at 7:00 on the dot which is very
pleasing I know that we have a few
people online who like to keep it
punctual so I'm pleased to report a 7
P.M start
time and I would like to start just by
recognizing and sharing with you I
guess some of the learning journey that
I have been on as a member of this
community in relation to our first
nation's people and that learning
journey is something that I'm really
proud of and one that I engage in and
have over my life and in acknowledging
traditional custodians I wanted to share
some research that I've been doing
lately on the cool and seasons and
recognize that at the moment it's dry
season so January and February our
seasons where and the cooling calendar
which has six seasons we'll see hot days
not a lot of rainfall and interestingly
butterflies which I'm sure lots of our
residents have been seeing out and about
cuz I certainly have so I'm recognizing
traditional custodians of this country
the Bunurung People I'd
like to pay heartfelt respects to Elders
past and present and I'd like to
recognize any First Nations people
joining us here in this meeting
tonight I'd very much like to welcome
our community some of whom are regulars
it's wonderful to see you here every
month in person and for those who are
online really wonderful that you're also
able to share your feedback afterwards
so have it on good word that we have
a few MPS even join our meetings online
to see what we're up to here at Kingston
Council because it's always
interesting now I'm sure those of you
who've been here before know that we
are recording the meeting but I'll just
go through some of procedures because we
do have some new people here on the
chamber tonight and it's wonderful to
see your faces here so this meeting is
being recorded it's being streamed live
on the internet and the recording will
be archived and available on our website
and we're also monitoring this room
with CCTV for safety we do take all of
our care to make sure we maintain your
privacy however your presence in the
public gallery may lead being
included in that
recording and if you haven't been to
our chamber before as I said welcome one
of the things that we do ask is that
participation in the debate is
something that if you could refrain from
just helps us keep our decision- making
on track I know sometimes there can be
some big feelings but we just really
encourage you to try and share those
with the people next you quietly so
that we can continue doing what we're
doing here without too much disruption
so I think we can move on to the
formal part of our agenda
now and we have apologies have been
submitted so I'll just ask if
we can have a motion councilors to
accept the apologies from councilor Howe
and councilor Staikos councilor Davies
moving and second and councilor Saab I
don't believe this matter requires
debate so I'll put that matter to the
vote all those in favour
thank you councilors I'll just remind
you that we oh unanimously fantastic
great thank
you on future votes I may just need you
to raise your hands again so that we can
record your vote thank you I declare
that item has been
carried we have the confirmation of
minutes of previous
meetings councilors do we have a motion
thank you councilor Hill do we have a
second of to accept the
minutes councilor Saab thank
you again I don't think we need any
debate on this item so I'll just put it
to the vote and ask all those in
favour and we can declare that when
unanimously as well thank
you councilors do we have any
conflicts of interest or any officers or
contractors who'd like to declare a
conflict of
Interest no fantastic thank you we'll
move on to item four which is petitions
I believe that we've had one petition
submitted so I'll ask thank you
councilor
Davies thank you mayor JDB I would
like to present a petition from the
Victorian Pride Lobby it's to establish
an
lgbtiqa subcommittee in Kingston so I
will put that forward shortly it does
have I understand 42 signatures and I
can say that people sometimes criticize
Council for moving very very slowly and
in this instance we're actually moving
quickly because we are already in the
process of creating that subcommittee
which is pleasing to hear thank
you thank you councilor Davies I'll just
ask for a second of your motion thank
you councilor
Hill would any councilors like to
discuss this
matter
thank you councilors councilor Davies do
you wish to close no I'll now ask that
this item is put to the vote and all
those in
favour thank you I declare that carried
unanimously so that will be provided to
our CEO for a
response all right our next item is
delegate
reports or counselor
statements councilor
Oxley thank you I would like to give a
report on the community connections
Forum that I attended on Saturday
January 20th and that was a very very
well attended Forum with many of our
passionate volunteers from the Chelsea
Bonbeach Beach train station group and a
huge thank you to them for running that
For as well as members of our
community who came along to share their
ideas for Chelsea and I'm going to give
a really really brief overview there was
so much captured in the couple of hours
that I spent with these passionate group
of people but we spoke about why Chelsea
needs help which included toilet access
pedestrian crossings no shelter poor
access car parking access lack of
landscaping no clear directional signage
cleanliness safety and fundamentally we
came to the conclusion that Chelsea was
just a little bit
? we spoke about the positives of
Chelsea and there are some shops being
close for locals some level of
landscaping multiple station entrances
the community feel it being close to
home the lift access to the station and
some really good local shops we spoke
about what people wanted from Chelsea
and this one was very very clear a
destination where people wanted to live
where people wanted to be and be a part
of our Beachside Community we then spoke
about what we can do and this part was
my favourite part because these are ideas
directly from our community and I have a
full report that's coming from the
Chelsea Bonbeach train station group
but those ideas are Landscaping seating
and benches Library improvements
improving car parking and access
beautification and lighting keeping
things clean and tidy being inclusive
and accessible toilet accessibility a
council presence in the shops kids
activities popup shops assist a
city relationship with Chelsea in the UK
a Chelsea Funday a night market a
Chelsea parade and possibly my favourite
a revitalized Chelsea committee to keep
these ideas coming and the communication
between Council and the Chelsea
Community flowing so I want to say a
huge thank you to everyone that came
along and presented all of those ideas
it was a fantastic for and I hope that
we can continue those discussions in the
future I can see Mr Gutman taking notes
on some of those things that I was
saying I will present that full report
to council and send that through to
everyone once that's been
prepared finally I also wanted to give
just a shout out to the wonderful
volunteers at the Chelsea SES they have
been there for our community in times of
need in the past couple of weeks when
we've encountered some massive massive
storms they have been there day and
night and they have shown up and they've
helped in any way that they possibly
could so a huge thank you and massive
shout out to them thank you thank you
very much Councilor Oxley it's a wonderful
report and also share your sentiments
around both Moorabbin and Chelsea SCS and
the work that they've been doing and
Thoughts with city of Ballarat at the moment
as they're facing pretty catastrophic
conditions councilors anyone else
councilor Saab thank you Madame Mayor
and I just have a few reports to make
and a few comments from our community
that I wanted to share specifically I
wanted to talk about the Mayoral
task force supporting people seeking
Asylumum and refugees which you very
wonderfully chaired this week I
think it is such an amazing organization
that we are a part of and it's important
that we do continue to champion the
rights of the most vulnerable in our
community and that's what this task
force is all about but I specifically
wanted to report on to the rest of
the councilors and to our community that
we are currently in the stages of
working through a motion to present to
the Australian local government
association's National Conference in CRA
this year and the meeting that you
like I said so wonderfully chaired was a
workshop of us trying to bring together
the core principles that were going
to form the basis of what this motion
that we were going to put forward was
about that Dandenong city council which is
the chair of this committee and we
sit on as the executive was trying to
develop and the the motion seems to be
really centered around opportunities for
Asylumum Seekers and refugees in the srss
services the support services that
surround Asylumum Seekers and people who
are struggling and looking for
opportunities in the country who don't
necessarily have the rights to study in
our country who don't necessarily have
the rights to work in our country and so
they fall through the cracks and so that
is going to be the pre premise of the
motion that we're going to move in
alga and hopefully that is supported by
our councilors when that motion does
come back to us and we can sign up as
a big supporter of that I wanted to
also specifically congratulate the
Moorabbin Rams who operate out of Moorabbin
for for coordinating a pretty
fantastic game that councilor Davies and
Madame Mayor you were there as well in
attendance a game between the New
South Wales Warriors and the Melbourne
Rebels who are obviously in some
unfortunate troubles at the moment but I
think that was a pretty fantastic
opportunity for us to have that type of
caliber of play and for the young ones
in our city who do play in that sport
to actually see what they can strive for
and look at the opportunities that exist
for them that was on Saturday the
3rd of February I also just wanted to
also acknowledge and congratulate John
and his wife John who's from
the Afghan Community who is a migrant
himself who has moved into our community
and congratulate them on the opening
of their new shop which they've invited
me down to celebrate with them which is
the Bayside bathroom and kitchen Inc
we don't often go down to celebrate shop
openings like that but this one was
particularly important because they also
invited me sometime last year early last
year when they opened up their own child
care and Early Learning Center kid
Garden in Kingston in Moorabbin and I
just think it's important to acknowledge
and thank them for their contribution
because it also is really emblematic of
the type of opportunities that exist in
our city as well as the reason
it's so important that we do support
Asylum Seekers and refugees and migrants
in our community and give them those
opportunities as well and their Su
success story I think is really
speaks voles of the opportunities that
do exist in Kingston for families that
do want to move in here and invest their
time and and finally I just wanted to
acknowledge just the Mordialloc College
Centenary Year celebration they
celebrated 100 years as a school just
a couple of last week actually just last
week which is a massive achievement
for any organization or any group but
particularly for this school which is
actually such a stable of this whole
community so just congratulations to
them as well thank you very much councilor
Saab very much appreciate your
Reflections on the Mayoral task force in
particular any other councilors who'd
like to share a
report or counselor
statement
No thank you to councilor Oxley and
councilor Saab for
sharing
just
thank you so just for those who are
watching we were confirming there
whether or not the councilors were
providing those statements as
counselor statements or as delegate
reports and the councilors have advised
there were counselor statements so we
don't need to move a motion to accept
them we were just able to our rules
receive those so thank you for the the
pause there while we just reflected upon
that
process so we can now move on to to the
next part of our agenda which is
question time so I'll now hand over to
our CEO Mr Peter ? thank you thank you
Mayor Davy Burns thank you to those
who submitted questions this evening
please do note that the governance rules
have been applied to all questions and
six questions have not been accepted due
to being ruled as objectionable causing
embarrassment to a counselor or in fact
the question as as lodged did not
provide a name address or an email
address one of those three or some of
those
and also I just would like to reiterate
for for all people either in the gallery
and listening in that preambles will
not be read out so we'll proceed with
the balance of the questions that are
eligible for this evening's council
meeting first one is from Simon what
is the current estimate for the new pool
including the construction and the site
purchase of $4.6 million with the
remediation of Don Tattnel Leisure Center
that was estimated at 40 to 50 million
I'll ask Emily about your acting general
manager infrastructure and open space to
respond through you mayor the
approved budget for the project was
endorsed at the April ordinary council
meeting at $ 79.2 million and the paper
is available on council's website should
be should you be interested in further
detail the cost to purchase the site was
$14.6 Million the Demolition and
Remediation of Don Tattnel site will cost
$1.6
million thank you the next question also
from Simon the question reads is the
council preparing to use dual names for
parks and buildings including any
recommended by activist or
representative groups again I'll ask M
Boucher to
respond in the wayfinding strategy
adopted by council at the July 2023
council meeting provision is made on the
signs for ? naming the strategy is
also available on council's website
under Council
docents the next two questions are
read them out together is from onez they
are why was my question on 29 January
regarding the equivalent Victorian local
government model code of conduct to that
of the New South Wales model code not
answered completely in that the site
sent to me only gave details of the
Kingston Council staff and not the
pecuniary interest of the councils
themselves second question is can I
please be given the site where Kingston
Council details are kept of these
pecuniary interest including his her
name address signature plus information
about their properties shareholdings
gifts received debts owed donations and
other sources of income and position
held in a trade Union political party or
Professional Organization all ask Mr Dan
Hogan general manager customer corporate
support
to thank you Mr CEO council's public
website provides the smaries of
personal interest returns for both
councilors and nominated officers of
council staff smaries of counselor's
personal interest returns are found
under the policies plans and reports
section of our website a link to your
requested information a smary of
personal interests of councilors was
sent to you by myself the general
manager of customer and corporate
support on the 6th of February this
year the next question is from jakota
Williams and the question is have any
councilors at Kingston Council been
suspended or threatened with suspension
I will respond to this question and the
answer is
no the next question is from Robert can
you please tell me the full total cost
plus ongoing cost of Contracting the
communication portal company called bang
the table I'll ask Mr Hogan to respond
to this
question thank you bang the table
have had purchase orders of
approximately
$127,000 sorry $1
127,50 since May
2019 next question is from Rose there
are two questions attached to Rose's
form they is it true that council's
equity and advisory committee which
currently has two lgbtq plus
Representatives will be increasing the
these nbers by five new applications
which are currently being interviewed
now with new appointments to commence in
February 2024 and the second question
are these existing two and the five new
lgbtq plus appointments paid position to
councel or unpaid not only by Council
but by any other committee group or
anyone I will ask my apologies for
that I'll ask Kate Waters our acting
general manager of committee
strengthening to respond to that
question
thank you and through the mayor
council's access and Equity advisory
committee currently has two committee
members that identify as being of the
lgbtiqa plus community and three that
identify as allies all community members
on a council strategic advisory
committee are granted attendance
payments for their participation which
is a maxim of $200 per
anom thank you the next two questions
are from Alina they are is it true you
have hired three psychologists to
provide individual counseling services
to children who are continuous
continuously referred to as young people
in their report as stated in the Youth
Services report in 8.3 in on 29 January
and isn't this situation at odd with
traditional medicare-based Health Care
system that keeps track on professional
consultations again ask Miss Waters to
respond to that
question thank you and through the mayor
Kingston Youth Services employs three
qualified psychologists who provide
counseling to young people aged between
12 and 25 Kingston Youth Services
psychologists are required to hold
memberships with the Australian
psychological Society they are
accountable through their line
management supervision and professional
clinical supervision sessions notes of
All sessions are taken in line with
professional practice
standards the next question is from Lynn
Wilson did councilors have a chance to
vote for or did the chief executive
officer and Council executive decide
itself without the impact of councilors
to create and give contracts for the
creation of the internal group Kingston
represents to the company sortition
foundation and the digital company which
selects and manages resident
Communications call bang the table I'll
ask Mr Hogan general manager customer
corporate support to respond thank you
Mr CEO Council offices engaged the
services of sortition in accordance with
all applicable delegations and
procurement
policy thank you the next question is
from rosemary there are two questions
here why is it that the councils are not
allowed or never see the questions being
put to council at the council question
time because the chief executive officer
Mr Peter Bean seems to have the last say
as to what they're allowed to see second
question is is it actually
undemocratic it is is it actually
undemocratic and questionable for the
unelected chief executive officer to to
to decide whose letters are selected as
acceptable to be read in what seems to
be non-transparent method of selection
and which seems to go against the
governance principles of the council and
the Local Government Act I'll ask Mr
Hogan to respond to this
question public questions are managed in
accordance with the governance rules
which are available on council's website
which are also consistent with council's
obligation under the Local Government
Act 2020 the mayor and CEO both have
responsibilities in relation to public
questions and work together to address
them in the most appropriate
fashion thank you the next question is
from Colin why has Kingston Council and
its social media promotions recently
when extolling news its new tampon
dispensaries at its or its oldest
library or the use of its Net Zero cars
or the celebrating Chinese New Year or
the Turning of a side or even keeping
cool in smer always putting Council
Steve stos may Jenner Davy Burns councel
Tracy Davies Tim Cochran Chris Hill and
Hardy Saab front and center in that media
which is from the governance perspective
a questionable thing to do during a
council election year why our councilors
David Eden Georgina Oxley Cameron how
and George H rarely being promoted in
such advertising by the Kingston Council
media managers I'll ask Mr Hogan to
respond to that
question under the Local Government Act
2020 the mayor is the primary
spokesperson for Council and
consequently will be featured most often
in many other councilors sorry many
other cases rather councilors are also
or in addition offered meteor or
promotional opportunities of council
services and Facilities it is not always
possible for a range of reasons
including timing and operational reasons
for counsil to be able to take up these
opportunities thank you Mr Hogan the
next question is from rosin is it true
that the unexpected non-agenda item
motion put by Council Tracy Davies on 29
January 2024 to cut the public question
time to 15 minutes only and which was
carried by those councils present cannot
be allowed to stand permanently for
future Kingston Council public meetings
as this goes against Council governance
principles themselves and as the sudden
and unannounced insertion of this rule
coupled with the blaming of the people
who ask questions for time overruns at
meetings reveals a lack of procedual
fairness and even ethics I'll ask Mr
Hogan to respond to that
question thank you the procedural motion
referred to in the question applied only
for that meeting public question time is
most usually governed by the governance
rules that are available on council's
website there is no prohibition on
council's moving a similarly binding
procedural Motion in future Council
meetings however which is allowable
under our governance rules thank you Mr
Hogan the next question is from
rosemy West there's two questions
attached to this qu this U submission
they are what if any difference have any
of the council's proposals to mitigate
the adverse impacts of the Suburban
proposed Suburban rail Loop EG item 7.4
tonight and or the proposed Heather and
train yard made to the Suburban rail
Loop Authority plans for the project and
the second question is has Council
advocated for a 3:1 true replacement
policy for the Suburban rail Loop and
level crossing removal projects as
required by council's Urban Forest
strategy in regard to Major state
government transport projects in which
case has made any difference to any of
these plans I'll ask Mr Jonathan Gman
general manager planning a place to
respond through you mayor David Burns in
response to the first question from Miss
West the Suburban rail Loop Authority is
required to comply with several
environmental performance requirements
associated with the Project's approval
these requirements will result in
detailed plans being prepared by the srl
for the Heather and stabling yard site
and Council will be seeking to ensure
they address a range of matters Council
raised for the independent advisory
committee process for the
project in response to question two the
council has strongly reinforced the
importance of a substantial landscape
response be provided for both the
stabling facility and at the station
location s again once project plans are
released Council will be able to comment
on the landscape response proposed for
the project thank you thank you Mr
Gutman that concludes public questions
this evening
May thank you very much Mr Bean we'll
now move on to our planning and place
reports the next item is 7.1 town
planning application decisions for
January
2024 councilors do we have a
motion
thank you councilor Hill like to move
the motion as it appears on the screen
yep and
councilor H thank you
seconding does this item require any
debate
councilors no I'll put the item to the
vote all those in
favour and that is
unanimous the next item on the agenda is
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22424 15 Derwin Street
Menon now I've been advised that we have
an objector and an applicant tonight
in our meeting so I'll now ask our
objector Monica van whisson if you could
please step forward our security
staff will help you
through if you just like to come and
take a seat there and make sure that
you're comfortable and settled
yes you're really welcome to do that
what we might do is I'll just ask
someone from our team to come and help
with them thanks Council Hill just
really helps to make sure everyone can
hear especially those who are online so
please take a moment to get yourself set
up now I'm sure that you've had
someone walk you through the process
but if I could just remind you that
you have four minutes of speaking time
I'm not sure if you have ever done this
before but four minutes goes really
quickly when you're on your
feet okay great
my role as chair is to sometimes just
let people know that their time has come
to completion so once you finished
your speaking time we just ask if you
could there to the gallery we'll
continue on the council heill have
you turned the mic
on and your speaking time Monica Sorry
Miss van we will start when you start
speaking thank
you councilors covenants are complex so
says planning Victoria website it also
States covenants can be hard to
understand as they often use legal words
and unfamiliar jargon even covenants
that look familiar might use slightly
different words resulting in different
restrictions on the use or development
of the land indeed planning Victoria
concludes each Covenant needs needs to
be individually
interpreted it is reasonable to asse
that such an interpretation would take
account of what is both reasonable to
and understand including over time and
by countless people and according to
established surrounding circstances
and in the case of mentor and race CS
state where no such development in
breach of existing cant has occurred and
what do we understand by reasonable and
according to the surrounding
circstances in legal sense well the
high court of of Australia in the matter
of toll versus Alpha Farm 2004 provides
helpful Direction on this and I quote it
is not the subjective beliefs or
understandings of the parties about
their rights and liabilities that govern
their Contra contractual relations what
matters is what each party by words and
conduct would have led a reasonable
person in the POS of the other parties
to believe the meaning of the terms of
contractual docent is to be determined
by what a reasonable person would have
understood them to mean that normally
requires consideration not only of the
text but also of the surrounding
circstances known to the parties and
the purpose of the object of of the
transaction in the context of this
application the surrounding
circstances would include the more
than four decades the Covenant has
applied to the race course estate and
which has seemingly thought to be clear
and easily understood by reasonable
people who entered into contracts and
purchased their family homes on the
understanding of what the Covenant meant
to this day the Covenant has been
observed by every resident of the estate
and one could fairly argue understood by
countless reasonable lawyers conveyances
planners estate agents and even
councilors this appears to count for
little in the eyes of council and
appears to diminish this Council now
embark on what is in seemingly
inevitable and as far as many residents
are concerned undesirable course that
will at the end of the day ignore the
meaning and understanding of our
covenant by reasonable persons the
evidence of the surrounding
circstances the adverse impact on
amenity and diminished Quality of Life
Council has also refused to engage in
discussion or address concerns about
what will happen in the event of an
application at some later point that
seeks to subdivide the building if it is
not possible to impose a condition on
any approval that no further subdivision
of be allowed then if the building is
able to be subdivided this would provide
proof that the plan is for two separate
buildings on the original allotment and
therefore a clear breach of Covenant 344
349 this will have been acceded to and
accommodated by Council we re request
that at very least the council properly
address this important issue before any
approval is given to
kp2
2022
424 these fundamental reasons we employ
for you our de democratically elected
councilors to stand in the shoes of
reasonable person and to object this
flaw
application thank
you thank you very much Miss vanon if
you'd like to just take a seat in the
gallery that would be lovely thank you
very much for your
time I'd now like to invite our
applicant Mr Chris
pipo thank you
so Chris you may have just heard sorry
Mr pipo you may have just heard the
Rules of Engagement that I had just
shared with the objector so you have
four minutes and that time starts when
you begin speaking and there's a
microphone button just in the middle
there and once you've completed your
statement if you wouldn't mind returning
to the gallery that would be much
appreciated thank you good evening
councilors and thank you for the
opportunity to speak here this evening
I'm here on behalf of the permit
applicant asking for support for the
matter presently before you now we're
going to talk to the application on for
three fronts being the Covenant current
policy and proposed policy but before I
get into it I can appreciate there's I
guess a lot of emotion around this
application residents have been quite
vocal about it all there's this Covenant
that hovers over the land and as we
know emotion and and feelings and
opinions are very much part of the
planning process but as we get to the
pointy end of this process which is the
decision-making process when one
determines an application it's an
assessment against the planning controls
that apply to this particular parcel of
land and as you can see and as
communicated in the planning report
before you we take the this application
takes all the kpis for the site when I
talk to the Covenant itself the Covenant
itself is not a single dwelling Covenant
I can appreciate Sometimes some
people have different views on it but
that's supported by case law that's
supported by legal advice that's
supported the application also review by
council's internal entities
interesting enough what it does allow
for it talks to one building and as you
can see in the last section of that
Covenant talks to having no more than
two dwellings so what you see here is
it's not a single dwelling Covenant and
the design before you takes all the
boxes as it relates to the restrictive
covenant hence the reason why this
application is not seeking to vary the
Covenant before you it is consistent
with the Covenant and that's supported
by legal advice and case law we then
look at current policy and I guess to
connect the dots here is that the
Kingston planning scheme clearly
articulates expectations for those sites
for this site and expectations are
articulated by way of various
prescriptive requirements within the
planning scheme and we know the recent
change to the planning scheme by way of
vc2 243 which has codified a lot of the
controls has taken some of the gray out
of planning and made it black and white
and when you look at the application
before you against these controls what
you see is a development that complies
with sight coverage permeability front
side and rear setbacks secluded private
open space it delivers meaningful
platforms for landscaping that was very
much informed by the new Clause 50
that's proposed as part of c203 and it
meets all the amenity tests as well the
one element offends in the planning
scheme is the front fence and all one
needs to do is take the front fence from
thir went Street and put it to the face
of the building of dwelling one and it's
deemed compliant so you've got these
tests that the development satisfies and
then when we talk to this question of
neighborhood character we've got a
development that delivers a pitch roof
form consistent with the fabric of the
area we've got a development that
delivers on the materials
communicated within the Covenant and
those materials have informed
development within this particular
Precinct and then we talk about the
envelope of the bill form itself it's a
two-story form we know the planning
scheme and the incremental change
Provisions effectively create a 3D
envelope on the block of land and the
proposal sits within that envelope and
then finally what we say is that when we
contemplate envelope one should be it
should be done in light of what can be
done as a right and then in this
situation we have an envelope and a
scalable form there shouldn't be one
dwelling it would be an as of right
exercise and then finally we have I
guess this next wave of plan of the
planning scheme being what sits in
c203 and this area is being I guess
proposed to be hisone to Neighborhood
residential 7 NR z7 S I should say and
the proposal sits comfortably within
those parameters and these new
parameters in terms of what apply to
the land and how they look to inform
development so I guess in closing I can
appreciate there's some uncomfort
as it relates to the Covenant but
importantly this is not a single
dwelling Covenant that applies to the
block of land the area itself is not
covered by a neighborhood character
overlay or Heritage overlay that would
heighten character aspects in terms of
preservation ultimately what we have
before you are I'll say three tools
being the current planning scheme
controls we've got the Covenant that
looks to inform development and ALS to a
certain degree c23 even though it's not
approved and the proposal aligns with
the elements that are contained within
and for these reasons we ask for your
support here this evening thank
you thank you very much Mr pipo I'll
just ask for you to return to your seat
in the gallery and thank you for your
time so councilors I'd like to ask if we
have a motion please councilor
Davies yeah I'd like to move an
alternative motion that I circulated to
the councilors earlier this evening
thank you councilor Davies do we have a
seconder councilor
hill thank you councilor Davis would you
like to speak to your motion thank
you and I would like to thank the
objector spokesperson and also the
applicant spokesperson because I do
think they added to the discussion in
relation to this application I think all
the councilors would be aware that this
matter has been ongoing for quite a
period of time and I do acknowledge the
assessment that is was undertaken by the
officers but I suppose where I do differ
is that the race course ofate is
actually quite a unique section or area
geographical area in Kingston if you
drove around that estate you are not
going to see any jeel occupancy I think
I've had we've had something like 94
individual objections we had a petition
which had 79 signatures I've had
nerous telephone discussions and
councilors would have received all the
emails as well where people spoke about
the fact that people who've been
there for 50 years people who've been
there for just over a year they all
understood that this was a location
where it was a oneome area they were
told that by real estate agents they
were told that by lawyers they were told
that by conveyances they read the
Covenant and they certainly have a
different view to what I understand
has been noted by the applicant but it
really is a situation
where in a in a almost in a way this is
a bit of a test case what is going to
happen to this area in terms of
development and what the neighborhood
character would be and the residents of
this area are very specific about how
they view the neighborhood character and
I agree with them I believe it is an
area where we're talking about a single
dwelling and I know there's a reference
to the word building and not more than
two dwellings there could be an argent
whether the dwelling is supposed to be a
little granny fat for the same member of
the family or not I've had to look at
some of the cases as well but the
situation is that the residents in this
area have an understanding and I think
it is
reflected in the fact that there hasn't
been dual occupancy because everyone
does understand what the race course of
state is it's quite unique and I think
that we as a council should be
protecting that environment thank
you thank you councilor
Davies thank you I'll ask councilor Hill
would you like to speak to this
item yeah thank you mayor jdb and thanks
also to the applicant and to the
objectors who have spoken this
evening and thanks to councilor Davies
for putting putting forward this Al
alternative motion look this I think
it really comes down to an
interpretation I think even within our
planning department we had to sort of
land on how we interpreted this in the
scheme of of what was what was being
proposed in this in this
development now I want to sort of
start with the fact that like we are
committed as a council to provide
more housing more affordable housing
throughout the city of Kingston so I I'm
I think we're all very much dedicated to
achieving that sort of Greater goal
throughout Kingston but I I do land on
the point that councilor Davies just
spoke to in that this covenant's been
in place for nearly 50 years the
people who bought in the race course of
estate have bought with an understanding
of what that Covenant actually meant
now we can I guess talk to some degree
to semantics over building and dwellings
and whatnot I guess where I where I'm
coming from is I've got a nber of
friends who and I guess as we see
this ambition to create more property
through Kingston I I know people who
live in side by side tow houses now I
don't think any of those people would
say that they live in half a building
you know they they live in a building
that happens to be attached to another
building so I think
that's part of what makes it clearer to
me the the other thing is here too I go
down to the
actual what is the purpose for the
Covenant to be in place now when I
actually have a look at the original
design the drawings of the original
design and I compare them to the design
that was put forward there after the
original design I would say would have
created a better amenity for the locals
in that it had space between buildings
it would have allowed light through it
didn't have so much visual bulk but
because it might be deemed by some that
that wasn't compliant to the Covenant it
was then proposed to change that to a
and a a building where the two dwellings
are attached so if I think of what is
the purpose of the Covenant I'm sure the
purpose of the of the Covenant isn't to
create a worse amenity outcome for the
local residents of the racecourse estate
so you know if I put the pub test to
this one I I I just struggle with this
application and I think part of it
too is when I when I actually had a look
at you know the the response to this
you know we had 993 individual
objections with with what was it 79
signatures there were 35 people present
at the at the planning
consultation of meeting and yet
nothing really materially changed so
again I'm not not so comfortable with
that also so just overall when I look at
this whole application I think where
councilor Davies is taking this is proba
the right response so thank you thank
you very much councilor
Hill would any other councilors like to
speak to this
item thank you Council
Eden yes thank you and I think this
is a particularly interesting
application and it is so because it does
raise various issues around I think
expectations within the community and
around what people understand certain
things to mean and what the intention of
certain docents were at the time and
it's interesting to consider that
particularly tonight the next item on
our agenda is actually the planning
scheme review which is to go off to the
state government at a higher level
throughout our city and when you compare
this application to the planning
scheme review I think we probably need
to look at whether or not we need to
also make representations to the
state government through that instrent
to look at how we prevent situations
like this coming to council where
Community expectations are one thing but
what's being argued by you know
particular parties may be totally
contrary to that I certainly
reiterate the points that have been made
around neighborhood character but I
would think that there is probably some
concern that we as Council need to
consider assing this matter goes to
vcat and that is I do recall some
similar applications in the past around
buildings I believe actually next door
to here where they refer to it as one
building but it's got 50 plus dwellings
and whether or not that is something
Council needs to seriously consider
where a developer might go to vcat and
say well that is one dwelling or that is
one building next door so therefore
one building can have many dwellings and
to look at particularly in that
planning scheme review whether or not we
clarified at that point as well and
for officers to report back to council
about any other areas in Council that
in the borders of Kingston that may
actually be in a similar position
because I think sometimes it's better to
be taking a preventative approach rather
than a reactive approach where things
could be to the detriment of our
community I would agree and endorse
that it is out of character it is not in
line with what people expect what is
in that area and I believe we've got
strong grounds there but I do believe
residents would probably expect Council
to represent them in all the
available channels that we have and I
think that probably means reaching
out to members of parliament and through
the state planning process we're about
to go through or to continue to go
through to make sure that points like
this are clarified and to look at what
opportunities we have as a counil to try
to strengthen those broader protections
as well so when it comes down to the
semantics of the meaning of one word our
residents aren't losing out when we get
to that point Thank
you thank you very much councilor Eden
would any other councilors like to speak
to this
motion thank you Council
sa thank you Madame mayor and I was
considering whether or not I was going
to make comment on this or just listen
to the debate but listening to the
debate pretty intently and to the both
the speakers who came this evening on
this application I feel probably it's
necessary that I do make comment on
this application I think for myself this
is a real struggle or a test on the
Covenant for versus expectations or
responsibility under the planning and
environment act when we consider
applications sorry councilor thank you
councel s thank you for leading us I
think for me at least this is a test on
what the rules of the cant say versus
what our obligations and requirements
are under the planning environment act
as councilors specifically when I'm
looking at the assessments or the
standards of this it's largely
compliant in a lot of areas I do I do
agree pretty strongly with these points
that are raised in this refusal that
these are pretty strong grounds to put a
case forward for vcap but I do know this
is an application that will go to vcat
and with that requires a lot of
understanding of that cost outlay and
you know it might actually end up in
being in a worse outcome for for
residents than what the you know
negotiated terms are where we landed
with the original application that was
put forward because then it is out of
our control those type of Assessments
and those type of discussions and
negotiations and the conditions that
were initially placed on this
application if it was to be approved
could just all sort of become undone and
that's kind of what we need to
understand is the measure here and
again when I when I think about what our
responsibilities are very and I would
say it's very unfortunate because I do
hear from a lot of residents on a lot of
applications even in my own Ward and
even from applications from residents
who don't even live in the city of
Kingston and they ask for advice it is
very clearcut when it comes to the
planning environment act and when it
comes to what we have to look at
to the degree that we can't even present
what our actual feeling of an
application is until we come to this
room to make a decision we have to be
very unbiased in our
measure in our measure of a particular
application so I'm I'm really
struggling to to see when I consider the
planning environment Act and the fact
that this application is really
compliant that I don't know if this is
necessarily the best course for our
residents I know it is what they're
after I think the grounds that it is not
in line with neighborhood character is a
strong ground but I think that might be
one of the only strong grounds in
consideration for this application to be
refused and I just wanted to make
that clear that the way that I vote
tonight while it might not be how I
actually feel about the application
it is in line with what our
responsibilities are under the planning
and environment act so I just wanted to
make that clear
thank you very much councilor s would
any other councilor like to speak to
this item thank you Council Oxley thank
you and whilst I will be supporting the
motion that's been put forward this
evening to issue the notice of
refusal there are some comments that
I would have to agree with with
councilor Saabon when I looked at this
application and sort of assessed this
application in terms of where it's at in
terms of your site coverage and those
those really important setback
requirements the application itself
is is actually Rel relatively compliant
so I was a bit stuck I think at the
end of the day though when you do drive
around that area and you understand how
strong the argent is for neighborhood
character in that area that is why I
will be supporting the refusal the seing
I think the Covenant whilst it's a an
interesting one it will be interesting
to to potentially see that tested to
me I probably read that the same way
that the officers have and thought
that that was pretty clearcut it will be
interesting to to see that tested I
think overall when considering the the
really strong argent for neighborhood
character in that area I will be
supporting their refusal but do
completely understand the comments from
councilor Saab in terms of that really
being a a difficult one to weigh up I'm
not sure what our success will be but I
I am happy to support the refusal on the
grounds of what I think is very
strong neighborhood character in that
area thank you very much councilor Oxley
but any other councilors like to speak
to this
motion if not I will ask councilor
Davis if you'd like to close thank
you just very briefly I would just
like to thank all the councilors who've
spoken on the matter it's very much
appreciated because I do believe that we
have highlighted all the issues in
relation to this application and I do
note this Covenant was I think
1976 so I think the view of what the
wording was in in 1976 where I don't
think they even existed in Australia
really unless you're talking in a Sydney
Side by Sid so it will be interesting in
terms of if an objector raises an issue
in relation to the Covenant and that is
before vcat if this matter goes to vcat
how the Covenant would be interpreted
thank
you thank you very much councilor Davies
I'll now put this item to the vote all
those in
favour just one moment
councilors thank you all those
against thank you Council Eden I'll make
that change all right so we'll just
we might governance will just redo
that vote so all those four if you could
please raise and hold your hand if you
could just confirm on the screen we have
councilor Eden councilor Oxley counselor
Davies counselor Hill councilor Bley and
councilor hu thank you councilors I very
much appreciate that
against councilor
Saab and
abstaining councilor Cochran and
councilor Davey
Burns so I declare that that item is
carried thank you
all right councilors the next item on
our agenda is item 7.3 the planning
scheme review councilors do we have a
motion planning scan review sorry
councilor Hill would like to move that
and councilor Davies would like to
second
that would any councilors like to speak
to this
item
okay all right if that's the case we
might put this item to the vote I'll ask
all those in
favour and we can carry that unanimously
thank you
councilors all right we're now on to
item 7.4 for submission to the Suburban
rail Loop draft Precinct
Visions one two three four five six
seven yes we asked all cor thank you
councilor sa you'd like to
move like to move the
recommendation I'll just check if this
is the motion that was circulated
earlier was that the motion that you
wanted to move or the motion that
appears on the
screen that's okay we'll just take a
moment for you to review the motion as
it appears on the
screen thank you counselor s we'll note
that you have moved that councilors do
we have a second
councilor Hill thank
you councilor
Saab I'll just make some quick comments
apologies I I did forget there was an
amended motion or an alternative motion
I should say that we were considering
I wanted to just strongly put forward
that I think it's really important that
we do have a vision and and an
outline of what we think the S rail Loop
should be able to deliver for our
community and we put that forward to the
relevant authorities and to the the
state government that we do get the best
possible outcome that we can this
particular Amendment and I know that was
put forward through Madame May
yourself through a lot of work with
our planning officers and our city
strategy team I think it is actually
a a really good amendment that it does
explicitly call out the need for
connectivity across the whole bicycle
Network that we've got in Kingston and
also is in total alignment with what our
actual vision is for the future of our
city as being a highly sustainable
method of Transport that is actually
possible and with projects like these
it actually does unlock those
opportunities so it's really important
that we do call that out specifically
I did want to also make comment and the
reason I was really happy to move this
and thank you councilor Bley for the
motivation on it was that I think
this is really important to set out that
this is about particularly the precinct
plans that surround the particular
Stations of the area so that is the
chelham station the Terminus of the
Suburban rail Loop and the Clayton
station which also does capture the
northern part of our city it doesn't
really include any other Precinct plans
and I I wanted to say that specifically
because a lot of the residents in my
community in the heon community who
are feeling very still very lost
despite all the things that are going
on might be looking at this and
wondering you know where is the
reference to the stabling yards for
example that exist and that is
referenced in the report but and it
does talk about the advocacy that
Council still needs to do in there and I
do acknowledge that in our most recent
Kingston your city
newsletter we made reference to the
advocacy we were doing with the Suburban
rail Loop but we may have omitted heon
and the staing guards in that Kingston
your City magazine that doesn't mean
that Council has forgotten about it it
is still an ongoing issue that we are
consistently following and pursuing with
the Suburban rail Loop and we are
hearing our communities concerns I am
hearing our communities concerns and
trying to make sure that that is
delivered to the stabing to the Suburban
rail Loop Authority but this is
particular about being around the
precinct plans and what our vision for
those precincts can be for the city and
that is that it can be very
transformative it has the opportunity to
really bring to life these parts of
our city and actually unlock the future
of Victoria with what we'll see in terms
of the density the builds the open space
opportunities that we want to get out of
it and the bike Network as was
explicitly called out in this
alternative motion so I just wanted to
make those couple of comments thank
you thank you very much councilor Saab
councilor Hill would you like to speak
to the
motion yeah just very briefly just a a
couple of points maybe that so I
support everything that councilor Saab
has said and and what has been moved
but just a couple of things that
haven't been touched upon is just I
guess the you know what we're trying to
do here is get some quick wins through
this process as well and also call on
the minister for a whole Hall of
government approach to this this
process there are some
inconsistencies I think that we've that
we've picked out between what we've
seen so far versus what we've what we
ourselves have put forward there is a
list of recommendations in in our
submission where we where we think
improvements can be made so I think
this is just you know one part of a very
long process that that we're currently
going through and what it's really
ultimately about is just trying to get
the best outcome for all all our
residents in these areas thank you thank
you very much Council Hill would any
other councilors like to speak to this
motion no councilor s would you like to
close
thank you Madame mayor and I think
I'll just talk to about broadly about
and I spoke about the vision and how
this is going to be so transformative
for the area but I didn't really make
reference to the fact that this is going
to be such a intergenerational project
that will really unlock the economic
opportunities that exist in our city and
that is that people who live you know as
far south in our city can actually
really accessibly and very easily
connect to the health
sector that is in you know the monach
Clayton sort of Precinct area and how
that opportunity will exist which means
we'll see opportunities for more
livable and accessible home outcomes
as far out as they need to be be able to
access work opportunities so that's
that's what like the potential is and
that is further unlocked with what we're
actually putting forward to Suburban
rail loop I think that's kind of the
comments that Council Hill was making
and thank you for seconding that we
just need to make sure that are aligned
and that the opportunities that are kind
of like bubbling there are solidified
and that they adopt those changes and
make sure that that is all together
it is also important to recognize that
you know the more densely populated
areas of our our city and of other
cities that municipalities that do
border us don't necessarily have the
opportunities and access to open space
opportunities or or or things like that
and we actually have something that is
you know 30 40 years in the making about
to be delivered for not just our
community it is for the region and that
is the chain of parks project and again
that is now an accessible part to the
rest of the city if if the Suburban rail
Loop does recognize the authorities and
all the other departments work together
and recognize that you know and I'm not
saying actually I think I am saying that
our vision actually is able to achieve
that and is the best way for us to do
that so you know I hopefully they can
see that hopefully that is adopted and
the alignment is there and I know from
the conversations we've been having with
them that there is some alignment there
we just want to make sure that they do
get that and so I I really do endorse
what we're putting forward thank you
councilor sa I'll now put this item to
the vote all those in
favour and we can declare that carried
unanimously thank
you the next item councilors on our
agenda is item 7.5 the climate and
ecological emergency response Plan
update
do we have a motion councilors councilor
Hill you'd like to move the motion as it
appears on the screen thank you and
councilor baser you're
seconding councilor Hill would you like
to speak to the
item yeah thanks and look I think this
is sort of a good news story when I when
I read this but I think it also really
spells out the challenges that we
face in trying to reach our objectives
so there's quite a lot of detail in
all the things that we've been doing
over this period and yet it does spell
out that in spite of that we've seen an
increase in emissions so you know I I
think it just goes to the point that
you know what what we're trying to
achieve is very ambitious and we've
just got to keep on working really
really hard there's an
acknowledgement that no matter how hard
we work on our own Council emissions
that they will still always be this
residual amount of emissions and I think
you know in particular when we look at
the waves complex you know just such
a large percentage of council's
emissions you know provided
from that one facility of council so and
that to me also speaks to why it is so
important when we're talking about the
new Aquatic Center you know why we've
been so bullish on you know ensuring
that it is fully electri
given that you know we can see that I
think
75% of our emissions are attributed
by one facility it's it's like quite
quite a lot I also wanted to make
note of the fact that there's like in
the report because I know local
governments often get a bit of a
hounding in terms of our attention in
this space but I I think it's
important to note that well as I knew
already but it was good that it was here
in the in the report just around the
Local Government Act 2020 saying that
mitigation and planning for climate
change risks and planning for the
economic social and environmental
sustainability of of the municipal
district is a legal requirement for
councils so you know this is
something that we're required to
follow as as per the act as are all
other municipalities within Victoria as
well so leave it there thanks thank you
very much Council Hill councilor Bey
would you like to speak to this
item thank you mayor jdb I I fully
concur with what councilor Hill says
and and just note the report that really
it shows that we're not just talking it
we where we're walking through this and
sometimes it's not easy to do you
know we our emissions actually did go up
we it wasn't that we weren't expecting
it because obviously our Council
Services after Co you know we were
expecting a bit of a for it to to
rise a little bit but it is good to see
that we're certainly nowhere where we
used to be and a lot of what we have
been able to implement is taking effect
and there's so many things that we're
doing so those who are interested
it's really worth a look at at the
detail of this report in terms of the
actions that we're doing and their
actual effect so you know I've got to
say thank you to the officers it's a lot
of hard work it's never easy when you're
doing this and you you've really got to
keep your eye on new technologies
and sometimes you're at the bleeding
edge and sometimes you got to wait until
the right technology comes through as
well but it's really good to see how
many areas we are working in and to
reduce emissions and thank you to all
the officers in all the different teams
that have that have helped to to
get us where we are and will'll continue
to do so in the near in in Into the
Future so thank you very much thanks
thank you very much councilor Bley would
any other councilors like to speak to
this
item Council Hill would you like to
close
yeah I thought it was also just worth
pointing out I I sit on SEC or Southeast
council's climate change Alliance as the
deputy chair and sitting in on those
meetings one thing that's really evident
is just how Innovative city of
Kingston is in this space I I think
we bring so much to the table our
officers do a fantastic job in this area
when we look at the initiatives that
we're following we're often sort of
you know real leaders in in what
we're doing and I think Council other
councils do look at look to Kingston to
take a bit of a lead on on some of
these initiatives that we've put in
place what like I think a really fun
example of that too is the you know
the sustainability sustainable
Business Awards that we held I think
it was September last year memory serves
with
but that's just a great way to
acknowledge businesses it's for one
we've got businesses who are doing great
work in this space already in Kingston
but as well we are one of the leading
councils in order to help facilitate
businesses do even better work and
reduce their emissions even further so
it was a great event it was so well
attended really great speeches and
I I think you know it just goes to show
all the positive things that are
happening within Kingston and also
it's an inaugural event it was just so
fantastic to see an event so well
supported so can't wait to see the
the event this year and what happens
there so thank you thank you councilor
hill I'll put this item to the vote all
those in
favour thank you I declare that carried
unanimously next item on our agenda this
evening is item 9.1 contract 22 029
Bushland and foresaw weed control of
defined sites councilors do we have a
motion councilor Davies a
seconder councilor Bley councilor Davies
do you wish to speak to this item
councilor Bley does this item require
any
debate councilors I'll put this item
to the vote all those in
favour I declare that carried
unanimously next item is 9.2 contract
1850 storm water drainage
maintenance councilors do we have a
motion councilor Davies thank you and
councilor Hill councilors does this item
require any
debate I'll put this item to the vote
all those in
favour I'll declare that carried
unanimously the next item on the agenda
is 9.3 special rate and special charges
policy councilors I'll look to you for a
motion councilor Davies moving and do we
have a seconder councilor
Cochran councilor Davies or councilor
cofen and any other counselor wishing to
speak to this motion any debate
required I'll put this item to the vote
all those in favour
I declare that carried
unanimously thank you councilors we're
now moving on to item 10.1 which is the
local government Victoria reforms
consultation councilors do we have a
motion councilor Hill you're moving the
motion as it appears on the screen thank
you do we have a
seconder councilor Cochran thank you
councilor Hill do you wish to speak to
this item
yes thank you mayor jdb thank look just
a real simple one there's a
consultation in place at the moment on
reforms being pro proposed by local
government Victoria just the reason
why I thought it was good to speak to
this I did sit in on a on a
a zoom a zoom meeting or teams
meeting on Thursday I think it was a lot
of councils were present at that
it was quite clear that a lot of the
councils present were planning to do
something similar in terms of putting
putting forward a sort of a position of
of Council on the proposed reforms
from what I from what I glean from
the conversation that was had there were
some councils who were
probably taking harder stance on all
of the proposed reforms I think where
we've landed is probably a sensible kind
of Middle Ground where we're saying well
we agree with some of the reforms but
maybe we need a bit more clarification
or we're not so comfortable with some
others so that's what we've kind of
highlighted here that's in this
report so yeah I I think it's it's a
sensible well-measured
approach that we're taking on this so
that's all I wanted to say thank you
thank thank you very much councilor Hill
councilor Cochran do you wish to speak
to this item all Reserve thank you may
jdb thank you councilor Cochran
councilor
Oxley thank you this has been one of
these ones that I've been following for
quite a while and we'll probably
agree with Council Hill in terms of this
being a bit of a balanced approach where
I wouldn't agree with Council Hill is by
going as far to say is maybe we're not
so happy them I can say personally
there's two of the items which are the
ones that council's listed as not
supporting in the reforms that I'm quite
frankly quite disgusted about that
they're even being proposed and I think
what it does is it takes away the rights
of a counselor who is the subject of an
internal arbitration or the subject of a
counselor code of conduct panel they
have their rights taken away from them
in what's being
proposed and I think the fact that even
the state governments put that forward
is very concerning about where councils
are heading and where the state
government sees councils as heading the
council code of conduct system in my
view of what is in the 2020 Act is
broken it doesn't
work it is unfair for councilors
subjected to those and I think the fact
that Council has put here that we do not
support those proposed reforms is
something I I very much support for
those watching that might not be overly
aware of what is being put forward so
council is saying that we do not support
this this evening but the idea that we
would limit the ability for a counselor
who has received a finding from an
internal arbitration or a counselor code
of conduct panel The Proposal is to
limit their ability to go to vcat to
appeal that in order to appeal that they
would have to go to the Supreme
Court costing that counselor a
significant amount of of money to appeal
that
decision then with that the proposal is
that Council must not indemnify
councilors in relation to the internal
arbitration process and the counselor
code of conduct panel process so not
only do they have to front up freay
defense in an internal arbitration or
front up freay defense in a counsel code
of conduct
panel and I'm not saying those those
processes may or may not be justified
but if they are not that counselor must
front up for their own defense in both
of those processes and if they disagree
with the decision must then front up the
money themselves to go to the Supreme
Court to defend themselves in a role
that most councilors take on board for
the benefit of their community that is
why we do this that is why we are
here now there are some instances where
code of conduct panels and internal
arbitration processes are Justified
but there are some where they're not and
the proposed reforms that are being put
forward I'm very grateful that council
is saying we do not support those
reforms but personally to even have that
come
forward I think is a
disgrace so I'm very grateful that
council is taking this stance and would
hope that the state government
listen thank you councilor Oxley and
also for just outlining for those who
can't see the appendix on the screen
so that people are aware I've just
checked with governance we're not able
to bring that up on the screen
unfortunately so I'll alert people who
may have papers in front of them on the
iPads or her at home that we're just
been discussing the points at item
3.1 and it's 3.1.1 and
3.1.2 just so that you're aware of
what appendix 2 is and thank you again
Council Oxley for outlining that for
people who are
watching any other councilors wishing to
speak thank you Council thank you madam
mayor just to mention you know last
year when I was sitting there I was
appointed to the local government
mayoral advisory panel with the
minister where we were discussing a
whole range of things including the
councilor code of conduct system
including these reforms that we kind of
knew were bubbling away potentially
going to occur we didn't realize what
they looked like we knew they were going
to come we didn't really understand the
full scope but we knew they were going
to come before the new election cycle
and that was kind of the the the
timeline of that they were working on
I will say though I think I do
appreciate that there has been reform or
that they're working through trying to
fix the system or trying to fix or
create a better environment for local
government to operate in and for
councilors who are elected to have a
balanced Equitable place to work and
you know and as Council Oxley really
very rightly said to actually do
community service like this is is for
our community it's an act of of of will
that we feel it's not it's not you don't
do it for any other reason unless you
really cared about your community and
wanted to make an impact there what I
will say though is some of these and and
I am pretty supportive of the proposed
reforms that we're putting forward as
well and I will agree with Council
roxley as well I think in to a degree
that the counsel code of conduct system
is is pretty flawed it needs to be it
needs to be reworked it needs to be
highly considered I I do wish the
minister had paid better attention to it
but the reason I wanted to speak
specifically on this one was actually
just to make a more broader statement
that right now in the local government
sector we are being put and positioned
and we had a very good workshop on this
on the weekend but we're being
positioned as almost the scapegoat for a
lot of problems that happens across a
whole range of reasons and to me
honestly all of the things that are
being Stripped Away from Council
planning planning powers and
responsibilities these type of
reforms a lot of these things are
actually in in my view positioning us
even further as though that we are the
reason for a lot of the issues that are
occurring across the state and I I just
think that isn't really representative
of what's going on I don't think that's
really fair for us to be put like that
but I do I do welcome these reform
changes I do welcome that there is
opportunity for consultation I just
really do hope that the state
government actually considers the
feedback from the consultation
thoroughly and properly and actually
listens to what
other local governments are putting
forward in terms of their feedback on
these on these findings and I know
Council Hill sat on a few sessions as
well that M put on I know the VGA
also did a session and I just think
it's really important that we do nail
these but I do hope that they actually
listen to the consultation and the
feedback that's coming back thank you
thank you counselor s would any other
councilors like to speak thank you
councilor Aiden yes thank you for
that opportunity I do believe that this
is one step in the process and would
suggest that potentially a position
needs to be taken potentially to the
next MAV conference as well if
advocacy is required to really sort of
push not only our submission but
other council's submissions which are
largely aligning with this letter
across the state and I think there's
General consensus across the local
government sector around a few points
the first would be that it would be
great to see these same standards of
conduct imposed on members of
parliament as well and that's not to say
there are members of parliament here
that I would name it's far from that but
I think there are many members of
parliament as we' have seen who will
blame Council whether they blame
corruption in the planning processes
totally on Casey Council when in fact at
a state level there were MPS doing the
wrong thing from many sides of
politics so I think we as a local
government sector as councilor Saab said
are often used conveniently as a
scapegoat and issues are blown out of
proportion and then what I would say are
somewhat anti-democratic reforms like
requiring people to go to the Supreme
Court if they want to seek an appeal of
a decision are then put in place to
ensure that issues can never be properly
ventilated in a court of law because the
reality is there's very few people that
can afford to go to the Supreme Court
the county court the high court many
businesses that can claim it as a tax
deduction aren't in that position
either and I think if a a suggestion
was made that if you want to appeal your
parking fine or your planning
application you have to run off to the
Supreme Court was put forward I think
people would be genuinely outraged and
this is a proposal that goes against
the principles that ministers espouse
about caring about affordable and
accessible justice so I do believe that
not only should submissions be made to
the minister for local government but
also for the ministers that are
responsible for overseeing our courts
access to Justice and the legal systems
to see if what is espoused publicly
around affordable Justice and accessible
Justice is in fact equally applied to
the local government sector because I
do believe there many councilors who if
you talled up the nber of hours they
work would probably be working on2 or3
per hour for the amount of time
particularly in Regional councils
where they're driving hours a day many
don't claim even their fuel
allowances so I think often before
imposing one's own views and
directions on others I think there
should also be consideration at the m to
request that similar guidelines be
implemented at a state and federal level
to make make sure MPS are trained as
well they follow a code of conduct
that has the bar set at the same
standard so I would hope that that
could come back for consideration at
those relevant points thank you thank
you very much councilor Eden for your
contribution any other councilors
wishing to speak to this
motion councilor Hill would you like to
close I'll put the item to the vote all
those in
favour declare that carried unanimously
thank thank
you item 10.2 is the governance and
compliance
report councilors I believe we yes
councilor Oxley thank you can I just
clarify how to move this because I'm
deferring a point Thank You Council
Oxley I'll just confirm that with
governance just one
moment so Council Oxley governance have
advised that you move what is on the
screen which includes the text that has
been
struck yeah which was point
two and there's an item another
addition at the bottom if we could just
scroll I think I missed the bottom part
that was all yeah does that reflect do
you need a moment to review that no
thank you so much councel Ox I'll just
ask if we have a
second councilor Davies thank you
councilor Oxley thank you for those
watching at home or in Gallery what I'm
seeking to do this evening is to
defer point two which was seeking to
change the instrents of Delegation for
the chief executive officer to up the
essential limit I suppose in that
instrent from $850,000 that
delegation to 1.5 million the reason
why I'm seeking to defer that this
evening is because there are a nber of
concerns I have with increasing that
limit to 1.5 million and that just to be
clear is is not a reflection on Mr Beam
that is more so just from the governance
and oversight of the council and the
benchmarking that I've done across a
nber of different councils having now
read a nber of instrents of
Delegation over the past couple of days
that that would be quite significant
across the sector upping that to 1.5
million is is pretty much almost unheard
of a nber of those sit at either
500,000 or 1 million there are a couple
of councils that are slightly above that
that I would say are in different
circstances they could be under
administrators or under different
acts I suppose as well so I I would
suggest that perhaps this needs a little
bit more discussion there are a nber
of suggestions that I would make in
terms of perhaps streamlining that
process to allow the CEO to make those
decisions in perhaps
more sort of operation
contracts so things like drainage
Awards and those types of things
where I think it would be appropriate
for the CEO to make those decisions but
those more Community facing projects
those more public projects the ones that
I think require more scrutiny and that's
not to say that the other ones don't
require scrutiny at all but I would say
there are contracts that require more
scrutiny I I think definitely do need
to come to council we do need to see
those so there'd be a couple of
things i' I'd like to just work through
and discuss rather than having this come
this evening we may end up in the same
position but certainly a $1.5 million
delegation is not something that I would
be willing to support at this time
without further discussion and really
working through that so that's what I'm
proposing this evening the other
items that are within this report
they're all pretty basic they're all
straightforward so don't have any
issues with those but that one I
certainly would prefer to be deferred
and for further discussion thank you
thank you very much councilor
Oxley councilor Davies would you like to
speak to the motion yes just very
briefly I just wanted to support
councilor Oxley in relation to this
motion I don't see that there's any
disadvantage to us as councilors
deferring I actually say it's beneficial
to us to obtain more information the
benchmarking information and of
course if something does come up that's
urgent in the next month or so before we
get another report on this particular
point we can always call a special
meeting if for some reason some sort of
contract has to be signed that's over
the current delegations so I do think
the more information you have on these
issues the more well informed you are
and the better position you are to make
a decision thank you thank you very much
councilor Davies would any other
counselor like to speak to the
motion Council oxy do you wish to close
thank you I'll put the item to the vote
all those in
favour I declare that carried
unanimously next item on the agenda is
item 11.1 which is commercial use of
council land
policy councilors do we have a
motion councilor
Beasley and councilor Dave
seconding councilors would you like to
speak to the motion this this item
required
debate no any other councilors wishing
to
speak
no I'll put the item to the vote then
all those in
favour I'll declare that carried
unanimously thank
you the next item is 11.2 cly Finance
report December
2023 councilors do we have a motion
thank you councilor
Oxley seconded Council Council Saab thank
you is any debate required thank you all
right I'll put this item to the vote all
those in
favour
oh thank you and we'll note unanimous
and thanks for our cfo's hard
work
then
our CFO is looking very pleased please
pass on our thanks to the
team all right the next item on the
agenda is item 12.1 notice of motion and
Council Oxley parking in Chelsea thank
you as it appears on the screen and in
the agenda please thank you very much do
we have a seconder councilor Beasley
thank you councilor Oxley thank you I
will be brief with this one because it
is an issue that we've spoken about a
lot not only in this C counc but also in
the past Council it is an issue that
I hear from residents on regularly and
I'm very sorry that we haven't been able
to find solutions to this issue that has
been ongoing for a nber of years we've
tried different things along the way I
think those have made improvements in
particular the in the Woolworth Chelsea
car park but it's still a bit of a
nightmare if you've driven in Chelsea
and had to enter any of those car Parks
during smer it is n impossible
and I I do apologize to all of the local
residents who do have those difficulties
just going to get their shopping on a
hot day so I fully understand and we are
working towards solutions for this what
I'm asking for this evening is noting
all of those issues noting all of that
feedback that we have had from residents
in the Long Beach area that we bring
back a report to council outlining
options for the introduction of paid
parking for non-residents in the car
park surrounding the Chelsea shopping
strip and wwor in
Chelsea the reason why I'm asking for
this and I I do really want to specify
here that it is paid parking for
non-residents is what we're looking at
and that is a really really key
Point residents come to me and they say
I can't get down to Woolworth to do my
shopping I can't get down to the Chelsea
shopping strip to visit any of the
wonderful traders that we have along the
Chelsea shopping strip simply because
those car parks are filled with beach
goers and we want them to come along to
our beaches we really really do the
Kingston Beach we have are beautiful
They are packed out on smer days but
we still need people to be able to visit
our shops to be able to spend their
money with our local Traders and to be
able to just get their basic necessities
at the shops when they need it and right
now that can't happen for a lot of
people they simply can't do it they have
to go down to Mor ALC which I'm not sure
is any better but they go down to Mor
alic or they need to go down to patteron
Lakes which again has its challenges
with car parking as well they also head
down to aspendell Gardens which is
probably one of the most accessible ones
in the area on a hot day but the
challenges we face is that Chelsea is
one of the only areas that doesn't have
paid car
parking when you look at along the
foreshore Kingston is one of the areas
where we do have a little bit of paid
car parking in our main foreshore car
Parks but once you get back from there
there isn't any paid car parking
so where do people come they come to a
beautiful beach they come to an area
where they don't have to pay for
parking and even with the fine of an
overstay when we are managing to get
local laws officers out there that's
just all in a day of going to the beach
and the cost of going to the beach for
people but it still doesn't resolve the
problem for local residents who can't
access their local shopping strips so I
am fully acknowledging that this is a
complicated challenging issue which is
why I haven't put a timeline on this
report
I know that this is a priority of
something we're looking at but I want
this to be fully considered so that
we're not rushing into it we've had this
problem for many many many years another
one probably won't hurt us but to know
that this is something that is on the
radar that is something that we are
looking at that we are exploring all of
the different options that we
have and to look at how we can implement
it it has to be done now is the time to
have this ation the residents of Chelsea
are now asking for this and it's been
something that I was a little bit
concerned about in the past about
perhaps it might not be something that
the residents of Chelsea would accept
they now are the ones asking for it
that's why I've put this here this
evening point five in this I'm asking
for on behalf of those residents as well
who every hot day ask me where are our
local laws offices and I know that
they're there because I get that fine
data but I think we do need to be able
to publicize
something to ensure that our residents
know our local laws teams are out there
they are finding people and they are
doing what they need to do I'll hear the
rest of the debate but I really hope
that this can be supported this evening
thank you very much councilor Oxley
councilor basley would you like to speak
to this
item thank you mayor jdb yeah I whole
heart wholeheartedly support this this
has been a problem that's been ongoing
for for many years now in in Chelsea and
we make little Headway so we do make
some Headway we got some permits for our
traders in probably about six or so
years ago and they seem to be quite
happy with how that's working but that's
an area that probably also needs to be
considered with all of this as well
unfortunately I've heard what councilor
Oxley is saying about the fact that
people will come down Park their vehicle
and and risk the fine because they think
oh well $70 that's a good day out as
long as there's five of us in the car
we'll split up the the fine I don't know
whether they get where they're at $70
fine but there's only a risk of it so
you know you park there four or five
times you you may not even get caught
once and that's where I think we've
really got to consider the the stress
the beach the beach being in so close
proximity to the shopping center is
causing you know I do disagree with
councilor Oxley I think they're actually
rather than Patterson lakes or Mor
alic I do actually think they're rather
likely to go to aspendale Gardens I've
met many Chelsea residents in aspendale
Gardens shopping center it may be
because it's had a beautiful new
facelift a lot of parking and we and
you know we welcome every resident of
Chelsea there if they'd like to do their
shopping there that's absolutely fine
but it's it's unfortunate for them that
they've got to travel so far in order to
find a park and you will get a good
park there there is plenty of good
parking in aspendale gardens very good
service there as well
however I think they prefer to use their
local one and we got to try and make
that work for them so yeah fully end
fully support this I'm glad councilor
Oxley is bringing it up it it is
complicated I'm not expecting that that
there's one Silver Bullet that's going
to solve the whole thing but there's
got to be a way that residents during
smer can use
their local shopping center thanks thank
you very much councilor
Beasley would any other councilors like
to speak to this
motion councilor
Hill thank you and again I just want to
throw my support behind all of those
Five Dot points I think they really are
on point as to what's being requested
here like with regards to I think
it's nber nber two like I've EXP
actually experienced that in other
shopping centers where you know I
preSaably they've had a similar problem
where people would come along and maybe
overstay whereas just by having a period
of free parking it sort of focuses the
Mind people come do what they need to do
and leave so they're not necessarily
clogging up the street parking for
everybody else so I think that could
bring about some some good change and
with regards to I I know the the people
in this area of Kingston have really
suffered from some pretty poor
Behavior by visitors to the area in in
smertime like there's
the instances are quite obvious where
people are sort of parking on a on a
let's say a 2p area and overstaying but
you know I've even heard of and I think
you know our officers all too often hear
about cases where people drive a park
over driveways and all all sorts of
things that you know it's it's pretty
terrible I know I know it's actually led
to people moving you know because they
were so sick of having to deal with it
smer after smer so you know we
obviously need to do something I do
also note that what in the officer
advice that there's the first do
Point around ensuring that there's a
consistent provide for consistency
across the municipality as well I I do
not paid parking is now along the
stretch of Beach Road and that area of
of city of Bayside it may be
something that we want to consider
for for the similar reasons in parts
of Kingston along the the the foreshore
there and Beach Road as well so I would
hope that when we're putting together
this report we can have a look into
learnings from other municipalities and
and you know hopefully Implement what's
whato is working elsewhere so we're not
Reinventing the wheel so thank you thank
you very much councilor Hill any other
councilors thank you Council oxy would
you like to close no councilors I'll put
this item to the vote all those in
favour I declare that carried unanimously
thank
you the next item on the agenda is 12.2
notice of motion councilor Oxley foresaw
waste collection councilor Oxley thank
you if we can just go
to one yeah and after General
waste if we can put in at
least
35 Street
entrances to the fores shore so it'
remove at each Street
entrance and then if we can put at the
end of that point still in the same
point that priority be
given to locations
known to be high
traffic comma near car
Parks comma life saving
clubs or the Chelsea
pi
thank you and I'd like to move it you'd
like to move that thank you Council
Oxley do we have a
seconder thank you councilor Davies
councilor Oxley thank you this is one of
those issues I have been talking about
now for many many years and I'm going
to be really honest with everyone who's
watching this motion is here just out of
frustration and frustration not just
from me but frustration from
particularly my Chelsea residents who
have have been so incredibly patient
with us over the years while we work
through the issue of bins on the
foreshore and I can assure them we have
been trying to work through this
issue but I I do acknowledge and
apologize that we are in the pretty much
the exact same position as we have been
so from that perspective I apologize but
thank them so much for their patience
with us I know that over recent hot
weekends
it has been better and that's the
reporting that I've been getting back
from residents with some of the things
that we have been putting in place the
huge amount of rubbish on the
foreshore has been better contained in
the extra bins that we've put down there
in the skip bins that we've put down
there and perhaps just maybe and maybe
I'm being hopeful a little bit of a
behavior change from people visiting the
foreshore who perhaps are seeing rubbish
flowing everywhere and saying that's not
great I have to say I I feel the same
it's not great when I see the photos
come through from residents weekend
after weekend of we've still got rubbish
flowing on the foreshore going into our
Bay it is not what we want it is not
what we should be doing and we have to
fix it even just in the shortterm while
we work through any contractual issues
and any other operational issues or
changes that we have we need a fix we
need a fix even just temporarily while
we fix the rest of it that's why this is
here what this is asking for is that
considering all of the the challenges
that we've had considering all of the
reports of the issues with rubbish on
the foreshore that until the end of
April we provide those extra red lied or
similar type receptical rubbish bins for
General waste on the foreshore so that
should cater for any of those super hot
days where we've been having these
problems and that we provide those now
at 35 Street entrances rather than each
of the street entrances that we give
priority to the areas that we have had
those reports that we have seen those
issues that is in those high traffic
areas near the car Parks life saving
clubs and particularly around the
Chelsea
Pier that we provide extra signage
directing people to where the nearest
rubish bin is even if that's just core
flute signage I'm not fussed it doesn't
have to comply with our branding or
wayfinding strategy that doesn't bother
me and I'm not sure it bothers residents
either I think if we're just putting
some core fluts down there to say this
is where the nearest bin bin is take
your rubbish with you to the nearest bin
you shouldn't be dping it next to
already full
bins that we get that report which I
understand is already coming into where
we can put our bins so they're more
easily accessible not just for residents
but also for our contractors to collect
because that's been part of the issue as
well to have those extra collections
during warm weather and actually use
them because if we can make those bins
more accessible we can get them
collected more often we're not going to
have this problem next smer
fundamentally the problem has arisen
because there's too much rubbish for the
nber of bins that we have on the
collection cycle that we're on that is
that is fundamentally the issue and we
need to try and fix all of those for
next smer at least now while we're
finishing this end of this hot weather
we can hopefully have some extra bins
down there to cada for that the last one
that I'm after and that is looking at
that urgent report in terms of earlier
collections
because I think there are a nber of
residents I think that would much prefer
to be woken up at perhaps 6:00 than say
Stacks and stacks of rubbish flowing
down the foreshore when they take their
dogs for a walk at 7:30 8:00 in the
morning I think for the maybe 10 to 15
hot days we get they could probably deal
with it I could be wrong they could come
back and say absolutely not cancer oxy
we don't want that we don't want to be
woken up but I think from what I've
heard from a nber of residents that
live on the beach and they are the ones
reporting these issues they be pretty
happy with that I hope that this can be
supported this evening that we can get
that further information that we can
take some action CU it's so desperately
desperately needs to be
done thank you councilor Oxley councilor
Davies would you like to speak thank you
thank you I just wanted to support
this motion as well I do have to say
it's actually pretty sad that because
I do know our Council staff work really
really hard on trying to deal with this
rubbish issue and we have had some you
know tremendous problems that they are
trying to overcome I you know walk down
the beach you know three or four times a
week I am staggered when I go along the
beach and walk along a Mor alic piia for
the amount of rubbish that people leave
behind I'm like if this is what you do
on our beaches and our peers I'd hate to
see what your house looks like that you
know you think there's some sort of hard
rubbish collection going on so you can
just dp everything and you have no
moral compass and you find that half
these things end up in the water and the
fish are going to you know fishing wires
and bottles and you know it's actually
really quite an indictment on some of
our beach goers that they are so lazy
they can't even be bother taking the
rubbish home and but we need to deal
with it because our residents are left
with it so the more bins that we can get
down there and the better service we can
provide in smer you know there's
not much of Smer left unfortunately
and then they'll disappear into the
ether these beach goers but if we can
support our residents and our community
because nobody likes to see a lot of
rubbish Left Behind thank you thank you
councilor Davies would any other
councilor like to speak to this motion
councilor
Beasley thank you mayor jdb I really
think this first point will help to
inform the reports as well it's 35
bins
for until the end of April we
probably got about 5 six really hot days
to come and I think it'll be good to see
whether this is a way of solving it or
it's not so it will add to what we've
got in terms of information but also
I think it will show show residents this
is what it looks like if this is what we
were going to do and so that the nearby
residents can go well actually it did
work and you know we we did that or
that bin placement no one's no one saw
it no one's using it so it could inform
where we might actually put a more
permanent bin I think it's like it
really will be a good test for us to see
whether that flexibility and quick way
of enacting something that our we
know our residents have been crying out
for this smer whether this works I
think there may be other longer term
things that may really be the
solution to this I was in the dandong
recently and I noticed everywhere you go
let take your rubbish home and there
was no rubbish so there may be different
ways of doing this but the other things
take a lot longer to achieve and and
we've got to be really mindful of that
there's some places on that I've noticed
that where there are no bins and they
pretty much just foot traffic going
there that you can see people just
shoving their little bag that they took
from the beach then they've shoved it
somewhere down the road versus you
know taking it with them they they took
it off the beach but they didn't take it
down to the to the near to their bin
because they're walking so they've
decided that was a bit much they've done
their bit and so I'm I'm hoping that
some of these bins will fix that which
which I have seen particularly in
aspendell so yeah I give full
credit to counselor Oxley I know it's
been she's been tearing her hair out
over this one is and we've all been
getting the residents complaints and the
resident phone calls and the long
conversations about what can be done
this is something that can be done let's
see what works and then also what
doesn't and we'll have that report
back so that we can really understand
how we tackle our beaches during smer
thank you thank you councilor
Beasley unless any other councilors
would like to C thank you thank you
madam mayor I do have a couple of
points I want to talk about this just br
L with what we're trying to achieve here
I'm I just want to off on the offset say
that I am very very supportive of what
we're trying to do here and trying to
figure out an outcome and I understand
that where this is being driven from and
it was I'm very pointed to say it was
driven out of frustration I I I do hear
that and it makes a lot of sense
because it is a really frustrating issue
on the point that councilor Oxley
mentioned though around maybe
optimistically thinking it is about
culture change that this is you know
maybe changing I will mention
that of all the times that I've
gone to the container deposit scheme
that's now in the city of Kingston you
know I've raised about $20 I hope no one
reads into that dat on what that
actually means but every time I've
gone it's always populated and I think
that also those type of initiatives
actually does lend its way to changing a
bit of the culture of how we recycle and
what we do with our waste I know when
I go to the beach with my family we
actually do now start taking and you
know was after me pushing a lot do take
our waste with us back home because we
do have a lot of room in our ways to get
rid of the things that we do bring to
the beach because of schemes like that
so there is a bit of culture change but
I just don't think it's happening fast
enough and so initiatives like this do
need to change I do want to acknowledge
as councilor Davies did that there is a
lot of hard work that has gone into
uring that our contracts are keeping up
with their requirements and what is
required actually it's part of their
their responsibilities in that contract
to fulfill those obligations and
obviously it's not working and it is
a really difficult thing to do I think
this actually opens up a broader
topic that we probably need to start
looking at Alternatives which is what
we're hoping to do with what we do with
our bins and the placement of those bins
and access to them to actually make
it so that we can do pickups a little
bit easier now my concern with this
particular motion that's put forward
though is I'm not a big fan and and I'm
mean this with as much respect as I can
I'm just not a big fan of arbitrarily
picking out figures and and nbers and
things like that I do like that we have
a bit of analysis and data behind the
way that we make decisions that that
really puts me in a lot of comfort so
I'm just you know I put it to both the
Mover in the second or whether or not
instead of two bins similar for
the purpose of General basing at least
35 Street entrances whether or not it
can be something like to know less
than 10 or 15 Street entrances that
is then supported by the data behind
how we understand where it's highly
trafficked where it's necessary
from cuz even doing a quick Google
Maps check you know I can see some
Street entrances to our beaches some of
those entrances are really not like they
they're almost like private sections of
the beach and if we start needing to hit
35 and after 1520 we've found that now
we're just you know supporting these one
or two people I I would not be
supportive of that I just don't think
that's the right way for us to go about
doing it so I wonder whether or not we
could just change the wording or if they
would be amenable to that did have
another point but I have run out of time
I don't know if if I can can I put
that to the Mover in second or whether
or not they be agreable to something
along the words of no no less than 15
Street entrances to the foreshore
between asadal and
car thank you councilor sa I would
just confir for a moment with the Mover
and the second Council
Oxley
thank you so you feel comfortable with
where the motion has landed thank you
for confirming that I appreciate that
councilor
Davies you feel comfortable where the
motion has landed thank you councilor s
both the Mover and the second hour feel
comfortable where the motion has landed
that's right I'll just make then if I
can just extend my speaking time for a
minute and just make some final closing
point then as it is I can yes extend
your speaking time thank you just just
to again mention so
look
I'm supportive of what we're trying to
do I really am and I do hope this
gets carried cuz I do think it's a good
solution and in the interim until we
find a broader solution and I really
hope the message is clear to both
executive team but also to our community
that we recognize that there is a
problem here and and that is because
of the advocacy of obviously all of our
foreshore councilors who are pushing
that forward but I just want to make
clear that I I it's very difficult for
me to make a decision I don't know what
the financial impacts of that will be I
don't know what the resource impact will
be I don't know whether or not that can
actually be delivered on as in the
success of the 35 Street bins being PL
35 bins being placed on whatever street
entrances is actually going to be able
to be delivered on that just makes it
seem as though it's not really an
achievable goal that that's kind of
my hesitation I do also want to
acknowledge that you know I've heard
from a couple of residents namely those
like you know penny uire and and Dorothy
boo who have talked to me talked to me
about other foreshore bins and other of
our beaches that aren't on the north
side of the creek and I just wanted
to make reference that we do recognize
that th those bins are also really
full and busy however they are actually
a lot more accessible than the Southside
beaches of the modal Creek and that's a
really important note that we can get to
the northern beaches I shouldn't say
Northern beaches but the northern side
of the moral Creek beaches more than we
can to the Chelsea ones and it's
probably you know you know if they make
their way down there the residents who
have also spoken to me would probably
recognize that the problem in in from
aspendell to car is actually is
more challenging for us than it is for
beaches like Menon and Morty Alec for us
to get to and to continually doing that
cycle so I just wanted to make that
clear because I did hear from a few
community members from residents and
from some other people that I spoke to
that that is kind of the problem but I
did want to really thank them for also
advocating for the beaches that they
really love that that is something
they think needs to be picked up on and
I think it's just part of us working
towards trying to get land a really good
service provider thank you thank you
councilor
sa any other councilors wishing to speak
to this
item no councel oxy would you like to
close thank you just briefly there
are a nber of issues raised and I
think it's it's very apt to say that
perhaps some of those issues may take a
little bit longer to resolve and that is
that culture change around fundamentally
if you are are bringing stuff to the
foreshore and you have rubbish that
doesn't fit in a bin take it home and
whilst I acknowledge that it is
fundamentally part of council's job the
way that our residents see it and quite
frankly the way that I see it to provide
that
service they still need to take it home
it's it's it's part of that
environmental care that we have and if
you've got your big gazebo that perhaps
broke in the wind don't dp it on the
for take it home and that's part of the
comments that I've been having back to
people on social media but fundamentally
the problem still exists and until we
can have that culture change that
problem will still exist and that's
unacceptable it is unacceptable to have
rubbish blowing up and down our
beautiful foreshore and into our Bay it
can't
happen and yes I I will completely admit
35 is an arbitrary figure
completely fully accept that but when I
asked for extra bins to be put on the
foreshore we put two or three and it
wasn't enough and I'm not sure where the
two or three came from but it wasn't
enough and then I think we went and put
another two or three and it still wasn't
enough and we're still having just this
problem week in week out hot day after
hot day year after year the first time I
heard about this issue was when we had
the same problem probably four or five
years ago now
and we're still at the same point so yes
while 35 is absolutely an arbitrary
figure hopefully that will mean that we
do not have this issue for the rest of
smer we do not have this issue for the
nber of hot days that we have
remaining and that this gives us data to
then look at to then say actually bins
in these locations in Street locations
work or maybe it doesn't and we need to
review that too but we need a proper
Solution by next smer or we be here
again thank you thank you Council Oxley
councilor as I'll put this item to the
vote all those in
favour just one moment councilors we just
need to record the
vote and you can Mark myself as four
thank
you oh thank you councilor Cochran
has also noted his support thank you all
those
against and all those
abstaining I declare that carried thank
you
councilors the next item on the agenda
is urgent
business and we don't have any further
agenda item items after this particular
item so I can now declare the meeting
closed at 8:56 p.m. thank you very much
to everyone who joined us in the gallery
and to those of you who are online thank
you to all our officers for your hard
work and the reports and thank you to
our team for joining us online as well
it's really wonderful I know you're
juggling lots of other commitments we
really much appreciate you being here
thank you councilors