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at 7:00 on the dot which is very

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pleasing I know that we have a few

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people online who  like to keep it

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punctual so I'm pleased to report a 7

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P.M start

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time and I would like to start just by

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recognizing  and sharing with you I

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guess some of the learning journey that

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I have been on as  a member of this

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community in relation to our first

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nation's people and that learning

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journey is something that I'm really

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proud of and one that I engage in and

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have over my life and in acknowledging

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traditional custodians I wanted to share

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some research that I've been doing

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lately on the cool and seasons and 

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recognize that at the moment it's dry

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season so January and February our

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seasons where and the cooling calendar

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which has six seasons we'll see hot days

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not a lot of rainfall and interestingly

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butterflies which I'm sure lots of our

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residents have been seeing out and about

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cuz I certainly have so I'm recognizing

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traditional custodians of this country

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the Bunurung People I'd

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like to pay heartfelt respects to Elders

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past and present and I'd like to

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recognize any First Nations people

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joining us here in this meeting

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tonight I'd very much like to welcome

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our community some of whom are regulars

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it's wonderful to see you here every

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month in person and for those who are

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online really wonderful that you're also

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able to share your feedback afterwards

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so  have it on good word that we have

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a few MPS even join our meetings online

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 to see what we're up to here at Kingston

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Council because it's always

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interesting now I'm sure those of you

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who've been here before know that  we

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are recording the meeting but I'll just

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go through some of procedures because we

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do have some new people here on the

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chamber tonight and it's wonderful to

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see your faces here so this meeting is

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being recorded it's being streamed live

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on the internet and the recording will

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be archived and available on our website

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and we're also monitoring  this room

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with CCTV for safety we do take all of

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our care to make sure we maintain your

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privacy however your presence in the

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public gallery may lead  being

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included in that

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recording and  if you haven't been to

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our chamber before as I said welcome one

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of the things that we do ask  is that

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 participation in the debate is

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something that if you could refrain from

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just helps us keep our decision- making

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on track I know sometimes there can be

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some big feelings but we just really

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encourage you  to try and share those

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with the people next you  quietly so

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that we can  continue doing what we're

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doing here without too much disruption

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so I think we can  move on to the

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formal part of our agenda

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now and we have apologies  have been

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submitted so I'll just ask if

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we can have a motion councilors to

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accept the apologies from councilor Howe

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and councilor Staikos councilor Davies

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moving and second and councilor Saab I

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don't believe this matter requires

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debate so I'll put that matter to the

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vote all those in favour

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thank you councilors I'll just remind

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you that we oh unanimously fantastic

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great thank

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you on future votes I may just need you

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to raise your hands again so that we can

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record your vote thank you I declare

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that item has been

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carried we have the confirmation of

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minutes of previous

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meetings councilors do we have a motion

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thank you councilor Hill do we have a

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second of to accept the

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minutes councilor Saab thank

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you again I don't think we need any

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debate on this item so I'll just put it

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to the vote and ask all those in

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favour and we can declare that when 

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unanimously as well thank

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you councilors do we have any 

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conflicts of interest or any officers or

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contractors who'd like to declare a

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conflict of

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Interest no fantastic thank you we'll

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move on to item four which is petitions

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I believe that we've had one petition

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submitted so I'll ask thank you

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councilor

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Davies  thank you mayor JDB  I would

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like to present a petition from the

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Victorian Pride Lobby it's to establish

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an

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lgbtiqa subcommittee in Kingston  so I

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will  put that forward shortly it does

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have I understand 42 signatures  and I

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can say that people sometimes criticize

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Council for moving very very slowly and

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in this instance we're actually moving

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quickly because we are already in the

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process of creating that subcommittee

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which is pleasing to hear thank

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you thank you councilor Davies I'll just

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ask for a second of your motion thank

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you councilor

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Hill would any councilors like to

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discuss this

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matter

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thank you councilors councilor Davies do

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you wish to close no I'll now ask that

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this item is put to the vote and all

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those in

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favour thank you I declare that carried

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unanimously so that will be provided to

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our CEO for a

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response all right our next item is

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delegate

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reports or counselor

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statements councilor

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Oxley thank you I would like to give a

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report on the community connections

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Forum that I attended on Saturday

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January 20th and that was a very very

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well attended Forum with many of our

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passionate volunteers from the Chelsea

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Bonbeach Beach train station group and a

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huge thank you to them for running that

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For as well as members of our

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community who came along to share their

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ideas for Chelsea and I'm going to give

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a really really brief overview there was

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so much captured in the couple of hours

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that I spent with these passionate group

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of people but we spoke about why Chelsea

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needs help which included toilet access

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pedestrian crossings  no shelter  poor

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access  car parking access  lack of

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landscaping  no clear directional signage

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cleanliness  safety and fundamentally we

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came to the conclusion that Chelsea was

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just a little bit

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? we spoke about the positives of

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Chelsea and there are some shops being

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close for locals some level of

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landscaping multiple station entrances

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the community feel it being close to

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home the lift access to the station and

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some really good local shops we spoke

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about what people wanted from Chelsea

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and this one was very very clear a

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destination where people wanted to live

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where people wanted to be and be a part

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of our Beachside Community we then spoke

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about what we can do and this part was

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my favourite part because these are ideas

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directly from our community and I have a

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full report that's coming from the

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Chelsea Bonbeach train station group

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but those ideas are Landscaping  seating

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and benches  Library improvements

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improving car parking and access

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beautification and lighting keeping

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things clean and tidy being inclusive

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and accessible toilet accessibility a

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council presence in the shops  kids

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activities  popup shops assist a 

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city relationship with Chelsea in the UK

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a Chelsea Funday a night market a

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Chelsea parade and possibly my favourite

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a revitalized Chelsea committee to keep

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these ideas coming and the communication

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between Council and the Chelsea

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Community flowing so I want to say a

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huge thank you to everyone that came

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along and presented all of those ideas

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it was a fantastic for and I hope that

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we can continue those discussions in the

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future I can see Mr Gutman taking notes

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on some of those things that I was

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saying I will present that full report

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to council and send that through to

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everyone once that's been

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prepared finally I also wanted to give

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just a shout out to the wonderful

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volunteers at the Chelsea SES they have

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been there for our community in times of

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need in the past couple of weeks when

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we've encountered some massive massive

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storms they have been there day and

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night and they have shown up and they've

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helped in any way that they possibly

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could so a huge thank you and massive

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shout out to them thank you thank you

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very much Councilor Oxley it's a wonderful

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report and also share your sentiments

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around both Moorabbin and Chelsea SCS and

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the work that they've been doing and

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Thoughts with city of Ballarat at the moment

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as they're facing pretty catastrophic

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conditions councilors anyone else

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councilor Saab thank you Madame Mayor 

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and I just have a few reports to make

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and a few comments from our community

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that I wanted to share  specifically I

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wanted to talk about the  Mayoral

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task force supporting people seeking

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Asylumum and refugees which you very

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wonderfully chaired  this week  I

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think it is such an amazing organization

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that we are a part of and it's important

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that we do continue to champion the

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rights of the most vulnerable in our

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community and that's what this task

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force is all about but I specifically

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wanted to report on  to the rest of

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the councilors and to our community that

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we are currently in the stages of

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working through a motion to present to

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the Australian local government

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association's National Conference in CRA

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this year  and the meeting that you

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like I said so wonderfully chaired was a

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workshop of us trying to bring together

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the core  principles that were going

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to form the basis of what this motion

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that we were going to put forward was

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about that Dandenong city council which is

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the chair of this committee  and we

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sit on as the executive  was trying to

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develop and the the motion seems to be

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really centered around opportunities for

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Asylumum Seekers and refugees in the srss

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services the support services that

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surround Asylumum Seekers and people who

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are struggling and looking for

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opportunities in the country who don't

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necessarily have the rights to study in

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our country who don't necessarily have

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the rights to work in our country and so

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they fall through the cracks and so that

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is going to be the pre premise of the

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motion that we're going to move  in

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alga and hopefully that is supported by

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our councilors when that motion does

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come back to us  and we can sign up as

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a big supporter of that  I wanted to

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also specifically congratulate the

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Moorabbin Rams  who operate out of Moorabbin

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 for for coordinating a pretty

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fantastic game that councilor Davies and

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Madame Mayor you were there as well in

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attendance  a game between the New

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South Wales Warriors and the Melbourne

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Rebels  who are obviously in some

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unfortunate troubles at the moment but I

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think that was a pretty fantastic

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opportunity for us to have that type of

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caliber of play and for the young ones

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in our city who do play  in that sport

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to actually see what they can strive for

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and look at the opportunities that exist

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for them  that was on Saturday  the

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3rd of February I also just wanted to

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also acknowledge and congratulate John

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and his wife John   who's from

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the Afghan Community who is a migrant

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himself who has moved into our community

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 and congratulate them on the opening

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of their new shop which they've invited

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me down to celebrate with them which is

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the Bayside bathroom and kitchen Inc 

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we don't often go down to celebrate shop

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openings like that but this one was

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particularly important because they also

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invited me sometime last year early last

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year when they opened up their own child

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care and Early Learning Center kid

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Garden in Kingston in Moorabbin  and I

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just think it's important to acknowledge

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and thank them for their contribution

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because it also is really emblematic of

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the type of opportunities that exist in

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our city  as well as  the reason

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it's so important that we do support

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Asylum Seekers and refugees and migrants

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in our community and give them those

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opportunities as well  and their Su

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success story I think is really 

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speaks voles of the opportunities that

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do exist in Kingston for families that

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do want to move in here and invest their

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time and and finally I just wanted to

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acknowledge just  the Mordialloc College 

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Centenary Year celebration they

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celebrated 100 years as a school  just

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a couple of last week actually just last

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week  which is a massive achievement

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for any organization or any group  but

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particularly for this school which is

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actually such a stable of  this whole

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community so just congratulations to

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them as well thank you very much councilor

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Saab very much appreciate your

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Reflections on the Mayoral task force in

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particular any other councilors who'd

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like to share a

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report or counselor

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statement

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No thank you to councilor Oxley and

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councilor Saab for

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sharing

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just

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thank you so just  for those who are

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watching we were confirming there

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whether or not the councilors were

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providing those  statements as

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counselor statements or as delegate

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reports and the councilors have advised

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there were counselor statements so we

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don't need to move a motion to accept

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them we were just able to our rules 

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receive those so thank you for the the

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pause there while we just reflected upon

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that

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process so we can now move on to to the

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next part of our agenda which is 

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question time so I'll now hand over to

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our CEO Mr Peter ? thank you thank you

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Mayor Davy Burns  thank you to those

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who submitted questions this evening

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please do note that the governance rules

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have been applied to all questions and

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six questions have not been accepted due

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to being ruled as objectionable causing

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embarrassment to a counselor or in fact

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 the question as as lodged did not

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provide a name address or an email

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address one of those three or some of

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those

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and also I just would like to reiterate

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for for all people either in the gallery

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and listening in that  preambles will

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not be read out so we'll proceed with

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the balance of the questions that are

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eligible for this evening's council

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meeting first one is  from Simon what

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is the current estimate for the new pool

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including the construction and the site

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purchase of $4.6 million with the

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remediation of Don Tattnel Leisure Center

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that was estimated at 40 to 50 million

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I'll ask Emily about your acting general

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manager infrastructure and open space to

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respond through you mayor  the

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approved budget for the project was

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endorsed at the April ordinary council

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meeting at $ 79.2 million and the paper

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is available on council's website should

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be should you be interested in further

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detail the cost to purchase the site was

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$14.6 Million the Demolition and

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Remediation of Don Tattnel site will cost

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$1.6

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million thank you the next question also

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from Simon the question reads is the

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council preparing to use dual names for

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parks and buildings including any

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recommended by activist or

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representative groups again I'll ask M

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Boucher to

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respond in the wayfinding strategy

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adopted by council at the July 2023

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council meeting provision is made on the

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signs for ? naming the strategy is

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also available on council's website

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under Council

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docents the next  two questions are

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read them out together is from onez they

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are why was my question on 29 January

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regarding the equivalent Victorian local

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government model code of conduct to that

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of the New South Wales model code not

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answered completely in that the site

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sent to me only gave details of the

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Kingston Council staff and not the

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pecuniary interest of the councils

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themselves second question is can I

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please be given the site where Kingston

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Council details are kept of these

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pecuniary interest including his her

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name address signature plus information

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about their properties shareholdings

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gifts received debts owed donations and

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other sources of income and position

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held in a trade Union political party or

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Professional Organization all ask Mr Dan

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Hogan general manager customer corporate

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support

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to  thank you Mr CEO council's public

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website provides the smaries of

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personal interest returns for both

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councilors and nominated officers of

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council staff smaries of counselor's

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personal interest returns are found

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under the policies plans and reports

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section of our website a link to your

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requested information a smary of

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personal interests of councilors was

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sent to you by myself the general

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manager of customer and corporate

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support on the 6th of February this

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year the next question is from jakota

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Williams and the question is have any

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councilors at Kingston Council been

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suspended or threatened with suspension

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I will respond to this question and the

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answer is

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no the next question is from Robert can

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you please tell me the full total cost

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plus ongoing cost of Contracting the

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communication portal company called bang

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the table I'll ask Mr Hogan to respond

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to this

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question  thank you bang the table

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have had purchase orders of

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approximately

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$127,000 sorry $1

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127,50 since May

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2019 next question is from Rose there

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are two questions attached to Rose's 

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form they is it true that council's

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equity and advisory committee which

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currently has two lgbtq plus

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Representatives will be increasing the

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these nbers by five new applications

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which are currently being interviewed

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now with new appointments to commence in

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February 2024 and the second question

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are these existing two and the five new

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lgbtq plus appointments paid position to

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councel or unpaid not only by Council

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but by any other committee group or

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anyone  I will ask my apologies for

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that I'll ask  Kate Waters our acting

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general manager of committee

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strengthening to respond to that

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question

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thank you and through the mayor

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council's access and Equity advisory

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committee currently has two committee

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members that identify as being of the

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lgbtiqa plus community and three that

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identify as allies all community members

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on a council strategic advisory

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committee are granted attendance

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payments for their participation which

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is a maxim of $200 per

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anom thank you the next two questions

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are from Alina they are is it true you

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have hired three psychologists to

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provide individual counseling services

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to children who are continuous

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continuously referred to as young people

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in their report as stated in the Youth

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Services report in 8.3 in on 29 January

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and isn't this situation at odd with

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traditional medicare-based Health Care

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system that keeps track on professional

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consultations again ask Miss Waters to

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respond to that

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question thank you and through the mayor

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Kingston Youth Services employs three

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qualified psychologists who provide

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counseling to young people aged between

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12 and 25 Kingston Youth Services

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psychologists are required to hold

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memberships with the Australian

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psychological Society they are

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accountable through their line

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management supervision and professional

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clinical supervision sessions notes of

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All sessions are taken in line with

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professional practice

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standards the next question is from Lynn

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Wilson did councilors have a chance to

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vote for or did the chief executive

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officer and Council executive decide

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itself without the impact of councilors

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to create and give contracts for the

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creation of the internal group Kingston

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represents to the company sortition

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foundation and the digital company which

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selects and manages resident

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Communications call bang the table I'll

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ask Mr Hogan general manager customer

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corporate support to respond thank you

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Mr CEO Council offices engaged the

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services of sortition in accordance with

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all applicable delegations and

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procurement

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policy thank you the next question is

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from rosemary there are two questions

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here why is it that the councils are not

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allowed or never see the questions being

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put to council at the council question

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time because the chief executive officer

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Mr Peter Bean seems to have the last say

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as to what they're allowed to see second

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question is is it actually

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undemocratic it is is it actually

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undemocratic and questionable for the

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unelected chief executive officer to to

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to decide whose letters are selected as

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acceptable to be read in what seems to

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be non-transparent method of selection

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and which seems to go against the

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governance principles of the council and

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the Local Government Act I'll ask Mr

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Hogan to respond to this

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question public questions are managed in

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accordance with the governance rules

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which are available on council's website

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which are also consistent with council's

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obligation under the Local Government

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Act 2020 the mayor and CEO both have

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responsibilities in relation to public

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questions and work together to address

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them in the most appropriate

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fashion thank you the next question is

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from Colin why has Kingston Council and

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its social media promotions recently

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when extolling news its new tampon

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dispensaries at its or its oldest

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library or the use of its Net Zero cars

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or the celebrating Chinese New Year or

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the Turning of a side or even keeping

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cool in smer always putting Council

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Steve stos may Jenner Davy Burns councel

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Tracy Davies Tim Cochran Chris Hill and

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Hardy Saab front and center in that media

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which is from the governance perspective

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a questionable thing to do during a

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council election year why our councilors

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David Eden Georgina Oxley Cameron how

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and George H rarely being promoted in

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such advertising by the Kingston Council

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media managers I'll ask Mr Hogan to

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respond to that

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question under the Local Government Act

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2020 the mayor is the primary

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spokesperson for Council and

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consequently will be featured most often

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in many other councilors sorry many

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other cases rather councilors are also

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or in addition offered meteor or

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promotional opportunities of council

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services and Facilities it is not always

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possible for a range of reasons

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including timing and operational reasons

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for counsil to be able to take up these

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opportunities thank you Mr Hogan the

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next question is from rosin is it true

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that the unexpected non-agenda item

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motion put by Council Tracy Davies on 29

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January 2024 to cut the public question

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time to 15 minutes only and which was

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carried by those councils present cannot

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be allowed to stand permanently for

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future Kingston Council public meetings

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as this goes against Council governance

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principles themselves and as the sudden

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and unannounced insertion of this rule

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coupled with the blaming of the people

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who ask questions for time overruns at

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meetings reveals a lack of procedual

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fairness and even ethics I'll ask Mr

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Hogan to respond to that

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question thank you the procedural motion

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referred to in the question applied only

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for that meeting public question time is

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most usually governed by the governance

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rules that are available on council's

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website there is no prohibition on

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council's moving a similarly binding

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procedural Motion in future Council

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meetings however which is allowable

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under our governance rules thank you Mr

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Hogan  the next question is from

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rosemy West there's two questions

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attached to this qu this U submission

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they are what if any difference have any

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of the council's proposals to mitigate

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the adverse impacts of the Suburban

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proposed Suburban rail Loop EG item 7.4

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tonight and or the proposed Heather and

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train yard made to the Suburban rail

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Loop Authority plans for the project and

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the second question is has Council

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advocated for a 3:1 true replacement

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policy for the Suburban rail Loop and

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level crossing removal projects as

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required by council's Urban Forest

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strategy in regard to Major state

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government transport projects in which

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case has made any difference to any of

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these plans I'll ask Mr Jonathan Gman

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general manager planning a place to

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respond through you mayor David Burns in

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response to the first question from Miss

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West the Suburban rail Loop Authority is

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required to comply with several

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environmental performance requirements

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associated with the Project's approval

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these requirements will result in

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detailed plans being prepared by the srl

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for the Heather and stabling yard site

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and Council will be seeking to ensure

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they address a range of matters Council

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raised for the independent advisory

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committee process for the

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project in response to question two the

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council has strongly reinforced the

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importance of a substantial landscape

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response be provided for both the

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stabling facility and at the station

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location s again once project plans are

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released Council will be able to comment

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on the landscape response proposed for

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the project thank you thank you Mr

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Gutman that concludes public questions

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this evening

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May thank you very much Mr Bean we'll

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now move on to our planning and place

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reports the next item is 7.1 town

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planning application decisions for

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January

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2024 councilors do we have a

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motion

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thank you councilor Hill like to move

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the motion as it appears on the screen

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yep and

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councilor H thank you

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seconding does this item require any

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debate

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councilors no I'll put the item to the

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vote all those in

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favour and that is

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unanimous the next item on the agenda is

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kp2

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22424 15 Derwin Street

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Menon now I've been advised that we have

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an objector and an applicant tonight 

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in our meeting so I'll now ask our

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objector Monica van whisson if you could

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please  step forward our security

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staff will help you

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through if you just like to come and

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take a seat there and make sure that

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you're comfortable and settled

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yes you're really welcome to do that

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what we might do is I'll just ask

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someone from our team to come and help

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with them thanks Council Hill  just

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really helps to make sure everyone can

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hear especially those who are online so

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please take a moment to get yourself set

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up now I'm sure that you've had 

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someone walk you through  the process

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but if  I could just remind you that

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you have four minutes of speaking time

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I'm not sure if you have ever done this

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before but four minutes goes really

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quickly when you're on your

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feet okay great

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 my role as chair is to sometimes just

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let people know that their time has come

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to  completion so  once you finished

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 your speaking time we just ask if you

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could there to the gallery we'll

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continue on  the council heill have

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you turned the mic

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on and your speaking time Monica Sorry

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Miss van we will start when you  start

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speaking thank

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you councilors covenants are complex so

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says planning Victoria website it also

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States covenants can be hard to

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understand as they often use legal words

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and unfamiliar jargon even covenants

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that look familiar might use slightly

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different words resulting in different

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restrictions on the use or development

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of the land indeed planning Victoria

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concludes each Covenant needs needs to

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be individually

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interpreted it is reasonable to asse

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that such an interpretation would take

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account of what is both reasonable to

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and understand including over time and

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by countless people and according to

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established surrounding circstances

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and in the case of mentor and race CS

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state where no such development in

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breach of existing cant has occurred and

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what do we understand by reasonable and

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according to the surrounding

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circstances in legal sense well the

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high court of of Australia in the matter

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of toll versus Alpha Farm 2004 provides

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helpful Direction on this and I quote it

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is not the subjective beliefs or

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understandings of the parties about

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their rights and liabilities that govern

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their Contra contractual relations what

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matters is what each party by words and

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conduct would have led a reasonable

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person in the POS of the other parties

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to believe the meaning of the terms of

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contractual docent is to be determined

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by what a reasonable person would have

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understood them to mean that normally

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requires consideration not only of the

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text but also of the surrounding

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circstances known to the parties and

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the purpose of the object of of the

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transaction in the context of this

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application the surrounding

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circstances would include the more

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than four decades the Covenant has

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applied to the race course estate and

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which has seemingly thought to be clear

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and easily understood by reasonable

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people who entered into contracts and

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purchased their family homes on the

00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.119
understanding of what the Covenant meant

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to this day the Covenant has been

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observed by every resident of the estate

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and one could fairly argue understood by

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countless reasonable lawyers conveyances

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planners estate agents and even

00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.359
councilors this appears to count for

00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.039
little in the eyes of council and

00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:46.839
appears to diminish this Council now

00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:48.920
embark on what is in seemingly

00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.000
inevitable and as far as many residents

00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.680
are concerned undesirable course that

00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.359
will at the end of the day ignore the

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meaning and understanding of our

00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.640
covenant by reasonable persons the

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evidence of the surrounding

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circstances the adverse impact on

00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.039
amenity and diminished Quality of Life

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Council has also refused to engage in

00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.160
discussion or address concerns about

00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.640
what will happen in the event of an

00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:14.960
application at some later point that

00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.039
seeks to subdivide the building if it is

00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.319
not possible to impose a condition on

00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.039
any approval that no further subdivision

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of be allowed then if the building is

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.720
able to be subdivided this would provide

00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.319
proof that the plan is for two separate

00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.960
buildings on the original allotment and

00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.559
therefore a clear breach of Covenant 344

00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.400
349 this will have been acceded to and

00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.440
accommodated by Council we re request

00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.359
that at very least the council properly

00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:48.440
address this important issue before any

00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.680
approval is given to

00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.640
kp2

00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.160
2022

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424 these fundamental reasons we employ

00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.720
for you our de democratically elected

00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:02.680
councilors to stand in the shoes of

00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.319
reasonable person and to object this

00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.200
flaw

00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.519
application thank

00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.200
you thank you very much Miss vanon if

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.079
you'd like to just  take a seat in the

00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.440
gallery that would be lovely thank you

00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.039
very much for your

00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.440
time I'd now like to invite our

00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.839
applicant Mr Chris

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.240
pipo thank you

00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:32.359
so Chris you may have just heard sorry

00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.839
Mr pipo you may have just heard the 

00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:36.200
Rules of Engagement that I had just

00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:37.880
shared with the objector so you have

00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.279
four minutes and that time starts when

00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:41.920
you begin speaking and there's a

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.440
microphone button just in the middle

00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.680
there and once you've completed  your

00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:47.920
statement if you wouldn't mind returning

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:48.960
to the gallery that would be much

00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.079
appreciated thank you  good evening

00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.400
councilors and thank you for the

00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:55.079
opportunity to speak here this evening

00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:56.119
I'm here on behalf of the permit

00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:57.680
applicant asking for support for the

00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:59.640
matter presently before you now we're

00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.160
going to talk to the application on for

00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.079
three fronts being the Covenant current

00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.759
policy and proposed policy but before I

00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:07.720
get into it I can appreciate there's I

00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.079
guess a lot of emotion around this

00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.200
application  residents have been quite

00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.640
vocal about it all there's this Covenant

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.279
that hovers over the land  and as we

00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.200
know emotion and and feelings and

00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:18.440
opinions are very much part of the

00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:20.519
planning process but as we get to the

00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:22.279
pointy end of this process which is the

00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.599
decision-making process when one

00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.039
determines an application it's an

00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:27.920
assessment against the planning controls

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.880
that apply to this particular parcel of

00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:31.839
land and as you can see and as

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:33.240
communicated in the planning report

00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:35.599
before you we take the this application

00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.319
takes all the kpis for the site when I

00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.799
talk to the Covenant itself the Covenant

00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.240
itself is not a single dwelling Covenant

00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.720
 I can appreciate Sometimes some

00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.119
people have different views on it but

00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:48.359
that's supported by case law that's

00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:49.640
supported by legal advice that's

00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:51.480
supported the application also review by

00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.000
council's internal entities 

00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:56.720
interesting enough what it does allow

00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.160
for it talks to one building and as you

00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:00.759
can see in the last section of that

00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.400
Covenant talks to having no more than

00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.119
two dwellings so what you see here is

00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.160
it's not a single dwelling Covenant and

00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:07.880
the design before you takes all the

00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.000
boxes as it relates to the restrictive

00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:11.160
covenant hence the reason why this

00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.440
application is not seeking to vary the

00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.119
Covenant before you it is consistent

00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:16.720
with the Covenant and that's supported

00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.319
by legal advice and case law we then

00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:21.160
look at current policy and I guess to

00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:22.440
connect the dots here is that the

00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:24.720
Kingston planning scheme clearly

00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:26.759
articulates expectations for those sites

00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:28.359
for this site and expectations are

00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.359
articulated by way of various

00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:31.680
prescriptive requirements within the

00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.519
planning scheme and we know the recent

00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.279
change to the planning scheme by way of

00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.279
vc2 243 which has codified a lot of the

00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:39.759
controls has taken some of the gray out

00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.519
of planning and made it black and white

00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:42.599
and when you look at the application

00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.240
before you against these controls what

00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.279
you see is a development that complies

00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.839
with sight coverage permeability front

00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.440
side and rear setbacks secluded private

00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.599
open space it delivers meaningful

00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:55.319
platforms for landscaping that was very

00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.119
much informed by the new Clause 50

00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.640
that's proposed as part of c203 and it

00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.759
meets all the amenity tests as well the

00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:03.319
one element offends in the planning

00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.240
scheme is the front fence and all one

00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:06.640
needs to do is take the front fence from

00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.240
thir went Street and put it to the face

00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.160
of the building of dwelling one and it's

00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:11.920
deemed compliant so you've got these

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.599
tests that the development satisfies and

00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:14.680
then when we talk to this question of

00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.519
neighborhood character we've got a

00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:17.720
development that delivers a pitch roof

00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.359
form consistent with the fabric of the

00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.160
area we've got a development that

00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.119
delivers on the materials 

00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:25.160
communicated within the Covenant and

00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:26.319
those materials have informed

00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.079
development within this particular

00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:29.759
Precinct and then we talk about the

00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.440
envelope of the bill form itself it's a

00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:33.720
two-story form we know the planning

00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.680
scheme and the incremental change

00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.400
Provisions effectively create a 3D

00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.240
envelope on the block of land and the

00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.759
proposal sits within that envelope and

00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:43.319
then finally what we say is that when we

00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.480
contemplate envelope one should be it

00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.200
should be done in light of what can be

00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.799
done as a right and then in this

00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.680
situation we have an envelope and a

00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.559
scalable form there shouldn't be one

00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.559
dwelling it would be an as of right

00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.960
exercise and then finally we have I

00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:58.400
guess this next wave of plan of the

00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.640
planning scheme being what sits in

00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.200
c203 and this area is being I guess

00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:04.519
proposed to be hisone to Neighborhood

00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.119
residential 7 NR z7 S I should say and

00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.960
the proposal sits comfortably within

00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:10.800
those parameters and these new

00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.559
parameters in terms of what  apply to

00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.239
the land and how they look to inform

00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.719
development so I guess in closing I can

00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.400
appreciate there's some   uncomfort

00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:21.519
as it relates to the Covenant but

00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.800
importantly this is not a single

00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.159
dwelling Covenant that applies to the

00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.519
block of land the area itself is not

00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:27.679
covered by a neighborhood character

00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.679
overlay or Heritage overlay that would

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.159
heighten character aspects in terms of

00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.199
preservation ultimately what we have

00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.480
before you are I'll say three tools

00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:37.559
being the current planning scheme

00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.400
controls we've got the Covenant that

00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.280
looks to inform development and ALS to a

00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:43.760
certain degree c23 even though it's not

00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:45.880
approved and the proposal aligns with

00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.400
the elements that are contained within

00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:48.800
and for these reasons we ask for your

00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.280
support here this evening thank

00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.920
you thank you very much Mr pipo I'll

00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:56.360
just ask for you to return to your seat

00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:59.840
in the gallery and thank you for your

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.079
time so councilors I'd like to ask if we

00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.280
have a motion please councilor

00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:12.559
Davies yeah I'd like to move an

00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.559
alternative motion that I circulated to

00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.840
the councilors earlier this evening

00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.800
thank you councilor Davies do we have a

00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.960
seconder councilor

00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.320
hill thank you councilor Davis would you

00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.559
like to speak to your motion  thank

00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:29.639
you and I would like to  thank the

00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.920
objector  spokesperson and also the

00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.599
applicant spokesperson because I do

00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.320
think they added to the discussion in

00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.800
relation to this application I think all

00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.599
the councilors would be aware that this

00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.079
matter has been ongoing for quite a

00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.079
period of time and I do acknowledge the

00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.039
assessment that is was undertaken by the

00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.119
officers but I suppose where I do differ

00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.760
is that the race course ofate is

00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:57.840
actually quite a unique section or area

00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.960
geographical area in Kingston if you

00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:02.920
drove around that estate you are not

00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.719
going to see any jeel occupancy I think

00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.960
I've had we've had something like 94 

00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.480
individual objections we had a petition

00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.559
which had 79 signatures I've had

00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.000
nerous telephone discussions and

00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:19.320
councilors would have received all the

00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:21.880
emails as well where people spoke about

00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.679
the fact that  people who've been

00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:26.199
there for 50 years people who've been

00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.079
there for just over a year they all

00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.159
understood that this was a location

00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.320
where it was a oneome area they were

00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.320
told that by real estate agents they

00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:38.960
were told that by lawyers they were told

00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.280
that by conveyances  they read the

00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.559
Covenant and they certainly have a

00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.880
different view to what I understand 

00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.639
has been noted by the applicant but it

00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.079
really is a situation

00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.719
where in a in a almost in a way this is

00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.039
a bit of a test case what is going to

00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.320
happen to this area in terms of

00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.039
development and what the neighborhood

00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.199
character would be and the residents of

00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.400
this area are very specific about how

00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.639
they view the neighborhood character and

00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.280
I agree with them I believe it is an

00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.800
area where we're talking about a single

00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.039
dwelling and I know there's a reference

00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:17.679
to the word building and not more than

00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.559
two dwellings there could be an argent

00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.119
whether the dwelling is supposed to be a

00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:22.679
little granny fat for the same member of

00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:24.280
the family or not I've had to look at

00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.639
some of the cases as well but the

00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.320
situation is that the residents in this

00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.079
area have an understanding and I think

00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.079
it is

00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:36.800
reflected in the fact that there hasn't

00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.920
been dual occupancy because everyone

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.199
does understand what the race course of

00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.000
state is it's quite unique and I think

00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:46.760
that we as a council should be

00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.079
protecting that environment thank

00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.800
you thank you councilor

00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.519
Davies thank you I'll ask councilor Hill

00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.559
would you like to speak to this

00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.840
item yeah thank you mayor jdb and thanks

00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.840
also to the  applicant and  to the

00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.880
 objectors who have spoken this

00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.440
evening and thanks to councilor Davies

00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.480
for putting  putting forward this Al

00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:20.320
alternative motion  look this I think

00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.159
it really comes down to an

00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.000
interpretation I think even within our

00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.840
planning department we had to sort of

00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:29.920
land on how we interpreted this in the

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.000
scheme of of what was what was  being

00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.519
proposed in this in this

00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:39.119
development  now I want to sort of

00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:40.880
start with the fact that like we are

00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.840
committed as a council to  provide

00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.320
more housing more affordable housing

00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:49.119
throughout the city of Kingston so I I'm

00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.599
I think we're all very much dedicated to

00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.840
achieving that sort of Greater goal

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.000
throughout Kingston but I I do land on

00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.280
the point that councilor Davies just

00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:00.840
spoke to in that  this covenant's been

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.000
in place for nearly 50 years  the

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.239
people who bought in the race course of

00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.000
estate have bought with an understanding

00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.360
of what that Covenant actually meant 

00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.480
now we can I guess talk to some degree

00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.079
to semantics over building and dwellings

00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.800
and whatnot I guess where I where I'm

00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:21.119
coming from is I've got a nber of

00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.400
friends who and  I guess as we see

00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.119
this ambition to create more property

00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.320
through Kingston I I know people who

00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.199
live in side by side tow houses now I

00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.639
don't think any of those people would

00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.239
say that they live in half a building

00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:36.880
you know they they live in a building

00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.599
that happens to be attached to another

00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:41.679
building so  I think

00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.119
that's part of what makes it clearer to

00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.360
me the the other thing is here too I go

00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.519
down to the

00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:51.639
actual what is the purpose for the

00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.159
Covenant to be in place now when I

00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:56.960
actually have a look at the original

00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.119
 design the drawings of the original

00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.840
design and I compare them to the design

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:05.360
that was  put forward there after the

00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.239
original design I would say would have

00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.800
created a better amenity for the locals

00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.480
in that it had space between buildings

00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:13.800
it would have allowed light through it

00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.599
didn't have so much visual bulk  but

00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.360
because it might be deemed by some that

00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.800
that wasn't compliant to the Covenant it

00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.519
was then proposed to change that to a

00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.559
and a a building where the two dwellings

00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.760
are attached so if I think of what is

00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.559
the purpose of the Covenant I'm sure the

00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.199
purpose of the of the Covenant isn't to

00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.920
create a worse amenity outcome for the

00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.119
local residents of the racecourse estate

00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.559
so you know if I put the pub test  to

00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.880
this one I I I just struggle with this

00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:53.079
application  and  I think part of it

00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.880
too is when I when I actually had a look

00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.719
at  you know the the response to this

00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.239
you know we had 993 individual

00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.800
objections with with  what was it 79

00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:06.800
signatures there were 35 people present

00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.159
at the   at the planning

00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.000
consultation of meeting  and yet

00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.719
nothing really materially changed so

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:18.360
again I'm not not so comfortable with

00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:20.920
that also so just overall when I look at

00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.760
this whole application I think where 

00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.400
councilor Davies is taking this is proba

00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.360
the right response so thank you thank

00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.119
you very much councilor

00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.519
Hill would any other councilors like to

00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:35.840
speak to this

00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.360
item thank you Council

00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.599
Eden  yes thank you and I think this

00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:43.639
is a particularly interesting 

00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:46.079
application and it is so because it does

00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:48.480
raise  various issues around I think

00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.280
expectations within the community and

00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:52.880
around what people understand certain

00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.199
things to mean and what the intention of

00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.639
certain docents were at the time and

00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.199
it's interesting to consider that

00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:01.960
particularly tonight the next item on

00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.119
our agenda is actually the planning

00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.440
scheme review which is to go off to the

00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.519
state government at a higher level

00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.880
throughout our city and when you compare

00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.280
this application  to the planning

00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.559
scheme review I think we probably need

00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.360
to look at whether or not we need to

00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.559
also make  representations to the

00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.039
state government through that instrent

00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.360
to look at how we prevent situations

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.840
like this coming to council where

00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.519
Community expectations are one thing but

00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.639
what's being argued  by you know

00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.599
particular parties may be totally

00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.360
contrary to that  I certainly

00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:38.840
reiterate the points that have been made

00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.199
around neighborhood character  but I

00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:43.800
would think that there is probably some

00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:45.719
concern that we as Council need to

00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.039
consider  assing this matter goes to

00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.519
vcat and that is I do recall some

00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.199
similar applications in the past around

00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:55.960
buildings I believe actually next door

00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.440
to here where they refer to it as one

00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.000
building but it's got 50 plus dwellings

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.920
and whether or not  that is something

00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.159
Council needs to seriously consider

00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.079
where a developer might go to vcat and

00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.320
say well that is one dwelling or that is

00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.760
one building next door  so therefore

00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.079
one building can have many dwellings and

00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:17.800
to look at  particularly in that

00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:19.599
planning scheme review whether or not we

00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.559
clarified at that point as well  and

00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:24.440
for officers to report back to council

00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.119
about any other areas in Council that 

00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.239
in the borders of Kingston that may

00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.400
actually be in a similar position 

00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:32.760
because I think sometimes it's better to

00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.119
be taking a preventative approach rather

00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.880
than a reactive approach  where things

00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.239
could be  to the detriment of our

00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.960
community  I would agree and endorse

00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:45.159
that it is out of character it is not in

00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.280
line with what people expect  what is

00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.039
in that area and I believe we've got

00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.679
strong grounds there  but I do believe

00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:53.880
residents would probably expect Council

00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.679
to  represent them in all the

00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.320
available channels that we have and I

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.480
think that probably means  reaching

00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.519
out to members of parliament and through

00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.280
the state planning process we're about

00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.719
to go through or to continue to go

00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.719
through to make sure that points like

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:10.639
this are clarified and to look at what

00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.599
opportunities we have as a counil to try

00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:14.519
to strengthen those broader protections

00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.159
as well  so when it comes down to the

00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.079
semantics of the meaning of one word our

00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:21.840
residents aren't losing out when we get

00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.920
to that point Thank

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.199
you thank you very much councilor Eden

00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:28.760
would any other councilors like to speak

00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.960
to this

00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.760
motion thank you Council

00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.559
sa thank you Madame mayor and I was

00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:37.760
considering whether or not I was going

00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.679
to make comment on this or just listen

00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:40.880
to the debate but listening to the

00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.360
debate pretty intently and to the both

00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:44.719
the speakers who came this evening on

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.519
this application I feel probably it's

00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.079
necessary that I do make comment  on

00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.119
this application I think for myself this

00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.320
is a real struggle or a test on  the

00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.360
Covenant for versus expectations or 

00:44:58.440 --> 00:44:59.800
responsibility under the planning and

00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:01.400
environment act when we consider

00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:03.679
applications sorry councilor thank you

00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:07.119
councel s thank you for leading us  I

00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.719
think for me at least this is a test on

00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.320
what the rules of the cant say versus

00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:14.840
what our obligations and requirements

00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:16.599
are under the planning environment act

00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.159
as councilors  specifically when I'm

00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:20.400
looking at the assessments or the

00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.920
standards of this  it's largely

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.440
compliant in a lot of areas I do I do

00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.599
agree pretty strongly with these points

00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:28.920
that are raised in this refusal that

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.880
these are pretty strong grounds to put a

00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:32.679
case forward for vcap but I do know this

00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.639
is an application that will go to vcat

00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.480
and with that requires a lot of

00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:41.440
understanding  of that cost outlay and

00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.440
you know it might actually end up in

00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.480
being in a worse outcome for for

00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.599
residents than what the you know

00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.400
negotiated terms are where we landed

00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:50.880
with the original application that was

00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.119
put forward  because then it is out of

00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:54.679
our control those type of Assessments

00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.159
and those type of discussions and

00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.079
negotiations  and the conditions that

00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.840
were initially placed on this

00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:02.960
application if it was to be approved

00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.519
could just all sort of become undone and

00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.719
that's kind of what we need to

00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.719
understand is the measure here  and

00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.440
again when I when I think about what our

00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.360
responsibilities are very and I would

00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.079
say it's very unfortunate because I do

00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:18.760
hear from a lot of residents on a lot of

00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.039
applications even in my own Ward and

00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:22.960
even from applications from residents

00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.000
who don't even live in the city of

00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.559
Kingston and they ask for advice it is

00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.440
very clearcut when it comes to the

00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:29.800
planning environment act and when it

00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.920
comes to what we  have to look at 

00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.960
to the degree that we can't even present

00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:37.719
what our actual feeling of an

00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.519
application is until we come to this

00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.679
room to make a decision we have to be

00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.280
very unbiased in our

00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.760
measure in our measure of a particular

00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.400
application  so I'm I'm really

00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.079
struggling to to see when I consider the

00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:53.719
planning environment Act and the fact

00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:54.840
that this application is really

00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.239
compliant that I don't know if this is

00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.559
necessarily the best course for our

00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.679
residents I know it is what they're

00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.119
after I think the grounds that it is not

00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.840
in line with neighborhood character is a

00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:07.519
strong ground but I think that might be

00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:09.079
one of the only strong grounds in

00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.159
consideration for this application to be

00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.960
refused  and I just wanted to make

00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:15.559
that clear that the way that I vote

00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:17.079
tonight while it might not be how I

00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.679
actually feel about the application 

00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.159
it is in line with what our

00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:22.559
responsibilities are under the planning

00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.519
and environment act so I just wanted to

00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.480
make that clear

00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.239
thank you very much councilor s would

00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:30.719
any other councilor like to speak to

00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.639
this item thank you Council Oxley thank

00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:35.639
you and whilst I will be supporting the

00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.199
motion that's been put forward this

00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.239
evening  to issue the notice of

00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:41.320
refusal  there are some comments that

00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.480
I would have to agree with with

00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:44.679
councilor Saabon when I looked at this

00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.039
application and sort of assessed this

00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.280
application in terms of where it's at in

00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.880
terms of your site coverage and those

00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:51.760
those really important setback

00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.280
requirements  the application itself

00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.679
is is actually Rel relatively compliant

00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.320
so I was a bit stuck  I think at the

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:00.719
end of the day though when you do drive

00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.199
around that area and you understand how

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.920
strong the argent is for neighborhood

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.400
character in that area that is why I

00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.960
will be supporting the refusal the seing

00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.719
 I think the Covenant whilst it's a an

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.239
interesting one it will be interesting

00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.320
to to potentially see that tested  to

00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.599
me I probably read that the same way

00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.440
that  the officers have  and thought

00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:25.960
that that was pretty clearcut it will be

00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.599
interesting to to see that tested I

00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.519
think overall when considering the the

00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:32.119
really strong argent for neighborhood

00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:33.880
character in that area I will be

00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.480
supporting their refusal  but do

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:37.960
completely understand the comments from

00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:39.639
councilor Saab in terms of that really

00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.280
being a a difficult one to weigh up I'm

00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.400
not sure what our success will be but I

00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.639
I am happy to support the refusal on the

00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:49.679
grounds of  what I think is very

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:51.920
strong neighborhood character in that

00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.039
area thank you very much councilor Oxley

00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:56.840
but any other councilors like to speak

00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:58.559
to this

00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.559
motion if not I will ask  councilor

00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.239
Davis if you'd like to close thank

00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.880
you just very briefly  I would just

00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.360
like to thank all the councilors who've

00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:10.800
spoken on the matter it's very much

00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.320
appreciated because I do believe that we

00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:14.960
have highlighted all the issues in

00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.599
relation to this application and I do

00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.480
note this Covenant was I think

00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.119
1976 so I think the view of what the

00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.960
wording was in in 1976 where I don't

00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.159
think they even existed in Australia

00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.519
really unless you're talking in a Sydney

00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.199
Side by Sid so it will be interesting in

00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.039
terms of if an objector raises an issue

00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:40.840
in relation to the Covenant and that is

00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.639
before vcat if this matter goes to vcat

00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.280
how the Covenant would be interpreted

00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:47.000
thank

00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.519
you thank you very much councilor Davies

00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.519
I'll now put this item to the vote all

00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.000
those in

00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:58.360
favour just one moment

00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:12.039
councilors thank you all those

00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.480
against thank you Council Eden I'll make

00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.639
that change all right so we'll just 

00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:21.400
we might  governance will just redo

00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.000
that vote so all those four if you could

00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:24.599
please raise and hold your hand if you

00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.280
could just confirm on the screen we have

00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.440
councilor Eden councilor Oxley counselor

00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.039
Davies counselor Hill councilor Bley and

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.119
councilor hu thank you councilors I very

00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.519
much appreciate that

00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.360
against councilor

00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:44.719
Saab and

00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.840
abstaining councilor Cochran and

00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.559
councilor Davey

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.280
Burns so I declare that that item is

00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.440
carried thank you

00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:05.960
all right councilors the next item on

00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.719
our agenda is item 7.3 the planning

00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.760
scheme review councilors do we have a

00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:26.480
motion planning scan review sorry

00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:28.800
councilor Hill would like to move that

00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.199
and councilor Davies would like to

00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.960
second

00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.000
that would any councilors like to speak

00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.559
to this

00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.599
item

00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:44.559
okay all right if that's the case we

00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.400
might put this item to the vote I'll ask

00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.880
all those in

00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.440
favour and we can carry that unanimously

00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:52.320
thank you

00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.280
councilors all right we're now on to

00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.400
item 7.4 for submission to the Suburban

00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.920
rail Loop draft Precinct

00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.360
Visions one two three four five six

00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.360
seven yes we asked all cor thank you

00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.880
councilor sa you'd like to

00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.639
move like to move the

00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.480
recommendation I'll just check if this

00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.360
is the motion that was circulated

00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.159
earlier was that the motion that you

00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:29.360
wanted to move or the motion that

00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.960
appears on the

00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.599
screen that's okay we'll just take a

00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.119
moment for you to review the motion as

00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:42.920
it appears on the

00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.559
screen thank you counselor s we'll note

00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.159
that you have moved that councilors do

00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.239
we have a second

00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.719
councilor Hill thank

00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.199
you councilor

00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.599
Saab I'll just make some quick comments

00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.760
apologies I I did forget there was  an

00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.199
amended motion or an alternative motion

00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:13.719
I should say  that we were considering

00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.400
 I wanted to just strongly put forward

00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:17.519
that I think it's really important that

00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.000
we do have a vision and and  an

00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.639
outline of what we think the S rail Loop

00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:24.440
should be able to deliver for our

00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:26.599
community and we put that forward to the

00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:28.119
relevant authorities and to the the

00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:29.679
state government that we do get the best

00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.320
possible outcome that we can this

00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.119
particular Amendment and I know that was

00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.960
put forward through  Madame May

00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:36.639
yourself through a lot of work with 

00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.360
our planning officers and our city

00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.880
strategy team  I think it is actually

00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:43.960
a a really good amendment that it does

00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.039
explicitly call out  the need for

00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:51.239
connectivity across the whole  bicycle

00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.239
Network that we've got in Kingston and

00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.239
also is in total alignment with what our

00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:57.159
actual vision is for the future of our

00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.360
city as being a highly  sustainable

00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:03.199
method of Transport that is actually

00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.039
possible  and with projects like these

00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:06.159
it actually does unlock those

00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:07.519
opportunities so it's really important

00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.000
that we do call that out specifically 

00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:11.719
I did want to also make comment and the

00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:12.960
reason I was really happy to move this

00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.719
and thank you councilor Bley for  the

00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.880
motivation on it  was that I think

00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.760
this is really important to set out that

00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.159
this is about particularly the precinct

00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.920
plans that surround the particular

00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.079
Stations of the area so that is the

00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:29.519
chelham station the Terminus of the

00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.920
Suburban rail Loop  and the Clayton

00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:33.639
station which also does capture the

00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.800
northern part of our city  it doesn't

00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.000
really include any other Precinct plans

00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.159
and I I wanted to say that specifically

00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:42.519
because  a lot of the residents in my

00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.800
community in the heon community who 

00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.000
are feeling very  still very lost

00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:48.800
despite  all the things that are going

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:50.760
on  might be looking at this and

00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.320
wondering you know where is the

00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.280
reference to the stabling yards for

00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:55.599
example that exist and that is

00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:57.639
referenced in the report but  and it

00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:58.920
does talk about the advocacy that

00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:00.320
Council still needs to do in there and I

00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.519
do acknowledge that in our most recent

00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.280
Kingston your city

00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:06.320
newsletter  we made reference to the

00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:07.639
advocacy we were doing with the Suburban

00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.119
rail Loop but we may have omitted heon

00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.840
and the staing guards in that Kingston

00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:13.840
your City magazine that doesn't mean

00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.239
that Council has forgotten about it it

00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.280
is still an ongoing issue that we are

00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:19.119
consistently following and pursuing with

00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.239
the Suburban rail Loop and we are

00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.199
hearing our communities concerns I am

00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:23.639
hearing our communities concerns and

00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.239
trying to make sure that that is 

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.360
delivered to the stabing to the Suburban

00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:31.920
rail Loop Authority  but this is

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.000
particular about being around the

00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.039
precinct plans and what our vision for

00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.360
those precincts can be for the city and

00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.280
that is that it can be very

00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:42.239
transformative it has the opportunity to

00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.239
really bring to life  these parts of

00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:46.880
our city and actually unlock the future

00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:48.920
of Victoria with what we'll see in terms

00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.639
of the density the builds the open space

00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:53.159
opportunities that we want to get out of

00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.800
it and the bike Network as was

00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:56.960
explicitly called out in this

00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.000
alternative motion so I just wanted to

00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.239
make those  couple of comments thank

00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.960
you thank you very much councilor Saab

00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:05.239
councilor Hill would you like to speak

00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:06.880
to the

00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:09.800
motion yeah just very briefly just a a

00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.920
couple of points maybe that  so I

00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.320
support everything that  councilor Saab

00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.480
has  said and and what has been moved

00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:20.760
 but just a couple of things that

00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.400
haven't been touched upon is just I

00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:24.920
guess the you know what we're trying to

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:26.880
do here is get some quick wins through

00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.400
this process as well and also call on

00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.000
the minister for a whole Hall of

00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.280
government approach to this  this

00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.000
process  there are some

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.920
inconsistencies I think that we've that

00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.719
we've picked out between  what we've

00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:46.440
seen so far versus what we've what we

00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:49.719
ourselves have put forward  there is a

00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.360
list of recommendations  in in our

00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.719
submission  where we where we think

00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.679
improvements can be made so  I think

00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.199
this is just you know one part of a very

00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.119
long process that that we're currently

00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:05.719
going through and what it's really

00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:07.159
ultimately about is just trying to get

00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.719
the best outcome for all all our

00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.559
residents in these areas thank you thank

00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:14.320
you very much Council Hill would any

00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.920
other councilors like to speak to this

00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.719
motion no councilor s would you like to

00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.800
close

00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.440
thank you Madame mayor  and I think

00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.519
I'll just talk to about broadly about

00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.360
and I spoke about the vision and how

00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:36.679
this is going to be so transformative

00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:38.199
for the area but I didn't really make

00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.920
reference to the fact that this is going

00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:42.559
to be such a intergenerational project

00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:44.159
that will really unlock the economic

00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:45.880
opportunities that exist in our city and

00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:48.400
that is that people who live you know as

00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.519
far south in our city can actually

00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:52.840
really accessibly and very easily

00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.480
connect to the health 

00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:58.480
 sector that is in you know the monach

00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.840
 Clayton sort of Precinct area and how

00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:02.280
that opportunity will exist which means

00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.280
we'll see  opportunities for more

00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:08.360
livable and accessible home outcomes 

00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:10.679
as far out as they need to be be able to

00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:12.679
access work opportunities so that's

00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:14.840
that's what like the potential is  and

00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.559
that is further unlocked with what we're

00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:17.760
actually putting forward to Suburban

00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.280
rail loop I think that's kind of the

00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:20.679
comments that Council Hill was making

00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:23.199
and thank you for seconding  that we

00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.920
just need to make sure that are aligned

00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.239
and that the opportunities that are kind

00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:31.400
of like bubbling there are solidified

00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:34.159
and that they adopt those changes  and

00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.280
make sure that that is all together 

00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.440
it is also important to recognize that

00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.280
you know the more densely populated

00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.079
areas of our our city and of other

00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:45.440
cities that municipalities that do

00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.360
border us don't necessarily have the

00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:50.159
opportunities and access to open space

00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:52.639
opportunities or or or things like that

00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:54.880
and we actually have something that is

00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:56.960
you know 30 40 years in the making about

00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:58.880
to be delivered for not just our

00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.119
community it is for the region and that

00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.079
is the chain of parks project and again

00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:05.199
that is now an accessible part to the

00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.800
rest of the city if if the Suburban rail

00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:10.800
Loop does recognize the authorities and

00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:12.519
all the other departments work together

00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:14.239
and recognize that you know and I'm not

00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.599
saying actually I think I am saying that

00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:18.480
our vision actually is able to achieve

00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:20.239
that and is the best way for us to do

00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.119
that so you know I hopefully they can

00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.719
see that hopefully that is adopted and

00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:26.239
the alignment is there and I know from

00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:27.719
the conversations we've been having with

00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:29.400
them that there is some alignment there

00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:30.719
we just want to make sure that they do

00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:32.800
get that and so I I really do endorse 

00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:34.960
what we're putting forward thank you

00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:36.800
councilor sa I'll now put this item to

00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.760
the vote all those in

00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:42.400
favour and we can declare that carried

00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.280
unanimously thank

00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:48.440
you the next item councilors on our

00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:51.599
agenda is item 7.5 the climate and

00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.719
ecological emergency response Plan

00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.719
update

00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.599
do we have a motion councilors councilor

00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.239
Hill you'd like to move the motion as it

01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.000
appears on the screen thank you and

01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:04.639
councilor baser you're

01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:06.719
seconding councilor Hill would you like

01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.639
to speak to the

01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:13.320
item yeah thanks and look I think this

01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.360
is sort of a good news story when I when

01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.000
I read this but I think it also really

01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:21.000
spells out the challenges  that we

01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:23.360
face in trying to reach our objectives

01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.599
so  there's quite a lot of detail in

01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:30.320
all the things that we've been doing 

01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.920
over this period and yet it does spell

01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:34.920
out that in spite of that we've seen an

01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.199
increase in emissions so you know I I

01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.639
think it just goes to the point that 

01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:42.239
you know what what we're trying to

01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:44.760
achieve is very ambitious  and we've

01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:46.760
just got to keep on working really

01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.159
really hard  there's an

01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:51.000
acknowledgement that no matter how hard

01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:52.800
we work on our own Council emissions

01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:56.440
that they will still always be this

01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.880
residual amount of emissions and I think

01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.280
you know in particular when we look at

01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.280
the waves complex  you know just such

01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:05.400
a large percentage of council's

01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.920
emissions  you know   provided

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:12.280
from that one facility of council so and

01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.760
that to me also speaks to why it is so

01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.480
important when we're talking about the

01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.320
new Aquatic Center you know why we've

01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.039
been so bullish on you know ensuring

01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.360
that it is fully electri

01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:27.239
 given that you know we can see that I

01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:28.119
think

01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.079
75% of our emissions are attributed 

01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:34.559
by one facility it's it's like quite

01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:37.880
quite a lot  I also wanted to make

01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:41.039
note of the fact that there's like  in

01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:43.360
the report because I know local

01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:45.840
governments often get a bit of a

01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:50.159
hounding in terms of  our attention in

01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.719
this space  but I I think it's

01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.599
important to note that  well as I knew

01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:57.039
already but it was good that it was here

01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.840
in the in the  report just around the

01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:03.519
Local Government Act 2020 saying that 

01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:05.119
mitigation and planning for climate

01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:06.800
change risks and planning for the

01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.000
economic social and environmental

01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:12.239
sustainability of of the municipal

01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.280
district is a legal requirement for

01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.000
councils so  you know this is

01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:20.639
something that we're  required  to

01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.280
follow as as per the act as are all

01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:25.880
other municipalities within Victoria as

01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.360
well so leave it there thanks thank you

01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:30.800
very much Council Hill councilor Bey

01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.320
would you like to speak to this

01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:37.840
item thank you mayor jdb  I I fully

01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:41.800
concur with what councilor Hill says 

01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:44.119
and and just note the report that really

01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.480
it shows that we're not just talking it

01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:50.320
we where we're walking through this and

01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.360
sometimes it's not easy to do  you

01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:57.199
know we our emissions actually did go up

01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.239
we it wasn't that we weren't expecting

01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:01.079
it because obviously our Council

01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:06.679
Services   after Co you know we were

01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.639
expecting  a bit of a for it to to

01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.639
rise a little bit but it is good to see

01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:13.559
that we're certainly nowhere where we

01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:15.599
used to be  and a lot of what we have

01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.239
been able to implement is taking effect

01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:21.199
 and there's so many things that we're

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.559
doing so  those who are interested

01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.360
it's really worth a look at  at the

01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:28.679
detail of this report in terms of the

01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:30.480
actions that we're doing and their

01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:33.519
actual effect so  you know I've got to

01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:35.559
say thank you to the officers it's a lot

01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:37.760
of hard work it's never easy when you're

01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:40.400
doing this and you you've really got to

01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:44.280
 keep your eye on new technologies 

01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:45.639
and sometimes you're at the bleeding

01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.320
edge and sometimes you got to wait until

01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.039
the right technology comes through as

01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:51.079
well but it's really good to see how

01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.199
many areas we are working in  and to

01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.119
reduce emissions and  thank you to all

01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:59.400
the officers in all the different teams

01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:02.880
that have that have helped to   to

01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:04.480
get us where we are and will'll continue

01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.639
to do so in the near in in Into the

01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.400
Future so thank you very much thanks

01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:11.840
thank you very much councilor Bley would

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:13.400
any other councilors like to speak to

01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.679
this

01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:23.119
item Council Hill would you like to

01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.800
close

01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.119
yeah  I thought it was also just worth

01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.239
pointing out I I sit on SEC or Southeast

01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:33.480
council's climate change Alliance as the

01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:35.880
deputy chair and sitting in on those

01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.079
meetings one thing that's really evident

01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.400
is just how Innovative  city of

01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.159
Kingston is in this space  I I think

01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:45.639
we bring so much to the table our

01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:49.440
officers do a fantastic job in this area

01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.639
 when we look at the initiatives that

01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:55.079
we're following  we're often sort of

01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.679
you know real  leaders in in what

01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.920
we're doing  and I think Council other

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.239
councils do look at look to Kingston to

01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:07.119
 take a bit of a lead on on some of

01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:08.679
these initiatives that we've put in

01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:13.480
place  what like I think a really fun

01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:16.119
example of that too is  the you know

01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.039
the   sustainability sustainable

01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:21.800
Business Awards that we held  I think

01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:23.679
it was September last year memory serves

01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.159
with

01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.559
 but that's just a great way to

01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.039
acknowledge businesses it's for one

01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.280
we've got businesses who are doing great

01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.280
work in this space already in Kingston

01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:36.679
but as well we are one of the leading

01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.559
councils in order to help facilitate

01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.039
businesses do even better work and

01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:44.599
reduce their emissions even further so

01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:47.039
 it was a great event it was so well

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:51.239
attended  really great speeches  and

01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.159
I I think you know it just goes to show

01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.000
 all the positive things that are

01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.159
happening within Kingston and  also

01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:01.159
it's an inaugural event it was just so

01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:02.840
fantastic to see an event so well

01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:05.199
supported so can't wait to see the 

01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.480
the event this year and  what happens

01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:09.599
there so thank you thank you councilor

01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:11.880
hill I'll put this item to the vote all

01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:13.880
those in

01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:18.000
favour thank you I declare that carried

01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.400
unanimously next item on our agenda this

01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.800
evening is item 9.1 contract 22 029

01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:26.880
Bushland and foresaw weed control of

01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:28.639
defined sites councilors do we have a

01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:32.000
motion councilor Davies a

01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.760
seconder councilor Bley councilor Davies

01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:36.480
do you wish to speak to this item

01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:39.199
councilor Bley does this item require

01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:40.079
any

01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.039
debate councilors I'll put this item 

01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.199
to the vote all those in

01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.760
favour I declare that carried

01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:52.159
unanimously next item is 9.2 contract

01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.840
1850 storm water drainage

01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:59.880
maintenance councilors do we have a

01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.159
motion councilor Davies thank you and

01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:07.320
councilor Hill councilors does this item

01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.840
require any

01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.280
debate I'll put this item to the vote

01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.039
all those in

01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:19.000
favour I'll declare that carried

01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:22.199
unanimously the next item on the agenda

01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:27.360
is 9.3 special rate and special charges

01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:32.719
policy councilors I'll look to you for a

01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.880
motion councilor Davies moving and do we

01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:40.480
have a seconder councilor

01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:43.719
Cochran councilor Davies or councilor

01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.960
cofen and any other counselor wishing to

01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:50.000
speak to this motion any debate

01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.559
required I'll put this item to the vote

01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.679
all those in favour

01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.760
I declare that carried

01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.039
unanimously thank you councilors we're

01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.239
now moving on to item 10.1 which is the

01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:07.039
local government Victoria reforms

01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:11.159
consultation councilors do we have a

01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.280
motion councilor Hill you're moving the

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:16.720
motion as it appears on the screen thank

01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:18.560
you do we have a

01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:21.079
seconder councilor Cochran thank you

01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:22.560
councilor Hill do you wish to speak to

01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:25.840
this item

01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:31.079
yes thank you mayor jdb thank look just

01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:34.920
a real simple one there's  a 

01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.399
consultation in place at the moment on

01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:40.520
reforms being pro  proposed by local

01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.359
government Victoria  just the reason

01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:45.399
why I thought it was  good to speak to

01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.760
this I did sit in on a on a

01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.920
  a zoom a zoom meeting or teams

01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.520
meeting on Thursday I think it was a lot

01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:58.880
of  councils were present at that 

01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.319
it was quite clear that a lot of the

01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:04.199
councils present were planning to do

01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:08.039
something similar in terms of  putting

01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:11.039
putting forward a sort of a position of

01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.079
of Council on the proposed reforms 

01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.720
from what I from what I glean from 

01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:19.760
the conversation that was had there were

01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.199
some councils who were

01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:26.159
probably taking harder stance  on all

01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.119
of the proposed reforms I think where

01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.000
we've landed is probably a sensible kind

01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:33.880
of Middle Ground where we're saying well

01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:36.039
we agree with some of the reforms but

01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.359
maybe we need a bit more clarification

01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:39.920
or we're not so comfortable with some

01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:43.000
others so  that's what we've kind of

01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:45.399
highlighted here  that's in this

01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.800
report so yeah I I think it's it's a

01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:49.239
sensible well-measured

01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:51.720
approach  that we're taking on this so

01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:53.399
that's all I wanted to say thank you

01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:55.039
thank thank you very much councilor Hill

01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:56.319
councilor Cochran do you wish to speak

01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:59.319
to this item all Reserve thank you may

01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.479
jdb thank you councilor Cochran

01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:04.720
councilor

01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:07.479
Oxley thank you  this has been one of

01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:09.600
these ones that I've been following for

01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:12.439
quite a while  and we'll probably

01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:14.000
agree with Council Hill in terms of this

01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.079
being a bit of a balanced approach where

01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.079
I wouldn't agree with Council Hill is by

01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.039
going as far to say is maybe we're not

01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:22.600
so happy them I can say personally

01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:23.960
there's two of the items which are the

01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:25.399
ones that council's listed as not

01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.479
supporting in the reforms that I'm quite

01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.840
frankly quite disgusted about  that

01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.199
they're even being proposed and I think

01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:36.000
what it does is it takes away the rights

01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:38.520
of a counselor who is the subject of an

01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:41.199
internal arbitration or the subject of a

01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:43.840
counselor code of conduct panel they

01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:47.039
have their rights taken away from them

01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:48.319
in what's being

01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:51.800
proposed and I think the fact that even

01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:54.880
the state governments put that forward

01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:58.359
is very concerning about where councils

01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.159
are heading and where the state

01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.600
government sees councils as heading the

01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:04.439
council code of conduct system in my

01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.760
view of what is in the 2020 Act is

01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:09.800
broken it doesn't

01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.520
work it is unfair for councilors

01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.600
subjected to those and I think the fact

01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:17.520
that Council has put here that we do not

01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.680
support those proposed reforms is

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.720
something I I very much support for

01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:24.840
those watching that might not be overly

01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:27.319
aware of what is being put forward so

01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:29.239
council is saying that we do not support

01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:32.159
this this evening but the idea that we

01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.079
would limit the ability for a counselor

01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:37.479
who has received a finding from an

01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:39.079
internal arbitration or a counselor code

01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:42.039
of conduct panel The Proposal is to

01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:44.439
limit their ability to go to vcat to

01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:47.159
appeal that in order to appeal that they

01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.279
would have to go to the Supreme

01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:52.520
Court costing that counselor a

01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:54.600
significant amount of of money to appeal

01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:56.039
that

01:11:56.119 --> 01:12:00.359
decision then with that the proposal is

01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.039
that Council must not indemnify

01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.239
councilors in relation to the internal

01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:07.239
arbitration process and the counselor

01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:10.000
code of conduct panel process so not

01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:12.359
only do they have to front up freay

01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.279
defense in an internal arbitration or

01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:17.279
front up freay defense in a counsel code

01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:18.279
of conduct

01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.199
panel and I'm not saying those those

01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:23.800
processes may or may not be justified

01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:27.199
but if they are not that counselor must

01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:28.800
front up for their own defense in both

01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.239
of those processes and if they disagree

01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:33.159
with the decision must then front up the

01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:34.920
money themselves to go to the Supreme

01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:37.479
Court to defend themselves in a role

01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:40.640
that most councilors take on board for

01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.119
the benefit of their community that is

01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:45.640
why we do this that is why we are

01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:48.560
here now there are some instances where

01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:50.239
code of conduct panels and internal

01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:54.319
arbitration processes are Justified

01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:56.880
but there are some where they're not and

01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:58.399
the proposed reforms that are being put

01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:00.119
forward I'm very grateful that council

01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:02.439
is saying we do not support those

01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:04.960
reforms but personally to even have that

01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:06.079
come

01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:08.199
forward I think is a

01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:10.359
disgrace so I'm very grateful that

01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:12.680
council is taking this stance and would

01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:16.000
hope that the state government

01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:18.560
listen thank you councilor Oxley and

01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.439
also for  just outlining for those who

01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:24.039
can't see the appendix  on the screen

01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:26.319
so that people are aware I've just

01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:27.520
checked with governance we're not able

01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:28.720
to bring that up on the screen

01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:31.000
unfortunately so I'll alert people who

01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:33.039
may have papers in front of them on the

01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:36.279
iPads or her at home that we're  just

01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:39.319
been discussing the points at item

01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:43.359
3.1  and it's 3.1.1 and

01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:45.479
3.1.2  just so that you're aware of

01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.119
what appendix 2 is and thank you again

01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:49.680
Council Oxley for outlining that for

01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:51.079
people who are

01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:53.479
watching any other councilors wishing to

01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:55.920
speak thank you Council thank you madam

01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:59.479
mayor  just to mention you know last

01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:01.079
year when I was sitting there I was

01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:02.239
appointed to the local government

01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:04.319
mayoral advisory panel  with the

01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:05.680
minister where we were discussing a

01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:07.000
whole range of things including the

01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:09.239
councilor code of conduct system 

01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:11.319
including these reforms that we kind of

01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:12.880
knew were bubbling away potentially

01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.239
going to occur  we didn't realize what

01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:16.560
they looked like we knew they were going

01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:18.079
to come we didn't really understand the

01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:19.319
full scope but we knew they were going

01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:21.760
to come before the new  election cycle

01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:23.439
and that was kind of the the the

01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.880
timeline of that they were working on 

01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:29.039
I will say though I think I do

01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.039
appreciate that there has been reform or

01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:32.199
that they're working through trying to

01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:33.680
fix the system or trying to fix or

01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:35.840
create a better environment for local

01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.239
government to operate in and for

01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:39.720
councilors who are elected  to have a

01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:42.680
balanced Equitable place to work and 

01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:44.680
you know and as Council Oxley really

01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.560
very rightly said to actually do

01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:49.319
community service like this is is for

01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:52.239
our community it's an act of of of will

01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.239
that we feel it's not it's not you don't

01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:55.920
do it for any other reason unless you

01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:57.600
really cared about your community and

01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.880
wanted to make an impact there  what I

01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:02.640
will say though is some of these and and

01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:05.720
I am pretty supportive of the proposed

01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:07.359
reforms that we're putting forward as

01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:09.600
well  and I will agree with Council

01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.680
roxley as well I think  in to a degree

01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:14.880
that the counsel code of conduct system

01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:18.479
is is pretty flawed it needs to be it

01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:19.840
needs to be reworked it needs to be

01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:21.439
highly considered I I do wish the

01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:23.680
minister had paid better attention to it

01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:25.159
but the reason I wanted to speak

01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:26.479
specifically on this one was actually

01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:28.039
just to make a more broader statement

01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.279
that right now in the local government

01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.079
sector we are being put and positioned

01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:34.439
and we had a very good workshop on this

01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:35.439
on the weekend but we're being

01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:37.800
positioned as almost the scapegoat for a

01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:40.279
lot of problems that happens across  a

01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:43.159
whole range of reasons  and to me

01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:44.479
honestly all of the things that are

01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:45.760
being Stripped Away from Council

01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.640
planning planning  powers and

01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:50.439
responsibilities  these type of

01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:52.560
reforms a lot of these things are

01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:55.039
actually in in my view positioning us

01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.479
even further as though that we are the

01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.079
reason for a lot of the issues that are

01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.439
occurring across the state and I I just

01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:03.720
think that isn't really representative

01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:05.359
of what's going on I don't think that's

01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:07.600
really fair for us to be put like that

01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:10.399
 but I do I do welcome these reform

01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:11.720
changes I do welcome that there is

01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:13.800
opportunity for consultation I just

01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:16.279
really do hope that  the state

01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:17.760
government actually considers the

01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:19.840
feedback from the consultation

01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:22.079
thoroughly and properly and actually

01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:23.560
listens to what

01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:25.199
 other local governments are putting

01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:27.039
forward in terms of their feedback on

01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:29.520
these  on these findings and I know

01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.439
Council Hill sat on a few sessions as

01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.399
well that M put on  I know the  VGA

01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:37.600
also did a session  and I just think

01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:39.079
it's really important that we do nail

01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:40.399
these but I do hope that they actually

01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:42.199
listen to the consultation and the

01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:44.960
feedback that's coming back thank you

01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:46.720
thank you counselor s would any other

01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:49.199
councilors like to speak thank you

01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.840
councilor Aiden  yes thank you for

01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.760
that opportunity I do believe that this

01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.960
is one step  in the process and would

01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:00.800
suggest that potentially a position

01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:02.880
needs to be taken potentially to the

01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:05.920
next  MAV conference as well if

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:08.039
advocacy is required to really sort of

01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:11.239
push  not only our submission  but

01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:13.199
other council's submissions which are

01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.960
largely aligning with this letter 

01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.680
across the state and I think there's 

01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.239
General consensus across the local

01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:24.520
government sector  around a few points

01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:26.079
the first would be that it would be

01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:28.800
great to see these same standards of

01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.800
conduct  imposed on members of

01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:34.560
parliament as well and that's not to say

01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:36.439
there are members of parliament here

01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:39.920
that I would name it's far from that but

01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:41.239
I think there are many members of

01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:44.000
parliament as we' have seen who will

01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:45.960
blame Council whether they blame

01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:48.359
corruption in the planning processes

01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.039
totally on Casey Council when in fact at

01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.680
a state level there were MPS doing the

01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.439
wrong thing  from many sides of

01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:59.119
politics so I think we as a local

01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:01.760
government sector as councilor Saab said

01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:04.000
are often used conveniently as a

01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.640
scapegoat and issues are blown out of

01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:09.119
proportion and then what I would say are

01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:12.279
somewhat  anti-democratic reforms like

01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:14.119
requiring people to go to the Supreme

01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:15.720
Court if they want to seek an appeal of

01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.560
a decision are then put in place to

01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:21.239
ensure that issues can never be properly

01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:23.479
ventilated in a court of law because the

01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:25.560
reality is there's very few people that

01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.960
can afford to go  to the Supreme Court

01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.479
the county court the high court  many

01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:33.199
businesses that can claim it as a tax

01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:35.680
deduction  aren't in that position

01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:39.600
either and I think if a  a suggestion

01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:41.199
was made that if you want to appeal your

01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:43.199
parking fine or your planning

01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:44.920
application you have to run off to the

01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:47.159
Supreme Court was put forward I think

01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:49.479
people would be genuinely outraged and

01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.600
this is a proposal that goes against 

01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:54.680
the principles that ministers espouse

01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:56.640
about caring about affordable and

01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:59.800
accessible justice so I do believe that

01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:02.079
not only should submissions be made to

01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:03.840
the minister for local government but

01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:05.239
also for the ministers that are

01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:08.319
responsible for  overseeing our courts

01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:11.159
access to Justice and the legal systems

01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.960
to see if what is espoused publicly

01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.399
around affordable Justice and accessible

01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:19.159
Justice is in fact  equally applied to

01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:22.000
the local government sector  because I

01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:24.920
do believe there many councilors who if

01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:26.680
you talled up the nber of hours they

01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:29.439
work would probably be working on2 or3

01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.159
per hour for the amount of time

01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:33.640
particularly in Regional councils 

01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.159
where they're driving hours a day many

01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.079
don't claim  even their fuel

01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.119
allowances so I think  often before

01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:43.319
imposing one's own views and 

01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:45.000
directions on others I think there

01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:48.039
should also be consideration at the m to

01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:50.520
 request that similar guidelines be 

01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:52.399
implemented at a state and federal level

01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:54.720
to make make sure MPS are trained as

01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:56.920
well  they follow a code of conduct

01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:58.479
that has the bar set at the same

01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:00.399
standard so I would  hope that that

01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:02.199
could come back for consideration at

01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:05.279
those  relevant points thank you thank

01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:07.439
you very much councilor Eden for your

01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:09.359
contribution any other councilors

01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:12.600
wishing to speak to this

01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:14.880
motion councilor Hill would you like to

01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:17.119
close I'll put the item to the vote all

01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:19.560
those in

01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:22.520
favour declare that carried unanimously

01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:23.880
thank thank

01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:27.800
you item 10.2 is the governance and

01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:29.800
compliance

01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:33.760
report councilors I believe we yes

01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:36.600
councilor Oxley thank you can I just

01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:38.239
clarify how to move this because I'm

01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:40.439
deferring a point Thank You Council

01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:41.800
Oxley I'll just confirm that with

01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:44.680
governance just one

01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:52.880
moment so Council Oxley governance have

01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:54.560
advised that you move what is on the

01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:56.880
screen which includes the text that has

01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:58.399
been

01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:02.239
struck yeah which was point

01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:05.399
two and there's an item  another

01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:06.920
addition at the bottom if we could just

01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:08.800
scroll I think I missed the bottom part

01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:11.239
that was all yeah does that reflect do

01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:12.880
you need a moment to review that no

01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:14.399
thank you so much councel Ox I'll just

01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:15.720
ask if we have a

01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.239
second councilor Davies thank you

01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:21.800
councilor Oxley thank you  for those

01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:24.000
watching at home or in Gallery what I'm

01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.720
seeking to do this evening  is to

01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:31.920
defer point two  which was seeking to

01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:33.880
change the instrents of Delegation for

01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:38.359
the chief executive officer to up the 

01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:41.039
essential limit I suppose  in that

01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:44.600
instrent  from $850,000 that

01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:48.239
delegation to 1.5 million  the reason

01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:49.680
why I'm seeking to defer that this

01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.640
evening is because there are a nber of

01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:53.479
concerns I have with increasing that

01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:56.479
limit to 1.5 million and that just to be

01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.640
clear is is not a reflection on Mr Beam

01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:01.720
that is more so just from the governance

01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:04.399
and oversight of the council and the

01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:06.079
benchmarking that I've done across a

01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:08.000
nber of different councils having now

01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:09.479
read a nber of instrents of

01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:11.840
Delegation over the past couple of days

01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.520
 that that would be quite significant

01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:17.199
across the sector upping that to 1.5

01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:20.000
million is is pretty much almost unheard

01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:23.600
of  a nber of those sit at either

01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:26.159
500,000 or 1 million there are a couple

01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:28.399
of councils that are slightly above that

01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:30.880
that I would say are in different

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:32.680
circstances  they could be under

01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:35.479
administrators or  under different

01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:39.279
acts I suppose as well  so I I would

01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:41.039
suggest that perhaps this needs a little

01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:42.560
bit more discussion there are a nber

01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:44.479
of suggestions that I would make in

01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.279
terms of perhaps streamlining that

01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:48.279
process to allow the CEO to make those

01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:50.720
decisions in perhaps

01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:53.319
more sort of operation

01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:55.720
 contracts so things like drainage

01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:57.920
Awards and those types of things 

01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.159
where I think it would be appropriate

01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:01.840
for the CEO to make those decisions but

01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:03.720
those more Community facing projects

01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:05.840
those more public projects the ones that

01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:08.800
I think require more scrutiny and that's

01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:10.520
not to say that the other ones don't

01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:12.359
require scrutiny at all but I would say

01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:14.960
there are contracts that require more

01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:17.720
scrutiny  I I think definitely do need

01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:19.600
to come to council we do need to see

01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:21.600
those  so there'd be a couple of

01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:23.119
things i' I'd like to just work through

01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:25.159
and discuss rather than having this come

01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:27.199
this evening we may end up in the same

01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:30.039
position but certainly a $1.5 million

01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.399
delegation is not something that I would

01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:34.079
be willing to support at this time

01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:35.960
without further discussion and really

01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:37.880
working through that so that's what I'm

01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:39.880
proposing this evening  the other

01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:41.880
items that are within this report

01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:43.960
they're all pretty basic they're all

01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.840
straightforward  so don't have any

01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:47.560
issues with those but that one I

01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:49.399
certainly would prefer to be deferred

01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:52.399
and for further discussion thank you

01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:54.079
thank you very much councilor

01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:56.399
Oxley councilor Davies would you like to

01:23:56.479 --> 01:23:58.199
speak to the motion  yes just very

01:23:58.279 --> 01:23:59.640
briefly I just wanted to support

01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:01.399
councilor Oxley in relation to this

01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:04.640
motion I don't see that there's any 

01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:06.640
disadvantage to us as councilors

01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:08.439
deferring I actually say it's beneficial

01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:10.680
to us to obtain more information the

01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:13.159
benchmarking information  and of

01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:15.800
course if something does come up that's

01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.319
urgent in the next month or so before we

01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:20.239
get another report on this particular

01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:22.760
point we can always call a special

01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:24.359
meeting if for some reason some sort of

01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:26.880
contract has to be signed that's over

01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.479
the current delegations so I do think

01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.000
the more information you have on these

01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:32.800
issues the more well informed you are

01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:34.039
and the better position you are to make

01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:36.520
a decision thank you thank you very much

01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:37.960
councilor Davies would any other

01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.399
counselor like to speak to the

01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.880
motion Council oxy do you wish to close

01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:47.960
thank you I'll put the item to the vote

01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:50.640
all those in

01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:55.359
favour I declare that carried

01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:00.439
unanimously next item on the agenda is

01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:03.239
item 11.1 which is commercial use of

01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:06.119
council land

01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:10.079
policy councilors do we have a

01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.520
motion councilor

01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:18.640
Beasley and councilor Dave

01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:20.800
seconding councilors would you like to

01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:23.079
speak to the motion this this item

01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:24.479
required

01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:26.800
debate no any other councilors wishing

01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.159
to

01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:30.840
speak

01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.560
no I'll put the item to the vote then

01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:35.840
all those in

01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:37.840
favour I'll declare that carried

01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:41.039
unanimously thank

01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:47.039
you the next item is 11.2 cly Finance

01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:49.479
report December

01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:54.279
2023 councilors do we have a motion

01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:57.800
thank you councilor

01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:02.840
Oxley seconded Council Council Saab thank

01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:06.319
you is any debate required thank you all

01:26:06.399 --> 01:26:08.159
right I'll put this item to the vote all

01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:09.920
those in

01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:11.520
favour

01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:14.720
oh thank you and we'll note unanimous

01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:18.159
and  thanks for our cfo's hard

01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:21.119
work 

01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:24.199
then

01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:26.439
our CFO is looking very pleased please

01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:29.399
pass on our thanks to the

01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.079
team all right the next item on the

01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:36.079
agenda is item 12.1 notice of motion and

01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:38.600
Council Oxley parking in Chelsea thank

01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:40.000
you as it appears on the screen and in

01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:42.520
the agenda please thank you very much do

01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:45.159
we have a seconder councilor Beasley

01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:47.399
thank you councilor Oxley thank you I

01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:48.840
will be brief with this one because it

01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.039
is an issue that we've spoken about a

01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:53.039
lot not only in this C counc but also in

01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.520
the past Council  it is an issue that

01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:59.159
I hear from residents on regularly and

01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:00.720
I'm very sorry that we haven't been able

01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.720
to find solutions to this issue that has

01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.800
been ongoing for a nber of years we've

01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:07.359
tried different things along the way I

01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:09.079
think those have made improvements in

01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:11.000
particular the in the Woolworth Chelsea

01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.960
car park  but it's still a bit of a

01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:15.960
nightmare if you've driven in Chelsea

01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:18.079
and had to enter any of those car Parks

01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:22.600
during smer it is n impossible 

01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:24.520
and I I do apologize to all of the local

01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:26.640
residents who do have those difficulties

01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:27.960
just going to get their shopping on a

01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:30.239
hot day so I fully understand and we are

01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:32.600
working towards solutions for this what

01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:34.399
I'm asking for this evening is noting

01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:36.159
all of those issues noting all of that

01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:38.079
feedback that we have had from residents

01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.600
in the Long Beach area that we bring

01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:42.560
back a report to council outlining

01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:44.680
options for the introduction of paid

01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:47.159
parking for non-residents in the car

01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:48.680
park surrounding the Chelsea shopping

01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:50.439
strip and wwor in

01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:52.600
Chelsea the reason why I'm asking for

01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:55.000
this and I I do really want to specify

01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:56.680
here that it is paid parking for

01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:59.239
non-residents is what we're looking at

01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:01.159
and that is a really really key

01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:03.560
Point residents come to me and they say

01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:05.640
I can't get down to Woolworth to do my

01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:08.039
shopping I can't get down to the Chelsea

01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:09.880
shopping strip to visit any of the

01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:11.880
wonderful traders that we have along the

01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:14.560
Chelsea shopping strip simply because

01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:17.119
those car parks are filled with beach

01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.520
goers and we want them to come along to

01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:21.479
our beaches we really really do the

01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:24.199
Kingston Beach we have are beautiful

01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:26.840
They are packed out on smer days but

01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:28.479
we still need people to be able to visit

01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:30.479
our shops to be able to spend their

01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:32.479
money with our local Traders and to be

01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:34.760
able to just get their basic necessities

01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:36.960
at the shops when they need it and right

01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:40.199
now that can't happen for a lot of

01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:42.520
people they simply can't do it they have

01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:44.479
to go down to Mor ALC which I'm not sure

01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:46.920
is any better but they go down to Mor

01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:49.319
alic or they need to go down to patteron

01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.600
Lakes which again has its challenges

01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:53.479
with car parking as well they also head

01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:54.840
down to aspendell Gardens which is

01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:56.560
probably one of the most accessible ones

01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:59.159
in the area on a hot day but the

01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:01.560
challenges we face is that Chelsea is

01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:05.159
one of the only areas that doesn't have

01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:06.880
paid car

01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:09.680
parking when you look at along the

01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:12.560
foreshore Kingston is one of the areas

01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:14.319
where we do have a little bit of paid

01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.039
car parking in our main foreshore car

01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:19.600
Parks but once you get back from there

01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:22.399
there isn't any paid car parking

01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:24.439
so where do people come they come to a

01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:26.880
beautiful beach they come to an area

01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:28.359
where they don't have to pay for

01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:30.800
parking and even with the fine of an

01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:32.600
overstay when we are managing to get

01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:35.159
local laws officers out there that's

01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:36.800
just all in a day of going to the beach

01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:38.159
and the cost of going to the beach for

01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:40.439
people but it still doesn't resolve the

01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:42.399
problem for local residents who can't

01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:45.079
access their local shopping strips so I

01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:46.800
am fully acknowledging that this is a

01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:50.079
complicated challenging issue which is

01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:51.560
why I haven't put a timeline on this

01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:52.680
report

01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:54.720
I know that this is a priority of

01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:56.399
something we're looking at but I want

01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:58.840
this to be fully considered so that

01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:01.279
we're not rushing into it we've had this

01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:03.880
problem for many many many years another

01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:07.399
one probably won't hurt us but to know

01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:08.640
that this is something that is on the

01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:10.600
radar that is something that we are

01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:12.680
looking at that we are exploring all of

01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:14.439
the different options that we

01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:18.119
have and to look at how we can implement

01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:21.239
it it has to be done now is the time to

01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:24.279
have this ation the residents of Chelsea

01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:26.960
are now asking for this and it's been

01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:28.079
something that I was a little bit

01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:30.079
concerned about in the past about

01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:31.359
perhaps it might not be something that

01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.319
the residents of Chelsea would accept

01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:37.000
they now are the ones asking for it

01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:38.079
that's why I've put this here this

01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:41.079
evening point five in this  I'm asking

01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:43.079
for on behalf of those residents as well

01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:45.079
who every hot day ask me where are our

01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:47.439
local laws offices and I know that

01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:49.319
they're there because I get that fine

01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:51.880
data but I think we do need to be able

01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.119
to publicize

01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:56.960
something to ensure that our residents

01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:59.720
know our local laws teams are out there

01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:01.520
they are finding people and they are

01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:03.840
doing what they need to do I'll hear the

01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:05.760
rest of the debate but I really hope

01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.279
that this can be supported this evening

01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:10.399
thank you very much councilor Oxley

01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:11.960
councilor basley would you like to speak

01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:13.520
to this

01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:17.000
item thank you mayor jdb yeah I whole

01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:19.399
heart wholeheartedly support this this

01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:21.239
has been a problem that's been ongoing

01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:25.880
for for many years now in in Chelsea and

01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:28.720
 we make little Headway so we do make

01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:31.319
some Headway we got some permits for our

01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:34.279
traders in  probably about six or so

01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:36.199
years ago and they seem to be quite

01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:38.439
happy with how that's working but that's

01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:40.760
an area that probably also needs to be

01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:43.800
considered with all of this as well 

01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:46.119
unfortunately I've heard what councilor

01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:48.000
Oxley is saying about the fact that

01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:50.960
people will come down Park their vehicle

01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:54.319
and and risk the fine because they think

01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:56.640
oh well $70 that's a good day out as

01:31:56.720 --> 01:31:58.119
long as there's five of us in the car

01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:00.920
we'll split up the the fine I don't know

01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:02.800
whether they get where they're at $70

01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.199
fine but there's only a risk of it so

01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:07.399
you know you park there four or five

01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:09.800
times you you may not even get caught

01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:12.560
once  and that's where I think we've

01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:15.119
really got to consider the the stress

01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:17.840
the beach the beach being in so close

01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.359
proximity to the shopping center is

01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:23.800
causing  you know I do disagree with

01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:26.119
councilor Oxley I think they're actually

01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:29.039
rather than  Patterson lakes or Mor

01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:30.760
alic I do actually think they're rather

01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.600
likely to go to aspendale Gardens I've

01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:34.600
met many Chelsea residents in aspendale

01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:36.399
Gardens shopping center it may be

01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:38.000
because it's had a beautiful new

01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:41.279
facelift  a lot of parking and we and

01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:43.159
you know we welcome every resident of

01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:44.640
Chelsea there if they'd like to do their

01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:47.560
shopping there that's absolutely fine 

01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:50.039
but it's it's unfortunate for them that

01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:52.079
they've got to travel so far in order to

01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:54.520
find a park  and you will get a good

01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:56.600
park there there is plenty of good

01:32:56.680 --> 01:32:58.840
parking in aspendale gardens very good

01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:01.079
service there as well

01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:03.319
however I think they prefer to use their

01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:05.119
local one and we got to try and make

01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:08.159
that work for them so  yeah fully end

01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:10.600
 fully support this I'm glad councilor

01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:13.000
Oxley is bringing it up it it is

01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:14.800
complicated I'm not expecting that that

01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:16.439
there's one Silver Bullet that's going

01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:18.279
to solve the whole thing  but there's

01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:20.479
got to be a way that residents during

01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:22.079
smer can use

01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:24.960
their local shopping center thanks thank

01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:26.520
you very much councilor

01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:28.720
Beasley would any other councilors like

01:33:28.800 --> 01:33:30.319
to speak to this

01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.800
motion councilor

01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:37.239
Hill thank you and again I just want to

01:33:37.319 --> 01:33:39.720
 throw my support behind all of those

01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:41.840
Five Dot points I think they really are

01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.920
on point  as to what's being requested

01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:49.000
here  like with regards to I think

01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.520
it's  nber nber two like I've EXP

01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:52.800
actually experienced that in other

01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:55.880
shopping centers where  you know I

01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:57.960
preSaably they've had a similar problem

01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:00.600
where people would come along and maybe

01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:03.359
overstay whereas just by having a period

01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:05.399
of free parking it sort of focuses the

01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:07.479
Mind people come do what they need to do

01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:09.199
and leave so they're not necessarily

01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:11.520
clogging up the street parking for

01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.520
everybody else so I think that could

01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.920
bring about some some good change  and

01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:19.479
with regards to I I know the the people

01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:21.680
in this area of Kingston have really

01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:23.840
suffered from  some pretty poor

01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.680
Behavior by visitors to the area in in

01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.720
smertime  like there's

01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:34.279
the instances are quite obvious where

01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:37.119
people are sort of parking on a on a

01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:39.760
let's say a 2p area and overstaying but

01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:41.720
you know I've even heard of and I think

01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:43.600
you know our officers all too often hear

01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:45.680
about cases where people drive a park

01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:47.479
over driveways and all all sorts of

01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:49.680
things that you know it's it's pretty

01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:52.079
terrible I know I know it's actually led

01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:54.000
to people moving you know because they

01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:56.359
were so sick of having to deal with it

01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:59.680
smer after smer so  you know we

01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:02.399
obviously need to do something  I do

01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:05.199
also note that  what in the officer

01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:07.800
advice that there's  the first do

01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:10.720
Point around  ensuring that there's a

01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:13.039
consistent provide for consistency

01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.880
across the municipality as well I I do

01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:20.479
not  paid parking is now along  the

01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:22.840
stretch of Beach Road and that area of

01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:25.359
of city of Bayside  it may be

01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:27.680
something that we want to consider 

01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.000
for for the similar reasons  in parts

01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:32.760
of Kingston along the the the foreshore

01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:35.439
there and Beach Road as well so I would

01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:37.039
hope that when we're putting together

01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:39.880
this report we can have a look into

01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:42.279
learnings from other municipalities and

01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:44.439
and you know hopefully Implement what's

01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:47.119
whato is working elsewhere so we're not

01:35:47.199 --> 01:35:49.840
Reinventing the wheel so thank you thank

01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:53.800
you very much councilor Hill any other

01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:56.199
councilors thank you Council oxy would

01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:58.479
you like to close no councilors I'll put

01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:00.560
this item to the vote all those in

01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.479
favour I declare that carried unanimously

01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:04.880
thank

01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:08.800
you the next item on the agenda is 12.2

01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:11.079
notice of motion councilor Oxley foresaw

01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:13.600
waste collection councilor Oxley thank

01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:16.640
you  if we can just go

01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:23.920
to one yeah and after General

01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:29.039
waste if we can put in at

01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:31.000
least

01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:34.600
35 Street

01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:37.319
entrances to the fores shore so it'

01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:41.199
remove at each Street

01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:46.119
entrance and then if we can put at the

01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:49.479
end of that point still in the same

01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.840
point that priority be

01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:02.159
given to locations

01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:06.039
known to be high

01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:10.000
traffic comma near car

01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:14.560
Parks comma life saving

01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:18.560
clubs or the Chelsea

01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:23.199
pi

01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:25.640
thank you and I'd like to move it you'd

01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:27.079
like to move that thank you Council

01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:28.760
Oxley do we have a

01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:31.199
seconder thank you councilor Davies

01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:34.399
councilor Oxley thank you this is one of

01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:36.279
those issues I have been talking about

01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:40.279
now for many many years  and I'm going

01:37:40.359 --> 01:37:41.680
to be really honest with everyone who's

01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.079
watching this motion is here just out of

01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:46.119
frustration and frustration not just

01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:48.880
from me but frustration from

01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:50.920
particularly my Chelsea residents who

01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:52.800
have have been so incredibly patient

01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:55.279
with us over the years while we work

01:37:55.359 --> 01:37:57.640
through the issue of bins on the

01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:00.680
foreshore and I can assure them we have

01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.079
been trying to work through this

01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:07.079
issue but I I do acknowledge and

01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:10.159
apologize that we are in the pretty much

01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:12.600
the exact same position as we have been

01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:15.279
so from that perspective I apologize but

01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:17.000
thank them so much for their patience

01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:20.439
with us I know that over recent hot

01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:21.680
weekends

01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:23.960
it has been better and that's the

01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:25.239
reporting that I've been getting back

01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.000
from residents with some of the things

01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:30.000
that we have been putting in place the

01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:31.920
huge amount of rubbish on the

01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:34.680
foreshore has been better contained in

01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:36.880
the extra bins that we've put down there

01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:38.920
in the skip bins that we've put down

01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.560
there and perhaps just maybe and maybe

01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:43.319
I'm being hopeful a little bit of a

01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:45.199
behavior change from people visiting the

01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:47.520
foreshore who perhaps are seeing rubbish

01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:49.720
flowing everywhere and saying that's not

01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:52.600
great I have to say I I feel the same

01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:54.079
it's not great when I see the photos

01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:55.840
come through from residents weekend

01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:58.359
after weekend of we've still got rubbish

01:38:58.439 --> 01:39:00.279
flowing on the foreshore going into our

01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.760
Bay it is not what we want it is not

01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:04.920
what we should be doing and we have to

01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:07.840
fix it even just in the shortterm while

01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:09.920
we work through any contractual issues

01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:11.439
and any other operational issues or

01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:15.680
changes that we have we need a fix we

01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:18.439
need a fix even just temporarily while

01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:21.600
we fix the rest of it that's why this is

01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:24.800
here what this is asking for is that

01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:26.760
considering all of the the challenges

01:39:26.840 --> 01:39:28.199
that we've had considering all of the

01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:30.439
reports of the issues with rubbish on

01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:32.720
the foreshore that until the end of

01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:36.079
April we provide those extra red lied or

01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:39.039
similar type receptical rubbish bins for

01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:41.479
General waste on the foreshore so that

01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:43.359
should cater for any of those super hot

01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:44.880
days where we've been having these

01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.119
problems and that we provide those now

01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:49.399
at 35 Street entrances rather than each

01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:51.840
of the street entrances that we give

01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:53.680
priority to the areas that we have had

01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:55.920
those reports that we have seen those

01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.000
issues that is in those high traffic

01:39:58.079 --> 01:39:59.680
areas near the car Parks life saving

01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:01.359
clubs and particularly around the

01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:02.520
Chelsea

01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:05.319
Pier that we provide extra signage

01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:06.720
directing people to where the nearest

01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:08.479
rubish bin is even if that's just core

01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.399
flute signage I'm not fussed it doesn't

01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:11.920
have to comply with our branding or

01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:14.479
wayfinding strategy that doesn't bother

01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:16.239
me and I'm not sure it bothers residents

01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:18.640
either I think if we're just putting

01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:21.039
some core fluts down there to say this

01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:23.319
is where the nearest bin bin is take

01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.479
your rubbish with you to the nearest bin

01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:27.760
you shouldn't be dping it next to

01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:29.399
already full

01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:31.760
bins that we get that report which I

01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:33.800
understand is already coming into where

01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:35.800
we can put our bins so they're more

01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:37.800
easily accessible not just for residents

01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:39.920
but also for our contractors to collect

01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:41.319
because that's been part of the issue as

01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:43.840
well to have those extra collections

01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:46.279
during warm weather and actually use

01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:49.199
them because if we can make those bins

01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:51.000
more accessible we can get them

01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:53.359
collected more often we're not going to

01:40:53.439 --> 01:40:55.479
have this problem next smer

01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:57.600
fundamentally the problem has arisen

01:40:57.680 --> 01:40:59.079
because there's too much rubbish for the

01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:00.520
nber of bins that we have on the

01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:03.000
collection cycle that we're on that is

01:41:03.079 --> 01:41:04.840
that is fundamentally the issue and we

01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:07.000
need to try and fix all of those for

01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.920
next smer at least now while we're

01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.960
finishing this end of this hot weather

01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:14.079
we can hopefully have some extra bins

01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:16.680
down there to cada for that the last one

01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:18.439
that I'm after and that is looking at

01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:20.199
that urgent report in terms of earlier

01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:21.720
collections

01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:23.239
because I think there are a nber of

01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:25.039
residents I think that would much prefer

01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:28.239
to be woken up at perhaps 6:00 than say

01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:30.119
Stacks and stacks of rubbish flowing

01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:31.239
down the foreshore when they take their

01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:33.439
dogs for a walk at 7:30 8:00 in the

01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.359
morning I think for the maybe 10 to 15

01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:39.039
hot days we get they could probably deal

01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:41.560
with it I could be wrong they could come

01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:43.399
back and say absolutely not cancer oxy

01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:44.359
we don't want that we don't want to be

01:41:44.439 --> 01:41:46.479
woken up but I think from what I've

01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:47.720
heard from a nber of residents that

01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:49.000
live on the beach and they are the ones

01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:51.119
reporting these issues they be pretty

01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:54.000
happy with that I hope that this can be

01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:55.520
supported this evening that we can get

01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:56.920
that further information that we can

01:41:57.000 --> 01:41:59.119
take some action CU it's so desperately

01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.920
desperately needs to be

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.920
done thank you councilor Oxley councilor

01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:06.800
Davies would you like to speak thank you

01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:08.560
 thank you I just wanted to support

01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:11.760
this motion  as well I do have to say

01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:14.720
it's actually pretty sad that  because

01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:16.600
I do know our Council staff work really

01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:18.560
really hard on trying to deal with this

01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:20.840
rubbish issue and we have had some you

01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:22.359
know tremendous problems that they are

01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:25.199
trying to overcome I you know walk down

01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:26.760
the beach you know three or four times a

01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:29.319
week I am staggered when I go along the

01:42:29.399 --> 01:42:32.560
beach and walk along a Mor alic piia for

01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:34.800
the amount of rubbish that people leave

01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:36.960
behind I'm like if this is what you do

01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:38.600
on our beaches and our peers I'd hate to

01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:40.319
see what your house looks like that you

01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:41.439
know you think there's some sort of hard

01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:43.079
rubbish collection going on so you can

01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:45.239
just dp everything and you have no

01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:47.319
moral compass and you find that half

01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:48.960
these things end up in the water and the

01:42:49.039 --> 01:42:51.560
fish are going to you know fishing wires

01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:54.079
and bottles and you know it's actually

01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:56.640
really quite an indictment on some of

01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:58.880
our beach goers that they are so lazy

01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:00.279
they can't even be bother taking the

01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:03.199
rubbish home  and but we need to deal

01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:04.960
with it because our residents are left

01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:07.560
with it so the more bins that we can get

01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:09.840
down there and the better service we can

01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:12.920
provide  in smer you know there's

01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:16.039
not much of Smer left unfortunately

01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:17.920
and then they'll disappear into the

01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:20.960
ether these beach goers but  if we can

01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:23.800
support our residents and our community

01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:25.239
because nobody likes to see a lot of

01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:28.760
rubbish Left Behind thank you thank you

01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:30.119
councilor Davies would any other

01:43:30.199 --> 01:43:32.720
councilor like to speak to this motion

01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.239
councilor

01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:38.279
Beasley thank you mayor jdb I really

01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:40.920
think this first point will help to

01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:44.359
inform the reports as well  it's 35

01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:45.720
bins

01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:48.680
for  until the end of April we

01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:52.479
probably got about 5 six really hot days

01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:55.000
to come and I think it'll be good to see

01:43:55.079 --> 01:43:57.680
whether this is a way of solving it or

01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:00.199
it's not so it will add to what we've

01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:03.399
got in terms of information  but also

01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:05.159
I think it will show show residents this

01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:06.840
is what it looks like if this is what we

01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:09.159
were going to do and so that the nearby

01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:11.439
residents can go well actually it did

01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:14.319
work and you know we we did that or 

01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:17.000
that bin placement no one's no one saw

01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:18.840
it no one's using it so it could inform

01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:20.560
where we might actually put a more

01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:24.159
permanent bin I think it's  like it

01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:27.600
really will be a good test for us to see

01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:31.199
whether that flexibility and quick way

01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:34.600
of  enacting something that our we

01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:36.800
know our residents have been crying out

01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:39.880
for this smer  whether this works I

01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:42.239
think there may be other longer term

01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:45.199
things that may  really be the

01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:48.319
solution to this I was in the dandong

01:44:48.399 --> 01:44:50.720
recently and I noticed everywhere you go

01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.720
let take your rubbish home  and there

01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:56.199
was no rubbish so there may be different

01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:58.880
ways of doing this but the other things

01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:02.760
take a lot longer to achieve  and and

01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:04.439
we've got to be really mindful of that

01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:07.079
there's some places on that I've noticed

01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:09.520
that where there are no bins and they

01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:11.880
pretty much just foot traffic going

01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:14.560
there that you can see people just

01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:16.239
shoving their little bag that they took

01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:18.760
from the beach then they've shoved it

01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:22.359
somewhere down the road  versus you

01:45:22.439 --> 01:45:24.039
know taking it with them they they took

01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:26.279
it off the beach but they didn't take it

01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:30.119
down to the to the near to their bin 

01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:31.560
because they're walking so they've

01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:33.199
decided that was a bit much they've done

01:45:33.279 --> 01:45:35.279
their bit and so I'm I'm hoping that

01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:37.319
some of these bins will fix that which

01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:39.399
which I have seen  particularly in

01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:43.439
aspendell so  yeah I  give full

01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:45.880
credit to counselor Oxley I know it's

01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:47.439
been she's been tearing her hair out

01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:49.119
over this one is and we've all been

01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:50.840
getting the residents complaints and the

01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:52.399
resident phone calls and the long

01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:54.920
conversations about what can be done 

01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:56.560
this is something that can be done let's

01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:59.680
see  what works and then also what

01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:02.239
doesn't and  we'll have that report

01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:04.840
back so that we can really understand

01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:07.479
how we tackle our beaches during smer

01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:10.840
thank you thank you councilor

01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:13.520
Beasley unless any other councilors

01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:16.760
would like to C thank you thank you

01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:18.680
madam mayor  I do have a couple of

01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:20.600
points I want to talk about this just br

01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:22.079
L with what we're trying to achieve here

01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:24.000
I'm I just want to off on the offset say

01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:26.359
that I am very very supportive of what

01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:27.840
we're trying to do here and trying to

01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:29.680
figure out an outcome and I understand

01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:31.720
that where this is being driven from and

01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:33.720
it was I'm very pointed to say it was

01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:35.760
driven out of frustration I I I do hear

01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:37.760
that  and it makes a lot of sense

01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:39.920
because it is a really frustrating issue

01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:41.479
 on the point that councilor Oxley

01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:43.800
mentioned though around  maybe

01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:45.439
optimistically thinking it is about

01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:47.960
culture change that this is you know

01:46:48.039 --> 01:46:50.920
maybe changing  I will mention

01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.000
 that  of all the times that I've

01:46:53.079 --> 01:46:55.960
gone to  the container deposit scheme

01:46:56.039 --> 01:46:57.319
that's now in the city of Kingston you

01:46:57.399 --> 01:46:58.880
know I've raised about $20 I hope no one

01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:00.119
reads into that dat on what that

01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:03.079
actually means but  every time I've

01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:04.760
gone it's always populated and I think

01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:06.399
that also those type of initiatives

01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:08.600
actually does lend its way to changing a

01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:10.359
bit of the culture of how we recycle and

01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:12.600
what we do with our waste  I know when

01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:14.920
I go to the beach with my family  we

01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:16.760
actually do now start taking and you

01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:18.600
know was after me pushing a lot do take

01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:20.760
our waste with us back home because we

01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:22.319
do have a lot of room in our ways to get

01:47:22.399 --> 01:47:23.520
rid of the things that we do bring to

01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:25.279
the beach because of schemes like that

01:47:25.359 --> 01:47:26.960
so there is a bit of culture change but

01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:28.199
I just don't think it's happening fast

01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:30.079
enough and so initiatives like this do

01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:32.000
need to change I do want to acknowledge

01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:33.960
as councilor Davies did that there is a

01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:36.119
lot of hard work that has gone into

01:47:36.199 --> 01:47:38.720
uring that our contracts are keeping up

01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:42.159
with their requirements and what is 

01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:43.479
required actually it's part of their

01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:45.199
their responsibilities in that contract

01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:46.840
to fulfill those obligations and

01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:49.720
obviously it's not working  and it is

01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:51.960
a really difficult thing to do I think

01:47:52.039 --> 01:47:54.319
this actually opens up a broader 

01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:56.920
topic that we probably need to start

01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:58.600
looking at Alternatives which is what

01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:00.399
we're hoping to do with what we do with

01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:02.279
our bins and the placement of those bins

01:48:02.359 --> 01:48:04.520
and access to them  to actually make

01:48:04.600 --> 01:48:06.000
it so that we can do pickups a little

01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:09.039
bit easier now my concern with this

01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:10.720
particular motion that's put forward

01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:13.359
though is I'm not a big fan and and I'm

01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:14.720
mean this with as much respect as I can

01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.399
I'm just not a big fan of arbitrarily

01:48:17.479 --> 01:48:19.359
picking out figures and and nbers and

01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:20.800
things like that I do like that we have

01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:22.640
a bit of analysis and data behind the

01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:24.119
way that we make decisions that that

01:48:24.199 --> 01:48:26.159
really puts me in a lot of comfort so

01:48:26.239 --> 01:48:28.000
I'm just you know I put it to both the

01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:29.399
Mover in the second or whether or not

01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:33.119
instead of  two  bins similar for

01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:34.359
the purpose of General basing at least

01:48:34.439 --> 01:48:36.920
35 Street entrances whether or not it

01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:40.840
can be something like  to know less

01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.439
than 10 or 15 Street entrances  that

01:48:44.520 --> 01:48:47.880
is then supported by  the data behind

01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:49.159
how we understand where it's highly

01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:50.880
trafficked where it's necessary

01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:52.840
 from cuz even doing a quick Google

01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:55.920
Maps check you know I can see some

01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:57.880
Street entrances to our beaches some of

01:48:57.960 --> 01:48:59.800
those entrances are really not like they

01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:01.479
they're almost like private sections of

01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:04.359
the beach and if we start needing to hit

01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:07.800
35 and after 1520 we've found that now

01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:09.239
we're just you know supporting these one

01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:11.359
or two people I I would not be

01:49:11.439 --> 01:49:12.800
supportive of that I just don't think

01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:14.119
that's the right way for us to go about

01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:16.199
doing it so I wonder whether or not we

01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:18.159
could just change the wording or if they

01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:20.479
would be amenable to that  did have

01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:23.680
another point but I have run out of time

01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:26.279
 I don't know if if I can can I put

01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:27.479
that to the Mover in second or whether

01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:29.319
or not they be agreable to something

01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:32.640
along the words of no no less than 15

01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:34.560
Street entrances to the foreshore

01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:37.520
between asadal and

01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:40.279
car thank you councilor sa I would

01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:43.439
just confir for a moment with the Mover

01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:47.319
and the second Council

01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:51.359
Oxley

01:49:51.439 --> 01:49:52.920
thank you so you feel comfortable with

01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:54.399
where the motion has landed thank you

01:49:54.479 --> 01:49:56.520
for confirming that I appreciate that

01:49:56.600 --> 01:49:58.159
councilor

01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:00.399
Davies you feel comfortable where the

01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:02.960
motion has landed thank you councilor s

01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:04.520
both the Mover and the second hour feel

01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:06.920
comfortable where the motion has landed

01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:08.439
that's right I'll just make then if I

01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:10.920
can just extend my speaking time for a

01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:12.680
minute and just make some final closing

01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:15.600
point then as it is I can yes extend

01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:18.119
your speaking time thank you just just

01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:20.479
to again mention so

01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:22.039
look

01:50:22.119 --> 01:50:24.720
I'm supportive of what we're trying to

01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:27.560
do I really am  and I do hope this

01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:29.119
gets carried cuz I do think it's a good

01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:31.319
solution and in the interim until we

01:50:31.399 --> 01:50:32.880
find a broader solution and I really

01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:36.279
hope the message is clear to both 

01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:38.560
executive team but also to our community

01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:40.359
that we recognize that there is a

01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:43.680
problem here  and and that is because

01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:45.520
of the advocacy of obviously all of our

01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:47.039
foreshore councilors who are pushing

01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:49.279
that forward but I just want to make

01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:51.039
clear that I I it's very difficult for

01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:52.880
me to make a decision I don't know what

01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:54.600
the financial impacts of that will be I

01:50:54.680 --> 01:50:56.760
don't know what the resource impact will

01:50:56.840 --> 01:50:58.079
be I don't know whether or not that can

01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:00.600
actually be  delivered on as in the

01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:03.279
success of the 35 Street bins being PL

01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:05.920
35 bins being placed on whatever street

01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:07.319
entrances is actually going to be able

01:51:07.399 --> 01:51:09.359
to be delivered on that just makes it

01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:10.680
seem as though it's not really an

01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:13.039
achievable goal  that that's kind of

01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:14.920
my hesitation  I do also want to

01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:17.319
acknowledge that  you know I've heard

01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:19.159
from a couple of residents namely those

01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:21.159
like you know penny uire and and Dorothy

01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:22.760
boo who have talked to me talked to me

01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:24.920
about other foreshore bins and other of

01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:26.760
our beaches that aren't on the north

01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:28.479
side of the creek  and I just wanted

01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:30.359
to make reference that we do recognize

01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:32.920
that th those bins are also  really

01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:35.079
full and busy however they are actually

01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:38.159
a lot more accessible than the Southside

01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:40.520
beaches of the modal Creek and that's a

01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:42.880
really important note that we can get to

01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:44.439
the northern beaches I shouldn't say

01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:45.600
Northern beaches but the northern side

01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:47.600
of the moral Creek beaches more than we

01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:49.159
can to the Chelsea ones and it's

01:51:49.239 --> 01:51:50.359
probably you know you know if they make

01:51:50.439 --> 01:51:51.640
their way down there the residents who

01:51:51.720 --> 01:51:53.399
have also spoken to me would probably

01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:55.680
recognize that the problem in in from

01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:58.479
aspendell to car is actually  is

01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:00.399
more challenging for us than it is for

01:52:00.479 --> 01:52:02.319
beaches like Menon and Morty Alec for us

01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:04.159
to get to and to continually doing that

01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:05.439
cycle so I just wanted to make that

01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:07.279
clear because I did hear from a few

01:52:07.359 --> 01:52:10.079
community members from residents  and

01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:11.399
from some other people that I spoke to

01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:12.720
that that is kind of the problem but I

01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:14.600
did want to really thank them for also

01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:16.399
advocating for the beaches that they

01:52:16.479 --> 01:52:18.159
really love  that that is something

01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:19.479
they think needs to be picked up on and

01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:21.800
I think it's just  part of us working

01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:24.479
towards trying to get land a really good

01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:27.279
service provider thank you thank you

01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:28.319
councilor

01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:30.920
sa any other councilors wishing to speak

01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:32.640
to this

01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:36.319
item no councel oxy would you like to

01:52:36.399 --> 01:52:39.119
close thank you just briefly  there

01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:40.479
are a nber of issues raised and I

01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.439
think it's it's very apt to say that

01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:44.119
perhaps some of those issues may take a

01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.159
little bit longer to resolve and that is

01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:49.359
that culture change around fundamentally

01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:51.039
if you are are bringing stuff to the

01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:53.319
foreshore and you have rubbish that

01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:56.640
doesn't fit in a bin take it home and

01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:58.840
whilst I acknowledge that it is

01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:01.119
fundamentally part of council's job the

01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:04.000
way that our residents see it and quite

01:53:04.079 --> 01:53:06.720
frankly the way that I see it to provide

01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:07.720
that

01:53:07.800 --> 01:53:09.800
service they still need to take it home

01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:11.239
it's it's it's part of that

01:53:11.319 --> 01:53:13.800
environmental care that we have and if

01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:15.720
you've got your big gazebo that perhaps

01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:18.159
broke in the wind don't dp it on the

01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.119
for take it home and that's part of the

01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:22.439
comments that I've been having back to

01:53:22.520 --> 01:53:24.840
people on social media but fundamentally

01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:26.960
the problem still exists and until we

01:53:27.039 --> 01:53:29.159
can have that culture change that

01:53:29.239 --> 01:53:32.600
problem will still exist and that's

01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:35.399
unacceptable it is unacceptable to have

01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:37.760
rubbish blowing up and down our

01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:40.800
beautiful foreshore and into our Bay it

01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:41.880
can't

01:53:41.960 --> 01:53:47.560
happen and yes I I will completely admit

01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:50.800
35 is an arbitrary figure

01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:54.199
completely fully accept that but when I

01:53:54.279 --> 01:53:55.600
asked for extra bins to be put on the

01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:58.079
foreshore we put two or three and it

01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:00.479
wasn't enough and I'm not sure where the

01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:02.520
two or three came from but it wasn't

01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:04.560
enough and then I think we went and put

01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:06.920
another two or three and it still wasn't

01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:09.359
enough and we're still having just this

01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:11.840
problem week in week out hot day after

01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:13.920
hot day year after year the first time I

01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:16.039
heard about this issue was when we had

01:54:16.119 --> 01:54:17.960
the same problem probably four or five

01:54:18.039 --> 01:54:20.439
years ago now

01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:23.640
and we're still at the same point so yes

01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:26.640
while 35 is absolutely an arbitrary

01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:29.239
figure hopefully that will mean that we

01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:30.680
do not have this issue for the rest of

01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:33.000
smer we do not have this issue for the

01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:34.239
nber of hot days that we have

01:54:34.319 --> 01:54:37.279
remaining and that this gives us data to

01:54:37.359 --> 01:54:40.840
then look at to then say actually bins

01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:43.359
in these locations in Street locations

01:54:43.439 --> 01:54:45.479
work or maybe it doesn't and we need to

01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:47.680
review that too but we need a proper

01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:50.279
Solution by next smer or we be here

01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:53.960
again thank you thank you Council Oxley

01:54:54.039 --> 01:54:55.479
councilor as I'll put this item to the

01:54:55.560 --> 01:54:58.359
vote all those in

01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:01.399
favour just one moment councilors we just

01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:04.359
need to record the

01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:21.680
vote and you can Mark myself as four

01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:22.560
thank

01:55:22.640 --> 01:55:25.760
you oh thank you  councilor Cochran

01:55:25.840 --> 01:55:28.479
has also noted his support thank you all

01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:29.439
those

01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:32.479
against and all those

01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:34.840
abstaining I declare that carried thank

01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:36.760
you

01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:39.119
councilors the next item on the agenda

01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:41.800
is urgent

01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:49.000
business and we don't have any further

01:55:49.079 --> 01:55:51.000
agenda item items after this particular

01:55:51.079 --> 01:55:54.279
item so I can now declare the meeting

01:55:54.359 --> 01:55:58.119
closed at 8:56 p.m. thank you very much

01:55:58.199 --> 01:56:00.760
to everyone who joined us in the gallery

01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:03.279
and to those of you who are online thank

01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:04.840
you to all our officers for your hard

01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:07.239
work and the reports and thank you to

01:56:07.319 --> 01:56:09.119
our team for joining us online as well

01:56:09.199 --> 01:56:10.279
it's really wonderful I know you're

01:56:10.359 --> 01:56:12.039
juggling lots of other commitments we

01:56:12.119 --> 01:56:14.199
really much appreciate you being here

01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:17.680
thank you councilors