:36.719
Oxley thank you and just to be clear

03:35:36.799 --> 03:35:40.040
we've had this um come to us before and

03:35:40.120 --> 03:35:42.079
council is didn't support it then either

03:35:42.159 --> 03:35:43.920
and that was at a point where it was uh

03:35:44.000 --> 03:35:46.120
I think potentially 6 months after a

03:35:46.200 --> 03:35:49.879
council election um where I'm I'm sort

03:35:49.959 --> 03:35:52.799
of going with this is I can recall the

03:35:52.879 --> 03:35:55.920
donations that I received because there

03:35:56.000 --> 03:35:58.680
weren't any I fully funded my own

03:35:58.760 --> 03:36:01.840
campaign and it was very easy for me to

03:36:01.920 --> 03:36:03.840
fill in a a statutary declaration to do

03:36:03.920 --> 03:36:05.959
that if I needed to do so was requested

03:36:06.040 --> 03:36:08.760
of me my community asked where was I

03:36:08.840 --> 03:36:10.239
being funded from and I answered that

03:36:10.319 --> 03:36:12.559
question during the election this

03:36:12.639 --> 03:36:15.719
shouldn't be hard it it really should

03:36:15.799 --> 03:36:18.079
not be hard and I think it's important

03:36:18.159 --> 03:36:20.319
for the simple fact that the community

03:36:20.399 --> 03:36:23.680
deserve to know if their councilors have

03:36:23.760 --> 03:36:26.040
other interests and I'm not saying that

03:36:26.120 --> 03:36:28.000
those interests are nefarious or

03:36:28.079 --> 03:36:30.159
anything along those lines at all but

03:36:30.239 --> 03:36:32.840
the community deserve to know if there

03:36:32.920 --> 03:36:37.479
are other interests outside of them

03:36:37.559 --> 03:36:39.040
because that is fundamentally who we are

03:36:39.120 --> 03:36:41.719
here for is our community Community

03:36:41.799 --> 03:36:43.399
councilors may turn around and say they

03:36:43.479 --> 03:36:45.879
receive donations from community members

03:36:45.959 --> 03:36:47.520
so be

03:36:47.600 --> 03:36:50.479
it this isn't trying to paint donations

03:36:50.559 --> 03:36:53.000
in a negative light what it is trying to

03:36:53.079 --> 03:36:55.559
do is bring that transparency to the

03:36:55.639 --> 03:36:59.440
Forefront so that our community

03:36:59.520 --> 03:37:01.559
know I personally don't have an issue

03:37:01.639 --> 03:37:03.920
with that I'm able to do that that's

03:37:04.000 --> 03:37:05.479
something very easy for me to do and

03:37:05.559 --> 03:37:07.479
should be something very easy for all 10

03:37:07.559 --> 03:37:08.920
other councilors to

03:37:09.000 --> 03:37:12.959
do but the Community deserve to know

03:37:13.040 --> 03:37:14.959
they deserved to know when it first came

03:37:15.040 --> 03:37:17.840
to council they deserve to know now in

03:37:17.920 --> 03:37:19.559
the leadup to another Council

03:37:19.639 --> 03:37:22.200
election and they deserve to know when a

03:37:22.280 --> 03:37:24.200
new Council group comes into this

03:37:24.280 --> 03:37:26.159
chamber and makes decisions on behalf of

03:37:26.239 --> 03:37:28.319
the 163 and a half thousand residents we

03:37:28.399 --> 03:37:29.479
have in the city of

03:37:29.559 --> 03:37:33.040
Kingston they deserve to know and that

03:37:33.120 --> 03:37:35.000
is what I keep coming back to in every

03:37:35.079 --> 03:37:36.600
single decision that we

03:37:36.680 --> 03:37:38.719
make where we can ensure that the

03:37:38.799 --> 03:37:40.799
community have more information know

03:37:40.879 --> 03:37:42.399
more about their councilors know more

03:37:42.479 --> 03:37:43.920
about the decisions that we make on

03:37:44.000 --> 03:37:44.959
behalf of

03:37:45.040 --> 03:37:49.000
them I could not possibly say no to that

03:37:49.079 --> 03:37:50.559
so I will be supporting this motion this

03:37:50.639 --> 03:37:53.239
evening thank you Council Oxley

03:37:53.319 --> 03:37:55.200
councilor Eden would you like to

03:37:55.280 --> 03:37:58.639
close uh yes thank you and like I

03:37:58.719 --> 03:38:00.959
appreciate that some people might have a

03:38:01.040 --> 03:38:03.559
list that they can't remember but I

03:38:03.639 --> 03:38:05.959
think you could also equally respond if

03:38:06.040 --> 03:38:08.680
this motion were passed to the CEO with

03:38:08.760 --> 03:38:11.120
a statutory declaration

03:38:11.200 --> 03:38:13.280
that actually said what you're thinking

03:38:13.360 --> 03:38:15.000
and that could be you received a number

03:38:15.079 --> 03:38:17.120
of donations from people there were $5

03:38:17.200 --> 03:38:18.920
to $10 from a number of people but you

03:38:19.000 --> 03:38:20.680
can't remember who they

03:38:20.760 --> 03:38:24.639
were um or you know paper bags showed up

03:38:24.719 --> 03:38:26.200
on my doorstep I didn't know who they

03:38:26.280 --> 03:38:27.959
were from and I was guessing maybe

03:38:28.040 --> 03:38:31.440
that's a potential response but I think

03:38:31.520 --> 03:38:35.000
for us to seriously say there's a great

03:38:35.079 --> 03:38:36.760
difficulty remembering where money came

03:38:36.840 --> 03:38:39.479
from into people's accounts is probably

03:38:39.559 --> 03:38:41.040
a little bit challenging in you could

03:38:41.120 --> 03:38:42.959
say in a statutory declaration this

03:38:43.040 --> 03:38:44.680
doesn't include small things like coffee

03:38:44.760 --> 03:38:47.040
and tea in people's houses but the

03:38:47.120 --> 03:38:49.719
substantial uh resourcing came from blah

03:38:49.799 --> 03:38:52.200
blah and blah I'll leave it with an

03:38:52.280 --> 03:38:54.920
example of a a community group they turn

03:38:55.000 --> 03:38:57.200
around and I'm not naming a particular

03:38:57.280 --> 03:38:59.040
Club but it's an example that happens

03:38:59.120 --> 03:39:01.200
throughout the state they say we've got

03:39:01.280 --> 03:39:03.280
a building we want a $5 million

03:39:03.360 --> 03:39:06.000
revitalization investment so we've

03:39:06.079 --> 03:39:07.760
written to all of our members and we've

03:39:07.840 --> 03:39:10.440
said to them get behind this candidate

03:39:10.520 --> 03:39:11.959
so they show up one day and they get

03:39:12.040 --> 03:39:14.239
$400 or

03:39:14.319 --> 03:39:18.000
$499 from 50 people now that's a lot of

03:39:18.079 --> 03:39:20.719
money that's a lot of money that

03:39:20.799 --> 03:39:22.799
effectively is coming from the same

03:39:22.879 --> 03:39:27.120
Source or with the same intent in that

03:39:27.200 --> 03:39:29.120
donation yet the councilor doesn't

03:39:29.200 --> 03:39:31.479
disclose any of that they come into a

03:39:31.559 --> 03:39:33.520
meeting and a few years later they turn

03:39:33.600 --> 03:39:35.600
around and they vote that project

03:39:35.680 --> 03:39:38.479
through I don't know if our community or

03:39:38.559 --> 03:39:40.959
other people would think that that is

03:39:41.040 --> 03:39:43.719
corrupt or not corrupt I'd have my view

03:39:43.799 --> 03:39:45.399
on that and I think it would be

03:39:45.479 --> 03:39:47.600
inappropriate but I do believe that

03:39:47.680 --> 03:39:51.239
councilors could make a best attempt at

03:39:51.319 --> 03:39:54.239
trying to particularize things if they

03:39:54.319 --> 03:39:56.920
don't that's up to them they could very

03:39:57.000 --> 03:39:59.000
clearly just provide a response at the

03:39:59.079 --> 03:40:01.159
end of the day this is just an attempt

03:40:01.239 --> 03:40:04.280
to try to lift up uh transparency thank

03:40:04.360 --> 03:40:06.360
you thank you councilor Eden I'll now

03:40:06.440 --> 03:40:09.079
put this item to the vote all those in

03:40:09.159 --> 03:40:13.399
favour thank you all those

03:40:13.479 --> 03:40:17.760
against um for thank you all those

03:40:17.840 --> 03:40:19.520
abstaining thank

03:40:19.600 --> 03:40:22.120
you a division has been requested by

03:40:22.200 --> 03:40:24.040
councilor Eden so I ask again all of

03:40:24.120 --> 03:40:26.639
those in favour to please

03:40:26.719 --> 03:40:29.120
stand just one moment councilors okay

03:40:29.200 --> 03:40:30.319
councilor

03:40:30.399 --> 03:40:33.639
Eden four and councilor

03:40:33.719 --> 03:40:37.559
Oxley all those against please stand

03:40:37.639 --> 03:40:41.120
thank you Council councilor Davies

03:40:41.200 --> 03:40:43.680
councilor

03:40:43.760 --> 03:40:46.000
Hill councilor

03:40:46.079 --> 03:40:49.719
Beasley councilor

03:40:49.799 --> 03:40:52.159
Sab and all those

03:40:52.239 --> 03:40:54.239
abstaining councilor

03:40:54.319 --> 03:40:56.840
stacos councilor

03:40:56.920 --> 03:41:00.040
Cochran mayor Davey

03:41:00.120 --> 03:41:03.440
Burns I declare that

03:41:03.520 --> 03:41:06.600
lost thank you councilors I would like

03:41:06.680 --> 03:41:10.280
to request a second procedural motion to

03:41:10.360 --> 03:41:13.120
extend our meeting time to enable us to

03:41:13.200 --> 03:41:15.239
cover thank you councilor stos I'm

03:41:15.319 --> 03:41:19.719
proposing a 45 minute

03:41:20.200 --> 03:41:23.440
extension do I have a seconder thank you

03:41:23.520 --> 03:41:26.520
councilor Cochran thank you Mr

03:41:26.600 --> 03:41:29.680
councilors all those in

03:41:30.760 --> 03:41:34.399
favour I declare that

03:41:37.200 --> 03:41:39.399
carried councilors we have three

03:41:39.479 --> 03:41:41.200
remaining notices of motion and then one

03:41:41.280 --> 03:41:43.479
contractual matter to resolve so I will

03:41:43.559 --> 03:41:46.879
ask us to move to 12.3 councilor sa page

03:41:46.959 --> 03:41:50.120
master plan all ability

03:41:57.239 --> 03:42:00.200
Sports thank you councilor Sab do I have

03:42:00.280 --> 03:42:03.120
a second up councilor Davies councilor

03:42:03.200 --> 03:42:07.360
Sab thank you Madame mayor um look this

03:42:07.440 --> 03:42:09.639
one's a pretty straightforward one and I

03:42:09.719 --> 03:42:13.000
I I hope is well supported by the um

03:42:13.079 --> 03:42:15.719
councilors this evening um I don't

03:42:15.799 --> 03:42:18.040
imagine actually the the groups uh down

03:42:18.120 --> 03:42:19.920
at leage are still tuning in it is a bit

03:42:20.000 --> 03:42:22.639
late now but if they are still tuning in

03:42:22.719 --> 03:42:23.799
this has come about from a lot of

03:42:23.879 --> 03:42:24.799
feedback that I've had from the

03:42:24.879 --> 03:42:27.440
community down at leage Park um not just

03:42:27.520 --> 03:42:29.000
the sporting clubs but even from

03:42:29.079 --> 03:42:31.120
residents who live in the area um for

03:42:31.200 --> 03:42:32.680
residents who don't even live next to it

03:42:32.760 --> 03:42:35.799
but do attend the page Park School um or

03:42:35.879 --> 03:42:38.319
um the sporting precincts um what this

03:42:38.399 --> 03:42:40.440
notice emotion is calling for

03:42:40.520 --> 03:42:41.799
uh is just that we

03:42:41.879 --> 03:42:44.600
prioritize uh throughout the

03:42:44.680 --> 03:42:46.600
implementation connectivity of foot

03:42:46.680 --> 03:42:48.200
paaths that's been loud and clear from

03:42:48.280 --> 03:42:50.520
my community around leage Park that that

03:42:50.600 --> 03:42:53.000
needs to be prioritized um as well as

03:42:53.079 --> 03:42:54.799
prioritizing the ground allocation so

03:42:54.879 --> 03:42:56.680
that we have a stronger presence of

03:42:56.760 --> 03:42:59.440
existing tenants around um ideally

03:42:59.520 --> 03:43:01.200
trying to create an all abilities League

03:43:01.280 --> 03:43:04.559
of sports um we see the tennis club the

03:43:04.639 --> 03:43:06.559
page tennis club actually has all abil's

03:43:06.639 --> 03:43:09.120
tennis training and teams um they've had

03:43:09.200 --> 03:43:10.399
for a number of years and I know we're

03:43:10.479 --> 03:43:11.760
moving in that direction of trying to

03:43:11.840 --> 03:43:14.079
support that that club um with a new

03:43:14.159 --> 03:43:17.040
Pavilion and new courts um and we know

03:43:17.120 --> 03:43:19.399
now that the leage football club the

03:43:19.479 --> 03:43:21.799
chelham junior football club cheltam

03:43:21.879 --> 03:43:25.639
leage chelam club sorry um and now in

03:43:25.719 --> 03:43:27.200
the process of actually creating an all

03:43:27.280 --> 03:43:29.520
abilities League after 12 years of age

03:43:29.600 --> 03:43:30.760
that doesn't actually exist at the

03:43:30.840 --> 03:43:33.000
moment in sports there isn't any they

03:43:33.079 --> 03:43:35.280
have to integrate with the other um you

03:43:35.360 --> 03:43:38.360
know leagues um and it does actually

03:43:38.440 --> 03:43:40.440
make it really difficult for

03:43:40.520 --> 03:43:42.760
uh young people with different

03:43:42.840 --> 03:43:44.760
differently abled um to be able to

03:43:44.840 --> 03:43:47.079
participate in the sports they feel not

03:43:47.159 --> 03:43:48.600
really encouraged they don't feel very

03:43:48.680 --> 03:43:50.239
comfortable or confident then they tend

03:43:50.319 --> 03:43:52.719
to drop out of the sports so a concept

03:43:52.799 --> 03:43:54.159
like this is really important so I'm

03:43:54.239 --> 03:43:55.680
calling for us to

03:43:55.760 --> 03:43:58.120
actually uh sign post that that is what

03:43:58.200 --> 03:44:00.120
we're hoping to achieve here at the page

03:44:00.200 --> 03:44:02.559
Park not just that but we're also trying

03:44:02.639 --> 03:44:05.000
to encourage a whole all ability Sports

03:44:05.079 --> 03:44:07.319
Precinct um and that's what I wanted to

03:44:07.399 --> 03:44:08.719
call

03:44:08.799 --> 03:44:12.680
out leage primary school has an above

03:44:12.760 --> 03:44:15.520
State average of all abilities um of

03:44:15.600 --> 03:44:19.200
different abilities uh students it's

03:44:19.280 --> 03:44:20.680
it's actually pretty significant number

03:44:20.760 --> 03:44:22.680
of them who do use the space who do use

03:44:22.760 --> 03:44:25.079
the reserve um and I just really wanted

03:44:25.159 --> 03:44:26.760
to make sure that as a councilor group

03:44:26.840 --> 03:44:28.799
we're recognizing that all ability

03:44:28.879 --> 03:44:30.680
Sports is important that we do want to

03:44:30.760 --> 03:44:32.520
see it Thrive and the place that we want

03:44:32.600 --> 03:44:34.760
to see it Thrive and it can Thrive is at

03:44:34.840 --> 03:44:37.239
leage Park um so that's what I'm hoping

03:44:37.319 --> 03:44:39.319
to achieve with this master uh with this

03:44:39.399 --> 03:44:41.440
uh notice a motion and I hope uh my

03:44:41.520 --> 03:44:42.920
councilor colleagues can support me and

03:44:43.000 --> 03:44:44.159
thank you councilor Davies for

03:44:44.239 --> 03:44:46.280
supporting me in seconding this motion I

03:44:46.360 --> 03:44:48.280
know um Sports is a really important

03:44:48.360 --> 03:44:50.280
thing in in all that you do in community

03:44:50.360 --> 03:44:51.680
Sports is important and I think it's

03:44:51.760 --> 03:44:53.280
just as equally important when we start

03:44:53.360 --> 03:44:55.719
to translate that in the intersection of

03:44:55.799 --> 03:44:57.920
all abilities um and how important it is

03:44:58.000 --> 03:45:00.200
for a healthy lifestyle how important it

03:45:00.280 --> 03:45:02.040
is for growing communities and how

03:45:02.120 --> 03:45:04.719
important it is for families of um

03:45:04.799 --> 03:45:07.000
parents who have kids who have all

03:45:07.079 --> 03:45:09.959
abilities so I do commend this I do hope

03:45:10.040 --> 03:45:12.239
it gets supported um and I know the

03:45:12.319 --> 03:45:15.079
clubs down at leage would be thrilled to

03:45:15.159 --> 03:45:16.840
see us move forward with something like

03:45:16.920 --> 03:45:19.360
this thank you thank you councilor s

03:45:19.440 --> 03:45:22.399
councilor Davies your reserve councilors

03:45:22.479 --> 03:45:23.879
are there any objections to this notice

03:45:23.959 --> 03:45:27.239
of motion any debate

03:45:27.479 --> 03:45:30.639
required no debate required councilor s

03:45:30.719 --> 03:45:32.600
would you like to close thank you

03:45:32.680 --> 03:45:33.920
councilor as I'll put this item to the

03:45:34.000 --> 03:45:36.799
vote all those in

03:45:36.879 --> 03:45:39.319
favour I declare that carried unanimously

03:45:39.399 --> 03:45:40.799
thank you thank

03:45:40.879 --> 03:45:44.399
you 12.4 notice of motion councilor

03:45:44.479 --> 03:45:47.319
davies's councilor attendance do we have

03:45:47.399 --> 03:45:48.319
a

03:45:48.399 --> 03:45:51.399
motion thank you councilor Davies and

03:45:51.479 --> 03:45:53.479
second and councilor sa councilor Davies

03:45:53.559 --> 03:45:56.840
I'll be very quick um you know I do have

03:45:56.920 --> 03:45:58.559
residents sometimes say what do you

03:45:58.639 --> 03:46:00.399
councilors actually do you turn up to a

03:46:00.479 --> 03:46:02.799
meeting once a month but you know we

03:46:02.879 --> 03:46:04.760
don't really think you do much and

03:46:04.840 --> 03:46:06.479
there's actually quite a bit that

03:46:06.559 --> 03:46:09.159
councilors do as all the councilors here

03:46:09.239 --> 03:46:10.840
would know that we end up we have

03:46:10.920 --> 03:46:13.000
meetings every single Monday night and

03:46:13.079 --> 03:46:15.280
those meetings frequently go till you

03:46:15.360 --> 03:46:18.200
know 10:30 11:00 at night we have

03:46:18.280 --> 03:46:21.079
workshops we have training sessions um

03:46:21.159 --> 03:46:23.600
we all attend uh if necessary if there

03:46:23.680 --> 03:46:26.159
are planning meetings in our Ward we

03:46:26.239 --> 03:46:29.159
have invitations I know when we vote

03:46:29.239 --> 03:46:31.600
when the um public Victoria votes at the

03:46:31.680 --> 03:46:34.159
council elections we're actually told

03:46:34.239 --> 03:46:36.000
the percentage attendance rate of a

03:46:36.079 --> 03:46:38.360
councilor at the council statutory at

03:46:38.440 --> 03:46:40.719
the council meetings but that's the only

03:46:40.799 --> 03:46:43.000
information we get and I do think it's

03:46:43.079 --> 03:46:45.079
important that our community understands

03:46:45.159 --> 03:46:48.120
what we actually do with councilors and

03:46:48.200 --> 03:46:51.200
um if the information is available I

03:46:51.280 --> 03:46:53.239
would like a report to be prepared which

03:46:53.319 --> 03:46:55.680
sets that out so our residents do have

03:46:55.760 --> 03:46:58.360
an idea of what we do um and I have made

03:46:58.440 --> 03:47:01.079
a reference there to video links because

03:47:01.159 --> 03:47:02.799
the situation is that we do have a lot

03:47:02.879 --> 03:47:06.319
of meetings on Zoom or teams and not

03:47:06.399 --> 03:47:08.280
everyone turns their camera on and there

03:47:08.360 --> 03:47:10.319
can be lots of reasons why you don't the

03:47:10.399 --> 03:47:11.360
you know the fact that you might be in

03:47:11.440 --> 03:47:13.760
your car driving we've had people start

03:47:13.840 --> 03:47:16.120
the meeting with their their um cameras

03:47:16.200 --> 03:47:18.000
on but because of download issues

03:47:18.079 --> 03:47:20.280
they've turned it off but I do think as

03:47:20.360 --> 03:47:22.280
a general principle everyone should try

03:47:22.360 --> 03:47:24.799
and have their camera on if they can um

03:47:24.879 --> 03:47:26.959
and we have had situations where

03:47:27.040 --> 03:47:29.559
councilors have had their cameras off

03:47:29.639 --> 03:47:31.280
but somehow not responded so you sort of

03:47:31.360 --> 03:47:33.040
Wonder did you were they there for part

03:47:33.120 --> 03:47:34.360
of the meeting wandered off and never

03:47:34.440 --> 03:47:37.120
came back you've got no idea so I do

03:47:37.200 --> 03:47:39.559
think it is important that we as a

03:47:39.639 --> 03:47:42.360
councilor group inform our community of

03:47:42.440 --> 03:47:44.440
what we do and that is the aim of this

03:47:44.520 --> 03:47:46.959
motion thank you thank you very much

03:47:47.040 --> 03:47:49.399
councilor Davies councilor

03:47:49.479 --> 03:47:52.680
basley sorry councilor sub my apologies

03:47:52.760 --> 03:47:56.000
that's thank you that's okay look um

03:47:56.079 --> 03:47:58.319
from the offset I'm going to say the

03:47:58.399 --> 03:48:00.159
reason why this is so important is that

03:48:00.239 --> 03:48:03.760
we start to instill the type of um work

03:48:03.840 --> 03:48:05.319
that we want to see from future

03:48:05.399 --> 03:48:07.319
councilors that will come into Kingston

03:48:07.399 --> 03:48:08.959
Council but it's really important that

03:48:09.040 --> 03:48:10.680
you rock up and you're there because

03:48:10.760 --> 03:48:12.040
that's the best way that you can affect

03:48:12.120 --> 03:48:13.239
change that's the best way you can

03:48:13.319 --> 03:48:14.719
contribute it's the best way that you

03:48:14.799 --> 03:48:16.719
can represent your community that's why

03:48:16.799 --> 03:48:18.600
it's really important that we move this

03:48:18.680 --> 03:48:20.040
um it's important for a range of other

03:48:20.120 --> 03:48:21.280
reasons but that's really important to

03:48:21.360 --> 03:48:23.159
me so that the new councilor group that

03:48:23.239 --> 03:48:24.760
does come in in the next Council term

03:48:24.840 --> 03:48:26.079
and we know we're going to head into an

03:48:26.159 --> 03:48:28.520
election next year that they see that

03:48:28.600 --> 03:48:31.360
being accountable being there being

03:48:31.440 --> 03:48:33.600
present and contributing are really

03:48:33.680 --> 03:48:35.000
important that's how you represent your

03:48:35.079 --> 03:48:38.000
community um we heard a lot this evening

03:48:38.079 --> 03:48:39.559
of different debates of different items

03:48:39.639 --> 03:48:42.440
about needing Refreshers or or being

03:48:42.520 --> 03:48:44.440
contributing to work plans or strategies

03:48:44.520 --> 03:48:47.079
or you know long process of engagements

03:48:47.159 --> 03:48:48.479
well it's really important that our

03:48:48.559 --> 03:48:50.120
community actually recognizes that we

03:48:50.200 --> 03:48:51.959
actually do all those things we have

03:48:52.040 --> 03:48:53.559
regular Refreshers we had a refresher

03:48:53.639 --> 03:48:56.719
actually this afternoon from at 3 p.m.

03:48:56.799 --> 03:48:59.000
um we had multiple workshops and

03:48:59.079 --> 03:49:01.360
training sessions we have multiple

03:49:01.440 --> 03:49:03.239
advisory committee meetings we have

03:49:03.319 --> 03:49:06.239
multiple um information session cis's we

03:49:06.319 --> 03:49:07.840
have a lot of planning application

03:49:07.920 --> 03:49:09.639
meetings we have particular issues that

03:49:09.719 --> 03:49:12.000
are a huge concern to our community and

03:49:12.079 --> 03:49:13.719
we have meetings on those particular

03:49:13.799 --> 03:49:15.520
issues not once or twice we have them

03:49:15.600 --> 03:49:17.600
regularly over a series of months or a

03:49:17.680 --> 03:49:19.520
series of weeks what you would love to

03:49:19.600 --> 03:49:21.159
say and I I know our community would

03:49:21.239 --> 03:49:22.639
love to say is that that's actually

03:49:22.719 --> 03:49:25.319
attended by all of the councilors or at

03:49:25.399 --> 03:49:27.799
least attended by the councilors who

03:49:27.879 --> 03:49:30.040
represent those issues or in those Wards

03:49:30.120 --> 03:49:31.680
and what we're seeing now and I really

03:49:31.760 --> 03:49:33.399
hope the report reflects it is that's

03:49:33.479 --> 03:49:35.000
actually not happening we're not we're

03:49:35.079 --> 03:49:36.959
not seeing that we're not seeing people

03:49:37.040 --> 03:49:38.680
come to the things that you'd expect

03:49:38.760 --> 03:49:42.000
them to or or an issue that is raised by

03:49:42.079 --> 03:49:44.159
someone um isn't actually followed

03:49:44.239 --> 03:49:45.559
through with when there is a workshop or

03:49:45.639 --> 03:49:47.479
something organized so I actually do

03:49:47.559 --> 03:49:49.600
think it's really important for a whole

03:49:49.680 --> 03:49:51.680
range of reasons that this is out there

03:49:51.760 --> 03:49:53.520
um I know it's not new information I I

03:49:53.600 --> 03:49:55.639
know um the city of Frankston does this

03:49:55.719 --> 03:49:57.239
Franken Council there's other councils

03:49:57.319 --> 03:49:59.000
that do this sort of thing so it's it's

03:49:59.079 --> 03:50:00.319
not a very controversial thing that

03:50:00.399 --> 03:50:01.879
we're doing here we're just trying to

03:50:01.959 --> 03:50:03.760
make sure that our community recognizes

03:50:03.840 --> 03:50:05.639
the work and effort that councils are

03:50:05.719 --> 03:50:07.959
putting into uh and being here and being

03:50:08.040 --> 03:50:10.360
present and trying to actually represent

03:50:10.440 --> 03:50:11.920
the voices of their communities and the

03:50:12.000 --> 03:50:14.920
voices of their Wards um I know there's

03:50:15.000 --> 03:50:16.440
a line in there that it says where

03:50:16.520 --> 03:50:18.680
possible and and I understand that for a

03:50:18.760 --> 03:50:20.159
range of again a range of reasons there

03:50:20.239 --> 03:50:21.879
might be limitations on how we actually

03:50:21.959 --> 03:50:23.760
get that reported on and how that is

03:50:23.840 --> 03:50:27.040
seen um but where we can that we do

03:50:27.120 --> 03:50:28.879
translate that into the report that it

03:50:28.959 --> 03:50:30.799
is posted to the website so that it is

03:50:30.879 --> 03:50:32.760
accessible to our community and they can

03:50:32.840 --> 03:50:35.040
see their representatives that they

03:50:35.120 --> 03:50:37.399
voted for and the expectations that they

03:50:37.479 --> 03:50:39.319
have that they're there and present and

03:50:39.399 --> 03:50:42.479
accountable and actually doing what you

03:50:42.559 --> 03:50:43.959
what they say they're doing not just

03:50:44.040 --> 03:50:45.600
saying it in a council meeting once a

03:50:45.680 --> 03:50:47.319
month that they're actually doing those

03:50:47.399 --> 03:50:49.639
things um that they can see that and so

03:50:49.719 --> 03:50:51.040
that's why I'm very supportive of this

03:50:51.120 --> 03:50:53.399
notice motion thank you thank you

03:50:53.479 --> 03:50:55.360
councilor s councilor

03:50:55.440 --> 03:50:58.159
basley yeah it's a question through you

03:50:58.239 --> 03:51:02.520
um to the Mover um when when do you want

03:51:02.600 --> 03:51:05.079
this to start in terms of the

03:51:05.159 --> 03:51:07.479
preparation of that um because some of

03:51:07.559 --> 03:51:10.200
these I can see that the officers don't

03:51:10.280 --> 03:51:14.200
necessarily um have that information um

03:51:14.280 --> 03:51:15.920
but some of it would be quite easy say

03:51:16.000 --> 03:51:17.639
with a Civic ceremony for someone just

03:51:17.719 --> 03:51:20.680
to note down who was there um going

03:51:20.760 --> 03:51:22.600
forward but it they may not have the

03:51:22.680 --> 03:51:26.000
records going into the past um on some

03:51:26.079 --> 03:51:28.920
of these ones so I'm just wondering

03:51:29.000 --> 03:51:32.879
when over the entire Council term or for

03:51:32.959 --> 03:51:35.879
each of these or just thank you

03:51:35.959 --> 03:51:37.639
councilor Bey I'll direct that question

03:51:37.719 --> 03:51:41.120
to the um oh she has answered it so did

03:51:41.200 --> 03:51:44.319
you wish to speak to the item no thank

03:51:44.399 --> 03:51:46.079
you very much councilor

03:51:46.159 --> 03:51:49.280
Beasley Council

03:51:49.360 --> 03:51:52.159
Oxley thank you I would like to move an

03:51:52.239 --> 03:51:55.479
amendment to this motion please as an

03:51:55.559 --> 03:51:57.159
additional

03:51:57.239 --> 03:51:59.520
point Thank You Council oxy if you'd

03:51:59.600 --> 03:52:01.879
like to

03:52:08.079 --> 03:52:11.079
proceed

03:52:13.719 --> 03:52:17.719
and that is to read that councilors be

03:52:23.840 --> 03:52:26.000
provided with the

03:52:26.079 --> 03:52:29.360
opportunity to

03:52:29.879 --> 03:52:34.120
advise why they did or did not attend

03:52:34.200 --> 03:52:36.360
the

03:52:38.040 --> 03:52:39.600
meetings

03:52:39.680 --> 03:52:41.559
thank you councel o you confirm that on

03:52:41.639 --> 03:52:44.559
the screen thank you great I will ask

03:52:44.639 --> 03:52:46.920
the moover councilor Davies and the

03:52:47.000 --> 03:52:48.520
second to councilor sa if they are

03:52:48.600 --> 03:52:50.239
agreeable to this amendment councilor

03:52:50.319 --> 03:52:51.680
Davies no I'm not agreeable to that

03:52:51.760 --> 03:52:53.639
Amendment thank you councilor Davies

03:52:53.719 --> 03:52:55.159
councilor

03:52:55.239 --> 03:52:59.360
sa no thank you very much councilor um

03:52:59.440 --> 03:53:03.000
oxy I'll now ask for a second for your

03:53:03.079 --> 03:53:05.760
Amendment thank you councilor

03:53:05.840 --> 03:53:07.879
Eden councilor

03:53:07.959 --> 03:53:11.040
Oxley fundamentally what we have here in

03:53:11.120 --> 03:53:14.079
front of us and this is only cemented by

03:53:14.159 --> 03:53:16.479
the fact that there was an unwillingness

03:53:16.559 --> 03:53:19.959
to accept that as part of the motion is

03:53:20.040 --> 03:53:22.280
a motion in front of us that would

03:53:22.360 --> 03:53:25.600
provide only a select amount of

03:53:25.680 --> 03:53:28.159
information to the residents of the city

03:53:28.239 --> 03:53:28.879
of

03:53:28.959 --> 03:53:32.959
Kingston and not the full picture and if

03:53:33.040 --> 03:53:35.120
we'd like to speak about the reasons why

03:53:35.200 --> 03:53:37.399
councilors do or do not attend the

03:53:37.479 --> 03:53:40.840
meetings I'll vent that here there are

03:53:40.920 --> 03:53:42.639
councilors who have spoken this evening

03:53:42.719 --> 03:53:45.280
about meetings that potentially haven't

03:53:45.360 --> 03:53:47.319
been attended by other councilors and I

03:53:47.399 --> 03:53:49.360
can say I haven't attended all of the

03:53:49.440 --> 03:53:52.239
meetings I work full-time I have other

03:53:52.319 --> 03:53:54.520
commitments I have family commitments

03:53:54.600 --> 03:53:57.159
and here's the kicker there are meetings

03:53:57.239 --> 03:53:59.959
that are scheduled when I'm not

03:54:00.040 --> 03:54:02.840
available there are meetings where I'm

03:54:02.920 --> 03:54:07.680
not consulted on when they are held

03:54:07.760 --> 03:54:10.040
there are meetings where I believe have

03:54:10.120 --> 03:54:12.239
deliberately been held at times that

03:54:12.319 --> 03:54:13.200
I've been

03:54:13.280 --> 03:54:15.280
unavailable so if we'd like to talk

03:54:15.360 --> 03:54:17.920
about potentially the reasons why people

03:54:18.000 --> 03:54:19.680
don't attend

03:54:19.760 --> 03:54:22.079
meetings I'm more than happy to go into

03:54:22.159 --> 03:54:24.239
that and would welcome the opportunity

03:54:24.319 --> 03:54:26.520
to share that with the Kingston

03:54:26.600 --> 03:54:29.000
Community fundamentally what I focus on

03:54:29.079 --> 03:54:32.159
as a councilor is actually delivering

03:54:32.239 --> 03:54:33.079
for the

03:54:33.159 --> 03:54:35.760
community I can attend meeting after

03:54:35.840 --> 03:54:38.479
meeting after meeting and I I do and

03:54:38.559 --> 03:54:41.440
have for my entire time on Council but

03:54:41.520 --> 03:54:43.079
as I said before I'm not going to be

03:54:43.159 --> 03:54:44.959
able to attend

03:54:45.040 --> 03:54:47.120
everything but that's a reason why we

03:54:47.200 --> 03:54:49.399
have 11 councilors who sit around this

03:54:49.479 --> 03:54:52.040
table to ensure that the entire Kingston

03:54:52.120 --> 03:54:54.559
Community is advocated for not just

03:54:54.639 --> 03:54:56.760
their own Wards so if potentially a ward

03:54:56.840 --> 03:54:58.239
councilor can't attend a particular

03:54:58.319 --> 03:55:00.479
meeting that there are other councilors

03:55:00.559 --> 03:55:03.200
that also do that job

03:55:03.280 --> 03:55:06.120
too but I do think it's important that

03:55:06.200 --> 03:55:08.000
our Kingston Community get the full

03:55:08.079 --> 03:55:09.479
picture

03:55:09.559 --> 03:55:11.159
they understand potentially how some

03:55:11.239 --> 03:55:13.040
councilors get treated when they do

03:55:13.120 --> 03:55:14.239
attend

03:55:14.319 --> 03:55:16.600
meetings they understand that

03:55:16.680 --> 03:55:18.239
potentially the way that some councilors

03:55:18.319 --> 03:55:20.559
get treated or potentially the way that

03:55:20.639 --> 03:55:22.639
messages are exchanged during meetings

03:55:22.719 --> 03:55:25.000
or any of those types of issues as

03:55:25.079 --> 03:55:26.879
potentially the reasons why councilors

03:55:26.959 --> 03:55:29.479
don't feel comfortable attending some

03:55:29.559 --> 03:55:32.120
meetings why councilors might find it

03:55:32.200 --> 03:55:34.840
very

03:55:34.920 --> 03:55:37.639
difficult to deal with some of the

03:55:37.719 --> 03:55:39.399
issues that come up up in the way that

03:55:39.479 --> 03:55:41.879
they are treated by their

03:55:41.959 --> 03:55:44.239
colleagues and this is not the way that

03:55:44.319 --> 03:55:47.280
I wanted to air these issues but I think

03:55:47.360 --> 03:55:49.079
it's important that if we're going to

03:55:49.159 --> 03:55:51.399
decide on a select piece of information

03:55:51.479 --> 03:55:53.479
to give the community that I have no

03:55:53.559 --> 03:55:54.879
issue in the community knowing my

03:55:54.959 --> 03:55:56.159
attendance

03:55:56.239 --> 03:55:59.040
record but I also want the community to

03:55:59.120 --> 03:56:01.920
know what I've delivered for them

03:56:02.000 --> 03:56:04.399
because that is fundamentally why I am

03:56:04.479 --> 03:56:07.639
here is not just to talk about

03:56:07.719 --> 03:56:11.959
things I'm here to deliver I'm not here

03:56:12.040 --> 03:56:13.879
just to attend meetings and my success

03:56:13.959 --> 03:56:16.200
as a councilor is not determined on the

03:56:16.280 --> 03:56:18.719
number of meetings I

03:56:18.799 --> 03:56:21.440
attend the number of times I speak about

03:56:21.520 --> 03:56:22.639
an

03:56:22.719 --> 03:56:26.719
issue it is about outcomes and

03:56:26.799 --> 03:56:28.840
delivery and I'm very confident and

03:56:28.920 --> 03:56:30.399
comfortable in what I've been able to

03:56:30.479 --> 03:56:33.559
deliver for the Kingston Community but

03:56:33.639 --> 03:56:36.760
if we're going to focus on just a select

03:56:36.840 --> 03:56:39.079
piece of information I I think it is

03:56:39.159 --> 03:56:40.959
only procedural fairness that a

03:56:41.040 --> 03:56:42.959
councilor who perhaps hasn't attended a

03:56:43.040 --> 03:56:45.559
meeting whether that be me or any other

03:56:45.639 --> 03:56:47.479
councilor that they be given the

03:56:47.559 --> 03:56:50.040
opportunity to explain in this public

03:56:50.120 --> 03:56:52.000
report

03:56:52.079 --> 03:56:54.479
why I think that is only

03:56:54.559 --> 03:56:57.079
fair unless of course this motion is

03:56:57.159 --> 03:56:59.239
designed for other

03:56:59.319 --> 03:57:01.479
reasons thank you councilor Oxley

03:57:01.559 --> 03:57:03.520
councilor

03:57:03.600 --> 03:57:07.559
Eden uh yes thank you I will support the

03:57:07.639 --> 03:57:10.600
amendment because I think to turn around

03:57:10.680 --> 03:57:13.639
and to say um that you're not interested

03:57:13.719 --> 03:57:15.879
in having your Council colleagues

03:57:15.959 --> 03:57:18.760
provide an explanation as to why they do

03:57:18.840 --> 03:57:22.680
or don't attend meetings uh in my view

03:57:22.760 --> 03:57:25.959
Madame mayor is again very dismissive of

03:57:26.040 --> 03:57:29.600
the concerns that some councilors raise

03:57:29.680 --> 03:57:31.280
now I reflect on a conversation I had

03:57:31.360 --> 03:57:32.559
with a councilor I think it was last

03:57:32.639 --> 03:57:34.520
week and it wasn't councilor Oxley for

03:57:34.600 --> 03:57:38.079
the record and they said to me that they

03:57:38.159 --> 03:57:39.920
get more more

03:57:40.000 --> 03:57:43.600
done uh than in their view many others

03:57:43.680 --> 03:57:45.239
and they reflected on that through a

03:57:45.319 --> 03:57:48.079
graph that recently came to council

03:57:48.159 --> 03:57:51.280
showing investment by

03:57:51.360 --> 03:57:53.840
Ward and that graph set out who's

03:57:53.920 --> 03:57:55.840
getting the most investment in whose

03:57:55.920 --> 03:57:57.959
Wards I would suggest it won't be

03:57:58.040 --> 03:57:59.280
aligned with who attends the most

03:57:59.360 --> 03:58:01.440
briefings or happy hour drinks or

03:58:01.520 --> 03:58:03.479
Community functions that officers say we

03:58:03.559 --> 03:58:07.040
can't even have a record of but instead

03:58:07.120 --> 03:58:09.319
to ask that councilor and to say why

03:58:09.399 --> 03:58:11.239
didn't you attend that

03:58:11.319 --> 03:58:15.680
meeting maybe it's because people say

03:58:15.760 --> 03:58:19.159
things like this Madam mayor CIS is not

03:58:19.239 --> 03:58:22.600
a forum to discuss or to debate and they

03:58:22.680 --> 03:58:24.200
shouted at the councilor when they're

03:58:24.280 --> 03:58:27.159
trying to share their views yet the very

03:58:27.239 --> 03:58:29.639
same councilor in the next 5 minutes

03:58:29.719 --> 03:58:32.479
will prosecute their views hell high

03:58:32.559 --> 03:58:35.239
water maybe it's because those

03:58:35.319 --> 03:58:39.000
councilors some councilors feel that

03:58:39.079 --> 03:58:41.559
retributive action gets taken against

03:58:41.639 --> 03:58:44.319
them because they vehemently pursue

03:58:44.399 --> 03:58:46.520
issues maybe it's because some

03:58:46.600 --> 03:58:49.520
councilors don't even get consulted with

03:58:49.600 --> 03:58:52.120
by Mayors and I do want to shout out

03:58:52.200 --> 03:58:53.520
thank you for actually picking up the

03:58:53.600 --> 03:58:56.000
phone and asking for my availability

03:58:56.079 --> 03:58:58.520
recently for the councilor Workshop that

03:58:58.600 --> 03:59:00.440
was refreshing to actually have someone

03:59:00.520 --> 03:59:03.239
say when are you available not oh these

03:59:03.319 --> 03:59:04.840
five councilors are available we've

03:59:04.920 --> 03:59:07.040
booked in a time and then it pops up in

03:59:07.120 --> 03:59:09.280
your calendar so I do want to

03:59:09.360 --> 03:59:11.399
acknowledge and appreciate that change

03:59:11.479 --> 03:59:14.159
that I have seen but it's all good and

03:59:14.239 --> 03:59:16.040
well because what I see coming out of

03:59:16.120 --> 03:59:18.520
this is a report will come in an

03:59:18.600 --> 03:59:19.799
incomplete

03:59:19.879 --> 03:59:22.760
form uh that won't have the reasons why

03:59:22.840 --> 03:59:25.239
councilors attended or didn't so what

03:59:25.319 --> 03:59:28.680
does a councilor do they'll go online

03:59:28.760 --> 03:59:30.280
and they'll say in response to this

03:59:30.360 --> 03:59:32.639
report I haven't attended some of these

03:59:32.719 --> 03:59:35.159
sessions because of the following

03:59:35.239 --> 03:59:37.760
reasons that's what democracy is about

03:59:37.840 --> 03:59:40.840
it's about communicating with your

03:59:40.920 --> 03:59:42.959
constituents but what will someone maybe

03:59:43.040 --> 03:59:46.079
do to get revenge they'll use a thing

03:59:46.159 --> 03:59:48.200
called our code of conduct and a section

03:59:48.280 --> 03:59:50.600
that says bring Council into disrepute

03:59:50.680 --> 03:59:52.440
and they'll say you communicated with

03:59:52.520 --> 03:59:55.440
your residents how dare you naughty

03:59:55.520 --> 03:59:57.879
you and they'll put councils through a

03:59:57.959 --> 04:00:00.399
retributive process in my view to say

04:00:00.479 --> 04:00:01.959
but you explained it you said you felt

04:00:02.040 --> 04:00:03.200
bullied you felt that you weren't

04:00:03.280 --> 04:00:05.159
listened to and you felt that uh

04:00:05.239 --> 04:00:06.639
councilors didn't listen to you and you

04:00:06.719 --> 04:00:08.639
ventilated that and that's brought

04:00:08.719 --> 04:00:11.120
Council into disrepute and that can be

04:00:11.200 --> 04:00:13.280
what happens so I think it's appropriate

04:00:13.360 --> 04:00:15.159
that councilors have a mechanism where

04:00:15.239 --> 04:00:17.520
that won't happen to them here tonight

04:00:17.600 --> 04:00:21.159
thank you thank you councilor

04:00:24.159 --> 04:00:26.719
Eden Council as I'm mindful it is quite

04:00:26.799 --> 04:00:28.239
late at night I would just really

04:00:28.319 --> 04:00:30.559
encourage Us in this moment to think

04:00:30.639 --> 04:00:34.280
about our values and just be as kind as

04:00:34.360 --> 04:00:36.159
we can in the debate that we're

04:00:36.239 --> 04:00:38.479
undertaking and appreciating that my

04:00:38.559 --> 04:00:40.000
view is that every single one of the

04:00:40.079 --> 04:00:41.879
councilors at the table comes here with

04:00:41.959 --> 04:00:44.200
a good intention so I just wanted to

04:00:44.280 --> 04:00:46.799
share that as it is 11:06 and I know

04:00:46.879 --> 04:00:48.639
we're all feeling tired so thank you for

04:00:48.719 --> 04:00:50.719
indulging me councilor Davies you had

04:00:50.799 --> 04:00:52.639
your hand raised would you like to speak

04:00:52.719 --> 04:00:54.959
yes I would like to speak um I do think

04:00:55.040 --> 04:00:56.760
that um I would like to make it clear I

04:00:56.840 --> 04:00:58.760
don't have some sort of hidden nefarious

04:00:58.840 --> 04:01:03.000
purpose in relation to this motion um I

04:01:03.079 --> 04:01:06.200
did not consent to this amendment

04:01:06.280 --> 04:01:09.360
because my motion seeks to go back to

04:01:09.440 --> 04:01:11.920
the beginning of this Council term and I

04:01:12.000 --> 04:01:15.520
do not believe that councilors have a

04:01:15.600 --> 04:01:17.799
precise memory of why they may not have

04:01:17.879 --> 04:01:20.280
attended certain things in year one or

04:01:20.360 --> 04:01:23.079
year2 all you need to do is look at how

04:01:23.159 --> 04:01:25.440
Witnesses give evidence to know that

04:01:25.520 --> 04:01:30.000
we've had at least 144 CIS meetings and

04:01:30.079 --> 04:01:31.479
frankly there are councilors here who

04:01:31.559 --> 04:01:35.239
probably haven't turned up to even I

04:01:35.319 --> 04:01:38.319
don't know hit the 50% Mark and as

04:01:38.399 --> 04:01:40.200
councilor Oxley pointed out and I think

04:01:40.280 --> 04:01:42.120
it actually applies to every single

04:01:42.200 --> 04:01:45.000
councilor here we all have full-time

04:01:45.079 --> 04:01:48.159
jobs we all have family commitments some

04:01:48.239 --> 04:01:49.799
of us have children some of us have

04:01:49.879 --> 04:01:52.159
foster children some of us have um

04:01:52.239 --> 04:01:55.040
relatives who are aged need support no

04:01:55.120 --> 04:01:58.440
one is expecting 100% attendance on

04:01:58.520 --> 04:02:00.920
everything that is completely

04:02:01.000 --> 04:02:04.079
inconsistent um with reality so I don't

04:02:04.159 --> 04:02:05.319
understand what the problem is with

04:02:05.399 --> 04:02:06.680
people saying they weren't there at a

04:02:06.760 --> 04:02:08.719
certain meeting in terms of it noting

04:02:08.799 --> 04:02:10.840
they weren't there but people are

04:02:10.920 --> 04:02:13.200
entitled to know there are people on

04:02:13.280 --> 04:02:15.840
this Council who don't turn up and I

04:02:15.920 --> 04:02:18.479
would like to note that every single

04:02:18.559 --> 04:02:21.040
event I've been told about I have been

04:02:21.120 --> 04:02:24.200
given plenty of notice and had an

04:02:24.280 --> 04:02:26.360
opportunity to respond back and this is

04:02:26.440 --> 04:02:28.559
over my entire term I am a first-term

04:02:28.639 --> 04:02:30.520
councilor and it has always been

04:02:30.600 --> 04:02:32.799
afforded to me opportunities going

04:02:32.879 --> 04:02:35.239
around with chances to respond here's

04:02:35.319 --> 04:02:38.479
our proposed dates I have I have never

04:02:38.559 --> 04:02:41.719
had a meeting um a surprise meeting

04:02:41.799 --> 04:02:44.479
dumped on me at the last minute so and

04:02:44.559 --> 04:02:45.680
also I would like to note that the

04:02:45.760 --> 04:02:48.440
council staff are very flexible so if

04:02:48.520 --> 04:02:50.920
you can't attend a briefing they always

04:02:51.000 --> 04:02:52.799
give you an opportunity to get a second

04:02:52.879 --> 04:02:54.719
briefing elsewhere so if you really want

04:02:54.799 --> 04:02:56.719
to know about it you can absolutely find

04:02:56.799 --> 04:02:59.200
out about it so I I just don't agree

04:02:59.280 --> 04:03:00.440
with some of these statements that are

04:03:00.520 --> 04:03:03.360
being made um I find we are a

04:03:03.440 --> 04:03:06.440
professional group of councilors with a

04:03:06.520 --> 04:03:10.760
professional group of Council staff and

04:03:10.840 --> 04:03:13.120
I absolutely do not agree with some of

04:03:13.200 --> 04:03:16.200
the hints and implications being put out

04:03:16.280 --> 04:03:19.479
tonight so um I don't agree with this

04:03:19.559 --> 04:03:22.959
amendment because I don't consider it

04:03:23.040 --> 04:03:27.200
will give people a true picture and yes

04:03:27.280 --> 04:03:30.159
if somebody's really concerned Why a

04:03:30.239 --> 04:03:32.319
certain councilor may only have attended

04:03:32.399 --> 04:03:34.360
one Workshop out of three or attended

04:03:34.440 --> 04:03:35.959
none well they can approach that

04:03:36.040 --> 04:03:37.319
councilor and ask them and that

04:03:37.399 --> 04:03:38.600
councilor might come come back and say

04:03:38.680 --> 04:03:40.399
well look actually they were held when I

04:03:40.479 --> 04:03:42.200
was overseas caring for my young mother

04:03:42.280 --> 04:03:44.680
who was in a different country or

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there's a reason XYZ no one's stopping

04:03:47.920 --> 04:03:50.920
the councilor giving their explanation

04:03:51.000 --> 04:03:54.239
thank you thank you councilor Davies

04:03:54.319 --> 04:03:56.360
there any further comments or debate

04:03:56.440 --> 04:03:58.680
required for the proposed

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amendment councilor

04:04:00.879 --> 04:04:03.920
S I just wanted to express specifically

04:04:04.000 --> 04:04:05.319
why I wasn't so supportive of this

04:04:05.399 --> 04:04:07.479
particular Amendment and that was mainly

04:04:07.559 --> 04:04:09.639
because um apologies are actually noted

04:04:09.719 --> 04:04:11.719
when they're sent in um to meetings that

04:04:11.799 --> 04:04:14.479
are recorded so there's no particular

04:04:14.559 --> 04:04:16.399
reason why you need to express or have

04:04:16.479 --> 04:04:18.200
that expressly posted unless the

04:04:18.280 --> 04:04:20.559
councilor wishes to um of that apology

04:04:20.639 --> 04:04:22.200
but if apologies are sent and they're

04:04:22.280 --> 04:04:24.040
noted it's good that they are then

04:04:24.120 --> 04:04:25.799
reflected in the report so I think

04:04:25.879 --> 04:04:27.079
that's what we're also going to see and

04:04:27.159 --> 04:04:28.200
I hope that's what the report will

04:04:28.280 --> 04:04:30.000
actually show is where we've received

04:04:30.079 --> 04:04:33.040
apologies from councilors um in advance

04:04:33.120 --> 04:04:34.520
or even on the day sometimes we're

04:04:34.600 --> 04:04:36.159
flexible sometimes it's an hour or two

04:04:36.239 --> 04:04:37.239
into the meeting that we receive

04:04:37.319 --> 04:04:39.079
apologies but it is reflected in the

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minutes um and that will then be

04:04:40.719 --> 04:04:42.079
reflected in this report which will then

04:04:42.159 --> 04:04:44.520
be collated and put to the public um

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that's why I wasn't so supportive of

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this particular uh Amendment um and to

04:04:49.399 --> 04:04:52.680
councilor Davis Point as well um it is

04:04:52.760 --> 04:04:55.040
it is non impossible to get the precise

04:04:55.120 --> 04:04:57.680
reasons behind the various multiple

04:04:57.760 --> 04:04:58.799
different things that happen on in

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Council um from a couple of years back

04:05:01.079 --> 04:05:02.520
so just wanted to make sure that that

04:05:02.600 --> 04:05:05.520
was clear as well um we've had um I

04:05:05.600 --> 04:05:07.000
think there was some insinuations that

04:05:07.079 --> 04:05:08.719
we haven't tried to cont councilors

04:05:08.799 --> 04:05:10.159
about particular workshops and things

04:05:10.239 --> 04:05:12.760
and I know in my mayoral term um through

04:05:12.840 --> 04:05:15.239
the exec Services team that we really

04:05:15.319 --> 04:05:17.079
had a very committed effort to actually

04:05:17.159 --> 04:05:18.600
try to reach out to people we called

04:05:18.680 --> 04:05:20.520
multiple times or we could um for

04:05:20.600 --> 04:05:21.879
particular workshops and things that

04:05:21.959 --> 04:05:24.440
were on um we did I think we did do also

04:05:24.520 --> 04:05:26.319
a poll in some instances for different

04:05:26.399 --> 04:05:28.200
meetings so there was lots of

04:05:28.280 --> 04:05:29.920
opportunities to try to find a date that

04:05:30.000 --> 04:05:31.879
was suitable for everyone um just didn't

04:05:31.959 --> 04:05:33.360
want that to be then put on the record

04:05:33.440 --> 04:05:34.520
that that wasn't the case in the way

04:05:34.600 --> 04:05:36.399
that we carried my we carried ourselves

04:05:36.479 --> 04:05:38.079
in the last 12 months and how I wish to

04:05:38.159 --> 04:05:40.760
actually conduct um the councel team

04:05:40.840 --> 04:05:42.760
when I was the mayor so just wanted to

04:05:42.840 --> 04:05:44.040
make that clear thank you thank you

04:05:44.120 --> 04:05:46.559
councilor Sab

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councilors thank you councilor Aiden did

04:05:48.559 --> 04:05:50.799
you have a question uh yes I did have a

04:05:50.879 --> 04:05:52.879
question uh councilor Sab mentioned that

04:05:52.959 --> 04:05:54.840
apologies he hoped would be noted

04:05:54.920 --> 04:05:56.920
however that's lacking in the proposed

04:05:57.000 --> 04:05:58.840
motion could officers clarify would they

04:05:58.920 --> 04:06:02.840
be including in this report the AP if

04:06:02.920 --> 04:06:05.079
apologies were received or not and the

04:06:05.159 --> 04:06:06.920
and if so if the reasons for the

04:06:07.000 --> 04:06:08.239
apologies were being

04:06:08.319 --> 04:06:10.680
uh included because I can't see the word

04:06:10.760 --> 04:06:13.920
apologies in here it just says a table

04:06:14.000 --> 04:06:15.840
which sets out attendance records not

04:06:15.920 --> 04:06:19.280
and if they apologized or not thank

04:06:19.360 --> 04:06:22.559
you thank you coun one

04:06:22.639 --> 04:06:24.600
moment thank you I've just confirmed

04:06:24.680 --> 04:06:28.000
that M sh can take this question thank

04:06:28.079 --> 04:06:31.799
you through you mayor thank you um we

04:06:31.879 --> 04:06:34.360
would be including apologies as part of

04:06:34.440 --> 04:06:37.040
attendance records where we have them um

04:06:37.120 --> 04:06:39.239
and if the amendment is successful this

04:06:39.319 --> 04:06:41.360
evening then we would also be affording

04:06:41.440 --> 04:06:43.639
councils the opportunity to provide

04:06:43.719 --> 04:06:47.719
further um explanation around

04:06:48.440 --> 04:06:51.440
that we would be including apologies if

04:06:51.520 --> 04:06:54.200
if we have them if we have them recorded

04:06:54.280 --> 04:06:56.280
we don't always have apologies recorded

04:06:56.360 --> 04:06:57.920
on some of these meetings that are

04:06:58.000 --> 04:07:00.799
itemized under point one of the

04:07:00.879 --> 04:07:03.479
substantive

04:07:04.600 --> 04:07:09.440
motion thank you councilor Aiden

04:07:09.520 --> 04:07:11.600
just to clarify for example if someone

04:07:11.680 --> 04:07:16.600
went to uh a community event and didn't

04:07:16.680 --> 04:07:19.159
attend and you don't collect apologies

04:07:19.239 --> 04:07:21.600
for that how would that be presented

04:07:21.680 --> 04:07:24.799
like pra oh I'll give you a

04:07:24.879 --> 04:07:27.040
snow most councilors attend one

04:07:27.120 --> 04:07:28.879
Remembrance Day ceremony because they

04:07:28.959 --> 04:07:31.559
run at similar times would each

04:07:31.639 --> 04:07:33.799
councilor's apologies for all the others

04:07:33.879 --> 04:07:35.840
be recorded or would you even be aware

04:07:35.920 --> 04:07:39.000
of something like that at all

04:07:39.079 --> 04:07:43.520
thank you Melle thank you three mayor

04:07:43.600 --> 04:07:45.920
um thank you for your question councilor

04:07:46.000 --> 04:07:47.959
Eden and you were quite right where we

04:07:48.040 --> 04:07:50.040
don't always record apologies for

04:07:50.120 --> 04:07:53.399
certain events um we would be relying on

04:07:53.479 --> 04:07:56.040
point three of the substantive motion

04:07:56.120 --> 04:07:57.920
that says if council's current records

04:07:58.000 --> 04:08:00.360
did not have the information the table

04:08:00.440 --> 04:08:02.639
report is to note that so we don't have

04:08:02.719 --> 04:08:04.600
apologies we'll be making note of that

04:08:04.680 --> 04:08:06.559
in the report to come back to

04:08:06.639 --> 04:08:08.520
council

04:08:08.600 --> 04:08:10.719
thank you very much councilors I'm

04:08:10.799 --> 04:08:12.120
proposing that we put the amendment to

04:08:12.200 --> 04:08:13.120
the

04:08:13.200 --> 04:08:15.840
vote thank you councilors all those in

04:08:15.920 --> 04:08:19.360
favour of the amendment please raise your

04:08:21.360 --> 04:08:28.840
hand thank you record that uh all those

04:08:29.399 --> 04:08:32.959
against and all those

04:08:34.600 --> 04:08:36.600
abstaining thank you a division is being

04:08:36.680 --> 04:08:39.399
called by councilor ID so we'll ask all

04:08:39.479 --> 04:08:42.319
of those councilors in favour to please

04:08:42.399 --> 04:08:44.520
stand I'm so sorry Council o could you

04:08:44.600 --> 04:08:46.559
repeat

04:08:46.639 --> 04:08:50.520
that oh sure thank

04:08:55.520 --> 04:08:58.440
you so I declare that

04:08:58.520 --> 04:09:00.959
lost thank you and now we'll I return to

04:09:01.040 --> 04:09:02.479
the division thank you Council oxy for

04:09:02.559 --> 04:09:05.559
your assistance all those in

04:09:05.639 --> 04:09:10.040
favour so we have um councilor

04:09:10.120 --> 04:09:14.280
Eden thank you councilor Oxley councilor

04:09:14.360 --> 04:09:16.479
Cochran councilor

04:09:16.559 --> 04:09:19.520
Beasley all those

04:09:19.600 --> 04:09:21.920
against councilor

04:09:22.000 --> 04:09:24.920
Sab and councilor

04:09:25.000 --> 04:09:27.600
Davies and all those

04:09:27.680 --> 04:09:29.719
abstaining councilor

04:09:29.799 --> 04:09:32.440
Hill councilor

04:09:32.520 --> 04:09:35.879
stacos councilor Davey

04:09:35.959 --> 04:09:38.319
Burns councilor's governance had advised

04:09:38.399 --> 04:09:40.520
me we have nine councilors in the room

04:09:40.600 --> 04:09:44.520
so five votes to pass so noting

04:09:44.600 --> 04:09:47.399
oops the results

04:09:47.479 --> 04:09:50.239
there unfortunately that was lost thank

04:09:50.319 --> 04:09:52.120
you very much for your

04:09:52.200 --> 04:09:54.760
patience so we will now return back to

04:09:54.840 --> 04:09:57.799
the substantive

04:09:58.360 --> 04:10:01.639
motion and I'll just I've recorded that

04:10:01.719 --> 04:10:03.440
the Mover and the seconder have both

04:10:03.520 --> 04:10:05.719
spoken on that item I just put this to

04:10:05.799 --> 04:10:09.159
the vote okay thank thank you move to

04:10:09.239 --> 04:10:11.920
put if there are councilors who disagree

04:10:12.000 --> 04:10:15.000
you're welcome to let me

04:10:15.079 --> 04:10:18.639
know I'll just check can

04:10:18.719 --> 04:10:23.000
ask toed motion fantastic thank

04:10:23.079 --> 04:10:25.840
you okay governance have just advised to

04:10:25.920 --> 04:10:28.600
check if there's any opposition to this

04:10:28.680 --> 04:10:31.639
motion okay hadie would you sorry

04:10:31.719 --> 04:10:33.159
councilor s would you like to move a

04:10:33.239 --> 04:10:36.360
procedur motion to put it to the

04:10:36.440 --> 04:10:39.000
vote

04:10:39.079 --> 04:10:41.559
no okay fantastic I'll now open the

04:10:41.639 --> 04:10:42.959
debate for councilors would any

04:10:43.040 --> 04:10:45.319
councilors like to debate the

04:10:45.399 --> 04:10:46.440
substantive motion which we'll bring

04:10:46.520 --> 04:10:47.680
back up on the

04:10:47.760 --> 04:10:51.520
screen thank you councilor

04:10:51.760 --> 04:10:56.520
Hill thank you mayor jdb um look I was

04:10:56.600 --> 04:10:59.280
uh just interested to get feedback uh

04:10:59.360 --> 04:11:02.719
from Miss shock uh with regards to this

04:11:02.799 --> 04:11:04.559
particular motion and particularly there

04:11:04.639 --> 04:11:08.719
was just some um sort of concerns raised

04:11:08.799 --> 04:11:13.760
in the officer advice um but my

04:11:13.840 --> 04:11:16.959
interpretation of the advice I got in

04:11:17.040 --> 04:11:20.079
return was just with regards to um the

04:11:20.159 --> 04:11:24.719
addition of the words where possible int

04:11:24.799 --> 04:11:27.719
point1 and also dot3 if council's

04:11:27.799 --> 04:11:30.319
current records do not have uh this

04:11:30.399 --> 04:11:32.680
information the tabled report uh is to

04:11:32.760 --> 04:11:34.840
note this the reason why I thought that

04:11:34.920 --> 04:11:36.760
was important I just wanted to make sure

04:11:36.840 --> 04:11:40.440
that um the collation of like what we're

04:11:40.520 --> 04:11:43.399
talking about here is information that's

04:11:43.479 --> 04:11:45.440
already you know appearing in other

04:11:45.520 --> 04:11:48.000
documents that's largely my

04:11:48.079 --> 04:11:51.680
understanding anyway um but if for

04:11:51.760 --> 04:11:55.399
argument sake if we're um Miss shlock

04:11:55.479 --> 04:11:58.360
mentioned that you know it could be uh

04:11:58.440 --> 04:12:01.159
we're talking about a Civic event and

04:12:01.239 --> 04:12:04.959
there was no record kept that you know

04:12:05.040 --> 04:12:07.440
would it would it fall then on office is

04:12:07.520 --> 04:12:09.159
in that particular Department to then

04:12:09.239 --> 04:12:11.239
have to look back through photographs to

04:12:11.319 --> 04:12:13.959
see which councilor was present or

04:12:14.040 --> 04:12:16.280
wasn't present now I personally wouldn't

04:12:16.360 --> 04:12:18.079
be supportive of our officers having to

04:12:18.159 --> 04:12:20.719
go to those links so um I think

04:12:20.799 --> 04:12:25.120
providing the uh the way that uh the

04:12:25.200 --> 04:12:28.520
information is sought and tabulated if

04:12:28.600 --> 04:12:32.120
if we're just really seeking it um

04:12:32.200 --> 04:12:35.280
from uh Records that we've that we've

04:12:35.360 --> 04:12:38.520
kept um so that it's not overly honorous

04:12:38.600 --> 04:12:41.760
on our um on our offices I'm I'm you

04:12:41.840 --> 04:12:43.399
know very supportive of

04:12:43.479 --> 04:12:46.319
it and and one thing I I like like I

04:12:46.399 --> 04:12:48.399
reflect back on was when I was

04:12:48.479 --> 04:12:49.959
considering whether or not to run for

04:12:50.040 --> 04:12:52.319
Council and I think a lot of us got the

04:12:52.399 --> 04:12:54.799
same sort of advice you know one thing

04:12:54.879 --> 04:12:57.600
you do need to know because as a number

04:12:57.680 --> 04:12:59.719
of councilors have mentioned you know we

04:12:59.799 --> 04:13:01.600
have we have other work that we have to

04:13:01.680 --> 04:13:04.040
do how do we squeeze this in within our

04:13:04.120 --> 04:13:08.079
busy lifestyle and I certainly I got um

04:13:08.159 --> 04:13:09.760
advis that you know the commitment was

04:13:09.840 --> 04:13:12.440
somewhere in the range of 10 15 hours a

04:13:12.520 --> 04:13:14.360
week now I think a lot of us have

04:13:14.440 --> 04:13:17.239
discovered that it's very often quite a

04:13:17.319 --> 04:13:19.559
bit more than that and I think one thing

04:13:19.639 --> 04:13:22.000
that this will actually help um you know

04:13:22.079 --> 04:13:23.920
by just cading this information it will

04:13:24.000 --> 04:13:26.600
actually show the sort of commitment

04:13:26.680 --> 04:13:28.959
that um councils make in order to

04:13:29.040 --> 04:13:33.159
represent um their constituent so um as

04:13:33.239 --> 04:13:37.760
I say I I was mindful just to check in

04:13:37.840 --> 04:13:41.040
um as to what work was entitled in order

04:13:41.120 --> 04:13:43.760
to put this report together um I'm

04:13:43.840 --> 04:13:45.399
satisfied with

04:13:45.479 --> 04:13:48.840
the uh with the um amendments that

04:13:48.920 --> 04:13:51.000
councilor Davies made that those two

04:13:51.079 --> 04:13:53.639
points in particular really capture that

04:13:53.719 --> 04:13:55.600
and ensure that this isn't going to be

04:13:55.680 --> 04:13:57.440
overly honorous to our officers in order

04:13:57.520 --> 04:13:59.760
to put this report together so on that

04:13:59.840 --> 04:14:01.840
basis I'm happy to support it thank you

04:14:01.920 --> 04:14:04.799
thank you councilor

04:14:04.879 --> 04:14:07.559
Hill councilor Aiden

04:14:07.639 --> 04:14:09.399
uh yes thank you a question if I may

04:14:09.479 --> 04:14:12.040
just to the relevant officer um how many

04:14:12.120 --> 04:14:14.200
hours do you believe will be involved in

04:14:14.280 --> 04:14:17.120
cating all this information bringing it

04:14:17.200 --> 04:14:21.239
back as a report um and thirdly I think

04:14:21.319 --> 04:14:23.040
Council Hill had a rhetorical question

04:14:23.120 --> 04:14:25.600
around checking photos but would you

04:14:25.680 --> 04:14:27.559
imagine going to that length or to what

04:14:27.639 --> 04:14:29.600
length would you go and how many hours

04:14:29.680 --> 04:14:32.280
of Officer time would that be uh and how

04:14:32.360 --> 04:14:34.479
many staff would that involve thank you

04:14:34.559 --> 04:14:38.079
councilor Eden um Mr Hogan

04:14:38.159 --> 04:14:40.319
thank you Madame mayor through you um so

04:14:40.399 --> 04:14:41.959
it's hard for us to Define at this point

04:14:42.040 --> 04:14:44.479
but we do note that um the motion if

04:14:44.559 --> 04:14:46.200
successful tonight is for Council Office

04:14:46.280 --> 04:14:48.479
to prepare a report and so that would be

04:14:48.559 --> 04:14:51.200
the type of thing that we in that report

04:14:51.280 --> 04:14:54.920
Council thank you Mr

04:14:55.000 --> 04:14:58.399
Hogan um councilor Aiden could I just

04:14:58.479 --> 04:15:00.159
clarify through a

04:15:00.239 --> 04:15:02.719
question this says Council officers

04:15:02.799 --> 04:15:04.639
prepare a report to be tabled at the

04:15:04.719 --> 04:15:06.280
next council meeting and to be published

04:15:06.360 --> 04:15:08.319
on the council's website which sets out

04:15:08.399 --> 04:15:10.440
the attendance yet your answer said

04:15:10.520 --> 04:15:13.440
you'd be looking to bring a report back

04:15:13.520 --> 04:15:15.879
rather than this actual substantive

04:15:15.959 --> 04:15:17.479
piece of work being done could you just

04:15:17.559 --> 04:15:19.520
clarify that yeah rather thank you

04:15:19.600 --> 04:15:21.120
councilor for the clarification there

04:15:21.200 --> 04:15:22.319
it's getting

04:15:22.399 --> 04:15:26.879
late now you're absolutely right look

04:15:26.959 --> 04:15:29.440
with without notice might be hard to

04:15:29.520 --> 04:15:31.879
Define exactly how much time that might

04:15:31.959 --> 04:15:36.399
might um take the first initial the

04:15:36.479 --> 04:15:38.959
first initial initial um report might

04:15:39.040 --> 04:15:40.280
take a little bit longer than once we

04:15:40.360 --> 04:15:41.399
get into the swing of things and all of

04:15:41.479 --> 04:15:43.559
a sudden you're not having to go back uh

04:15:43.639 --> 04:15:47.479
through two previous ones um so the

04:15:47.559 --> 04:15:48.879
first initial one might take a little

04:15:48.959 --> 04:15:50.239
bit longer once you get into the swing

04:15:50.319 --> 04:15:54.360
of things hopefully you'd

04:15:54.440 --> 04:15:57.639
assume um oh take substantially less

04:15:57.719 --> 04:15:58.920
look I'm sorry I'm struggling to give

04:15:59.000 --> 04:16:00.879
you a reasonable answer here but it's

04:16:00.959 --> 04:16:02.559
hard to understand without having

04:16:02.639 --> 04:16:04.120
previously done it but would not be an

04:16:04.200 --> 04:16:07.440
insubstantial amount of Officer time

04:16:07.520 --> 04:16:09.159
thank you Mr hgen councilor Eden any

04:16:09.239 --> 04:16:11.600
further questions uh I'll just speak to

04:16:11.680 --> 04:16:14.760
the substantive for this point in time

04:16:14.840 --> 04:16:16.760
uh noting your response that it won't be

04:16:16.840 --> 04:16:18.559
an insubstantial or ins substantive

04:16:18.639 --> 04:16:21.120
amount of time honestly I can't think of

04:16:21.200 --> 04:16:25.159
a bigger waste of Officer time and to

04:16:25.239 --> 04:16:28.559
the governance team and to Mr Hogan uh

04:16:28.639 --> 04:16:30.200
to think that you need to spend your

04:16:30.280 --> 04:16:31.879
days between the 12th of December and

04:16:31.959 --> 04:16:34.159
the January meeting running around

04:16:34.239 --> 04:16:35.959
cating information that councilors

04:16:36.040 --> 04:16:38.280
already have available to them such as

04:16:38.360 --> 04:16:40.479
minutes of a council meeting minutes of

04:16:40.559 --> 04:16:43.680
a CIS uh minutes of planning meetings

04:16:43.760 --> 04:16:46.319
that are kept on record uh meetings and

04:16:46.399 --> 04:16:47.840
documents that come out that actually

04:16:47.920 --> 04:16:49.680
detail already the attendance of

04:16:49.760 --> 04:16:51.719
councils at workshops and training

04:16:51.799 --> 04:16:54.920
sessions um and for there not to have

04:16:55.000 --> 04:16:56.760
even been I guess the courtesy or the

04:16:56.840 --> 04:16:58.319
respect to have a conversation around

04:16:58.399 --> 04:16:59.879
how many hours this will take you and

04:16:59.959 --> 04:17:02.159
your team to put together and to get

04:17:02.239 --> 04:17:05.120
that actually shaped up before debating

04:17:05.200 --> 04:17:09.000
this I think is just a total waste of um

04:17:09.079 --> 04:17:12.159
officer time if a councilor wants to

04:17:12.239 --> 04:17:13.440
know

04:17:13.520 --> 04:17:17.399
this get this agenda and read it because

04:17:17.479 --> 04:17:19.440
if you actually read it it's already got

04:17:19.520 --> 04:17:22.479
this information in it but I have heard

04:17:22.559 --> 04:17:24.879
counsil on this Council say I don't read

04:17:24.959 --> 04:17:27.680
the agenda I just listen to The Briefing

04:17:27.760 --> 04:17:29.959
or officers say I'll take it as R my

04:17:30.040 --> 04:17:31.920
report and then someone asks the same

04:17:32.000 --> 04:17:34.120
question that's answered in the report

04:17:34.200 --> 04:17:35.840
so I think it'd be a good start for

04:17:35.920 --> 04:17:37.120
people to probably have have enough

04:17:37.200 --> 04:17:39.000
respect for officers to understand what

04:17:39.079 --> 04:17:41.959
type of uh timing impact there will be

04:17:42.040 --> 04:17:45.440
on them and their workloads at

04:17:45.520 --> 04:17:49.280
Christmas the deadline of

04:17:49.360 --> 04:17:51.680
January this is like the most rushed

04:17:51.760 --> 04:17:53.319
piece of work I've ever seen councilors

04:17:53.399 --> 04:17:56.440
want turned around and to what benefit

04:17:56.520 --> 04:17:58.319
when it's already there in minutes go

04:17:58.399 --> 04:17:59.520
through the minutes and you can

04:17:59.600 --> 04:18:02.600
synthesize it as a counsel yourself uh

04:18:02.680 --> 04:18:04.719
if you seriously need this information

04:18:04.799 --> 04:18:08.239
before January uh I believe and I know

04:18:08.319 --> 04:18:10.120
our governance team have a lot better

04:18:10.200 --> 04:18:12.159
things to do than to run around

04:18:12.239 --> 04:18:13.959
fulfilling a councilor's desire to have

04:18:14.040 --> 04:18:15.440
a notice of motion done over the

04:18:15.520 --> 04:18:18.159
Christmas period uh so Madame mayor I

04:18:18.239 --> 04:18:20.639
would say that I think this is a total

04:18:20.719 --> 04:18:23.559
uh waste of time to be rushed through in

04:18:23.639 --> 04:18:25.959
a couple of weeks uh over Christmas in

04:18:26.040 --> 04:18:28.879
my view uh and I wouldn't be endorsing

04:18:28.959 --> 04:18:32.159
this to council uh and based on the

04:18:32.239 --> 04:18:33.959
response from Mr Hogan I would like to

04:18:34.040 --> 04:18:36.840
move a procedural motion uh from for a

04:18:36.920 --> 04:18:39.639
deferral and I'll read that out uh if uh

04:18:39.719 --> 04:18:43.000
when ready thank you councilor Eden we

04:18:43.079 --> 04:18:46.840
just wait for governance to confirm they

04:19:01.000 --> 04:19:03.399
ready thank you Council Aiden would you

04:19:03.479 --> 04:19:05.159
like to read out your procedural motion

04:19:05.239 --> 04:19:07.440
uh yes thank you that the item be uh

04:19:07.520 --> 04:19:09.440
deferred for a period of 3

04:19:09.520 --> 04:19:12.000
months in order to avoid a waste of

04:19:12.079 --> 04:19:13.840
Officer

04:19:13.920 --> 04:19:16.360
time and to allow councilors to

04:19:16.440 --> 04:19:18.239
familiarize themselves with existing

04:19:18.319 --> 04:19:20.159
minutes that are already published and

04:19:20.239 --> 04:19:22.399
relate to attendance of

04:19:22.479 --> 04:19:24.399
councilors thank you Council Eden I'll

04:19:24.479 --> 04:19:25.719
just get you to confirm that once that

04:19:25.799 --> 04:19:28.040
sentence is

04:19:28.120 --> 04:19:31.120
finished

04:19:34.639 --> 04:19:36.760
great sorry could we just repeat the end

04:19:36.840 --> 04:19:38.280
of the sentence so councilor to

04:19:38.360 --> 04:19:40.440
familiarize themselves with existing

04:19:40.520 --> 04:19:42.840
minutes that are already

04:19:42.920 --> 04:19:47.079
published and made available to

04:19:47.760 --> 04:19:51.520
councilors already published and made

04:19:51.600 --> 04:19:54.639
available to all

04:19:54.719 --> 04:19:57.079
councilors thank you governance I'll

04:19:57.159 --> 04:19:58.719
just get you to confirm that councilor

04:19:58.799 --> 04:20:01.760
Eden and we yes that's correct thank you

04:20:01.840 --> 04:20:03.920
do we have a

04:20:04.000 --> 04:20:08.159
seconder thank you Council Oxley

04:20:08.239 --> 04:20:09.719
yes thank you uh I think it's an

04:20:09.799 --> 04:20:11.399
appropriate response for something

04:20:11.479 --> 04:20:13.360
that's come up without consultation with

04:20:13.440 --> 04:20:17.920
all councilors anyway uh despite I think

04:20:18.000 --> 04:20:19.959
um one of the obligations under the act

04:20:20.040 --> 04:20:21.479
of the mayor and the deputy mayor in

04:20:21.559 --> 04:20:23.840
turn is to facilitate positive relations

04:20:23.920 --> 04:20:26.159
with councilors which one would suggest

04:20:26.239 --> 04:20:28.639
involve speaking with all councilors but

04:20:28.719 --> 04:20:30.280
it came to council without that

04:20:30.360 --> 04:20:32.479
discussion anyway and whilst I

04:20:32.559 --> 04:20:34.440
appreciate that the motion may very well

04:20:34.520 --> 04:20:37.559
be designed to create created an easyto

04:20:37.639 --> 04:20:41.879
read uh report for councilors uh that

04:20:41.959 --> 04:20:46.559
is uh one desire to have a motion but

04:20:46.639 --> 04:20:48.559
for something to be required to come

04:20:48.639 --> 04:20:52.120
back to council uh in January that has

04:20:52.200 --> 04:20:55.559
no urgency to it that's been articulated

04:20:55.639 --> 04:20:57.319
tonight why there's all of a sudden a

04:20:57.399 --> 04:20:59.000
need for something to be done over

04:20:59.079 --> 04:21:02.479
Christmas I think is bizarre I think

04:21:02.559 --> 04:21:05.399
secondly uh for the general manager to

04:21:05.479 --> 04:21:07.000
be in a position where can't even

04:21:07.079 --> 04:21:09.879
articulate the impact on him on himself

04:21:09.959 --> 04:21:12.000
and his team and the organization in the

04:21:12.079 --> 04:21:14.079
resources that are required to put this

04:21:14.159 --> 04:21:16.079
together uh is quite frankly

04:21:16.159 --> 04:21:18.319
disrespectful and rude towards officers

04:21:18.399 --> 04:21:20.520
and their time I think they probably

04:21:20.600 --> 04:21:22.000
have things that they're trying to wrap

04:21:22.079 --> 04:21:24.920
up at this time of year uh in larger

04:21:25.000 --> 04:21:27.120
organizations there's often a volume of

04:21:27.200 --> 04:21:29.399
work that needs to be done and people

04:21:29.479 --> 04:21:30.959
are trying to push that through and wrap

04:21:31.040 --> 04:21:33.959
it up before Year's End and to just say

04:21:34.040 --> 04:21:36.479
here's a lump of work I could go with as

04:21:36.559 --> 04:21:38.280
a councilor and look at the minutes

04:21:38.360 --> 04:21:41.040
anyway but you go off offices and do it

04:21:41.120 --> 04:21:43.840
I think is somewhat concerning uh I

04:21:43.920 --> 04:21:46.799
would be really interested to understand

04:21:46.879 --> 04:21:48.680
which councilors were actually consulted

04:21:48.760 --> 04:21:51.719
in the formation of this particular

04:21:51.799 --> 04:21:54.799
motion but I would emphasize that when

04:21:54.879 --> 04:21:56.760
councils already have the information

04:21:56.840 --> 04:21:59.040
examples of which actually at the start

04:21:59.120 --> 04:22:00.760
of our agenda tonight that show

04:22:00.840 --> 04:22:03.120
councilor attended this CIS councilor

04:22:03.200 --> 04:22:05.799
blah didn't attend and already have it

04:22:05.879 --> 04:22:07.840
there lit in front of you in this

04:22:07.920 --> 04:22:09.840
meeting and to be going back and saying

04:22:09.920 --> 04:22:11.559
well go back several years put together

04:22:11.639 --> 04:22:14.639
all the um information and do it all

04:22:14.719 --> 04:22:16.520
over

04:22:16.600 --> 04:22:19.079
Christmas I just think it's beyond a

04:22:19.159 --> 04:22:21.920
lack of respect towards officers it's

04:22:22.000 --> 04:22:23.719
not asking for us to urgently get a

04:22:23.799 --> 04:22:25.280
contract ready because a building's

04:22:25.360 --> 04:22:27.600
about to be demolished or a Heritage

04:22:27.680 --> 04:22:29.559
Home is going to be knocked over and

04:22:29.639 --> 04:22:33.879
there's a time sensitive reason for

04:22:33.959 --> 04:22:36.879
this but I would uh

04:22:36.959 --> 04:22:40.079
certainly endorse a deferral I know no

04:22:40.159 --> 04:22:42.520
doubt that that deferral will be lost um

04:22:42.600 --> 04:22:45.319
so it will probably be futile to move

04:22:45.399 --> 04:22:47.479
but at least we can have that debate uh

04:22:47.559 --> 04:22:50.239
Madame mayor in terms of uh looking at

04:22:50.319 --> 04:22:51.959
what is actually an appropriate use of

04:22:52.040 --> 04:22:54.959
office a time um and I guess the

04:22:55.040 --> 04:22:57.559
question really needs to be asked is

04:22:57.639 --> 04:22:59.559
there something that's super urgent

04:22:59.639 --> 04:23:01.120
about this that a councilor can't go and

04:23:01.200 --> 04:23:03.200
spend their own time pulling it together

04:23:03.280 --> 04:23:05.000
uh information wise and sharing it with

04:23:05.079 --> 04:23:06.719
whoever they need to get it to

04:23:06.799 --> 04:23:09.280
uh in the coming weeks uh so on that

04:23:09.360 --> 04:23:11.680
note I would endorse uh a deferral to

04:23:11.760 --> 04:23:13.319
council to allow councilors an

04:23:13.399 --> 04:23:15.200
opportunity to familiarize themselves

04:23:15.280 --> 04:23:17.319
with documents that are available many

04:23:17.399 --> 04:23:18.760
of which are actually on the council

04:23:18.840 --> 04:23:20.319
website uh

04:23:20.399 --> 04:23:22.760
already um and I'll leave my discussion

04:23:22.840 --> 04:23:25.399
on the deferral there uh except to just

04:23:25.479 --> 04:23:27.920
say in my uh personal views I've never

04:23:28.000 --> 04:23:30.360
seen such a substantial piece of work

04:23:30.440 --> 04:23:32.840
being put forward with such urgency

04:23:32.920 --> 04:23:33.840
without a

04:23:33.920 --> 04:23:36.760
counsil properly articulated

04:23:36.840 --> 04:23:40.000
the urgency tour it or having even uh

04:23:40.079 --> 04:23:42.120
given officers the opportunity to scope

04:23:42.200 --> 04:23:43.879
out how much time and the impact it

04:23:43.959 --> 04:23:45.200
would have on them in their workloads

04:23:45.280 --> 04:23:47.479
over Christmas thank you thank you

04:23:47.559 --> 04:23:50.680
councilor Eden councilor

04:23:51.360 --> 04:23:53.120
Oxley thank

04:23:53.200 --> 04:23:58.280
you in terms of the deferral um whilst I

04:23:58.360 --> 04:23:59.680
don't necessarily need to see the motion

04:23:59.760 --> 04:24:01.120
coming back I think deferring it for the

04:24:01.200 --> 04:24:03.520
reason that it's um been moved this

04:24:03.600 --> 04:24:05.959
evening is very appropriate when I look

04:24:06.040 --> 04:24:08.479
at uh item 10.3 in our agenda the

04:24:08.559 --> 04:24:10.040
governance and compliance report that

04:24:10.120 --> 04:24:12.319
says one that Council receive the

04:24:12.399 --> 04:24:13.840
informal meetings of councel of records

04:24:13.920 --> 04:24:15.840
as attached in dependencies one and

04:24:15.920 --> 04:24:18.000
two we already get some of this

04:24:18.079 --> 04:24:20.159
information so I'm not sure why we now

04:24:20.239 --> 04:24:21.719
need officers to sit there trolling

04:24:21.799 --> 04:24:24.879
through three years little over three

04:24:24.959 --> 04:24:27.159
years um of all of this information that

04:24:27.239 --> 04:24:28.879
is already in our Council agendas that

04:24:28.959 --> 04:24:30.879
is already made public to the community

04:24:30.959 --> 04:24:33.559
it's in your agendas as well that you'll

04:24:33.639 --> 04:24:35.079
be able to see who's attended and who

04:24:35.159 --> 04:24:36.959
hasn't

04:24:37.040 --> 04:24:40.079
the CIS sessions those minutes are in

04:24:40.159 --> 04:24:42.280
there as well Council events in all

04:24:42.360 --> 04:24:44.479
honesty I'm not sure officers could

04:24:44.559 --> 04:24:46.479
prepare something that would even be

04:24:46.559 --> 04:24:49.040
remotely accurate and that is no fault

04:24:49.120 --> 04:24:52.639
of officers they just couldn't do it

04:24:52.719 --> 04:24:54.360
there's not that information we haven't

04:24:54.440 --> 04:24:56.280
kept those records and I think it might

04:24:56.360 --> 04:24:58.000
have been councilor berley or councilor

04:24:58.079 --> 04:24:59.760
Davies who referred to record keeping on

04:24:59.840 --> 04:25:01.760
one of the other motions in terms of

04:25:01.840 --> 04:25:03.920
donations we don't have some of these

04:25:04.000 --> 04:25:06.959
records yet you're asking for a

04:25:07.040 --> 04:25:09.680
report to put in the records we don't

04:25:09.760 --> 04:25:12.639
have to generate an overall picture of

04:25:12.719 --> 04:25:14.520
something where you have a quarter of

04:25:14.600 --> 04:25:16.120
the

04:25:16.200 --> 04:25:18.239
information if we talk about

04:25:18.319 --> 04:25:20.840
evidence-based decision making and facts

04:25:20.920 --> 04:25:23.000
in this Council chamber month in and

04:25:23.079 --> 04:25:26.040
month out this is not one of them we

04:25:26.120 --> 04:25:27.959
don't have all the facts we haven't kept

04:25:28.040 --> 04:25:30.079
the information and perhaps that's

04:25:30.159 --> 04:25:31.559
something moving forward that we need to

04:25:31.639 --> 04:25:34.239
do don't have an issue with that but

04:25:34.319 --> 04:25:35.760
we've kept the information for some of

04:25:35.840 --> 04:25:37.799
them that is already public to the

04:25:37.879 --> 04:25:39.840
community the community can have a look

04:25:39.920 --> 04:25:41.680
at it and I'm sure councilors will make

04:25:41.760 --> 04:25:42.840
the community aware if that's what

04:25:42.920 --> 04:25:45.879
they'd like to do but we can't with

04:25:45.959 --> 04:25:48.000
informations from Community invitations

04:25:48.079 --> 04:25:49.639
from Community

04:25:49.719 --> 04:25:52.840
groups officers simply don't have that

04:25:52.920 --> 04:25:55.920
information I attended the first match

04:25:56.000 --> 04:25:58.040
for the Blue Jays under their new lights

04:25:58.120 --> 04:25:59.440
that wasn't an official Council

04:25:59.520 --> 04:26:01.440
invitation Council would have no record

04:26:01.520 --> 04:26:04.319
of that aside from a nice photo of

04:26:04.399 --> 04:26:06.000
myself and Jared the president under the

04:26:06.079 --> 04:26:07.120
brand new

04:26:07.200 --> 04:26:10.040
lights so how are we going to provide

04:26:10.120 --> 04:26:12.200
accurate information to the community in

04:26:12.280 --> 04:26:14.200
this case we

04:26:14.280 --> 04:26:16.360
can't and I'm not sure why there would

04:26:16.440 --> 04:26:18.000
even be a consideration of putting

04:26:18.079 --> 04:26:19.920
something like this up when it was known

04:26:20.000 --> 04:26:22.680
when this motion was moved and once the

04:26:22.760 --> 04:26:25.239
guidance note came out that we didn't

04:26:25.319 --> 04:26:28.680
have this information yet here it is and

04:26:28.760 --> 04:26:30.719
here it is at

04:26:30.799 --> 04:26:33.799
11:30 even though some of it's already

04:26:33.879 --> 04:26:36.040
there it's already public and the the

04:26:36.120 --> 04:26:38.520
rest of it we don't have so I'm not sure

04:26:38.600 --> 04:26:39.920
how useful this report's even going to

04:26:40.000 --> 04:26:41.399
be officers are going to spend an

04:26:41.479 --> 04:26:44.040
inordinate an inordinate amount of time

04:26:44.120 --> 04:26:46.520
on this over Christmas and what a lovely

04:26:46.600 --> 04:26:48.920
Christmas present that is for

04:26:49.000 --> 04:26:51.280
officers councilors should put together

04:26:51.360 --> 04:26:53.239
the information themselves from the

04:26:53.319 --> 04:26:54.559
information that is already in our

04:26:54.639 --> 04:26:57.559
Council agendas if you chose to read

04:26:57.639 --> 04:27:01.079
them thank you Council Oxley I'm going

04:27:01.159 --> 04:27:03.200
to put this procedural motion to the

04:27:03.280 --> 04:27:04.840
vote all those in

04:27:04.920 --> 04:27:06.959
favour

04:27:07.040 --> 04:27:09.719
all those

04:27:09.959 --> 04:27:12.600
against all those

04:27:12.680 --> 04:27:15.360
abstaining I declare that

04:27:15.440 --> 04:27:18.639
lost we'll now uh need to move a second

04:27:18.719 --> 04:27:21.479
procedural motion councilors uh I'm

04:27:21.559 --> 04:27:23.879
requesting that we extend the meeting by

04:27:23.959 --> 04:27:27.319
30 minutes do I have a move councilor

04:27:27.399 --> 04:27:30.399
stos seconded councilor

04:27:30.479 --> 04:27:33.079
Cochran I'll put this matter to the vote

04:27:33.159 --> 04:27:34.840
all those in

04:27:34.920 --> 04:27:37.760
favour thank you all those

04:27:37.840 --> 04:27:40.000
against thank you councilors I declare

04:27:40.079 --> 04:27:42.280
that

04:27:48.760 --> 04:27:50.920
carried wonderful thank you governance I

04:27:51.000 --> 04:27:52.799
might just get you to I'm sorry thank

04:27:52.879 --> 04:27:56.280
you just one moment

04:27:57.360 --> 04:27:59.120
councilors wonderful thank you for

04:27:59.200 --> 04:28:01.600
recording that we'll now return

04:28:01.680 --> 04:28:05.239
back to our believe substantive motion

04:28:05.319 --> 04:28:07.719
just double check excellent good all

04:28:07.799 --> 04:28:09.879
right would any other councilors like to

04:28:09.959 --> 04:28:13.159
speak to this

04:28:18.000 --> 04:28:20.120
motion Council Eden you like to move an

04:28:20.200 --> 04:28:23.680
amendment thank you uh yes thank

04:28:23.760 --> 04:28:26.319
you uh and the amendment uh if I could

04:28:26.399 --> 04:28:29.360
get that on the screen thank

04:28:29.879 --> 04:28:33.879
you uh the report includes uh details of

04:28:33.959 --> 04:28:37.799
events paid for by Council

04:28:39.760 --> 04:28:41.840
that councilors and all their Partners

04:28:41.920 --> 04:28:43.799
have

04:28:43.879 --> 04:28:48.079
attended including Interstate

04:28:48.159 --> 04:28:50.680
travel and whether the councilor has

04:28:50.760 --> 04:28:53.639
reported back to the

04:28:53.719 --> 04:28:56.520
Council on the benefits that resulted to

04:28:56.600 --> 04:29:01.239
the community by attending paid

04:29:04.000 --> 04:29:06.639
events uh and if by your agreement

04:29:06.719 --> 04:29:08.239
Madame mayor I could move a second

04:29:08.319 --> 04:29:09.760
amendment that you put separately or I'm

04:29:09.840 --> 04:29:11.440
happy to move it

04:29:11.520 --> 04:29:14.159
again after this one's debated thank you

04:29:14.239 --> 04:29:17.159
Council Aiden just one

04:29:20.280 --> 04:29:22.639
moment a two point Amendment and vote on

04:29:22.719 --> 04:29:24.920
them

04:29:28.280 --> 04:29:31.280
separately

04:29:34.559 --> 04:29:36.680
so thank thank you councilors just one

04:29:36.760 --> 04:29:39.760
moment whilst I say good

04:30:04.639 --> 04:30:07.159
advice thank you very much councilors

04:30:07.239 --> 04:30:08.760
I've confirmed with governance and our

04:30:08.840 --> 04:30:11.559
CEO that we will have both amendments

04:30:11.639 --> 04:30:13.360
put forward now by councilor Eden and

04:30:13.440 --> 04:30:15.360
that we will then um vote on those in

04:30:15.440 --> 04:30:17.079
parts thank you councilor

04:30:17.159 --> 04:30:19.200
Eden I have a question in relation to

04:30:19.280 --> 04:30:20.799
that amendment can I ask

04:30:20.879 --> 04:30:23.600
that on this first amendment thank you

04:30:23.680 --> 04:30:25.760
councilor Davies your question um my

04:30:25.840 --> 04:30:27.639
question in relation to this is that

04:30:27.719 --> 04:30:29.319
Council ens made a reference there to

04:30:29.399 --> 04:30:31.639
and partners I mean how is he viewing

04:30:31.719 --> 04:30:33.399
his wife councilor Oxley here are you

04:30:33.479 --> 04:30:35.520
talking about there are occasions where

04:30:35.600 --> 04:30:36.920
councilor Alexy might be attending as

04:30:37.000 --> 04:30:38.280
your partner or are you talking about

04:30:38.360 --> 04:30:40.280
when she's attending as a councilor I'm

04:30:40.360 --> 04:30:42.840
just unclear thank you councilor Davies

04:30:42.920 --> 04:30:46.479
I'll ask councilor if we could just just

04:30:46.559 --> 04:30:48.440
just to clarify I take that either way

04:30:48.520 --> 04:30:50.200
so councilor Oxley may be attending

04:30:50.280 --> 04:30:52.719
something and her husband councel they

04:30:52.799 --> 04:30:56.159
may not be going there both as coun like

04:30:56.239 --> 04:30:59.079
clarification thank you Council

04:30:59.159 --> 04:31:01.600
Oxley thank you both very much for the

04:31:01.680 --> 04:31:03.680
opportunity to clarify Council Eden is

04:31:03.760 --> 04:31:05.000
there anything you'd like to add to that

04:31:05.079 --> 04:31:06.280
question

04:31:06.360 --> 04:31:08.440
uh I don't think it merits a response I

04:31:08.520 --> 04:31:09.920
think it's pretty clear councilors and

04:31:10.000 --> 04:31:11.520
all their partners and that could just

04:31:11.600 --> 04:31:13.680
be provided in the form that officers

04:31:13.760 --> 04:31:17.120
deem necessary you know like if one

04:31:17.200 --> 04:31:19.440
councilor goes out frequently to

04:31:19.520 --> 04:31:20.840
ticketed theater shows with their

04:31:20.920 --> 04:31:23.239
husband who councilors I do apologize so

04:31:23.319 --> 04:31:24.360
I do apologize for interrupting

04:31:24.440 --> 04:31:26.680
councilor Eden councilors I'm going to

04:31:26.760 --> 04:31:29.000
call a two-minute recess please take a

04:31:29.079 --> 04:31:32.040
break thank

04:31:34.000 --> 04:31:36.479
you ask you to move through the second

04:31:36.559 --> 04:31:38.120
part of the amendment that we'll be

04:31:38.200 --> 04:31:41.280
voting on in parts so we've got and

04:31:41.360 --> 04:31:43.000
where councilors have reported back to

04:31:43.079 --> 04:31:44.120
the

04:31:44.200 --> 04:31:46.399
community uh on the benefits from

04:31:46.479 --> 04:31:48.440
attending such events thank you on the

04:31:48.520 --> 04:31:51.159
benefits attending such events benefits

04:31:51.239 --> 04:31:55.840
of attending such events we

04:31:56.559 --> 04:31:59.520
stop thank you and Council Aiden you

04:31:59.600 --> 04:32:01.600
noted a second amendment that you'd like

04:32:01.680 --> 04:32:05.079
to um put up here uh yes just with your

04:32:05.159 --> 04:32:06.879
agreement that they'll be put in Parts

04:32:06.959 --> 04:32:08.520
I'm happy to move them all now rather

04:32:08.600 --> 04:32:10.680
than going through this rig moral a

04:32:10.760 --> 04:32:12.600
second time I agree it will be put in

04:32:12.680 --> 04:32:14.920
parts thank you councilor Eden no thank

04:32:15.000 --> 04:32:17.399
you uh and that's just in response to

04:32:17.479 --> 04:32:19.280
the commentary around attending in

04:32:19.360 --> 04:32:21.600
person or not so the motion the

04:32:21.680 --> 04:32:24.159
amendment I should

04:32:24.239 --> 04:32:26.520
say where is it I just amended the

04:32:26.600 --> 04:32:29.840
typing of it uh whether or not uh

04:32:29.920 --> 04:32:31.559
whether or not reports of bullying have

04:32:31.639 --> 04:32:34.360
been made to the CEO or other officers

04:32:34.440 --> 04:32:36.000
which could impact upon on a councilor

04:32:36.079 --> 04:32:40.200
choosing to attend in person or

04:32:40.280 --> 04:32:42.680
online thank you councilor Eden once

04:32:42.760 --> 04:32:45.280
that is complete I'll just get you to

04:32:45.360 --> 04:32:48.399
confirm okay and I'm just double cheing

04:32:48.479 --> 04:32:52.440
I'm now to move one second up

04:32:55.760 --> 04:32:58.760
okay oh sorry councilor Eden uh so it

04:32:58.840 --> 04:32:59.959
was whether or not reports have been

04:33:00.040 --> 04:33:02.440
made of bullying was it to the CEO uh to

04:33:02.520 --> 04:33:03.680
the

04:33:03.760 --> 04:33:06.319
CEO uh comma other

04:33:06.400 --> 04:33:09.720
officers uh and I'll add into that or a

04:33:09.799 --> 04:33:11.200
relevant

04:33:11.279 --> 04:33:13.400
agency which could impact upon a

04:33:13.479 --> 04:33:15.400
councilor choosing to attend in person

04:33:15.479 --> 04:33:17.720
or

04:33:28.439 --> 04:33:30.599
online thank you very much governance

04:33:30.680 --> 04:33:31.599
I'll just confirm that with you

04:33:31.680 --> 04:33:34.200
councilor Eden uh yes that's correct

04:33:34.279 --> 04:33:36.119
okay my understanding of processes I'll

04:33:36.200 --> 04:33:39.000
now return to the Mover and the second

04:33:39.080 --> 04:33:42.279
original motion to seek their input so

04:33:42.360 --> 04:33:45.840
the Mover has declined and the second uh

04:33:45.919 --> 04:33:48.720
was councilor

04:33:48.799 --> 04:33:51.799
sa it is okay

04:33:51.880 --> 04:33:55.400
so we will now then require a second for

04:33:55.479 --> 04:33:58.840
your um amendments I'll just check do I

04:33:58.919 --> 04:34:02.000
need a second for both

04:34:02.080 --> 04:34:04.279
so we're treating it all together right

04:34:04.360 --> 04:34:05.439
so councilor obviously thank you for

04:34:05.520 --> 04:34:07.240
putting up your hand uh so we have

04:34:07.319 --> 04:34:10.479
Council Oxley as seconding the amendment

04:34:10.560 --> 04:34:11.880
that is considered one but will be put

04:34:11.959 --> 04:34:14.759
in two parts I'll just check everyone's

04:34:14.840 --> 04:34:17.520
clear with that good okay thank you

04:34:17.599 --> 04:34:19.799
councilor Eden your Amendment thank you

04:34:19.880 --> 04:34:21.119
for that and thank you for agreeing to

04:34:21.200 --> 04:34:23.959
put them in two parts uh the first part

04:34:24.040 --> 04:34:26.360
I think is very self-evident I think uh

04:34:26.439 --> 04:34:28.560
there are a number of events or

04:34:28.639 --> 04:34:31.000
functions that may occur that councilors

04:34:31.080 --> 04:34:35.680
May uh try to sort of promote as uh

04:34:35.759 --> 04:34:37.959
attending uh or that may be reflected in

04:34:38.040 --> 04:34:39.680
this report as attending community

04:34:39.759 --> 04:34:42.799
events um and show the councilors as

04:34:42.880 --> 04:34:45.520
attending more community events uh

04:34:45.599 --> 04:34:47.479
simply because Council has on record the

04:34:47.560 --> 04:34:48.880
fact that they've been paying for

04:34:48.959 --> 04:34:50.720
tickets of say a

04:34:50.799 --> 04:34:53.959
councilor um and whoever their friend or

04:34:54.040 --> 04:34:56.599
their partner or their plus one is uh

04:34:56.680 --> 04:34:59.200
external to this Council they go along

04:34:59.279 --> 04:35:01.880
to those events sometimes uh many times

04:35:01.959 --> 04:35:05.560
it could be uh theater shows it could be

04:35:05.639 --> 04:35:08.240
um Black Tie events with gourmet food in

04:35:08.319 --> 04:35:10.599
the city uh that Council get the

04:35:10.680 --> 04:35:13.479
opportunity to pass on the invite to

04:35:13.560 --> 04:35:16.880
councilors but uh quite often people ask

04:35:16.959 --> 04:35:19.200
the question of that was great that

04:35:19.279 --> 04:35:21.479
someone went to a $200 a ticket event

04:35:21.560 --> 04:35:24.439
the councilor in their plus one but what

04:35:24.520 --> 04:35:26.759
did that do for the community and that's

04:35:26.840 --> 04:35:28.080
the question that I think people

04:35:28.159 --> 04:35:31.000
actually ask um quite often when they

04:35:31.080 --> 04:35:34.080
hear about investment or expenditure uh

04:35:34.159 --> 04:35:36.119
depending on the outcomes of of course

04:35:36.200 --> 04:35:38.720
to taking people along to events whether

04:35:38.799 --> 04:35:41.279
that be at uh it could be the sofel it

04:35:41.360 --> 04:35:44.000
could be at the MCG it could be uh

04:35:44.080 --> 04:35:45.919
interstate and I think if we're going to

04:35:46.000 --> 04:35:48.200
talk about Community participation let's

04:35:48.279 --> 04:35:51.599
talk about people who take up uh the

04:35:51.680 --> 04:35:53.759
events that quite often have high

04:35:53.840 --> 04:35:56.479
ticketed prices to go along to and you

04:35:56.560 --> 04:35:58.799
go along and you uh can get served a

04:35:58.880 --> 04:36:01.880
five course dinner unlimited uh booze is

04:36:01.959 --> 04:36:04.119
sometimes served and I think looking at

04:36:04.200 --> 04:36:05.799
those events as a category because

04:36:05.880 --> 04:36:07.159
obviously there'll be records of that

04:36:07.240 --> 04:36:08.919
there'll be invoices there'll be paid

04:36:09.000 --> 04:36:11.959
tickets uh and whether or not taking a

04:36:12.040 --> 04:36:16.080
plus one to an event and whether or not

04:36:16.159 --> 04:36:18.159
that delivers more for the community

04:36:18.240 --> 04:36:20.159
somehow and I think really looking at

04:36:20.240 --> 04:36:22.959
that because uh you know you could add

04:36:23.040 --> 04:36:24.639
in here count you know council's

04:36:24.720 --> 04:36:28.119
attendance at um you know a number of

04:36:28.200 --> 04:36:29.520
the functions I can think of the

04:36:29.599 --> 04:36:32.080
football club sometimes how buy you know

04:36:32.159 --> 04:36:35.040
can Council buy a ticket or a table and

04:36:35.119 --> 04:36:37.040
and whether or not there's actually an

04:36:37.119 --> 04:36:39.599
outcome for the community I'd question

04:36:39.680 --> 04:36:41.200
whether there is quite often to those

04:36:41.279 --> 04:36:43.360
events I think if people actually want

04:36:43.439 --> 04:36:45.319
transparency in their reports when they

04:36:45.400 --> 04:36:46.959
come back let's look at the councilors

04:36:47.040 --> 04:36:49.360
who may frequently attend those

04:36:49.439 --> 04:36:52.319
functions what those deliver uh and we

04:36:52.400 --> 04:36:54.520
can explain that to the community very

04:36:54.599 --> 04:36:57.080
clearly uh I think also and I note that

04:36:57.159 --> 04:36:58.959
there are a couple of councilors uh

04:36:59.040 --> 04:37:01.360
absent and it's not appropriate uh in

04:37:01.439 --> 04:37:04.279
many instances to share verbatim

04:37:04.360 --> 04:37:05.639
conversation

04:37:05.720 --> 04:37:07.479
uh and I've checked with some councilors

04:37:07.560 --> 04:37:08.840
whether or not they're happy for me to

04:37:08.919 --> 04:37:11.680
mention topics in general about feelings

04:37:11.759 --> 04:37:14.119
or concerns but there are a number of

04:37:14.200 --> 04:37:15.720
councilors who have said they actually

04:37:15.799 --> 04:37:17.840
don't feel comfortable coming along to a

04:37:17.919 --> 04:37:20.759
council meeting sitting in a CIS room

04:37:20.840 --> 04:37:23.080
where everyone might be all having their

04:37:23.159 --> 04:37:25.880
jolly good conversation with one another

04:37:25.959 --> 04:37:28.119
um and excluding another councilor in a

04:37:28.200 --> 04:37:30.680
very hostile environment so they choose

04:37:30.759 --> 04:37:35.000
to join via Zoom they CH uh choose to

04:37:35.080 --> 04:37:37.319
dial in

04:37:37.400 --> 04:37:40.080
uh it could be that some councilors also

04:37:40.159 --> 04:37:42.959
choose to uh turn their picture off

04:37:43.040 --> 04:37:44.319
because maybe they're driving home and

04:37:44.400 --> 04:37:46.119
people don't need to see a roof of a car

04:37:46.200 --> 04:37:48.200
on the way home as they're being briefed

04:37:48.279 --> 04:37:51.319
on a report that they've already read so

04:37:51.400 --> 04:37:54.159
I think it's really important for us to

04:37:54.240 --> 04:37:58.119
note are there actually current concerns

04:37:58.200 --> 04:38:00.159
um I do apologize councilor Eden um if

04:38:00.240 --> 04:38:02.040
we could just I know um some of the

04:38:02.119 --> 04:38:03.479
topics you've just discussed there are

04:38:03.560 --> 04:38:05.400
relevant to the broader debate

04:38:05.479 --> 04:38:07.400
could I just ask in this instance if we

04:38:07.479 --> 04:38:09.439
could just um maintain the debate around

04:38:09.520 --> 04:38:10.840
the Amendments that you put forward

04:38:10.919 --> 04:38:12.639
please yeah that's fine thank you very

04:38:12.720 --> 04:38:14.319
much I appreciate that so in terms of I

04:38:14.400 --> 04:38:16.520
think if someone's gone to the CEO or

04:38:16.599 --> 04:38:18.279
they've gone to an officer and they said

04:38:18.360 --> 04:38:20.680
that they feel bullied harassed

04:38:20.759 --> 04:38:24.080
unwelcome I think that goes to why some

04:38:24.159 --> 04:38:27.439
people may choose to use uh you know

04:38:27.520 --> 04:38:29.240
attendance in person where they go up

04:38:29.319 --> 04:38:31.880
and they can have here in person dinner

04:38:31.959 --> 04:38:34.880
and drinks paid for vers sitting at home

04:38:34.959 --> 04:38:38.119
joining in so I think really looking at

04:38:38.200 --> 04:38:40.639
whether or not those uh issues are

04:38:40.720 --> 04:38:43.319
actually maybe at play because I know

04:38:43.400 --> 04:38:46.799
having spoken to multiple councilors uh

04:38:46.880 --> 04:38:49.119
and for councilor Davy's personal

04:38:49.200 --> 04:38:50.799
interest no I'm not just talking about

04:38:50.880 --> 04:38:52.520
councilor Oxley I'm talking about other

04:38:52.599 --> 04:38:54.560
councilors too who have said they don't

04:38:54.639 --> 04:38:57.279
feel welcome they feel bullied they feel

04:38:57.360 --> 04:38:59.520
harassed they've made reports and

04:38:59.599 --> 04:39:01.479
nothing's changed so I think if

04:39:01.560 --> 04:39:03.360
councilors genuinely want to show some

04:39:03.439 --> 04:39:05.759
leadership maybe they could reflect on

04:39:05.840 --> 04:39:07.560
why some councilors may feel that way

04:39:07.639 --> 04:39:09.560
and they feel uh like they're better off

04:39:09.639 --> 04:39:12.159
joining via Zoom than sitting here with

04:39:12.240 --> 04:39:14.599
their peers thank you thank you

04:39:14.680 --> 04:39:18.319
councilor Eden um councilor

04:39:18.959 --> 04:39:20.840
Oxley thank

04:39:20.919 --> 04:39:23.319
you what I spoke about before was

04:39:23.400 --> 04:39:26.000
outcomes and that is fundamentally what

04:39:26.080 --> 04:39:27.400
I like to focus

04:39:27.479 --> 04:39:32.119
on the first amendment in terms of

04:39:32.200 --> 04:39:34.000
details of events paid for by Council

04:39:34.080 --> 04:39:35.200
the councilors and their Partners have

04:39:35.279 --> 04:39:37.360
attended including State travel where

04:39:37.439 --> 04:39:39.240
the councilors have reported back to the

04:39:39.319 --> 04:39:40.799
community on the benefits of attending

04:39:40.880 --> 04:39:43.200
such events there are plenty of events

04:39:43.279 --> 04:39:45.599
that Council may very well attend

04:39:45.680 --> 04:39:46.880
councilors may very well attend their

04:39:46.959 --> 04:39:48.959
Partners may very well attend where

04:39:49.040 --> 04:39:51.159
there would be a benefit to our

04:39:51.240 --> 04:39:53.520
community and I think the community

04:39:53.599 --> 04:39:55.479
would in general potentially be happy to

04:39:55.560 --> 04:39:57.400
pay for those if there actually comes an

04:39:57.479 --> 04:40:00.680
outcome at the end of it but there are

04:40:00.759 --> 04:40:02.599
plenty of them that I'm not sure there

04:40:02.680 --> 04:40:05.119
is an outcome there are plenty of them

04:40:05.200 --> 04:40:07.000
where that outcome is supporting a local

04:40:07.080 --> 04:40:09.159
community group in their Endeavors and I

04:40:09.240 --> 04:40:11.759
think that's a reason to attend an

04:40:11.840 --> 04:40:14.759
event but at the same time I don't think

04:40:14.840 --> 04:40:16.840
a councilor should have put on an

04:40:16.919 --> 04:40:19.599
attendance record that doesn't give the

04:40:19.680 --> 04:40:22.119
full picture and this is what I keep

04:40:22.200 --> 04:40:24.919
coming back to I am happy for us to

04:40:25.000 --> 04:40:27.319
share information with the community

04:40:27.400 --> 04:40:28.599
that is absolutely what we should be

04:40:28.680 --> 04:40:30.639
doing we should share as much of it as

04:40:30.720 --> 04:40:33.639
possible but they need to have the full

04:40:33.720 --> 04:40:37.240
picture these two amendments give a

04:40:37.319 --> 04:40:38.360
fuller

04:40:38.439 --> 04:40:40.360
picture with the addition of the other

04:40:40.439 --> 04:40:42.759
amendments would have given a full

04:40:42.840 --> 04:40:46.200
picture but I think these add to and

04:40:46.279 --> 04:40:49.479
give a fuller picture to our community

04:40:49.560 --> 04:40:51.400
on the information that is being sought

04:40:51.479 --> 04:40:52.599
to be given to

04:40:52.680 --> 04:40:54.799
them some of it's already out there and

04:40:54.880 --> 04:40:57.319
I'll make that point again some of it is

04:40:57.400 --> 04:40:59.040
already public and in these Council

04:40:59.119 --> 04:41:03.319
agendas but some of it isn't and we must

04:41:03.400 --> 04:41:05.880
give the full picture we must give them

04:41:05.959 --> 04:41:08.840
all the information not just the

04:41:08.919 --> 04:41:10.919
selective

04:41:11.000 --> 04:41:13.360
information so I'm very supportive of

04:41:13.439 --> 04:41:15.680
these two I'm very supportive of

04:41:15.759 --> 04:41:18.080
informing our community and I think this

04:41:18.159 --> 04:41:20.599
goes even further to informing them and

04:41:20.680 --> 04:41:23.000
ensuring that they have all the

04:41:23.080 --> 04:41:26.080
information not just some of it thank

04:41:26.159 --> 04:41:27.279
you councilor

04:41:27.360 --> 04:41:30.799
Oxley councilor

04:41:31.439 --> 04:41:34.639
Davies I think if you look at um the sub

04:41:34.720 --> 04:41:37.959
categories under point one I'm not sure

04:41:38.040 --> 04:41:41.200
that any councilor here could say that

04:41:41.279 --> 04:41:44.279
they're in any way of no benefit to our

04:41:44.360 --> 04:41:46.959
community I think we all agree we need

04:41:47.040 --> 04:41:48.680
Council meetings the council information

04:41:48.759 --> 04:41:50.680
sessions the council events we put on

04:41:50.759 --> 04:41:52.159
the planning meetings with our Wards the

04:41:52.240 --> 04:41:53.599
workshops and training sessions the

04:41:53.680 --> 04:41:55.560
advisory committee and when our

04:41:55.639 --> 04:41:58.200
community groups invite us somewhere um

04:41:58.279 --> 04:42:00.040
you talking about why we might attend

04:42:00.119 --> 04:42:03.200
them every single subgroup there is

04:42:03.279 --> 04:42:05.680
important to our community so I don't

04:42:05.759 --> 04:42:08.919
really know why one category has to have

04:42:09.000 --> 04:42:10.639
an explanation as to why it should be

04:42:10.720 --> 04:42:13.200
more beneficial than all of the ones

04:42:13.279 --> 04:42:16.000
that are listed um and whether or not

04:42:16.080 --> 04:42:18.080
someone attends by Zoom or doesn't

04:42:18.159 --> 04:42:20.759
attend by Zoom I think I already flagged

04:42:20.840 --> 04:42:25.040
in my um first address that uh I

04:42:25.119 --> 04:42:27.880
recognize people have full-time jobs I

04:42:27.959 --> 04:42:29.479
recognize that people are trying to

04:42:29.560 --> 04:42:31.720
juggle things that uh there's actually

04:42:31.799 --> 04:42:34.159
nothing wrong with coming in Via Zoom I

04:42:34.240 --> 04:42:36.040
I don't I don't know where that's um

04:42:36.119 --> 04:42:37.840
been interpreted in any way because I

04:42:37.919 --> 04:42:41.000
never actually said that what I did ask

04:42:41.080 --> 04:42:43.400
was that we note when people had their

04:42:43.479 --> 04:42:46.959
cameras on or off and I also noted that

04:42:47.040 --> 04:42:49.520
there were often many technical reasons

04:42:49.599 --> 04:42:52.880
why people had their cameras off um but

04:42:52.959 --> 04:42:55.240
it's still important to note so no I

04:42:55.319 --> 04:42:56.799
won't be supporting this

04:42:56.880 --> 04:42:59.200
motion thank you and just a reminder if

04:42:59.279 --> 04:43:02.520
we could just focus on the amendment um

04:43:02.599 --> 04:43:05.040
the details in the amendment that be

04:43:05.119 --> 04:43:07.400
wonderful thank you councilors councilor

04:43:07.479 --> 04:43:10.680
Sab thank you thank you Madame mayor

04:43:10.759 --> 04:43:12.439
just really briefly i' just like to

04:43:12.520 --> 04:43:15.240
foreshadow um if this amendment is lost

04:43:15.319 --> 04:43:17.799
that um we're I'm seeking to remove

04:43:17.880 --> 04:43:21.639
Point 1G from the substantive motion um

04:43:21.720 --> 04:43:23.439
for that to be part of the initial

04:43:23.520 --> 04:43:25.040
debate so I just wanted to foreshadow

04:43:25.119 --> 04:43:26.599
that and then also foreshadow that I'll

04:43:26.680 --> 04:43:29.680
be putting this item to the vote um post

04:43:29.759 --> 04:43:31.520
my discussion and then putting the full

04:43:31.599 --> 04:43:33.639
motion to the vote post the removal of

04:43:33.720 --> 04:43:36.040
1G just foreshadowing that for now sorry

04:43:36.119 --> 04:43:37.479
councilor s could I just confirm you're

04:43:37.560 --> 04:43:40.119
foreshadowing the removal of 1G if the

04:43:40.200 --> 04:43:42.840
amendments are lost yeah correct and

04:43:42.919 --> 04:43:44.080
then sorry could you repeat the second

04:43:44.159 --> 04:43:45.200
and then I'll be fores shutting that I'm

04:43:45.279 --> 04:43:46.560
putting a procedural motion that I'll

04:43:46.639 --> 04:43:48.240
put this amendment to the vote once I

04:43:48.319 --> 04:43:50.680
conclude discussing my points okay and

04:43:50.759 --> 04:43:52.080
then putting the substantive motion to

04:43:52.159 --> 04:43:53.200
the

04:43:53.279 --> 04:43:56.759
vote so just with respect to the

04:43:56.840 --> 04:43:59.439
amendment though um I just wanted to

04:43:59.520 --> 04:44:01.240
make comment I think specifically to

04:44:01.319 --> 04:44:03.400
point two it's really important that we

04:44:03.479 --> 04:44:06.279
have a well established set of processes

04:44:06.360 --> 04:44:07.840
when then when things like this are

04:44:07.919 --> 04:44:11.119
raised um and we've actually had advice

04:44:11.200 --> 04:44:12.520
on the processes that we've got the

04:44:12.599 --> 04:44:14.040
conduct processes that we've got the

04:44:14.119 --> 04:44:16.119
supportive networks that we've got um

04:44:16.200 --> 04:44:20.959
the access to um uh employment Employee

04:44:21.040 --> 04:44:23.040
Services assistance EAP Employee

04:44:23.119 --> 04:44:24.959
Assistance programs I forgot what it's

04:44:25.040 --> 04:44:27.799
called U but EAP um that councilors can

04:44:27.880 --> 04:44:29.680
access so there's a range of things that

04:44:29.759 --> 04:44:31.080
I would really recommend when things

04:44:31.159 --> 04:44:32.560
like that happen that we do follow those

04:44:32.639 --> 04:44:34.720
processes and I know those processes are

04:44:34.799 --> 04:44:37.279
well built because we've gotten much

04:44:37.360 --> 04:44:39.799
legal advice on whether or not that is

04:44:39.880 --> 04:44:41.919
in fact correct um so I would just

04:44:42.000 --> 04:44:43.520
recommend that we we do follow those

04:44:43.599 --> 04:44:45.279
processes and do try to support

04:44:45.360 --> 04:44:47.279
councilors this should be an environment

04:44:47.360 --> 04:44:48.639
where it is collaborative I know that's

04:44:48.720 --> 04:44:49.840
kind of been the tenant of what we've

04:44:49.919 --> 04:44:51.799
tried to achieve in this Council term

04:44:51.880 --> 04:44:53.279
that we are all coming to the table that

04:44:53.360 --> 04:44:56.599
we are as open to even uh disagreement

04:44:56.680 --> 04:44:58.159
as we can be so I just wanted to make

04:44:58.240 --> 04:45:00.680
that clear that that is the intention um

04:45:00.759 --> 04:45:02.639
I won't be supporting this amendment

04:45:02.720 --> 04:45:04.279
we've already discussed point one in a

04:45:04.360 --> 04:45:05.840
previous notice a motion it wasn't well

04:45:05.919 --> 04:45:08.080
supported or adopted um this is in

04:45:08.159 --> 04:45:09.560
essence the similar thing so I wouldn't

04:45:09.639 --> 04:45:10.720
be supporting it then for the same

04:45:10.799 --> 04:45:12.040
reasons I didn't support the original

04:45:12.119 --> 04:45:14.919
notice a motion um and point two like I

04:45:15.000 --> 04:45:17.919
said I I really do put that through to

04:45:18.000 --> 04:45:19.439
the processes that we've got in place to

04:45:19.520 --> 04:45:20.919
support councilors when we need to when

04:45:21.000 --> 04:45:23.240
we do have an actual guideline of how

04:45:23.319 --> 04:45:25.279
that should follow so that's just uh my

04:45:25.360 --> 04:45:28.240
my comments thank you thank you and I

04:45:28.319 --> 04:45:29.560
just like to put that to the vote the

04:45:29.639 --> 04:45:33.000
amendment thank you councilor sa so uh

04:45:33.080 --> 04:45:34.759
the request for the procedural motion to

04:45:34.840 --> 04:45:36.720
put this item to the vote I'm confirming

04:45:36.799 --> 04:45:38.599
I'll require a mover in the second so

04:45:38.680 --> 04:45:40.799
the Mover is councilor sa and the second

04:45:40.880 --> 04:45:44.319
is councilor Davies I'll ask all

04:45:44.400 --> 04:45:46.279
councilors voting in favour of a

04:45:46.360 --> 04:45:47.919
procedural motion to put the amendment

04:45:48.000 --> 04:45:50.599
to the vote to raise your

04:45:50.680 --> 04:45:54.759
hand six thank you for six and then

04:45:54.840 --> 04:45:59.759
against one or two okay so that has been

04:45:59.840 --> 04:46:03.439
um carried so I am now able to put the

04:46:03.520 --> 04:46:05.119
amendment to the vote which we've agreed

04:46:05.200 --> 04:46:07.959
that we'll do in parts please catch me

04:46:08.040 --> 04:46:11.240
if I'm doing yeah thank you so um that

04:46:11.319 --> 04:46:13.680
means uh the agreement uh to put it in

04:46:13.759 --> 04:46:15.560
parts councilors I'll ask you to

04:46:15.639 --> 04:46:18.799
consider the amendment there number one

04:46:18.880 --> 04:46:22.360
all of those in favour please raise your

04:46:22.439 --> 04:46:27.119
hands four uh all of those

04:46:27.680 --> 04:46:31.240
against all those

04:46:31.599 --> 04:46:34.360
abstaining thank you I declare that loss

04:46:34.439 --> 04:46:36.799
and a division has been called so I'll

04:46:36.880 --> 04:46:38.840
ask again all those in favour to please

04:46:38.919 --> 04:46:42.479
stand Mark your

04:46:42.560 --> 04:46:47.639
names councilor Eden and councilor

04:46:48.759 --> 04:46:53.959
Oxley and I just realized sorry okay so

04:46:54.040 --> 04:46:55.759
just I'm gonna try that again so

04:46:55.840 --> 04:46:57.240
councilor Eden and councel oxa you've

04:46:57.319 --> 04:46:58.560
stood is there anyone else wanting to

04:46:58.639 --> 04:46:59.720
stand in

04:46:59.799 --> 04:47:03.040
favour okay thank you uh all those

04:47:03.119 --> 04:47:05.439
against item number one of this

04:47:05.520 --> 04:47:06.919
amendment please stand thank you

04:47:07.000 --> 04:47:10.159
councilor stacos thank you councilor

04:47:10.240 --> 04:47:12.200
Sab councilor

04:47:12.279 --> 04:47:15.319
Davies councilor

04:47:15.400 --> 04:47:17.880
Hill and all those

04:47:17.959 --> 04:47:23.159
abstaining councilor Cochran councilor

04:47:25.959 --> 04:47:28.680
Beasley and U May dve

04:47:28.759 --> 04:47:30.400
Burns thank

04:47:30.479 --> 04:47:34.560
you and so um that division I'll declare

04:47:34.639 --> 04:47:39.000
that lost okay we'll now put item two to

04:47:39.080 --> 04:47:41.799
the vote um so I'll ask all those in

04:47:41.880 --> 04:47:43.840
favour of item two on the screen to

04:47:43.919 --> 04:47:46.520
please raise your

04:47:46.599 --> 04:47:48.959
hand thank you councilors all those

04:47:49.040 --> 04:47:50.919
against please raise your

04:47:51.000 --> 04:47:54.959
hand two thank you and all of those

04:47:55.040 --> 04:47:57.880
abstaining oh that's four so I declare

04:47:57.959 --> 04:48:00.279
that

04:48:00.880 --> 04:48:04.520
lost thank you councilor so with a thank

04:48:04.599 --> 04:48:06.599
you a division has been called on um

04:48:06.680 --> 04:48:09.360
point two so I'll ask all those in favour

04:48:09.439 --> 04:48:12.799
of point two of the amendment to please

04:48:12.880 --> 04:48:16.520
stand councilor Eden and councilor Oxley

04:48:16.599 --> 04:48:19.680
thank you all of those are against to

04:48:19.759 --> 04:48:21.759
please

04:48:21.840 --> 04:48:25.400
stand councilor Davies councilor stacos

04:48:25.479 --> 04:48:28.479
thank you and all of those

04:48:28.560 --> 04:48:31.040
abstaining councilor Sab councilor

04:48:31.119 --> 04:48:33.400
belzley councilor Hill and councilor

04:48:33.479 --> 04:48:36.000
Cochran

04:48:37.639 --> 04:48:40.439
and myself sorry thank you governance

04:48:40.520 --> 04:48:43.200
I'm keeping a very close eye on the time

04:48:43.279 --> 04:48:44.360
okay so we've now dealt with the

04:48:44.439 --> 04:48:48.200
amendment in parts and I declare that um

04:48:48.279 --> 04:48:51.279
sorry lost thank you as I foreshadowed

04:48:51.360 --> 04:48:53.080
I'd just like to put this substantive

04:48:53.159 --> 04:48:56.119
motion with Point 1G removed to the

04:48:56.200 --> 04:49:01.119
vote thank you um I will just um just

04:49:01.200 --> 04:49:02.479
confirm with governance

04:49:02.560 --> 04:49:05.400
ick so um councilor Davis you agree to

04:49:05.479 --> 04:49:11.319
1G being removed councilor sa agrees so

04:49:12.520 --> 04:49:16.000
um do I need to proced okay so councilor

04:49:16.080 --> 04:49:17.439
sa you've moved a procedural motion to

04:49:17.520 --> 04:49:18.560
put this item to the vote thank you

04:49:18.639 --> 04:49:21.560
everyone for your patience

04:49:32.919 --> 04:49:34.840
I'm

04:49:34.919 --> 04:49:37.159
AC okay thank you Council OA you're

04:49:37.240 --> 04:49:39.759
asking for the amendment for 1G to be

04:49:39.840 --> 04:49:41.639
removed to be recorded in the minutes is

04:49:41.720 --> 04:49:43.360
that correct yep so I just check

04:49:43.439 --> 04:49:45.240
governance thank you very much for

04:49:45.319 --> 04:49:47.720
clarifying that um and thank you for

04:49:47.799 --> 04:49:49.479
that pick up I really appreciate it

04:49:49.560 --> 04:49:53.479
we'll just get governance to capture

04:49:53.560 --> 04:49:56.959
that so the Mover and the

04:49:57.040 --> 04:50:00.040
second

04:50:01.639 --> 04:50:05.840
motion remve point

04:50:06.080 --> 04:50:07.919
one one G I might get you to add if you

04:50:08.000 --> 04:50:11.159
don't mind governance thank

04:50:14.599 --> 04:50:16.080
you

04:50:16.159 --> 04:50:19.720
okay good okay and now we will deal with

04:50:19.799 --> 04:50:21.880
the procedural motion that Council sa is

04:50:21.959 --> 04:50:24.799
putting to put this matter to the vote

04:50:24.880 --> 04:50:26.759
do we have a seconder for this

04:50:26.840 --> 04:50:28.200
procedural motion to put it to the vote

04:50:28.279 --> 04:50:30.680
councilor

04:50:32.840 --> 04:50:35.599
Bley

04:50:35.680 --> 04:50:38.119
I'll ask councilors if you could raise

04:50:38.200 --> 04:50:39.520
your hand if you're in favour of the

04:50:39.599 --> 04:50:40.959
procedural motion to put this item to

04:50:41.040 --> 04:50:43.119
the vote to please raise your hand

04:50:43.200 --> 04:50:45.240
that's one two three four five six thank

04:50:45.319 --> 04:50:48.360
you and those against okay I declare

04:50:48.439 --> 04:50:49.840
that that has been carried we can now

04:50:49.919 --> 04:50:51.400
put this item to the

04:50:51.479 --> 04:50:55.279
vote we'll just get that captured thank

04:50:55.360 --> 04:50:57.560
you

04:51:02.240 --> 04:51:04.520
governance excellent we now put this

04:51:04.599 --> 04:51:06.840
substantive motion I'll ask all those in

04:51:06.919 --> 04:51:09.680
favour to please raise your

04:51:09.759 --> 04:51:14.000
hands 1 2 3 four five six four thank you

04:51:14.080 --> 04:51:16.919
those against and those

04:51:17.000 --> 04:51:21.119
abstaining thank you I declare that

04:51:22.799 --> 04:51:24.840
carried division thank you councilor

04:51:24.919 --> 04:51:26.759
Davy sorry I didn't hear that I'll call

04:51:26.840 --> 04:51:30.439
a division I'll ask those in favour of

04:51:30.520 --> 04:51:32.080
the substantive motion to please stand

04:51:32.159 --> 04:51:34.439
and I'll mark your names off um

04:51:34.520 --> 04:51:37.400
councilor stos councilor sa councilor

04:51:37.479 --> 04:51:41.479
Beasley councilor Hill councilor Davies

04:51:41.560 --> 04:51:44.040
councilor

04:51:44.119 --> 04:51:47.840
Cochran thank you and all those

04:51:47.919 --> 04:51:50.919
against and all those

04:51:51.000 --> 04:51:54.560
abstaining councilor Eden councilor

04:51:54.639 --> 04:51:57.560
Oxley and may Davey

04:51:57.639 --> 04:52:00.840
Burns so

04:52:01.400 --> 04:52:03.680
sorry just one moment Cel oy didn't

04:52:03.759 --> 04:52:05.319
quite he you so I will declare that that

04:52:05.400 --> 04:52:08.000
division that was called shows that it

04:52:08.080 --> 04:52:10.040
was carried and sorry Council oy did you

04:52:10.119 --> 04:52:12.959
have a question through to

04:52:13.040 --> 04:52:17.959
governance 12:15 till 12:15

04:52:18.479 --> 04:52:22.919
yeah so councilor is just one

04:52:32.639 --> 04:52:35.639
moment

04:52:37.560 --> 04:52:41.119
Y and then I can move into

04:52:41.200 --> 04:52:43.360
caed and then we man it the meeting if

04:52:43.439 --> 04:52:45.759
we do all right councilors I'm going to

04:52:45.840 --> 04:52:48.919
call for a um procedural motion to move

04:52:49.000 --> 04:52:50.000
item

04:52:50.080 --> 04:52:53.119
14.1 forward in the agenda that's the

04:52:53.200 --> 04:52:55.720
way I put it um which will require us

04:52:55.799 --> 04:52:57.200
also to move into camera just alerting

04:52:57.279 --> 04:53:00.799
you to that fact

04:53:02.560 --> 04:53:05.040
um

04:53:05.119 --> 04:53:07.360
we do yes and they're very welcome to

04:53:07.439 --> 04:53:09.639
return

04:53:09.720 --> 04:53:12.119
um council is the other option if you'd

04:53:12.200 --> 04:53:13.279
prefer it is that I will moove a

04:53:13.360 --> 04:53:14.680
procedural motion to just extend the

04:53:14.759 --> 04:53:17.240
meeting by another half an hour so I'll

04:53:17.319 --> 04:53:18.880
certainly put both options forward for

04:53:18.959 --> 04:53:22.040
you we just do need to resolve 14.1

04:53:22.119 --> 04:53:25.759
tonight it's a time sensitive matter so

04:53:25.840 --> 04:53:27.319
councilors if one of you could let me

04:53:27.400 --> 04:53:29.959
know um whether you'd like to move for

04:53:30.040 --> 04:53:31.759
14.1 to be brought forward or you'd like

04:53:31.840 --> 04:53:33.959
to move for an extension of time I will

04:53:34.040 --> 04:53:36.639
be led by the

04:53:36.720 --> 04:53:38.959
floor councilor stos has moved an

04:53:39.040 --> 04:53:41.279
extension of time do I have a second up

04:53:41.360 --> 04:53:45.200
thank you councilor basley

04:53:45.279 --> 04:53:48.599
I'll I'll put uh the procedural motion

04:53:48.680 --> 04:53:50.639
moved by councilor stos and seconded by

04:53:50.720 --> 04:53:52.119
councilor bizley to extend the meeting

04:53:52.200 --> 04:53:54.520
by 30 minutes to the vote all those in

04:53:54.599 --> 04:53:58.479
favour four thank you to the gallery all

04:53:58.560 --> 04:53:59.959
right thank you we have extended the

04:54:00.040 --> 04:54:01.560
meeting wonderful that means we can

04:54:01.639 --> 04:54:03.880
return to a final notice of motion for

04:54:03.959 --> 04:54:06.959
this evening which is item 12.5 Council

04:54:07.040 --> 04:54:09.119
sa morban Activity Center just move the

04:54:09.200 --> 04:54:10.599
motion as it appears on the screen thank

04:54:10.680 --> 04:54:12.639
you thank you councilor Sab do we have a

04:54:12.720 --> 04:54:14.720
seconder thank you councilor Davies

04:54:14.799 --> 04:54:17.080
councilor Sab thank you Madame mayor

04:54:17.159 --> 04:54:18.840
I'll be very quick with this one it

04:54:18.919 --> 04:54:20.400
doesn't I don't believe this requires

04:54:20.479 --> 04:54:22.919
any um extensive debate I just firstly

04:54:23.000 --> 04:54:26.159
want to thank um our CI our city

04:54:26.240 --> 04:54:28.520
strategy team and our planning team and

04:54:28.599 --> 04:54:29.919
all of the extensive work that they've

04:54:30.000 --> 04:54:31.240
done to get us to the point that we are

04:54:31.319 --> 04:54:33.599
with moravan Center Activity Center um

04:54:33.680 --> 04:54:35.759
we are really well placed and testament

04:54:35.840 --> 04:54:37.639
to that is the fact that through plan

04:54:37.720 --> 04:54:40.119
Victoria the minister for planning um

04:54:40.200 --> 04:54:42.080
the department of planning um and all

04:54:42.159 --> 04:54:43.319
the other planning authorities that we

04:54:43.400 --> 04:54:45.000
deal with have looked at moravan

04:54:45.080 --> 04:54:46.439
activity center and recognized that

04:54:46.520 --> 04:54:48.200
we're so forward thinking in the way

04:54:48.279 --> 04:54:51.000
that we set out these strategies um that

04:54:51.080 --> 04:54:54.520
they've uh decided to uh point out morab

04:54:54.599 --> 04:54:57.080
in as a future destination for growth a

04:54:57.159 --> 04:54:58.520
significant growth of the 10 suburbs

04:54:58.599 --> 04:55:00.400
that they've located and in fact even

04:55:00.479 --> 04:55:02.439
beyond that they have articulated to us

04:55:02.520 --> 04:55:04.159
that they're really pushing forward with

04:55:04.240 --> 04:55:06.720
morab and one of the other 10 um so two

04:55:06.799 --> 04:55:09.159
of the 10 um as centers that are so well

04:55:09.240 --> 04:55:10.439
advanced in their planning and their

04:55:10.520 --> 04:55:13.240
strategy that um they they almost use it

04:55:13.319 --> 04:55:16.959
as uh the test for what they then roll

04:55:17.040 --> 04:55:18.360
out to the rest of the state and I think

04:55:18.439 --> 04:55:20.439
that's a real Testament to the work that

04:55:20.520 --> 04:55:22.360
um the Innovative work that our team has

04:55:22.439 --> 04:55:24.360
done what I'm really calling for here

04:55:24.439 --> 04:55:26.560
though is that uh there has been

04:55:26.639 --> 04:55:29.240
significant changes in Morin we know

04:55:29.319 --> 04:55:31.200
through um the S and rail Loop stuff

04:55:31.279 --> 04:55:32.240
that's happening through the level

04:55:32.319 --> 04:55:34.720
crossing removals in neighboring areas

04:55:34.799 --> 04:55:36.000
um through all the extensive

04:55:36.080 --> 04:55:38.080
applications large scale buildings the

04:55:38.159 --> 04:55:39.520
Morin of today is not the same as the

04:55:39.599 --> 04:55:41.200
morbin of 5 years ago it's definitely

04:55:41.279 --> 04:55:42.639
not the same as the marabon of 10 years

04:55:42.720 --> 04:55:45.840
ago um we've got amazing businesses down

04:55:45.919 --> 04:55:48.240
there that are thriving one of our uh

04:55:48.319 --> 04:55:50.200
really fantastic businesses even got a

04:55:50.279 --> 04:55:53.400
hat um and that's a claim I guess to the

04:55:53.479 --> 04:55:55.919
fact that there is really good quality

04:55:56.000 --> 04:55:58.000
um of vendors down there and it's

04:55:58.080 --> 04:56:00.520
changing uh I know there's a robo Diner

04:56:00.599 --> 04:56:02.520
that's about to open up I just it's just

04:56:02.599 --> 04:56:03.799
elements of that with got St Kilda

04:56:03.880 --> 04:56:05.119
football club there we've invested

04:56:05.200 --> 04:56:07.240
really heavily in connectivity and

04:56:07.319 --> 04:56:08.840
wayfinding um we're looking at

04:56:08.919 --> 04:56:10.520
developing an arts and culture Precinct

04:56:10.599 --> 04:56:12.520
in our town hall there's a lot happening

04:56:12.599 --> 04:56:14.240
in Moran there's a lot happening and

04:56:14.319 --> 04:56:15.599
what I really wanted to do was just to

04:56:15.680 --> 04:56:17.759
make sure that we almost update our

04:56:17.840 --> 04:56:19.880
plans and make a reference to the fact

04:56:19.959 --> 04:56:21.599
that so much has happened in morbin from

04:56:21.680 --> 04:56:23.240
when we adopted our initial Urban Design

04:56:23.319 --> 04:56:25.319
Frameworks our eastern western precincts

04:56:25.400 --> 04:56:28.880
of morbin um and do a little bit beyond

04:56:28.959 --> 04:56:30.799
that as well as commit to the Department

04:56:30.880 --> 04:56:32.799
of Transport and planning um and to the

04:56:32.880 --> 04:56:34.159
Victorian planning authority to

04:56:34.240 --> 04:56:36.680
incorporate the outcomes um of those

04:56:36.759 --> 04:56:38.959
plans into schedule three of our

04:56:39.040 --> 04:56:40.479
Activity Center Zone in the planning

04:56:40.560 --> 04:56:42.040
scheme so that's another item that we're

04:56:42.119 --> 04:56:43.200
trying to push for what we really want

04:56:43.279 --> 04:56:44.639
to do is cement that there's a lot

04:56:44.720 --> 04:56:46.680
that's changed in morbin and we want to

04:56:46.759 --> 04:56:48.200
get ahead of that we want to get ahead

04:56:48.279 --> 04:56:50.000
of that for when new applications come

04:56:50.080 --> 04:56:52.000
for when new developments come that we

04:56:52.080 --> 04:56:54.560
have a vision of the future of morbin

04:56:54.639 --> 04:56:57.520
and that is better connectivity from St

04:56:57.599 --> 04:56:59.360
Kilda to the train station from the

04:56:59.439 --> 04:57:01.000
shopping businesses to the train station

04:57:01.080 --> 04:57:03.400
from the activity center where uh City

04:57:03.479 --> 04:57:05.319
Hall is to the businesses we just want

04:57:05.400 --> 04:57:06.720
to make sure that we've got a holistic

04:57:06.799 --> 04:57:08.439
map of what moravan is going to look

04:57:08.520 --> 04:57:10.080
like into the future and that's what I'm

04:57:10.159 --> 04:57:13.400
hoping to achieve here um we also want

04:57:13.479 --> 04:57:15.040
to make sure that all of the traffic

04:57:15.119 --> 04:57:16.680
that flows through there the rat runs

04:57:16.759 --> 04:57:18.919
that might happen the opportunities for

04:57:19.000 --> 04:57:21.159
um Jasper road to flow into to Safeway

04:57:21.240 --> 04:57:23.159
to the Woolworths that all of that stuff

04:57:23.240 --> 04:57:25.159
is properly planned for uh and that we

04:57:25.240 --> 04:57:26.639
can achieve it so that's what I'm hoping

04:57:26.720 --> 04:57:27.919
to achieve here I really don't think

04:57:28.000 --> 04:57:30.200
it's a very controversial one um but I

04:57:30.279 --> 04:57:32.479
do hope it gets supported by uh my

04:57:32.560 --> 04:57:34.479
councilor colleag colleagues tonight um

04:57:34.560 --> 04:57:36.000
this is really something that we can all

04:57:36.080 --> 04:57:38.680
put our stamp on when we look into Morin

04:57:38.759 --> 04:57:40.360
in a few years time in a decade's time

04:57:40.439 --> 04:57:42.240
and we think we were part we were

04:57:42.319 --> 04:57:43.880
instrumental in the transformation of

04:57:43.959 --> 04:57:45.479
seeing moravan become such a beautiful

04:57:45.560 --> 04:57:47.159
bustling area that's got all of the

04:57:47.240 --> 04:57:48.599
social affordable outcomes that we want

04:57:48.680 --> 04:57:50.479
the housing outcomes that we want um as

04:57:50.560 --> 04:57:52.000
well as the connectivity the green Open

04:57:52.080 --> 04:57:54.040
Spaces the communal spaces I'm very

04:57:54.119 --> 04:57:55.599
passionate about morabit but I just

04:57:55.680 --> 04:57:56.840
think there's a lot of opportunity for

04:57:56.919 --> 04:57:59.119
us here thank you thank you councilor sa

04:57:59.200 --> 04:58:00.279
councilor

04:58:00.360 --> 04:58:03.599
Davies your reserve councilor are there

04:58:03.680 --> 04:58:05.599
any objections to this notice of motion

04:58:05.680 --> 04:58:08.759
or anyone who like to speak Council

04:58:08.840 --> 04:58:11.319
Oxley thank you and that all sounds

04:58:11.400 --> 04:58:13.479
wonderful and there's some fantastic

04:58:13.560 --> 04:58:15.919
things that will be coming to Morin but

04:58:16.000 --> 04:58:17.919
I'm a little skeptical and I'm a little

04:58:18.000 --> 04:58:20.520
skeptical because of this one of the

04:58:20.599 --> 04:58:22.080
Clauses that came out of the housing

04:58:22.159 --> 04:58:24.240
statement was speedier approvals for

04:58:24.319 --> 04:58:25.840
significant housing developments that

04:58:25.919 --> 04:58:27.759
have a certified cost in Metropolitan

04:58:27.840 --> 04:58:29.159
Melbourne or outside of Metropolitan

04:58:29.240 --> 04:58:31.319
Melbourne are 50 million and 15

04:58:31.400 --> 04:58:33.639
million under this pathway a responsible

04:58:33.720 --> 04:58:35.159
Authority is not bound by the minimum

04:58:35.240 --> 04:58:36.840
Garden area requirements Building height

04:58:36.919 --> 04:58:38.479
or setback requirements whether they be

04:58:38.560 --> 04:58:40.560
discretionary or mandatory or a

04:58:40.639 --> 04:58:42.400
condition opposite a use in section two

04:58:42.479 --> 04:58:45.560
of The Zone and some planning gble there

04:58:45.639 --> 04:58:48.040
third party rights are removed but the

04:58:48.119 --> 04:58:49.639
views of the office of the Victorian

04:58:49.720 --> 04:58:51.240
government architect must be considered

04:58:51.319 --> 04:58:51.919
as

04:58:52.000 --> 04:58:54.080
appropriate a key requirement of this

04:58:54.159 --> 04:58:55.799
Clause is that 10% of the dwellings must

04:58:55.880 --> 04:58:58.080
be affordable housing it then goes

04:58:58.159 --> 04:59:00.159
through the incentives of the pathway

04:59:00.240 --> 04:59:02.520
are increased development potential

04:59:02.599 --> 04:59:04.400
beyond the specified height and setback

04:59:04.479 --> 04:59:06.919
Provisions shorter approval time frame

04:59:07.000 --> 04:59:10.080
and the minister is the responsible

04:59:10.159 --> 04:59:12.880
Authority I have to say I'm not sure

04:59:12.959 --> 04:59:14.119
that that's a good

04:59:14.200 --> 04:59:17.479
thing third party rights are removed

04:59:17.560 --> 04:59:20.000
meaning that the community who object

04:59:20.080 --> 04:59:22.319
can't appeal at to

04:59:22.400 --> 04:59:25.360
vcap I'm not sure that's a good thing

04:59:25.439 --> 04:59:27.279
either these are the types of things

04:59:27.360 --> 04:59:29.000
that happen there's some wonderful

04:59:29.080 --> 04:59:30.599
things that I think that will come from

04:59:30.680 --> 04:59:33.959
this but there's also some consequences

04:59:34.040 --> 04:59:35.439
from it I was going to call them

04:59:35.520 --> 04:59:37.040
unintended I'm not sure for the

04:59:37.119 --> 04:59:38.319
government they are unintended

04:59:38.400 --> 04:59:41.240
consequences it takes away council's

04:59:41.319 --> 04:59:44.880
ability to decide for our local

04:59:44.959 --> 04:59:47.319
community that we are the closest level

04:59:47.400 --> 04:59:49.720
of government to the planning outcomes

04:59:49.799 --> 04:59:51.599
that we would like to achieve and I get

04:59:51.680 --> 04:59:54.840
that there are parts of this that see us

04:59:54.919 --> 04:59:56.799
have input into a number of different

04:59:56.880 --> 04:59:59.200
areas in terms of the public realm Works

04:59:59.279 --> 05:00:01.520
in terms of a number of different parts

05:00:01.599 --> 05:00:03.000
but fundamentally from what the

05:00:03.080 --> 05:00:05.119
community see as planning outcomes they

05:00:05.200 --> 05:00:06.560
get less of a say they get more

05:00:06.639 --> 05:00:09.040
development some areas may be great in

05:00:09.119 --> 05:00:11.599
Moran I'm not sure I'm not sure that

05:00:11.680 --> 05:00:13.720
point one is also a good thing for us to

05:00:13.799 --> 05:00:16.240
do expressing our support for Moran

05:00:16.319 --> 05:00:18.279
being identified as part of what I've

05:00:18.360 --> 05:00:20.200
just read out so I won't be supporting

05:00:20.279 --> 05:00:22.119
this motion this evening thank you

05:00:22.200 --> 05:00:23.479
councilor

05:00:23.560 --> 05:00:25.759
Oxley any other councilors wishing to

05:00:25.840 --> 05:00:28.560
speak to this

05:00:31.240 --> 05:00:33.720
item Council SA you'd like to sorry

05:00:33.799 --> 05:00:35.599
councilor stos did you wish to speak

05:00:35.680 --> 05:00:39.680
sorry thank you um I do think that um

05:00:39.759 --> 05:00:43.840
the council has made uh a number of

05:00:43.919 --> 05:00:47.520
attempts over the years um to work with

05:00:47.599 --> 05:00:50.799
the Victorian planning Authority and um

05:00:50.880 --> 05:00:52.919
now that they've been given significant

05:00:53.000 --> 05:00:55.599
new powers under the um the new

05:00:55.680 --> 05:00:58.119
initiatives of the state government um

05:00:58.200 --> 05:00:59.919
and they'll be coming back to Kingston

05:01:00.000 --> 05:01:03.639
to do the work um in morab um it is

05:01:03.720 --> 05:01:06.279
important that we set out um a Clear

05:01:06.360 --> 05:01:08.759
Vision um I know that this isn't going

05:01:08.840 --> 05:01:13.479
to be um the only area in which the uh

05:01:13.560 --> 05:01:16.680
state government is going to have uh a

05:01:16.759 --> 05:01:20.159
quite a significant um impact on

05:01:20.240 --> 05:01:23.520
planning um in our community um there's

05:01:23.599 --> 05:01:26.799
going to also be uh an impact on in the

05:01:26.880 --> 05:01:29.680
1.6 km radius around chelham which we've

05:01:29.759 --> 05:01:31.759
seen gazetted but what we actually

05:01:31.840 --> 05:01:34.240
haven't seen yet what the vpa have in

05:01:34.319 --> 05:01:37.319
store um for moravan so I think it is

05:01:37.400 --> 05:01:40.439
important for us to get on the front

05:01:40.520 --> 05:01:42.919
foot um to be a proactive councils there

05:01:43.000 --> 05:01:45.560
have been 10 precincts of this nature

05:01:45.639 --> 05:01:48.159
across Melbourne identified and um we

05:01:48.240 --> 05:01:50.560
are one of them in fact I think out of

05:01:50.639 --> 05:01:54.720
all of the whole JM area um which is six

05:01:54.799 --> 05:01:57.880
I think it's eight councils in our area

05:01:57.959 --> 05:02:02.119
there's um there's only I think one um

05:02:02.200 --> 05:02:04.639
in that zone own so I think this is a

05:02:04.720 --> 05:02:07.840
really big opportunity for us um to make

05:02:07.919 --> 05:02:10.520
sure that we're helping steer the

05:02:10.599 --> 05:02:13.799
direction if we can um in in the way

05:02:13.880 --> 05:02:17.639
that will um align uh with council's

05:02:17.720 --> 05:02:18.959
vision from

05:02:19.040 --> 05:02:22.279
morabit thank you councilor

05:02:22.360 --> 05:02:24.319
stos I don't believe any other

05:02:24.400 --> 05:02:25.880
councilors wish to speak to this matter

05:02:25.959 --> 05:02:27.840
so I'll ask councel S if you'd like to

05:02:27.919 --> 05:02:32.919
close thank you thank you um thank you C

05:02:33.000 --> 05:02:35.520
stos that's that is exactly the comments

05:02:35.599 --> 05:02:37.080
he made for exactly the intent is that

05:02:37.159 --> 05:02:39.040
we get on the front foot of this and we

05:02:39.119 --> 05:02:41.000
start to map out what the future plan is

05:02:41.080 --> 05:02:42.639
and what the council's actual vision is

05:02:42.720 --> 05:02:44.000
now that we know that all these changes

05:02:44.080 --> 05:02:46.080
are here and thank you to council Oxley

05:02:46.159 --> 05:02:47.680
as well because those comments are

05:02:47.759 --> 05:02:49.680
actually of concern as well we do we

05:02:49.759 --> 05:02:51.080
still don't know the details of what

05:02:51.159 --> 05:02:55.279
that actually looks like in depth um but

05:02:55.360 --> 05:02:57.119
unfortunately we are in this position

05:02:57.200 --> 05:02:59.040
where it has been announced it's it's

05:02:59.119 --> 05:03:00.240
clear that this is the direction they're

05:03:00.319 --> 05:03:02.680
moving in um and what we can do to

05:03:02.759 --> 05:03:04.360
influence change is make sure that we

05:03:04.439 --> 05:03:06.360
are coming in as a collaborative partner

05:03:06.439 --> 05:03:08.639
and point four of this notice motion

05:03:08.720 --> 05:03:10.880
actually talks to specifically trying to

05:03:10.959 --> 05:03:12.400
seek direct commitment from the

05:03:12.479 --> 05:03:14.880
Victorian government um to work with

05:03:14.959 --> 05:03:17.240
Council to provide support to further

05:03:17.319 --> 05:03:19.520
enable outcomes including way finding

05:03:19.599 --> 05:03:21.319
through the center enhancements to the

05:03:21.400 --> 05:03:23.560
arterial Road Network creation of new

05:03:23.639 --> 05:03:25.520
community community spaces and communal

05:03:25.599 --> 05:03:29.040
spaces incorporation of public art um

05:03:29.119 --> 05:03:31.159
facilitating sustainable transport

05:03:31.240 --> 05:03:32.560
providing affordable housing and

05:03:32.639 --> 05:03:33.799
strategic capital investment into the

05:03:33.880 --> 05:03:35.319
iconic Kingston City Hall and Kingston

05:03:35.400 --> 05:03:36.759
Art Center those are actually all the

05:03:36.840 --> 05:03:38.119
core tenants of what we really want to

05:03:38.200 --> 05:03:39.959
achieve in morabit so what we're trying

05:03:40.040 --> 05:03:42.080
to do is seek a commitment from them

05:03:42.159 --> 05:03:44.040
that they agree with this vision and if

05:03:44.119 --> 05:03:45.360
that isn't the case then we are doing

05:03:45.439 --> 05:03:47.479
the groundwork now to start building

05:03:47.560 --> 05:03:49.959
proof and have the data back to backing

05:03:50.040 --> 05:03:52.159
us that this is what we need to do so

05:03:52.240 --> 05:03:53.639
when we do have applications come in

05:03:53.720 --> 05:03:55.919
when we do have the ministerial uh

05:03:56.000 --> 05:03:57.240
Intervention when we do have other

05:03:57.319 --> 05:03:59.360
authority authorities that become the

05:03:59.439 --> 05:04:02.159
the key decision Authority um that they

05:04:02.240 --> 05:04:03.840
can see what the Future Vision is and

05:04:03.919 --> 05:04:05.279
they agree with that Future Vision

05:04:05.360 --> 05:04:06.759
that's what we're trying to achieve here

05:04:06.840 --> 05:04:08.520
and I've got look like I said earlier

05:04:08.599 --> 05:04:10.279
and we spoke to it very briefly this is

05:04:10.360 --> 05:04:12.360
the plan Victoria the 2050 plan Victoria

05:04:12.439 --> 05:04:13.400
the first set of the documents that

05:04:13.479 --> 05:04:15.319
they're trying to achieve a lot of the

05:04:15.400 --> 05:04:17.159
things that they're calling out for here

05:04:17.240 --> 05:04:19.159
are actually the key pillars of what we

05:04:19.240 --> 05:04:21.200
want to achieve as well in our own City

05:04:21.279 --> 05:04:22.959
but what's really good is that they want

05:04:23.040 --> 05:04:24.200
Council to come to the table and

05:04:24.279 --> 05:04:26.720
collaborate with us not have a plan that

05:04:26.799 --> 05:04:28.840
is designed by another Authority they

05:04:28.919 --> 05:04:30.639
want us to be part of that plan and this

05:04:30.720 --> 05:04:32.959
is a way for us to enable that that's

05:04:33.040 --> 05:04:35.680
what I see um so I'm I'm really glad

05:04:35.759 --> 05:04:37.319
that we can move forward with this thank

05:04:37.400 --> 05:04:39.200
you thank you councilor s councilors

05:04:39.279 --> 05:04:41.040
I'll ask all those in favour to please

05:04:41.119 --> 05:04:43.560
raise their

05:04:44.840 --> 05:04:47.560
hand thank you all those

05:04:47.639 --> 05:04:50.799
against and all those

05:04:50.880 --> 05:04:54.759
abstaining I declare that carried thank

05:04:54.840 --> 05:04:57.520
you councilors do we have any items of

05:04:57.599 --> 05:04:59.840
urgent

05:04:59.919 --> 05:05:04.360
business thank you

05:05:04.439 --> 05:05:06.759
I will um now just confirm that I'll ask

05:05:06.840 --> 05:05:09.040
for a procedural motion to move camera

05:05:09.119 --> 05:05:10.520
thank you councilors we've got councilor

05:05:10.599 --> 05:05:13.400
stos uh moving the procedural motion to

05:05:13.479 --> 05:05:16.240
move into camera do we have a second

05:05:16.319 --> 05:05:18.799
thank you councilor Cochran could I ask

05:05:18.880 --> 05:05:21.040
all councilors to raise their hand in

05:05:21.119 --> 05:05:22.639
favour of moving into camera to discuss

05:05:22.720 --> 05:05:24.000
this

05:05:24.080 --> 05:05:26.439
matter thank you thank you councilors

05:05:26.520 --> 05:05:28.159
I'll declare that

05:05:28.240 --> 05:05:31.400
carried thank you so um the meeting was

05:05:31.479 --> 05:05:34.479
now closed to members

05:05:41.080 --> 05:05:44.080
the