WEBVTT 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:02.040 all right good evening everyone thank 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:05.320 you we will declare the meeting open at 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:08.640 7:18 pm 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:15.599 and as we always do our Council 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:17.519 meetings like to start by acknowledging 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:20.039 country I'd like to recognize the Bunurong 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.640 people of the Kulin nation 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.000 and pay my respects to Elders past and 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:27.640 present recognizing the ongoing and 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.079 continuous u connection to culture 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:33.079 waterways song lines and to also 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:34.840 recognize the sovereignty of all First 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:36.679 Nations people in 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:41.000 Australia we are in underway with the 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:43.119 Justice Commission process and also 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.880 the treaty process in Victoria and 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:47.759 there's been a lot of work in 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.200 preparation for naok week which is a 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.759 celebration of Aboriginal Torres Strait 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:54.719 Islander culture throughout 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.399 Australia I'd also like to welcome our 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:59.560 community members who are here with us 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.280 in the gallery but also online thank you 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:04.280 and I do hope you are warming up a 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.120 little bit after your cold stay out in 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:08.560 the foyer we'll look at the temperature 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.560 for you we do very much appreciate 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:14.200 you attending the gallery and also 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:17.519 attending online it's really lovely 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:19.719 to now for those of you who have been 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:21.480 here before you'd be aware that we do 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:24.120 record our council meeting and they are 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:26.599 streamed live on the internet we also 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:28.239 archive these recordings and these are 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:30.359 available on our website for the 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:32.480 purposes of public safety we also record 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.319 the meetings via CCTV and we do our 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.200 absolute best to maintain privacy but 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:40.239 you just need to know that as a visitor 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:42.760 in our Gallery you may be 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.239 recorded I'd like to just remind anyone 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.519 who is attending that we ask no 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:50.760 disruptions or interjections just to 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:52.760 enable the debate to be undertaken in a 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.319 respectful manner and we also ask that 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.319 we don't operate any photographic 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.959 audio video recording equipment so that 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.640 we have the recording available via 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.439 our website as the official copy of 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.039 the meeting now there's iPads there if 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:09.719 you do need some assistance from the 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.439 staff please let us 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.599 know so we'll move into our formal 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.000 agenda items for this 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:22.599 evening I don't believe we received any 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.479 apologies and I'll ask for item two 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:28.000 confirmation of minutes of previous 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.840 meetings do we have a motion 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.159 councelors thank you councelor Hill and 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.159 seconder and counselor Saab 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.280 yes thank you does this item require 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.360 any debate counselors no I'll put the 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:47.960 item to the vote all those in 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.759 favor and I'll 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.080 declare thank you that unanimously 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.800 carried thank 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.719 you item three on the agenda is 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:01.719 foreshadow declaration by Council or 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.159 contractors of any conflict of interest 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.039 I've been advised that we have a number 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.520 to record tonight so councel how thank 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:09.680 you for raising your 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.199 hand thank you and I have an arguable 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.479 general conflict of interest regarding 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:17.919 any commercial matters related to the 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.159 Kowski family particularly the item 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.360 regarding cavage properties this evening 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.159 thank you thank you very much Council 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.000 house I we'll note that conflict in 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:29.439 relation to item 7.2 this evening thank 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.199 you councel Saab thank you Madame mayor 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:33.719 just a general conflict as well to 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.120 declare for item 8.3 which I'll disclose 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.000 at that time thank you very much 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:39.439 councelor Saab 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:42.879 councelor Bearsley and I have a 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.439 general conflict of interest also 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.159 with item 8.3 on the agenda thank you 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.479 very 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.520 much and miss 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.800 CW thank you mayor I declare material 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.680 conflict of interest item 14 .1 the new 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.599 Aquatic and Leisure Center facility 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:04.919 management as an affected person in the 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.919 definition in section 128 of the Local 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.039 Government Act is an employee of Waves 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:11.759 Leisure Center and would gain a benefit 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.360 or suffer a loss depending on the 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:17.399 outcome of the matter thank you thank 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:19.680 you I believe those are all of the 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:22.959 conflicts that need to be 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.079 declared all right the next item I don't 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.199 believe we need to accept those do within 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.480 resolution thank you item four is 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:36.920 petitions which we haven't received any 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:38.800 so we'll move on to item five which is 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:40.959 delegate reports counselor statements 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:41.920 and 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.600 presentations of awards I might just 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.720 start by acknowledging that earlier 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:52.199 this evening we welcomed our 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.319 Junior Council for 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.000 20242 this evening and it was really 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.639 wonderful to see the Gallery just 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.600 at 5:30 full of families and young 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.240 people very excited about their year 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.079 ahead as part of our Junior Council we 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.439 also thanked the outgoing Junior Council 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:13.519 for their service and I know that it was 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.120 quite a bittersweet moment for many of 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.040 them saying goodbye the new Junior 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.720 Council were elected recently by 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.079 their peers and Councilor Saab and I had an 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.160 opportunity to attend that Junior 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.000 Council and we're very moved by a number 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:29.839 of the the projects that were put 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.839 forward young people were asked how 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:34.560 they could come up with an idea to 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:36.680 make Kingston more kid friendly 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.600 basically and what we saw that day I 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:41.680 think was extremely impressive and we 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:43.759 walked away with such a renewed sense of 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.480 hope and excitement to see young people 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.079 so engaged and so ready to contribute 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:51.680 really incredible ideas so thank you 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:53.480 councilor Saab for being part of that panel 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.360 and we're welcoming I think two 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.199 schools who hadn't previously had the 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.240 opportunity to be part of of our Junior 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.040 Council program so the Yarra school 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.959 and then we also had another school 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.959 from bundel near Bund Ward who were 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:11.560 joining for the first 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.879 time so thank you we have our incoming 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.879 Junior mayor is Isabella Kirkam Manos who 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.759 is representing Water Ward and Lucian 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:22.680 Hendrick is our Deputy Junior mayor 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.639 representing Chita award I'm not sure 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.439 if they're online tonight but I will 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.800 just thank them their parents and the 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.279 rest of the junior Council we are very 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.120 much looking forward to working with you 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:36.600 over the remaining time that we have 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.040 as a council together and I'd also like 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.360 to thank Keith and Sandy and Chelsea 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.439 Rotary who have been running this 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.839 program for a very long time and have 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:47.839 contributed an immense amount to our 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.079 community thank you to councelor Davies 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.120 and councelor Hill for attending the 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:53.839 presentation tonight with the young 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.399 people we did an exceptional job of 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.720 welcoming them in and I think there 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:59.720 was some highlights there as we debate 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.920 which was the best Ward so really 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:05.279 appreciated your energy would anyone 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.199 else like to speak to the junior 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.040 Council no thank you councilors for just 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.000 indulging me a moment to just provide 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.480 that highlight for our community are 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:17.199 there any other delegate reports 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.240 counselor statements or presentation of 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.399 awards that we need to be aware 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:25.040 of thank you councelor Staikos 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:30.720 thank you mayor JDB thank you 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.560 I wanted to make a statement tonight 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:37.399 but I'll start by extending my 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.199 heartfelt thanks to my fellow 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:42.720 counselors and the entire 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:45.199 organization not just the current 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:49.199 group but the groups that I've been 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:52.879 part of for the past four terms 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.759 which spans approximately 15 and half 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:56.839 years as a 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.680 counselor this support and friendship 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.000 ship has made this what I'm going 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.160 to say a lot more difficult and of 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.120 course I'll get to the point with 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.560 sadness of course I wish to inform the 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:15.240 Council of my decision to stand down as 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.759 a counselor effective midnight on 30 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.639 June so at the end of the 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:25.480 week reflecting on my tenure of course 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.959 there's a lot to go over when I first 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:29.879 joined the council there was 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.560 Legacy debt from 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.600 amalgamations we worked really hard 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:35.679 to improve the financial position of the 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.960 council we paid off debts we bought this 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.840 building that we're standing in today 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.519 being on Council for so long for me has 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.720 been life-changing I just turned 40 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.480 at the end of last year and I've spent 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.480 15 of those years on the 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:52.960 council it's been a privilege of 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:56.759 course seeing long-term is projects and 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.559 programs come to fruition in 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:01.080 particular 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.240 projects like the Bay Trail which 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.840 were spoken about for 25 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.279 years were finally 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.600 completed of course I've been 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.080 fortunate to learn from last our 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.720 previous Council leaders people like 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.679 Topsy py Leslie McGuigan Arthur AOS 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:24.919 opoulos Rosemary West Ron Brownley 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:28.120 Etc their mentorship has been 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.840 invaluable and 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:34.679 whilst you know not one of us knows 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:36.039 everything there's to know about the 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:39.159 City of Kingston together and drawing 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.919 on our history and roots particularly 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.960 in this our 30th year I know together 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.240 that we will be able to find the answers 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:48.879 and find the 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.279 solutions I'd also like to acknowledge 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.159 some community 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:58.039 champions people like Jill Page 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:02.000 Dorothy Booth Penny Maguire White 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.000 Marian Haridan and of course the late 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.440 Mavis Hutter these women in particular 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:12.960 have been wonderful 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.840 examples they've been stalwarts and 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.440 they've made sure to be my 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.879 temperature check on many 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.159 issues many of you would know that I ran 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:29.000 for Council initially to improve and 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:32.120 guide our position on the green wedge 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:34.200 and in the last four terms I've worked 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:37.200 hard to ensure that not one but two 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:39.720 green wedge management plans were 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.679 adopted and this I believe has set the 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.960 course for our Council decision making 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:49.279 on this important policy 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:53.440 area I must thank of course my community 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.360 to be elected for four terms is a 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.440 privilege a rare priveledge 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:02.679 and I know that there are a number of 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.720 people in my community who 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.080 certainly will be asking questions about 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.720 why I've decided to leave about four 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.600 months or so before the end of the term 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.279 but I know that they are well 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.159 represented by the rest of the 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.559 council and by yourself as mayor so 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.879 the next four months will be in many 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:29.639 case a bit of a 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.440 a a period at which the community may 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:34.480 not have a formal representative but I 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.320 know that they'll be well represented by 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.120 the council of course I wanted to 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.399 acknowledge a number of the key 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.360 community 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.720 organizations that have been 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.279 delivering services for the City of 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:49.960 Kingston and for the Bunurong Ward and 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:53.600 for my Hometown so to speak of 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:55.960 Clarinda Clayton South and Oakleigh 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:58.440 South there's so much going on in the 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.639 community and it's been a privilege 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.440 to support that as a 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:05.200 counselor I'm incredibly honored to 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.120 have shared the last 15 years with 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.200 the staff especially of this 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.799 organization and I'd like to acknowledge 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:16.639 all of the work that they have 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.600 undertaken over the years I've seen 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.360 things happen in real time for 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.000 instance the delivery of the chain of 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.279 Park strategy the delivery of 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:30.799 affordable housing through our 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.799 affordable housing strategy real change 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:35.639 as a response to our climate emergency 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.279 response plan these are all things that 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.559 I've championed and I've valued as a 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.759 counselor it's not just about bricks and 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:49.320 mortar but in saying that I'm very very 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:52.120 excited to see the progress of the new 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.759 pool that will be delivered in Mordialloc 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.559 Future Works that will be 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:00.559 undertaken at ? Park and all of the 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:02.279 wonderful Capital works that have been 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.320 delivered across the entire city in 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.480 my 15 years on 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.120 Council I'm very proud of the work that 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.960 this Council does in aged care and in 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.200 early childhood education this Council 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.840 has prioritized community services and 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.399 it shows and it's a very important part 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.120 of our 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.559 story I wouldn't be here thanking 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.200 anyone actually if it wasn't for the 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.399 support of my family in particular my 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:39.519 mother and father and also my 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.000 partner as you know being a counselor 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.879 takes a toll it's many nights out it's 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.120 many days spent on phone calls with the 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.799 community it's pouring over agendas and 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.720 there is a price to be paid and I've 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:00.360 paid that price 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.480 finally I must acknowledge the support 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.120 that I've received over the years from 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.279 our governance 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.879 Department all of the wonderful ladies 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:14.559 in executive Services over the 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:18.200 years our councilor requests team and 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.440 all of the execu executive leadership 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.120 team members over the 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.240 years I want to acknowledge the work and 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:27.960 the dedication and the commitment that 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:29.720 they give to the City of Kingston and 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.679 our residents without whom we would not 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.200 be able to deliver the council services 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:40.320 that we deliver so in saying that I 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:41.759 I'm not going to stay for the rest of 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.559 the meeting but I would like to 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.120 thank everybody sincerely from the 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.799 bottom of my heart and know that I'll 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.159 always fondly remember my time here at 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.720 the city of Kingston 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.320 thank you counselor Staikos I will 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.759 just ask if any counselors would like to 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:08.639 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:13.240 respond before I share a few words of 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.399 appreciation councelor 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:23.720 Bearsley well councilor Staikos we're 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:26.200 very sad to see you go you've been a 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.039 a voice of reason for us I think you've 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:34.200 provided that wisdom from 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:36.679 all those years in Council I've really 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.200 appreciated particularly the last 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.720 three and a half years working with you 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.679 in a Collegiate manner to provide really 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:48.200 good outcomes for our city it's a really 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.679 sad day for the city of Kingston but 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:52.639 we know you're going on to to things 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.600 that you you'll use all that passion 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:57.799 that wisdom that experience and you'll 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.080 use it for the good of the community 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.879 of Victoria so we wish you all the best 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.559 and we thank you from the bottom of our 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.200 hearts for everything you have done seen 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.279 and unseen for the people of Kingston 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:13.720 thank you 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.279 Steve there are very few people I think 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.480 who have such a profound impact on the 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:24.960 world around them that the Ripple 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.480 effects have felt 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:29.879 for not just weeks or months or decades 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:31.799 but generations to 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:36.480 come and you are that person you have 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.200 given your entire heart and soul to 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:40.960 leaving the city in a better place in 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:42.480 the way you found it and you've done 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.240 that by mentoring so many people to 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.080 bring their best self to this 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:51.360 table by focusing on good governance 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.200 strong leadership and kindness and 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:55.960 putting our community at the center of 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.919 every decision that we've made 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.399 the contribution that you've made has 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.119 been exceptional and you are Mar Meritus 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.519 and having sat in this chair for just a 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:08.559 very brief period of time as a custodian 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.680 of the role of the mayor I really 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:14.319 appreciate what that has meant and what 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.440 it's meant that you've given personally 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.799 professionally and what your family have 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.880 also contributed to helping you in 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:24.240 that role in supporting you and 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:25.839 supporting our 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:27.759 city I know that you have an 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:29.720 exceptionally bright f future ahead of 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.640 you and that there are more incredible 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.319 things to come and I'm being selfish and 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:37.960 sharing my deep sadness that you're 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:39.839 departing from this table because you've 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.680 been such an incredible 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:44.400 contributor and I know that there's 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:45.920 going to be a lot of sadness across the 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.920 organization because you have impacted 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.480 so many people's lives not just through 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.000 your policy work and your leadership but 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:54.720 in the way that you've always engaged 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:56.799 with such wisdom compassion and kindness 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.079 with everyone that you have worked with 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.279 and that I know the community will be 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.279 deeply saddened too because someone like 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.720 you who is an advocate from the heart 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.559 who makes sure that Community voice is 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.319 always at the table makes a difference 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:14.279 and it's a profound and Lasting change 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:15.759 that you have led and I wanted to thank 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:17.640 you for 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.079 that there's lots more I'd love to say 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:22.359 but I'm mindful that he didn't want 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.519 to make sort of a big fuss so we do have 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.000 a small presentation that we'd like to 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:29.599 share and perhap in a photo with the 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:31.759 council as if that would be with your 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.039 consent something that you'd like to 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.279 participate in thank you councelor 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.839 stos we'd like to present you with 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.559 two significant placeholders for 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.000 you to take home tonight that 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:46.599 represent your time at Kingston you 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:47.640 would have seen them on your table in 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.000 front of you so when you're mayor and 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.480 Deputy Mayor and just a small 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.319 arrangement of flowers to brighten up 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.319 your week and let you know how loved 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.720 and cared for you are so thank you 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:31.680 to e 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.240 just 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.880 I'll be back this isn't the last time 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:53.000 the last 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:55.720 time say thanks everyone have a good 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:57.200 night counselors we just take a short 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:01.000 recess I'll see counselor take us 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:31.559 out e 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.200 councilors are there any other 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.640 statements or reports that need to be 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.200 made if not we will now move to question 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.799 time thank you Mr 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.359 Bean thank you may Davy Burns this 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.720 evening we have 33 questions questions 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:30.480 I'd like to thank those who did submit 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:32.079 questions this evening please note the 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:33.799 governance rules have been applied to 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:35.960 all questions and two submissions have 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:37.440 not been accepted due to one of them 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.039 being ruled as a very repetitive 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:41.000 question that's already been answered 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:43.720 and another one was not allowed as the 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:46.200 author did not provide their last name 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.359 please note that any Preamble submitted 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.920 with the questions will not be read 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.160 out first question first two 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:55.279 questions are from Mark questions are 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:57.000 why has Council increased its employee 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.880 numbers by 9% to to 1,12 employees 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:02.720 during a time of severe cost of living 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.079 crisis being experienced by rate payers 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.720 spending 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.759 10894 million more than last year the 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:11.359 second question is why has Kingston 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:12.839 Council reduced the expenditure on 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.720 family and children centers downward 69% 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.880 from 2532 million in 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:21.400 2223 to now 783 th000 as mentioned in 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.160 your 24 25e budget I'll ask Mr Bernard 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:29.400 Rowan Chief Financial Officer to respond 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:31.200 thank you for the question and I I 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.599 respond through the mayor I refer to 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.079 page 56 of the 2024-25 budget and Page 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.440 576 of the council meeting agenda from 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.400 the meeting of 27 May 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:43.720 2024 the full-time equivalent Staffing 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:47.839 numbers changed from 1, 00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:59.480 171.200000 Community facing Services 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:01.079 additional staff for managing Kingson 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:02.960 Community Resources and open spaces and 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.200 growth in demand the change in employee 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:06.920 cost is also affected by the work cover 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:08.720 premi the superannuation guarantee 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.160 increase and changes in accounting 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:11.720 treatment of costs previously 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:13.799 capitalized further details are shown in 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:16.640 note 4.1.7 of the budget on page 70 of 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.279 that docent with respect to family and 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.160 children centers I refer to page 36 of 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.119 the 2024-25 budget and Page 556 of the 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:25.599 council meeting agenda from the last 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.359 meeting expenditure on family and 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.839 children centers in increases from 13.9 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.200 million in 2023 24 to 15 million in 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:35.400 20242 the numbers referred to in the 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:37.279 question are net of revenue from other 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.440 sources including grants and fees and 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.240 there is additional Revenue budgeted in 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:43.640 2024-25 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:47.359 thank you the next questions from onez 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:49.559 there is the program Kingston Council 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:51.319 mentions and says it's promoting in your 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:53.880 agenda called homes for home program 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:55.559 which you write homeowners undertake to 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:57.680 contribute 0.1% of their property sale 00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:59.599 price to be added to a pool of funds to 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.440 create social and affordable housing 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:03.799 mandatory or voluntary second question 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:05.799 is is this the same program you 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:07.279 currently describe on your Council 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:09.319 website under your heading housing and 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:11.799 homelessness called homes for homes I'll 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:13.680 ask Mr Jonathan Gutman general manager 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.680 planning a place to 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.200 respond through you mayor Davy burns the 00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:21.759 council's practice is to include a 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.799 voluntary note on planning permits for 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:25.519 two or more dwelling applications 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.279 encouraging a permit holder and or owner 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:30.799 to voluntarily commit to homes for homes 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.559 limited program the program described on 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:35.880 the council's website is the same 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:38.559 program the website says homes for home 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.759 is not is a non for-profit company 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:42.960 founded by the big issue they aim to 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:44.720 deliver social and affordable housing 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.160 through tax deductible donations made 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.599 when a home is sold homeowners agree to 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.640 a small percentage donation on the sale 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.240 of their their house which goes towards 00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:56.079 providing homes for others the 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.920 initiative is an Innovative fundraising 00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:58.720 model 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:00.400 that will increase the supply of Social 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:02.480 and affordable housing within Kingston 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.799 and across Victoria thank 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.720 you the next questions are being 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:10.440 combined they both from Graham and 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.039 Deborah and they read did the CEO Mr 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:14.680 Peter bean have knowledge of and 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.319 approved the figure of 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.720 $477 191 which was spent by Kingston 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.039 Council on the party for councel hadie 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.559 sa on 1 November 2023 at 6 p.m. in the 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:26.559 oakle room at the council offices when 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.039 he ended his meraly if not who at 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:31.240 Council approved this expenditure and 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:33.680 spend on the party can the CEO and 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:34.920 Council officers please tell us if the 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:36.960 figure of $ 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.720 47709 was spent by on the by Council on 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:42.079 the party of exm Hadis Sab on 1 November 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.079 2023 at 6 p.m. in the O when he finished 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.200 his term and can Council please issue 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:48.680 the invitation list for this party and 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:50.039 specifically reveal the members of the 00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.680 community who were invited I respond to 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.440 this by saying I was aware of a function 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.279 to recognize the support received by the 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.000 outgoing mayor during his ter as May 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.319 including a cost of 00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:05.279 $477 191 to host it and I will not be 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:06.960 providing the invitation list as it 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.319 cannot be circulated due to the 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.359 statutary obligations the council must 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:14.119 uphold in regard to the privacy of 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.960 information the next question is from 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.599 jagoda and it reads can you Mr Bean a 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.880 CEO Kingston Council in the interest of 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:25.960 transparency please name the actual 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.400 people in the institutions which are 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:29.240 involved in your election to the CEO 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.519 position at Kingston Council and who in 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.440 the end actually made the decision to 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.960 hire you to become the CEO of Kingston 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.319 Council I respond to that by saying the 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:40.880 selection process of my appointment as 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:42.960 Kingston CEO involved the councils and 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.440 an independent Prof consultant as set 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:46.839 out in the chief executive officer 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:49.279 employment and remuneration policy the 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.000 appointment of the CEO is by Council 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:52.880 resolution meaning this is a matter for 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.319 the whole of council to consider and 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.359 determine the requirements for the CEO 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.519 appointment is set out at section 45 4 00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.279 of The Local Government Act 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:03.920 2020 next question is from 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.000 Steven reads as follows why is there no 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.279 sign or record of any historical agenda 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.960 on the council website of the meeting 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.000 arranged by Council which Council 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:15.880 admitted actually occurred in the May 27 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:17.880 question time between supposedly the 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:19.400 council executive and the principal 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:21.079 director and lobbyist of Redbridge 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.000 Consulting Co samaris and Simon W and 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.000 Council and can you please indicate 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:28.119 exactly where this meeting meeting is 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.319 listed in past agendas Andor in the 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.920 council archive I'll ask Mr Dan Hogan 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.480 general manager customer and corporate 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.920 support to 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.039 respond thank you Mr 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.480 CEO this was reported publicly at 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.839 council meeting of the 25th of March 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.839 2024 the agenda item is 10.7 appendix 3 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.160 informal meeting of counselor's record 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.160 councelor planning workshop of 24 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:53.240 February 00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.799 2024 K samaris and Simon Welsh of 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:58.039 Redbridge group are listed as external 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:00.960 10 days this information is available on 00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.359 our website if you use the search box on 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.359 the on the homepage for council meeting 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.799 March 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.960 2024 thank you the next question is from 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.440 Donna and is why has Kingston counil giv 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.240 the Hawthorne football club $1.5 million 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.200 of our rate pay money toward building 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.079 their football oval and Pavilion 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.039 building and where our public Mone is 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:24.559 from Kingston towards this Hawthorne 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.759 football club project approved by a vote 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.000 from counselors I'll ask M Samantha crru 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:31.799 a general manager infrastructure open 00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.480 space to 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.000 respond thank you and through you mayor 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.720 at the May 2023 meeting Council resolved 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.759 to enter into a funding and Community 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:42.480 Access agreement with Hawthorne football 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.400 club and to contribute $5 million 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.960 towards the development of a new 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.440 community oval and Pavilion which is 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.359 focused on showcasing women's sport the 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:53.839 funding contribution is spread in 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.720 increments across Three Financial years 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.599 the partnership between counc in haon 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.319 football club is for a period of 30 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.759 years for a minim of 20 hours per week 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.200 of community sport use Council will plan 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.680 active role in the seasonal allocation 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.799 and coordination of the community use of 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.319 the oval and Pavilion the oval will be 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.440 open for General Public Access when not 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:17.279 in 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.559 use next question is from Elena 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.440 vids the question is can you please tell 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:25.759 us who is watching the performance 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.680 indicators kpi of the C CEO and rating 00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.279 their capability and success in their 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.039 job and what parameters are used to 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.160 determine the success or failure of a 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.680 council CEO I'll ask Mr Hogan to respond 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:39.200 to that 00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:41.759 question thank you the CEO employment 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:43.160 matters committee or the committee 00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:44.680 oversees the process setting and 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.279 monitoring of CEO kpis the parameters to 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.119 monitor coo performance include the set 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.599 kpis are set by the committee ratified 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.000 by Council the progress against the kpis 00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:55.880 are monitored and reported to council as 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.960 required 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.240 next question is from Colin can Council 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.480 offices and Council media please cease 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.559 calling disturbances and upsets within 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.559 the domestic environment by any people 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.480 at Family Violence as this negatively 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.519 impacts on the positive important and 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.920 valuable role of the family Unity has in 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.160 all our lives and in a stable Society 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.039 can Council please establish a family 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.079 celebration week where we all celebrate 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.039 the joy and benefit of family life in 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.880 our Kingston area ask Miss Kate Waters 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.119 acting general manager Community 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:28.640 strengthening to 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.400 respond thank you and through you mayor 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.240 jdb Family Violence is a commonly used 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.200 term by all levels of government the 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:38.960 community sector the education sector 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.680 Etc and is defined as any threatening 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.640 cerve dominating or abusive behavior 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.119 that occurs between people in a family 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.160 domestic or intimate relationship or 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.000 former intimate relationship Council 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.079 runs a full calendar of family events 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.480 such as Spring Fair carols by Kingston 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.920 Morty Fest and the pet Expo which all 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.000 encourage family participation 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.079 celebration and 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.680 enjoyment next questions from Lissa why 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.400 is the register of counselors gift 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.039 hospitality and political donations 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.440 nowhere to be found on the Kingston 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.480 Council website is Council going to 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.000 create this register on the official 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.000 Council website so that all people can 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.079 see in real lifetime frame and not 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.400 delayed by months or years with full 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.039 transparency what monies and other 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:27.160 benefits are flowing through to 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.960 councilors and see what's going on I'll 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:31.559 respond to this by saying our apologies 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:32.839 that this register was not in public 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:34.759 view on our website this has now been 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:36.319 rectified and the register is now 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.319 available on council's 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.440 website next question is from rosin why 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.400 has Council reduced its outside school 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.160 hours programed by 30% from 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.400 $240,000 in 2324 years to 168,000 in 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.039 2425 and why has cancer reduced its 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.720 Family Daycare program by 36% from 00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:02.200 192,000 232 24 down to 124,000 2425 I'll 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.200 ask Mr Rowan to respond to this 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.960 question thank you and through the mayor 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:09.519 with respect to outside school hours 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.920 program I refer to page 37 of the 20242 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.440 budget and Page 557 of the council 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.240 meeting agenda from 27 May the outside 00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.039 school hours program is changing its 00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:21.599 service offering in 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.240 20242 and the leage program has ceased 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:25.279 from January 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.880 2024 this affects the budget allocation 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:30.200 across the two Financial years with 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:31.839 respect to the Family Daycare program I 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.480 refer to page 36 of the 2024-25 budget 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.720 and page 55 the council meeting agenda 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.119 from 27 May expenditure on Family 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.599 Daycare increases from 1.2 million in 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.839 2023 24 to 1.4 million in 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:46.960 20242 the numbers referred to in the 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.599 question are net of revenue from other 00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:50.599 sources including grants and fees and 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.240 there is additional Revenue budgeted in 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.319 2024-25 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.000 next question is from Julia can the 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:00.759 community please have earlier access to 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.319 the agendas for all Council meetings 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.599 instead of the current practice of 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.680 council to release the agenda on the 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.519 Friday before the Monday meetings which 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:09.320 does not give the public nearly enough 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:10.719 time and a proper chance to go through 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.800 it properly why can't the community get 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:14.559 the agenda days in advance like the 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:16.800 Kingston Council has do I'll ask Mr 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:18.800 Hogan to respond to this 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:22.320 question thank you while I understand 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.280 the preference to have agendas 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.079 released as early as possible what I can 00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.760 say is that the agendas for Council 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:28.760 meetings are made available to 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:30.920 counselors on the Thursday afternoon 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:32.880 prior to the council meeting and to the 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.039 public by midday on the Friday to the 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.039 council meeting so it's a matter of ours 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:39.960 indifference the next question is from 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:42.119 Rosary will Kingston be sending out 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:43.679 letters to the rate payers in Kingston 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.000 who own a property and run a business 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.440 and pay rates in Kingston EG factories 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.679 investment properties businesses Etc to 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:51.159 advise them that they are eligible to 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:52.960 vote in the Kingston council local 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:54.920 government election in addition to being 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.320 a state enrolled resident elsewhere and 00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:58.880 where all these particular rap payers 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.679 and owners go where online on your site 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.000 please to register their in interest and 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:06.960 formally enroll to vote at the Kingston 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.199 election coming in October I'll ask Mr 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.800 Hogan to respond to this 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.920 question thank you Mr CEO more than 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.039 11,000 letters were sent in the month of 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.159 May to those with an entitlement to vote 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:19.480 who are not currently on the state 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.679 electoral role this includes owner rate 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.280 payers and businesses eligible voters 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.159 can apply via council's website on the 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:28.760 page council elections city of Kingston 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.239 again please use the search 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.280 function next questions are from Lynn 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.159 how can a current Kingston Council be 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:38.880 appointed to the state Secretary of the 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.800 Victorian labor party which is an 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.679 appointment given to him by a labor 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.840 party parliamentary minister of the 00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.880 Victorian state government and still be 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.159 allowed to function draw a wage vote and 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.639 qualify as a counselor seeing this goes 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:52.719 against the rules of the Local 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.880 Government Act 2020 has the CEO Mr Peter 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:57.800 Bean investigated this situation with 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.280 Kingston governance lawyers I respond to 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.840 this by advising that the Local 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.239 Government Act 2020 section 44 sets out 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.000 the qualifications and requirements of 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:08.519 individuals to hold the role of a 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.480 counselor the position of state 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.639 Secretary is not appointed by the party 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.119 it's not a is appointed by the party 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.480 it's not a political appointment by a 00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:19.920 parliamentary minister of the Victorian 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.000 state government and as such does not 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.280 deem a counselor unqualified to perform 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.519 the role therefore an investigation is 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:28.880 not required 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:30.239 the next question is from Rose will 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.679 Council please remove the glass wall 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:33.239 that is erected in the council meeting 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.199 room between the public sitting area and 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.800 the councellors do you think that 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.000 spending $40,000 of rap payer funds on 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.280 this glorified pool fence was justified 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:42.440 considering that the only people who 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.400 come to watch counselors and council at 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.199 meetings of residents who are in their 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.280 older years who have presented no threat 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.800 whatsoever to counselors and never did 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.000 I'll ask Mr Hogan to respond to this 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.760 question thank you Mr CEO there are 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:58.079 no plans to remove the ballr 00:36:58.159 --> 00:36:59.719 the install installation of the 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:01.519 ballustrade was a risk-based decision to 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:02.960 ensure all appropriate measures are 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.360 taken to provide a safe working 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:05.960 environment and to support Council 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.199 meetings being open to the public we are 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.840 mindful of voice case 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.920 Center next question is from Gail why 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:15.840 our honored and recognized Australian 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:17.599 flag nowhere to be seen and completely 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.280 missing from the official Kingston 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.960 Council website is this not an insult 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.039 I'll ask Mr Hogan to respond to the 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.760 question thank you there is no statute 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.280 requirement for the Australian flag to 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.639 be displayed on council's website I am 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:33.360 not aware of any Council in Victoria 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:34.880 that displays the Australian flag on 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.599 their website we do however have a Civic 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.800 flag policy which formalizes council's 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:41.480 compliance with the Australian national 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.519 flag protocols as administered by the 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.840 department of prime minister and 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.800 cabinet next question from Ian searching 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:51.920 Kingston's agendas and minutes there are 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.079 no agendas or minutes published for the 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.639 2024 April May and June June plan 00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.199 committee meetings could you please tell 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:00.599 me when Council will display them so 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.840 they are available to read and download 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:04.119 and could you please ensure that I 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:06.599 provided with the specific details of 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.280 the complaints against me that I have 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.079 never that I have earlier requested I 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.000 ask Mr Hogan to 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.760 respond thank you no planning committing 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.239 meetings were held in the months of 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.119 April May or June therefore no agendas 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.800 or minutes are available for those 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.719 meetings in regards to question two this 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.280 complaint will be handled in accordance 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.280 with council's complaint handling policy 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.280 which can be found online at kingston. 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.199 viic 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.679 to.au complaints an officer will be in 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.239 touch next question is from Steven given 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.079 the findings of the utsman what measures 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:42.000 have the council councilor's CEO 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:43.719 council's audit and risk committee or 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.079 governance Department of the council 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.360 taken to reduce the risk of counselors 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:48.920 placed in a position of conflicting 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.719 duties as the council CEO or other 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.320 Council officer or member of council's 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.320 audit committee raised any issue in 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:56.880 relation to any Council placed in a 00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:59.079 position whereby they may be at risk of 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.360 failing to meet their statutary 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.320 obligations to be impartial and 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.840 Faithfully serve the interests of the 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.159 council and the council constituency as 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.360 the result of any new conflicting Duty 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.719 affecting a counselor due to a change to 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.039 their employment I'll ask Mr Hogan to 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.719 respond to this 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.199 question thank you councilors are made 00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:19.440 aware of their responsibilities and 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:21.079 obligations through induction and 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.840 ongoing training and their continued 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.920 practice in the role and also during 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:26.559 formal meetings with accompanying agenda 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.800 items any issues of concern that may 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.159 arise are managed through a range of 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:31.880 appropriate channels noting the various 00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.000 role of oversight bodies also in regards 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.320 to question two no issue has been raised 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.880 in relation to any counselor placed in a 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:41.559 position whereby they may be at risk of 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.360 failing to meet their statutary 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.280 obligations next question is from Leo 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:48.840 how is it possible the council traffic 00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:50.920 department in discussions last week and 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.480 previous Council reports on the impact 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.800 of the project have had no awareness of 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.320 the proposal it's referring to the level 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:57.920 crossing removal program 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.360 and will Council and in particular 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.440 counselor Hill Advocate to attain a 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.880 crossing at the lro street location as 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.320 an important access route for local Como 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.880 Ward residents I'll ask Miss Cru to 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.159 respond to the 00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:13.440 question thank you and through you mayor 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.320 in response to question one the closure 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.559 of the Roger Street and Crona Street 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.199 pedestrian Crossing has been a decision 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:20.920 that the level crossing removal project 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.679 has made Council has made previous 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.840 representations to the Alex LP regarding 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.559 the importance of this Crossing for the 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.400 community Through the level crossing 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:30.960 removal works at 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:33.920 Menon council is not aware of when and 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.159 whether the Alex RP have historically 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:37.920 made the community aware of its 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.159 intentions to close The Pedestrian 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:42.440 crossing the consequence of this change 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.039 is that community members will need to 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.400 walk an additional 200 M approximately 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.320 further south to cross under the 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.920 elevated rail nearer to orgle Road in 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.639 response to question two the council 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:55.719 will write to the alexp and ask that 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.719 they formally notify Leo 00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:59.320 of the reasons for the decision they 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.519 have made to close The Pedestrian 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.000 Crossing next question is from Simon 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:06.760 considering the potential risk of undue 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.280 influence on councilors Whose employment 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.280 involves supporting MPS in their 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.360 political roles would Kingston Council 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:13.800 consider requesting the appointment of a 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.760 municipal monitor I'll respond to that 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.159 question with a simple 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.000 no next question is from rosem me West 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.039 will Kingston Council join B with 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.679 Bayside and other Suburban rail Loop 00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.000 East councils in a joint effort to 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.159 mitigate the impact of the srl on srl 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.719 EAS communities and if not why not and 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.440 will Kingston Council consider following 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:38.320 the example of basai council by 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.800 undertaking a survey of Kingston 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:41.519 residents regarding whether or not they 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.880 support the Suburban rail Loop we ask Mr 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:45.639 Gutman to respond to this 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.400 question three you mayor DAV burns the 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:49.239 city of 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.960 Kingston has been an active participant 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:53.800 in strategic planning initiatives 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.360 involving the Suburban rail Loop project 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:57.760 since the project 00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:59.719 Inception and has made ongoing 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.480 submissions to the SR the council as 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.000 part of tonight's agenda will be 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.599 considering a report regarding the 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.639 Suburban rail loop key emerging 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.719 directions work the Suburban rail Loop 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.920 is an approved project being undertaken 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.480 by the state government a role council 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.119 is seeking to play is to provide 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:18.920 constructive feedback to the Suburban 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.440 rail Loop Authority on how it best 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.679 engages with King with the Kingston 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.880 Community to ensure that anyone wishing 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.559 to provide feedback is able to do so 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:29.639 thank 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.639 you that concludes the accepted question 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.360 suceeding mayor DAV 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:38.079 Burns thank you very much the next item 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.000 on the agenda is 7.1 town planning 00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.639 application decision for May 2024 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.480 councilors do we have a 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.679 motion thank you councelor Hill and 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.360 thank you councelor H councilors does 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:53.880 this item require any 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.480 debate I'll put the item to the vote all 00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:59.119 those in favor 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.480 all the so y I'll declare that carried 00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.440 unanimously thank you 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.360 counselors the next item on the agenda 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:10.760 is 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.320 7.2 and this is 11 Pier 1 Drive part 17 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.719 to 109 McLoud Road Patterson Lakes 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.679 councelor Hal I believe you'd like to 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.159 make a statement thank you thank you as 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.440 earlier any matter in the commercial 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.119 interest of these zakowski family I'll 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.760 be calling a general conflict of 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:31.440 interest and as that is the case this 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.360 evening I will not be voting thank you 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.280 thank you councilor 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:49.280 H counselors I'd like to call for a 00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.360 motion please thank you councelor Davies 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:53.679 would you like to move the office of 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.960 recommendation thank you 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.679 Council Hill seconding thank you 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:03.079 councilor Davis would you like to speak 00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:07.400 to this Reserve Council 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.159 Hill thank you yeah thank you mayor J 00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.480 jdb just a really quick explanation 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:15.760 this is something that's been in front 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.400 of council for many many years what's 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.559 being recommended to us is really just 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:26.119 to follow the advice received from 00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.960 the Department of transport and planning 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.440 and which is to remove reference to 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.320 the deceleration Lane for this 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.800 property so really that's that's it 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.320 in nsh thank you thank you Council Hill 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:41.960 would any other councilors like to speak 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.440 to this 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.840 motion no councilors I'll put the item 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.400 to the vote then ask all those in 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.400 favor just pause one moment councilors 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:00.800 you put your hands down I'll call again 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:03.960 thank you am I ready my 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.519 apologies all right councilors ask all 00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:12.360 those 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:16.519 four councelor Davies Hill Eden H 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.280 Beasley 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.719 Sab and counselor Cochran thank 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:28.360 you excellent I'll declare that that 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.760 sorry just 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.400 check coun 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:34.920 Oxley thank you will note Council Oxley 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.280 is abstaining thank you Council Oxley 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.360 and any I don't think we have any votes 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.519 against no thank you I'll declare that 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.679 Carri counselor thank 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.880 you item 7.3 six Susan Street M alic 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:54.079 tree removal application 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:03.000 councilors do we have a 00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:06.119 motion councelor Cochran thank you and 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:07.280 councelor 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.239 Davies councelor 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:11.320 Cochran just the officer 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.119 recommendation is seen on screen thank 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.920 you okay thank you councilors is any 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.960 debate required for this 00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.920 item no I'll put the item to the vote 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.599 then ask all those in favor to please 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.079 raise your 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.960 hand okay 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.480 that wasn't unanimous so we have 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:31.480 all 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.880 counselors present and councelor Eden 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:36.880 would you like me to note against or 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.199 abstain abstention thank you very much 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.039 I'll declare that 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.119 carried thank you item 7.4 is the 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.760 Kingston planning scheme Amendment for 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.800 275 to 3155 Kingston Road Clarinda thank 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.079 you councilor s the offic of 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:58.719 recommendation thank you very much 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.800 second thank you councelor Davies 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.159 councelor 00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.880 Sab thank you mayor jdb thank you 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:11.840 I just wanted to on the again from the 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:13.119 start just mention that I'm okay 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.719 supporting this submission and wanted to 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.840 represent some of the views of the 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:18.880 community though namely those from 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.800 groups like KRA but also residents like 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.960 syan Anthony who spoke to me about their 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.880 concerns with this particular not not 00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:27.840 the submission as such but the issue 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:29.039 that's going on here and why we're 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:30.480 making a submission and I just wanted to 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.199 raise those concerns cuz I do share them 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.000 myself some of the concerns that I 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.199 heard from these groups and from the 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.000 residents were around key missing 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.039 information details for the location and 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.440 impact of the borrowing machines a 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.159 missing spoil management plan which has 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.519 been missing for a number of years now 00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.840 we have no information as well on how 00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.320 and when the spoil will be removed these 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:54.599 are some of their concerns that they've 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.960 raised but I I did want to point to a 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.480 section in our submission that I think 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.440 does address some of these concerns and 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.960 I will at a later point maybe once I 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.039 conclude ask a question through to 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:08.559 the relevant officer around this just 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.840 for clarity and clarification but 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:13.719 Point 15 on our initial letter 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.320 submission actually talks to 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.440 enforcing or speaking to the adherence 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.599 to processes plants and equipment and 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.480 procedures conducted on the site and 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.480 that they are adhering to D mitigation 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:29.280 practices to the best practice that is 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.280 occurring already at Alex Fraser I do 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.079 need to reference though that our 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.800 community has spent a long time and 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.440 in 2020 I think was when the decision 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:39.840 was called in by the minister and it was 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:41.039 approved but there was a number of 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:42.360 submissions and objections to this 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:44.440 process and following that whole 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.800 process was our community able to land 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:48.599 in a space that now Alex Fraser 00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.280 practices what they claim to be the best 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:52.760 practice on site that is water bodies 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.000 that manage dust that is bondings around 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.280 the site that is monitor that monitor 00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.039 all the dust that happens across the 00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.039 space that's really important because 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:02.960 what their concerns are and this is what 00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.280 I share is that when srl are going to be 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.119 using space a significant portion of the 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:10.480 Alex phaser site to do some of their 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.960 boring machines they don't actually fall 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.199 under the specific EPA rulings Alex 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:17.719 Fraser will have to continue to operate 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:19.159 under those EPA regulations and 00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.000 governance and procedure practices but 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.719 srl because of State legislation have 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:25.400 our own set of requirements that they 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:27.159 have to operate under 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:28.719 what we've called for which is where 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:29.920 I've landed after speaking to the 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.079 officers and feel a level of comfort is 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:33.840 we do call out specifically that 00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:36.119 difference and that we ask for in 15 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.599 from a to J calls about the practices 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:41.440 that we wish for them to follow which is 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.400 adhering to and upholding those EPA 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.119 practices and trying to instill best 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.119 practice that they're already doing so I 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:49.400 just wanted to make that clear I do 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.440 share my concern because unfortunately 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:53.000 it is State legislation that overalls 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:54.599 that but we are addressing those 00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:56.760 concerns and trying to ensure that the 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.119 operating practice of the EPA of the 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:00.559 Suburban rail Loop sorry while they're 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.599 on the Alex Fraser site is in keeping 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:04.599 with that practice I did just want to 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.079 read out one particular point which I 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:07.440 think is really relevant as well and 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.880 that's Point 16 which reads if at any 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.039 time the dust suppression measured 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.400 measures of the endorsed SM cannot be 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.920 implemented and significant offsite dust 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.039 emissions are likely the project 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:21.840 activities that would guarantee dust 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.840 must not operate for that period so we 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:25.679 are calling out where those issues are I 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:27.199 know this is speaking specifically to 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:28.760 just dust and there are other concerns 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:29.960 but I just wanted to make that clear 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:31.159 that we are making those submission 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.280 trying to address those but I do share 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.039 those concerns with those residents and 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.280 I and I will commit to the next 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:38.639 opportunity that we do speak with 00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:40.199 Suburban rail Loop that I do make those 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.599 representations to them that they do 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:44.679 continue to where they can and we push 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:45.800 for that and I think that's a really 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:47.599 strong position Council should land on 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.559 because it's a position we had for a 00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.360 long time while this Alex Fraser site 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:52.599 was being considered and that per was 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.639 being considered that we push for the 00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.239 best practice so our community 00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.760 is not you know feeling the brunt of 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.000 all of these issues which they already 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:02.400 will be but we can do what we can to 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.239 mitigate those and that is really really 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.239 important and we know that because after 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.679 years and years the northern part of our 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.119 city has gone through a long long 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.880 history of closing landfill sites of 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.360 dealing with Alex pH we're dealing with 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.280 pretty serious issues that cause their 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:19.559 quality of life to be lessened so I 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:21.280 just want to make that really clear 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.159 thank you thank you very much councilor 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.679 Sab councilor Davies your reserve would 00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:28.519 any other Council like to speak to thank 00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.360 you Council 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:33.280 Hill yeah thank you mayor jdb and just 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.119 through you I'd just like to ask a 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.679 question to the relevant officer 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.519 regarding an email received and just one 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:41.880 point of 00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:46.360 clarification around if this 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.480 planning scheme amendment was 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.239 approved whether I think there was 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.320 concerns regarding the extension that 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.559 had been granted to Alex phaser back in 00:51:57.639 --> 00:51:59.719 2020 I think takes it through to 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:00.760 December 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.159 2033 and that what is being 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.639 proposed here in no way impacts that 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:09.920 decision from a few years ago thank you 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.440 thank you Council hill I'll refer that 00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:13.239 through to Mr 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.320 Gutman through you mayor Davey Burns 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.719 Mr Carnaval and myself have made sure 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:22.440 that that's the case and the 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.679 Incorporated docent that's proposed to 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.639 be put into the planning scheme does not 00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:30.599 not does not put at risk The Limited 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.639 nature of the permit for the Alex Fraser 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:34.679 site I think it's to the 5th of December 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.199 2033 thank 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.559 you thank you councilor Hill any other 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.360 councilors wishing to debate this 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:47.000 motion Council sa your question thank 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.159 you thank you Madame mayor just a 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:50.800 question through to the relevant 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.480 officer if that's Mr 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.480 Goodman just around that same point 00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:57.960 that I was talking to and the insurance 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.800 of best practice and EPA requirements 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.239 for what happens when Suburban rail 00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.039 Loop does use the Alex fras site if they 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.239 can clarify some some information around 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.559 that 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.920 please thank you Mr Gman through you 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.199 mayor David Burns I think it's 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.039 important to note that the Suburban rail 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:19.599 Loop still is affected by an 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:21.559 Environmental Management framework which 00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.199 has over 100 environmental performance 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:28.039 requirements those requirements are 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.599 mandatory on the Suburban rail Loop and 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.880 they do require oversight from other 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:35.440 authorities and I think that's been 00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.559 evidenced through early works that have 00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.800 been undertaken over the site where 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:42.559 not over the Alex Fraser site but over 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:44.559 another PA of stabling site where other 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.960 government instrentalities like work 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:49.079 safe and the Environmental Protection 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:51.079 Authority have been actively monitoring 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:52.679 some issues that residents have brought 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.079 to our attention over those sites thank 00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.079 you 00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:57.960 thank 00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.960 you ccor s would you like to close no 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:02.559 I'll put this item to the vote all those 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:03.719 in 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.599 favor councelor Hill councelor Hal 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.039 councelor h councelor Davies councelor 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.840 Bley and councelor 00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:13.119 Sab all those 00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.440 against councelor Eden and all those 00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:19.039 abstaining councelor Oxley thank you 00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:21.480 I'll declare that 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.920 carried next 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.159 item on the agenda is 7 . five the 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.400 Suburban rail key emerging directions 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.079 Council submission councelor Sab you 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:33.840 like to move the 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.880 recommendation and councelor Hill to 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.840 Second councelor Sab thank you Madame 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:40.119 mayor and I just wanted to again 00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.400 highlight some key elements from the 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:43.559 submission that we're talking through 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:44.960 and I'm really supportive of this one 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:46.239 actually because it does highlight some 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.320 of those really key issues those 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:50.960 being that in adopting this 00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:52.400 submission 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.159 what we've really requested and it's 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:56.920 been clear throughout the report is that 00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:01.039 there is missing data and that data 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:02.440 and Technical information actually the 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:03.840 technical reports is what we're calling 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:05.679 for that helps inform the planning and 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.679 future growth of Kingston but not all of 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.880 these technical reports have been 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:11.119 provided to council and we've been 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:12.840 calling for those for a while and that's 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.039 part of our submission is requesting 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:18.159 that information so I do urge srla to 00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:20.719 be forthright and share these reports I 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.599 also hope and a part of our submission 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.880 calls to this as well that the 30 days 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.039 minim exhibition of both D the draft 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:28.920 structure plan and the PSAs is not going 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:29.719 to be 00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.960 undertaken but a longer period of at 00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:34.559 least 6 weeks which is again what we're 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.280 calling for in our submission of 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.920 consultation will be the process and one 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:41.400 especially that does not run over a 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:43.559 holiday period for example like this 00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.679 July period or the December Christmas 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.679 period where people are away because I 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.639 think that's what up upholds integrity 00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:51.719 and genuine consultation and we 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:53.039 talked to that a little bit further as 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:54.480 well in our submission that there needs 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:56.840 to be genuine consultation for our 00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:58.599 community and for Council as a as a 00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.920 significant stakeholder to this process 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:02.480 our submission talks to a range of 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:04.880 other elements it talks to winfall gains 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:06.400 tax which is an important element as 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:07.719 well to the submission it talks to 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:09.800 development contributions which is 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.039 crucial when we see large infrastructure 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:13.519 projects like this or other developments 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.599 happen in the area that we are seeing 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:16.679 what we can then give back to the 00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:19.360 community because this is a high impact 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.639 issue it also talks to the importance of 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.199 meaningful engagement and Council has 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.119 been a constructive part a participant 00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.639 in this process but like I said and like 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:31.199 the report says and our submission talks 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.360 too there is a lack of detail that is 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:35.199 making it difficult for genuine 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.840 engagement from Council so we need 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.519 that data that's been collected that's 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:40.960 that's the brunt of it it needs to be 00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:42.800 shared with us that that allows again 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:44.519 for us to be genuine in our feedback in 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:46.239 our concerns and allows us to represent 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.039 our community better it I don't know 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.199 it seems like it is a pretty consistent 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.079 process that a lot of these big projects 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:54.159 a lot of these big announcements that 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:56.440 are happening across our city seems to 00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.199 tend to lack a lot of detail from the 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:00.599 government from the state government and 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.280 I think that is a real concern like I I 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.400 I can't see why they would not share 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:05.599 that information when they've got it 00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.920 especially the technical reports in this 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:09.519 because that just allows us to better 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.679 inform the feedback that we give them 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:13.239 because we are the ones who have the 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.840 localized understanding of the area the 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:16.280 best localized understanding of the area 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:18.599 as the local Council and I'm sure it 00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.199 is the same with all of the other 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.079 councils that are closely affected and 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.599 stakeholders in the area that are now 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.440 having to go through through this 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.320 process with srl thank you thank you 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:33.280 councelor Sab councelor 00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.239 Hill yeah thanks again mayor jdb look I 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.360 just also want to acknowledge the really 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.039 big body of work that's already been 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.280 done by our officers I think having 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.280 this sort of plan in front of us 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:50.079 really gives us a great opportunity 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:51.639 to ensure the you know the most 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.280 successful outcome here for Council and 00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.800 for our residents 00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.840 as councilor Sab has pointed out there 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:02.840 are some emissions in the information 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:04.639 that we've been provided with thus far 00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.400 and I think we're rightly asking for 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.320 further detail just to be really clear 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.280 on what our expectation is and what the 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.400 expectation of the community is with 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.400 regards to the outcomes of this you 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:20.760 know it's an immense project and we just 00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.159 want to make sure that you know our 00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.880 our communities best interests aren't 00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.360 aren't missed in all the planning that 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:33.039 is being done I actually go to we had 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.079 we actually received a really 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.559 thorough email I've got to say from KRA 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.880 today and I think they pointed out 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.159 some really interesting or things 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:46.679 that were actually you know within the 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:51.880 docent itself so just going to 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.079 just going to bre well not Brea that but 00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:55.719 just a few of the points they touched on 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:57.679 things like asking for further 00:58:57.760 --> 00:58:59.239 information about transitioning the 00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.079 building Heights because what's being 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:04.440 proposed with these works is some 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.599 pretty significant increase in building 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:08.239 Heights in certain areas and just 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.599 getting greater understanding of how 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.519 those transitions will work within the 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.119 Zone but also on the edge of the zone as 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.440 well I think that's that's really really 00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.360 important that will obviously impact 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.480 things such as solar and daylight access 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.239 open space with these higher 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:29.320 densities you know we really need to be 00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:30.480 confident that there's going to be a 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:33.079 greater provision of of open space for 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:34.920 the new residents who move into these 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.960 areas and then also things like 00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.239 green infrastructure Incorporated 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.280 within the building and increased tree 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.519 canopy as well so there's some talk 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.679 around you know Community 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:50.880 infrastructure as well and getting some 00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.519 commitments on that also and then 00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.519 just alignment with our Council plan 00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:58.639 regarding 00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.119 sustainability also just making sure 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:04.199 that what is built is you know in 01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.440 strong alignment with the policies 01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:09.000 and strategies that we already have in 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:11.800 place at Council so leave my comments 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.599 there thank you thank you councelor Hill 01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:16.840 and the K stands for the Kingston 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.960 residents Association so thank you 01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:21.480 any other councilors wishing to debate 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:22.519 this 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.639 motion councelor s would you like to 01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:26.400 close I'll put the item to the vote all 01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.679 those in 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:34.440 favor councelor Eden councelor Davies 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.039 sorry I think I can declare that 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.920 unanimous thank you 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.119 councilors item 7.6 is the consultation 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.519 outcome on proposed change to mandry 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.480 desexing order for dogs counselors do we 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:56.679 have a motion counselor Hill 01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:59.039 thank you mayor jdb I'd just like to 01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.599 move an amendment that I've s around 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:03.920 this evening thank 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.199 you thank 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.199 you we'll just take a moment thank you 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:11.800 Council Hill for that to be brought up 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.280 on the screen 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.960 it sorry would it be easier for me to 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.880 read it out 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.039 no perhaps if 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.760 we refer at 6:56 p.m. is that 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.079 helpful beautiful you've got it thank 01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.159 you 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:17.000 thank you governance councilor Hill is 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:18.920 this the intended motion you're wishing 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.119 to move all right we'll just take a 01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.280 moment for counselors to review that and 01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.280 I'll ask if there is someone who will 01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:29.320 second this motion councelor Davies 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:32.320 thank you councilor 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:35.079 Hill yeah thank you look and the 01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:39.400 reason I've moved this amendment is 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:41.440 it's one of those instances I suppose 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:44.440 where I you know understand exactly how 01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:46.440 we've landed where we've landed our 01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.840 officers and really we're following 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:51.880 the the outcomes of the community 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:53.920 consultation I think there were concerns 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:55.440 initially the the whole reason that 01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:57.320 we've got gone through this process is 01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.679 that there were concerns around rates of 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:04.119 dog registrations in particular and 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:05.760 ways that we might be able to address 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:07.719 those and and what we went out to 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:09.320 community consultation on Was the 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:13.119 removal of the mandatory desexing order 01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.000 now if we actually listen to our 01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.519 community on this matter as well as vets 01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.480 in our community it's come back quite 01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.719 clearly that they don't support the 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.519 removal of the mandatory DX order 01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:29.000 however there is 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:33.440 certainly still concern over the 01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:36.079 age of 3 months and I know that that's 01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:37.760 particularly relevant to certain breeds 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:41.440 of dogs I think most more typically 01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:44.320 the larger breeds there's there's 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.400 professional advice that residents will 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:47.880 receive from their vets that you know 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.440 maybe 3 months is an appropriate age to 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:55.280 be desexing a large large breed so 01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.519 there is that little bit of conflict you 01:03:57.599 --> 01:03:59.440 know that I I think to some degree the 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.480 easy solution might be that we could 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:06.159 separate the the age where an animal 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:08.760 is registered to when they're when 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:11.280 they're desexed but we know there are 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.239 legalities around that so where I've 01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:17.199 landed hopefully that will'll give 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.519 balance to this is that 01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:23.320 our our you know pet owners can 01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:25.880 always get exemptions from their vets so 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.239 there's a range of ways that that pet 01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:31.400 owners can get exemptions one being you 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:33.599 know if they have a letter from a vet 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:36.199 just around the animals health and and 01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.320 recommendation not to desex at 3 months 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:43.159 to desex at a later age that that is 01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:46.199 already present in our current 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:49.360 methodology but this way I think we'll 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.239 be more proactive in making sure that 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:54.360 our vets promote that to to pet owners 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:58.199 but then also currently there's a dis 01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:00.440 there's a higher rate that someone 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.719 would pay for a dog that isn't 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.360 desexed at the time of registration so 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.000 all I'm moving here is that that 01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:13.599 additional fee is is pushed back it's 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:17.199 deferred for for one year so I think in 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:21.800 most cases the Vets might be advising 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.599 pet owners to push back the dxing to 01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:26.840 around about the 12 month Mark and so 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:29.679 this way anyone who's who owns a dog 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:31.519 where they get that exemption letter 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:32.960 from their vet they're not going to be 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.480 financially put out by you know by the 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.800 advice they're receiving from the vet so 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.159 that's really the background to this and 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:42.800 hopefully this sort of bridges the Gap 01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.199 and as a fair sort of resolution to this 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.400 matter so thank you thank you councilor 01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.000 Hill councelor Davies your reserve any 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:53.159 other councilors wishing to debate the 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.039 motion councilors will put the item to 01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:57.480 the vote if there's no further 01:05:57.559 --> 01:05:58.840 discussion 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:03.519 required thank you I'll ask all those in 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.840 favor thank you and I'll ask all those 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:10.079 against and all those 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:12.119 abstaining councelor cochr thank you 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:16.039 I'll declare that item carried item 7.7 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:17.679 is the consultation outcome of the 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:19.519 proposed change to the dog order 01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:22.639 limiting dogs under control at offleash 01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:27.559 areas counselors do we have a motion 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:33.840 councel sub thank 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.079 you may 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:39.000 seconder councelor Hill thank you 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:41.719 councelor s you 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.239 reserve councilor 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:47.719 Hill no 01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:49.920 Reserve are there any council is wishing 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.719 to debate this motion thank you 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.239 councelor 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:57.119 Cochran thank you look I just want to 01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:00.920 speak quickly to this item I'm I'm not 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:06.760 in support I think a lot of the time 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:08.559 Victoria can be known as The Nanny 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.440 State and and it's it's for rules like 01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:14.280 this that probably give us that title 01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.280 there are a number of other councils 01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:18.800 that don't have this issue and I think 01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:20.880 it's just a real shame that we would 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.440 have to make local laws that get so 01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:28.320 niched and so intrinsic into one small 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:29.840 little issue it's definitely not one 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.599 that I see very often I'm an avid dog 01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:38.320 walker I'd just say play on very few 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.280 incidents across the municipality and I 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:41.679 just don't think we have to make rules 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.440 about absolutely everything let people 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.440 live that's my view thank you thank you 01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:48.840 very much councelor 01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:52.360 Cochran councelor 01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:56.960 how thank you and I know at least from 01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.119 what's been reported to me me to me in 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.840 my own experiences that dog 01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:05.960 attacks women being bowled over by 01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:09.360 dogs F fights verbal altercations are 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:11.480 very very common at Karen 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:14.400 forall and it's a big issue and it gets 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:17.960 reported on a frequent basis what I see 01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.840 is people can't control one dog but 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:22.920 whether or not this passes or not 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:25.439 tonight I know from my personal EXP 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.439 experience that no regulations on the 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.439 foreshore are really pursued and 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:32.760 enforced whether it's smoking whether 01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:35.760 it's littering it's anything on any of 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:37.880 the signs that I see down there it's 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.960 it's really remote chances that if 01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:44.239 someone actually did have six dogs on a 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:46.640 leash that there'd be someone there to 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:50.119 count each of the six dogs and they say 01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:52.279 oh look you're compliant with the new 01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:55.640 rule now if they had seven dogs I don't 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:57.199 think anyone would be there in any way 01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.119 and that's my experience so I want to be 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.319 supporting it because it won't be 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:04.279 enforced thank you councelor 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:06.479 how any other councilors wishing to 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:09.359 debate the motion councilor 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:13.520 Hill yeah thanks may jdb look just 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:15.880 referencing to that this is again a 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:17.600 report that's come back to us on the 01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:20.239 back of community consultation we 01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:22.479 were Consulting with the community over 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.600 a limit of four dogs under a single 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.039 person's care 01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:31.560 control I should say probably 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.159 but the the reason why there's a slight 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:35.640 adjustment to that ultimately the 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.359 community were in support of what what's 01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.640 being proposed there's been a small 01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.000 adjustment to that just listening to 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:45.720 some of the local professional dog 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.960 walkers and also users of those Services 01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:50.920 and that's where we've landed on the 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.359 limit being increased slightly to six so 01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:57.039 I think you know in of the consultation 01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.960 outcomes that what is with us tonight 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:01.239 as a recommendation is fair and 01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.279 reasonable so thank you thank you 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:06.800 councilor 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:09.720 Hill councelor says no further debate 01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.279 required I'll put the item to the 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:17.640 vote thank you all those in 01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.880 favor counselor sa counselor Hill 01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:26.079 counselor Davey Burns 01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:29.239 all those against councelor Oxley 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:31.600 councelor Davies councelor 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:35.119 how councelor Cochran councelor 01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:37.600 Beasley and all those 01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:42.359 abstaining councelor Eden and councelor 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:47.640 H I declare that item lost thank you 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.159 counselors non absent members did we get 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.760 over here Council Cochran was against 01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:55.479 thank you governance 01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:58.079 thank you I declare that item 01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.880 lost and just before we move on to 01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:02.319 our community strengthening reports in 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:04.479 the agenda I will thank our team member 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.079 Marlene Matias for your work and your 01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:08.359 advice and support thank you for 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:11.920 attending tonight item 8.1 is the 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:13.600 Kingston grants program funding 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:15.640 recommendations for round one Community 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:17.880 biannual grants 01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:20.680 20242 01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:23.720 Council thank you Madame mayor just 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:25.720 like to move an amend 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.119 or an alternative motion just if we can 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:30.560 scroll down just to make 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.640 sure yep and just to highlight to 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:34.479 council is that that additional point 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:35.720 that we were discussing upstairs has 01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:37.800 been removed just for clarity so it 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:39.840 reads as 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:42.680 above thank you councelor sa I'll ask 01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:45.560 for a second for the motion councelor 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.800 Davies councelor sa thank you madam 01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.880 mayor look this is this is the final 01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:53.520 step of this whole grants review process 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:55.239 that we've kind of undertaken and it was 01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.399 the significant amount of work that 01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:00.880 Kate Miss Waters and her team have 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.279 undertaken to kind of land a more 01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:07.279 Equitable accessible inclusive Grant 01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:09.680 system I am moving an amendment today 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:11.239 because some of the principles that 01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:14.199 councilors really wanted to uphold 01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.159 as part of this process was that we 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.000 wanted to make that you know to ensure 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:19.880 that there was Equity there was 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:21.039 understanding there was some sort of 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:22.199 oversight that councils could be 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:23.840 involved in that process and I can talk 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:25.600 to each of the separate items and points 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:27.039 and the Motions but I believe other 01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:29.800 councils will probably do so the same 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:31.880 but I do think it's important that we 01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:33.840 have a fair and for me you know the 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.319 values of equity is probably utmost of 01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:40.600 importance that we understand 01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:42.520 contextual information from different 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:43.920 Community groups when they do apply for 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:46.920 these Grant systems I do also like to 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.600 thank the grants committee for 01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:52.640 their recommendation I know we heard 01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:54.840 from one of the members from that P 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:56.520 from that committee the independent 01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:58.439 member one of our residents who was 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:00.800 talking about how fulfilling this 01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.239 exercise was and how challenging it was 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:04.760 really and and as you can see here in 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:06.600 point 3 indicates we do have a $1.8 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:08.880 million allocation to our grant 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:10.760 system and if we were to allocate all of 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.319 the funds for all of the applications 01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:15.319 we would actually exceed that by a good 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:18.279 half a half a a million actually so even 01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.600 more so so it's it's a significant 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:21.840 amount of applications which I think is 01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:23.159 a great problem to have it means our 01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:25.039 community is engaged in the process and 01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:26.279 and we are supporting them but like I 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:28.399 said there is some key principles that 01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:30.760 that councilors want to see in this and 01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.640 that is an understanding to our 01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.439 existing organizations that have had 01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:38.880 a long-standing history with Council 01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:40.319 through these grants process and and 01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:42.439 rely on on it for its funding but to 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:43.720 encourage them and there's an amendment 01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:45.119 here that speaks to to encourage them 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:46.359 that while they might not be successful 01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:48.199 in this stream there is a staged funding 01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:50.239 approach which we are allowing for them 01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:52.880 to be to receive that funding as a 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:55.039 stage approach and then reopening the 01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:56.960 opportunity for them to actually apply 01:13:57.039 --> 01:13:59.039 again in subsequent years and I think 01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:00.520 that's really important CU it means that 01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:01.800 we are being really fair to our 01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:03.319 community who might not be successful in 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:06.199 this opportunity but maybe in the 01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:09.520 future I will talk maybe if we can 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:10.800 scroll down just a little bit I'll talk 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.079 to some of the other elements that I am 01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:15.079 putting forward too which I think clubs 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:17.520 may not be so you know obviously will 01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:19.720 will not be so supportive of but we are 01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:21.199 calling for a couple of the clubs that 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:23.479 were recommended for funding initially 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.000 they were asking for first aid 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:28.359 training in this funding stream as 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.479 well as solar panels on one of council's 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.279 facilities which under the current 01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:34.439 guidelines of of our community grants 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:36.199 that is an acceptable outcome for those 01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:38.000 communities to be able to to get that 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:39.720 funding there however what it does 01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.640 indicate to us and we call for it here 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:43.239 is that there is a need for our 01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:45.000 community groups our sporting clubs 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.439 clubs to have access to a municipal 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:51.239 wide first a training service and I 01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:52.439 think that's really important we do 01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:53.640 something similar with that but that's 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:55.159 what we're calling for so maybe will 01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:56.399 engage with those groups to be able to 01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:58.159 offer that kind of service so that's in 01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:01.680 that first instance in point 7 in point8 01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.439 what we're trying to articulate is 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.479 while they're applying for solar panels 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:10.600 on a community facility it's 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:12.399 essentially a community facility that 01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:13.760 Council owns that we should be applying 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.560 for anyway so that should be referred to 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:19.239 our grants 01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:21.920 stream for our Capital work stream 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:23.520 because it doesn't make sense really for 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:27.359 us to go and get a a grant funding 01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:28.560 for a community facility that we're 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:30.079 going to fund anyway to build it is part 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:31.880 of our regular amount of work that we do 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:33.479 and we do a lot of that Outreach anyway 01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:35.039 to a lot of groups and Community groups 01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:36.760 to ensure that a lot of community assets 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:39.159 Council assets sorry and facilities are 01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:41.600 ESD and do have solar panels where 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:43.600 they can be so that's why we're calling 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:45.600 out those two specific ones but it's 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:47.199 also to ensure that there is equity for 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:48.560 all groups who may not have applied for 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.399 this stream thank you thank you very 01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:54.520 much councelor sa councelor Davies 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:56.079 Reserve 01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:57.520 would any other counselors like to 01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:00.439 debate this motion thank you councelor 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.520 Oxley can I ask a question first up 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:05.520 the 01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:08.399 printed motion amendment that I have 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:10.960 here lists nine points that lists eight 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:12.439 can I ask for clarification on what's 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:14.840 been removed thank you I will ask that 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:18.439 through to miss Waters one 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:26.920 moment thank you 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.000 is 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.479 the 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:36.159 SP would you like me to 01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:42.680 sh CC o might be able to I know y I 01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:44.840 might I've worked it out with the help 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.159 of councelor Davies thank you coun 01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:50.199 Davies that's okay problems I do have 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:53.439 one further question through yourself 01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:55.520 to the relevant officer and that 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:59.199 in terms of the this has to us at CIS or 01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:01.439 this evening have councilors actually 01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.079 viewed and this probably applies for 8.1 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.960 8.2 and 8.3 the actual full 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:11.119 applications for these grants that have 01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.399 been submitted because that's not in my 01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.000 agenda and I'm not sure that I've 01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:17.560 actually seen that thank you Council 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.560 Oxley I'll refer your question through 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:21.920 to miss Waters thank 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.279 you through you may no councilors 01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.439 haven't seen one except just this 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.239 week or last week I think with the 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.600 mayor she quickly glanced at one of 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.680 the applications in another stream but 01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:37.079 no no counselors have reviewed 01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:40.159 applications in their 01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:43.800 entirety thank you I'd like to 01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:46.199 probably speak to that point in 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:48.800 particular and this will be relevant for 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:52.239 8.1 8.2 and 8.3 and I will make the same 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.399 point for all three of those items what 01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:57.760 we have is a process that Council 01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:01.079 enacted after going through Community 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:02.960 consultation a lot of internal 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.279 consultation from my understanding and 01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:07.720 reports that came through from Vargo 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:10.600 reviewing Council grants processes what 01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:13.520 we're doing here now and so that the 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.520 gallery and perhaps members who of the 01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:19.880 community that might be watching at home 01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:22.119 for the three items that we will have 01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:25.359 coming up on grants I have 01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:27.760 this as an amendment this is an 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:29.800 amendment this is an 01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:32.239 amendment and this is an amendment for 01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:33.279 these 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.039 applications what's concerned me is that 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:38.199 all of these that the reason why this 01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:39.680 meeting started late is because we were 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:42.680 working through some of these just this 01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:46.279 evening now the fact that some of these 01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:49.119 applications we're now deciding to 01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:52.199 allocate funding or remove funding 01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.319 against panel recommendations where 01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:55.680 these people people have actually 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.359 reviewed these 01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:59.680 applications counselors have 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:03.600 not so we are essentially making 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:06.439 decisions against panel recommendations 01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:08.000 where they have spent a significant 01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.840 amount of time actually reviewing the 01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:14.000 applications we 01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:16.880 haven't so I don't think that tonight is 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:18.880 the night that we can actually make 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:22.239 these decisions on 8.1 8.2 and 01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:26.399 8.3 when we're suggesting to zero out 01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:30.479 funding in 7 and8 which I don't agree 01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:32.520 with in some of the other ones there's 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.119 amendments being proposed or 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.399 foreshadowed to give funding to 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:40.199 groups that were not approved for 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:41.840 funding or recommended for funding by 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:42.600 the 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:46.760 panel yet we've received a sentence or 01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:50.079 two pricey of what the application was 01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:53.119 about because Council initially decided 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:56.920 that we would send this process to a 01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.239 panel from a governance perspective that 01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:03.000 doesn't sit well with me that doesn't 01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.159 sit well with me that we were sitting 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:08.119 there this evening still working through 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:11.119 these amendments that I have no 01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:12.920 justification as to why some of these 01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:15.439 things have really been removed when I 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:17.039 haven't read the applications because 01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:18.359 they weren't given to us because that 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:20.359 wasn't the process Council decided we'd 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:21.520 go 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:27.079 through so I'm a bit perplexed t as to 01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:29.479 probably more so relevant for 8.2 and 01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:30.439 and 01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.239 8.3 where some of these recommendations 01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:35.760 are coming from when the applications 01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:37.600 haven't even been reviewed by 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:41.159 Council that's my issue to not approving 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:43.560 Grant applications I'm very supportive 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.279 of us giving money to community groups 01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:46.800 to support their 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.279 services but we need to make sure that 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:50.800 when we're giving out significant ss 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:54.600 of money we do so properly and with the 01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:56.560 the right process and I don't think this 01:20:56.640 --> 01:20:58.079 is at this point with the Amendments 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:02.560 being proposed thank you Council 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:10.680 Oxley councelor 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:13.439 Aiden yes thank you Madame mayor and 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.199 you may recall some time ago I did 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:18.680 comment about the role of councils in 01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:21.479 this process and the need for there 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:23.640 to be Community representation 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:25.119 throughout the grant 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.720 processes at the same time I think we 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:30.960 probably need to cast our memory back to 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:33.399 what actually resulted in a lot of these 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:37.560 changes occurring around processes 01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:41.279 and that came about because Vargo had 01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:44.119 done extensive review of council Grant 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:47.079 processes and some of the issues there 01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:49.199 they had examples and reading directly 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:52.000 off the Vargo extract it said these 01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:54.000 were some of the concerns and they had a 01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:55.000 section which 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.039 which stated which means and they 01:21:57.119 --> 01:21:59.199 give some further examples the council 01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:00.960 could be voting to approve funding for a 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:03.239 project that may personally benefit them 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:04.840 there is no transparency on why the 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:07.079 council's approved the application the 01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:08.319 council cannot be sure that the 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:10.520 council's application will benefit 01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:12.920 the community the most there is no 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.039 transparency on why the council chose 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:17.000 the amount they might lack an 01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:18.399 understanding on how to prevent detect 01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:20.439 and respond to fraud 01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:24.720 risks my concern here is as Council 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:27.000 Roxy had pointed out we have an 01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.760 extensive Amendment which varer 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:31.680 actually went into ensuring that there's 01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:34.319 adequate time to review applications as 01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:37.359 well within their docentation their 01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:39.399 finding is that we're now taking a 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:41.279 wrecking ball to the Edith aspendell 01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:43.840 junior football club's Grant application 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:46.640 yet we just heard that the applications 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:50.359 had an Point that's actually in the 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:52.840 recommendation thank you is not a 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:54.560 wrecking ball if that helps clarify no 01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:56.000 it's just not in the recommendation 01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:58.479 councelor Eden councelor Eden that one 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.039 so if I could just finish reading it so 01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.039 I'm just reading off what's here sure 01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:03.760 the Southern football netball club and 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.239 amga Cricket Club receive 0 and the 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:07.880 Parkdale bowling and Social Club 01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:09.359 received 01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:12.039 0 now what is it that's actually 01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:15.239 occurred to get that then what we have 01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:17.840 on the screen and then why are we even 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:20.359 getting to a point of debating removing 01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:22.840 funding at any stage whether it's up on 01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:25.159 the screen or it's over dinner 01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:26.600 when councilors haven't even gone 01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.399 through themselves and been given the 01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:32.520 applications to review is it because a 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.520 counselor has a bias towards a group is 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:37.479 it because a counselor has personal 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.319 business or professional connections or 01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:41.720 because they have assed knowledge 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.960 about who's worthy and who's not because 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:46.359 if you don't have the applications in 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:48.479 front of you you can't fully understand 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:49.840 what these clubs had said they were 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:51.640 going to do with the money you can't 01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:54.000 fully understand what they had pleaded 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.079 before or the council about what should 01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:59.039 and shouldn't be funded and I question 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:00.680 the probity of council is starting to 01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:02.960 meddle in this and as we'll see no doubt 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:05.800 councils want to give money after we 01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:08.760 progressed through later when through 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:10.760 this whole process we had probity 01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:14.039 advisors appointed for the very purpose 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.000 of avoiding potential corruption and 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.279 breaches of the Vargo 01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:20.600 recommendations so why appoint prohib 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:22.399 advisers Auditors and managers of 01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:24.840 governance and risk when coun get to 01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:27.920 this point and just throw around dozens 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.640 of points without even having had the 01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:31.880 applications I think it's sensical 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:33.399 and I don't support this approach to the 01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:35.159 grant streams thank you thank you 01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:36.199 councelor 01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:39.680 Eden councelor 01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.199 Beasley thank you may GB for the 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:44.920 privilege to speak 01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.960 tonight our grants our new grants 01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:49.800 process has been a bit Rocky but that's 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:53.720 what we're trying to to make to get 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.079 better with with the recommendations 01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:59.680 tonight and the E extra things that 01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:01.159 have been added in there that's to 01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:04.680 really ensure that the process going on 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.279 does the important thing of delivering 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:10.399 to achieve Council strategic plan and I 01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:13.560 think that's what we saw was lacking 01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:16.000 when we looked at where the funding had 01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:17.880 gone with those recommendations and 01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:19.359 that's what we're doing and we'd expect 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:22.319 to do that anytime you do a complete 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:24.880 overhaul and it's been an absolute 01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:28.039 complete overhaul of the grant process 01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:30.520 you are going to expect things that 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:33.119 aren't perfect that didn't work and that 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.079 we need to change and really what we're 01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:38.399 trying to do tonight as counselors which 01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:41.520 is our job is to put Community back into 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.279 the grants to make sure they're front 01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:46.680 and center and they're the things that 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:48.720 they're who we're working for that's who 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:50.520 the grants are working for because 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:52.720 they're the ones who are working for the 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:55.680 residents and community of 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.239 Kingston people put in applications and 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:00.560 we saw that some of that waiting when we 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:02.680 spoke to the officers at length during 01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:04.960 the many cis's that we 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:07.600 attended then when we attended those 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.399 cis's and spoke to the officers at 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:14.399 length we noted that with those with 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:17.680 some of those Rec like the waiting 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:20.000 and the Matrix it wasn't weighted the 01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:21.760 way we needed it to be waited which 01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:24.319 needs to be on community for Comm 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:26.319 community and that there needs to be 01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:28.720 processes in place where we go back 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:31.119 which we haven't done to those Community 01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:33.520 groups and go hey we need to help you 01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:34.520 with this 01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:37.000 docentation because they might be 01:26:37.079 --> 01:26:39.159 really good at running an event they 01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:40.960 might be really good at providing a 01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:44.800 service but they may not be as good at 01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.560 providing the docentation but we are 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:49.079 if there's one thing that Council 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:50.560 officers are good at though they're good 01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:52.399 at very a lot of things they are 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:54.800 definitely good at Administration so 01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:56.800 they can provide a bit of support for 01:26:56.880 --> 01:26:58.600 administration and that's what we're 01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:00.840 suggesting here is really bring bring 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:02.680 the community back into the grants 01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:05.880 process to ensure that those very best 01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:10.079 events those very best services are are 01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:12.199 our funds go to where it's needed in 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:14.319 Kingston so that's what this is all 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.000 about thank 01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:20.039 you thank you councilor basley councelor 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.319 Davies thank you I'll just speak 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:26.520 briefly this 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:28.640 process you know as it was noted by 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:30.680 councel Eden and Council Oxley did come 01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:33.239 about because of concerns regarding 01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:35.840 potential counselor corruption not this 01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:38.199 Council but just an overview of you know 01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.319 how are grants actually organized how 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:44.000 are they funded Etc I I do believe 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:46.000 that the Amendments that we've put up 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:49.760 today that Council sa and I don't 01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:51.960 impinge on those concerns in any way if 01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:54.439 you actually look at point two it ables 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:57.640 the applicants to reapply so we're not 01:27:57.720 --> 01:27:59.960 saying they'll get it they can just 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:03.479 reapply and I like councilor oxy I 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.600 think it is extremely important that we 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.399 as counselors actually do receive the 01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:10.720 all of the docentation which is why we 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:13.720 have 6 so we can actually look at this 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:17.079 process and work out can we do it better 01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:20.319 because we have had I think three or 01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:24.159 four cis's where we have looked at these 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.920 grants in a lot of detail we are talking 01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.520 sessions that have gone for over an hour 01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.560 going through particular grants drilling 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:34.720 down as to the information that we are 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:37.239 given asking questions about it getting 01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:39.640 responses back we've had emails 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:42.159 circulating we've had one-on-one 01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:43.840 discussions for those who want to have 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.159 them we've had group discussions group 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:48.960 emails and what we realize is that we 01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:51.479 need to relook at this process so we do 01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:54.199 get all of the information and it's not 01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:57.319 over such a long you know different 01:28:57.399 --> 01:28:59.439 different cis's and then followups and 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.239 then more information so I think that 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:04.800 these amendments are actually crucial to 01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:07.039 going to how we're going to deal with 01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:09.640 this going forward as was pointed out by 01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:11.479 councilor Beasley this is the first time 01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:13.560 we have Incorporated this 01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:15.720 process and like anything that happens 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.000 the first time it needs some 01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:20.000 improvements and some tinkering we've 01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:24.079 lived it now for the past I don't know 01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:27.119 six weeks or something and we need these 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:30.880 amendments so I do believe that these 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.720 amendments will improve the process I 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:35.880 don't believe they expose us as 01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:40.199 counselors to claims of corruption we 01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:43.359 all know our obligations to declare a 01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:46.319 conflict of interest and we've already 01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:47.840 aware that some councils tonight will be 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.880 doing that so there's an independent 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:52.399 panel that's part of the process and we 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:53.720 also need to be part of the process 01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:55.199 because because we're the ones that are 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:57.960 approving it at the final door in the 01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:01.520 council meeting so thank you thank you 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:02.680 councilor 01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:04.720 Davies councelor 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:07.039 Eden yes thank you if I may a 01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:09.319 question through you Madame mayor and 01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:10.920 that is just to the relevant officer 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.039 again just for points seven and eight 01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:16.239 had those applications in their entirety 01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:17.920 been circulated to all 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.000 counselors thank you councelor Eden I'll 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:22.560 ask Miss Waters to respond through the 01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:24.720 May no they haven't 01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:25.479 thank 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:27.920 you if I could just have a follow-up 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:30.560 question and that is to just confirm 01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:32.680 so if this amendment as we've got on the 01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:34.880 screen passes 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:37.359 tonight the those groups would not 01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:40.680 receive funding under this grant stream 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:42.520 currently even though the 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:44.199 applications hadn't been reviewed by the 01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:46.720 council is that correct thank you 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:48.760 Council Eden I'll ask Miss Waters to 01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:51.640 respond y through the mayor that is that 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:54.039 is correct the Park bowling and social 01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:55.920 Club however would be funded through the 01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:57.960 capital works 01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:01.800 program8 on the on the screen and 01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:04.319 the the netball club and the Cricket 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:07.000 Club we would offer first aid 01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:09.359 training through through an annual 01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:11.680 annual program but no their application 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:15.199 wouldn't be thank you Miss Waters 01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:19.039 councilor Sab thank you Madame mayor and 01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:20.880 and just briefly I I do thank councilors 01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:22.720 for the debate and discussion and their 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:24.680 feedback on this amendment and thank 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.039 councelor Davies for seconding it and 01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:28.560 looking forward to councelor ID 01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:30.000 councelor obiously supporting this as it 01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:31.479 does call for a review which is what 01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:32.840 they've highlighted so I think that's 01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:34.239 really fantastic that we''re kind of all 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:36.159 on board with the idea of needing to 01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:37.600 review this process so that we get the 01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:39.000 right principles I think that's really 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:41.399 important and just again to specify and 01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:43.800 thank Miss waters for that clarification 01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:46.000 which is really important that point 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:47.520 s again while we're not recommending 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:48.840 funding in this instance for the 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:50.479 Southern football netball League or the 01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:52.199 Amiga Cricket Club which does sit in my 01:31:52.279 --> 01:31:54.399 ward we actually are referring to our 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:56.520 annual service of first aid training and 01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:58.439 we recognize if clubs and that's why we 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:00.199 put this in here if clubs are applying 01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:01.279 through our grant stream because they 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:02.720 want to do that training maybe they're 01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:04.199 not aware of the fact that we run these 01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:05.560 services or there is a service that is 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.079 available to them available to them so 01:32:07.159 --> 01:32:08.239 that means we do need to go out to all 01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:09.920 of our community groups and clubs and 01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:11.159 and let them know about that annual 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:13.319 training program which I think is a 01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:14.479 really important thing it's a good 01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:16.479 lesson that Council learns here and then 01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:18.720 secondly the Parkdale bowling and 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.239 social club like I said they it's it's a 01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:22.720 fantastic program that they're applying 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:24.520 for and it's good that they want to 01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:26.319 go down the route of installing solar 01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:28.760 panels but you know it's not fair for 01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:30.640 Community groups like this that tenant a 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:32.640 particular site that Council owns that 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:34.399 we are taking out money from a grant 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:35.800 stream to then go and fund a project 01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:37.279 that we would need to do anyway so 01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:38.439 that's why it's being referred to our 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:40.279 Capital Works program our community 01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:42.479 facilities are going down that route we 01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:44.920 do need to ensure that sustainable 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:47.359 and strategic sustainable design 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:48.840 practices are in place and that's why 01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:50.439 we're doing that so I just wanted to 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:52.079 highlight that these groups these groups 01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:53.479 are not going to be missing out in this 01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:54.359 inance 01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:56.640 but what it does is it allows the equity 01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:58.840 for other groups other applicants who 01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:00.800 have applied through this grant process 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:02.840 to get that funding that it was a 01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:04.520 competitive stream which is why I made 01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:05.600 that point before it's a very 01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:08.359 competitive stream so we're not taking 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:11.279 from one p pocket and putting it into 01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:12.880 another we're allowing that group to be 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:14.439 able to continue to operate and we're 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:15.920 allowing other groups who were not so 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:17.640 fortunate to be able to get funding and 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:19.199 that's what we're doing and I'm so 01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:20.359 grateful actually for this debate 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:21.720 because it does reiterate that the 01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:22.760 principles that we're trying to 01:33:22.840 --> 01:33:25.159 accomplish in our our grants review is 01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:27.079 underpinned through these amendments 01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:30.279 thank you thank you councilor Sab any 01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:34.039 other councilors wishing to debate the 01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:37.159 motion that was a close thank you 01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:39.720 councilor 01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:42.239 sa well I have just checked thank you 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:44.399 Council Oxley and you have had your 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:46.520 allocated speaking time so I will now 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.039 put the item to the vote and ask all 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:51.760 those in 01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:54.520 favor thank you so we have councelor 01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:56.840 Davies councelor Hill councelor Hal 01:33:56.920 --> 01:33:59.680 councelor h councelor basley councelor 01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:02.720 Sab and the mayor and Council Cochran 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.560 online thank you all those 01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:08.600 against all those abstaining thank you 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:10.600 councelor Eden and Council Oxley I 01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:14.279 declare that item carried item 8.2 is 01:34:14.359 --> 01:34:16.199 the Kingston grants program funding 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:18.560 recom recommendations for operational 01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:22.640 and partnership grants 2024 to 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.960 2027 councilors do we have a motion 01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:28.560 thank you councelor Bley like to move 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:30.439 the recommendation on the screen and 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:32.600 second by counselor Davies thank you 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:35.039 councilor 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:38.119 Bley thank you I think we've talked 01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:41.399 quite a lot about the grants process 01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:44.520 in this case I just wanted to make 01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:48.520 reference to Long Beach Pantry 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:51.920 5000 that really they they're a 01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:53.960 standout in terms of the service that 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.840 they provide and they do provide to 60 01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:02.520 of their service 67% of those 01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:05.359 people are patrons or residents of 01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:09.399 the city of Kingston and they so 01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:12.000 their funding stream is probably sitting 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:15.760 at about that 37,000 basically 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:17.520 represents that many residents of the 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:19.000 city of Kingston in terms of their 01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:23.119 percentage wise they they basically 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:25.159 it's it's an amazing service the 01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:27.640 people that provide this actually 01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:29.680 work 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:32.000 full-time for free like it's a 01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:34.680 volunteer positions that they hold 01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:36.319 but you know collecting the food from 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:38.079 food bank and other places and putting 01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:40.800 it all together then separating it on 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:44.000 the Tuesday and handing it out to those 01:35:44.079 --> 01:35:46.720 families in need on the Wednesday but 01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:48.640 it really is a full-time job and it's an 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:51.199 amazing to see and for anybody 01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:53.840 residents or counselors alike who like 01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:57.319 to visit I'm sure we can to you know 01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:59.039 to be a guest down there it would be 01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:00.840 wonderful to see you down there there's 01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:02.920 certainly a lot of need that they 01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:05.239 have so this is just providing the food 01:36:05.319 --> 01:36:07.039 all the service the building everything 01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:11.399 else is provided through other 01:36:11.479 --> 01:36:13.760 communities such as The Long Beach 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:16.600 Parish to provide that there's also 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.560 other groups like food bank Etc who are 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:20.560 also supporting them so there's plenty 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:22.239 of other support but this is an 01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:24.920 essential service as are so many of 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:27.520 the other programs that we have in the 01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:30.840 in the partnership grants so and 01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:33.560 it's really important that we we do our 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:36.479 bit and this is a a small bit I know 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:39.640 during the lockdown a lot of 01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:41.640 counselors Council officers were 01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:44.279 actually helping at at Pantry 5000 01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:46.399 because whatever they were doing in 01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:50.119 terms of their office it was you know 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:51.479 that that service wasn't being offered 01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:53.520 but they could offer this one so it was 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:55.399 really valuable what they've that 01:36:55.479 --> 01:36:57.199 this service is and it's a long 01:36:57.279 --> 01:37:00.319 long-term part of the city of Kingston 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:01.880 and it's just an opportunity for me 01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:03.319 to say thank you for anyone who's 01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:07.239 involved in this wonderful program 01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:10.520 that supports so many families in need 01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:13.239 so all all of the grants in this 01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:17.159 particular program are are 01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:20.560 given out to really really important 01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:22.920 parts of our Kingston Community who 01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:24.640 offer such amazing services for the 01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:27.000 Kingston Community so while I've 01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:28.960 highlighted them tonight there are so 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:31.840 many others who who are very worthy 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:33.479 of these grants and I know they'll do a 01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:36.319 wonderful job with every dollar that 01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:37.960 they're given through the grants program 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:40.239 thank you thank you councelor Beasley 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:42.239 councelor Davies 01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:44.479 Reserve any other councilors wishing to 01:37:44.560 --> 01:37:48.159 debate this motion thank you councelor 01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:52.159 how thank you and I'd have to say this 01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:53.960 panel got it 01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:56.479 wrong and it's great to have Council 01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.720 Bley stand up tonight and get it right 01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:02.239 because in the midst of a cost of living 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:05.079 crisis to be cutting funding from a food 01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:08.479 bank service being Pantry 5,000 does 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:10.760 bring into question 01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:13.800 hanity and what had been proposed was 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:14.840 a 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:17.039 67% reduction in the 01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:20.159 funding and we just seen a few weeks ago 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:22.800 Harold Zan talk about the new face of 01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:24.800 hunger 01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:27.720 and the new face of hunger is people you 01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:30.399 don't expect because the middle class 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.800 has being hit bloody hard very hard at 01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:34.800 the 01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:37.760 moment at all government 01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:41.920 levels so for me I think this is the 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:44.399 right decision we've got 45 volunteers 01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:46.840 that have exhausted every other outlet 01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:48.800 and it's very costly for the council to 01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:52.560 go and replicate a very essential 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:53.840 service that we do do need in a 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:57.199 community that is highly used and that 01:38:57.279 --> 01:38:59.920 need is growing and we need to be at 01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:02.640 least maintaining the funding if not 01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:05.319 increasing it but what has proposed 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:09.399 tonight does look at a better outcome 01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:13.479 than what had been put before us so we I 01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.920 in my mind we should be supporting this 01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:20.279 outcome thank you thank you councilor 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:22.359 Hal are there any other councilors 01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:25.359 wishing to debate this MO 01:39:26.039 --> 01:39:27.600 councilor 01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.600 sa thank you madam mayor just a couple 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:32.199 of points and I'll just flag or 01:39:32.279 --> 01:39:34.520 foreshadow from now that I'd like us to 01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:36.640 vote in parts for this item but 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:38.640 specifically just the amended or the 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:41.000 highlighted yellow section in parts and 01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:42.600 the rest of it can be collectively 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:44.119 together including the additional Point 01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:46.840 s i note your request to vote in parts 01:39:46.920 --> 01:39:49.000 thank you look just to talk 01:39:49.079 --> 01:39:50.880 specifically about that particular item 01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:52.479 the pantry 5000 and I just think it's 01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:54.000 important to share a of history as to 01:39:54.079 --> 01:39:55.960 where we've gotten to with this because 01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:58.800 like I said what really what I value 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:01.079 of the utmost is equity for all of our 01:40:01.159 --> 01:40:02.840 community groups and we've got a whole 01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:04.439 range of different community services 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:06.359 that go and support our struggling 01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:07.600 members of the community we've got make 01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:09.079 a difference for dingley Village we've 01:40:09.159 --> 01:40:11.319 got pets for the homeless we've 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:12.520 got so many different groups that 01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:14.319 actually do such an amazing charitable 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:17.199 work throughout our city what's happened 01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:19.279 here and why and I feel like it's a bit 01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:20.880 disingenuous to kind of talk about the 01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:25.000 67% a change in funding because what 01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:26.439 we're actually proposing if this was to 01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:27.840 get approved without that point is they 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:29.199 would actually still get the same level 01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:30.720 of funding in the first year because 01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:32.359 we're staging our funding so they would 01:40:32.439 --> 01:40:35.159 get 37,000 in the first year then 31,000 01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:37.399 then 25,000 which is actually in line 01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:38.840 with all of those other groups and 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:39.920 that's what I'm talking about it's all 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:41.560 about equity and ensuring that all of 01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:43.399 our community groups services that do 01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:45.279 this amazing work can continue to still 01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:46.920 do that and because we're staging it 01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:48.119 we're allowing them to continue to be 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:50.800 able to make those calculations in 01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:53.279 the way that they operate now the 01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:54.800 history like I mentioned is really 01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:57.720 important because some Community or some 01:40:57.800 --> 01:40:59.520 councilors like to favor their their 01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:01.479 Community groups in their Ward that's I 01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:02.960 mean that's their prerogative and they 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:04.479 can do that and that's totally fine and 01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:05.920 a lot of us are supposed to represent 01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:07.840 the community groups in our Ward but 01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:09.359 when we talk about and Council Oley 01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:11.119 mentioned it so eloquently before about 01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:13.560 due diligence due diligence what we did 01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:14.800 and I voted against it when we did it 01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:16.640 initially but in our in our budget 01:41:16.720 --> 01:41:20.279 process in 2021 2022 out of nowhere oh 01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:22.520 sorry initially it was a notice a motion 01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:25.000 we said we would fund an extra $10,000 01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:27.000 to Pantry 5,000 so they would receive 01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:28.640 $25,000 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:31.039 $178 that's fine that that's fine we 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:32.760 approve that funding there was no due 01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:34.319 diligence that was just a community a 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:35.760 counselor representing the community 01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:37.960 group with no due diligence no 01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:38.960 understanding of all the other community 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:41.079 groups no favoritism it was just no 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:42.199 favoritism you know that's what we're 01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:44.199 talking to then the following year in 01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:47.000 2022 2023 when we adopted our budget 01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:48.520 again a council wanted to include an 01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:50.439 additional $10,000 funding so it went to 01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:53.640 3,00 $36,250 01:41:53.720 --> 01:41:55.000 I mean if we were going to do that for 01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:56.399 all of our budget process and we were 01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:57.279 going to do that for all of the 01:41:57.359 --> 01:41:58.920 different Community groups there is no 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:00.640 stopping to that like it just continues 01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:03.279 to go what we do follow is due diligence 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:05.680 there was a panel recommendation an 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:07.640 independent panel that saw that there 01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:09.319 needs to be some sort of Level Playing 01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:10.760 Field when we look at these groups the 01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:12.159 level of service that they provide to 01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:14.439 the community is important and that's 01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:16.880 why that funding was recommended and it 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:18.920 was also acknowledging that there might 01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:20.680 there may have been a specific need for 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:22.520 it in that time which is why it was 01:42:22.600 --> 01:42:25.159 approved by all of the council's but 01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:27.199 subsequent to that there is no due 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:28.239 diligence in the way that we were 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:29.560 looking at this it was just funded for 01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:30.640 the sake of funding it because a 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:32.520 particular counselor had a relationship 01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:34.239 with this group that's where it falls 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:35.880 apart someone talked about issues 01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:38.560 someone talked about this I mean that's 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:40.159 that if you want to be totally 01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:42.319 reasonable and transparent that's where 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:44.520 we need to be I think the panel made the 01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:46.359 right decision I think they have tried 01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:47.600 to make the right decisions and they 01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:49.359 operated underneath the policy 01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:51.119 guidelines that we set out that all 01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:53.640 council is present adopted and voted for 01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:54.800 and that's why we were also calling for 01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:56.520 a review because we noticed it didn't 01:42:56.600 --> 01:42:59.079 totally align thank you thank you 01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:01.600 councelor s councelor 01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:04.479 Eden yes thank you Madame mayor and I 01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:06.479 think we really do need to look at a 01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:08.199 hierarchy of needs and I think this has 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:09.760 been looked at before because it's not 01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:12.640 about as has been discussed all groups 01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:14.399 getting money just because someone's 01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:16.000 there and they're one of a hundred not 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:18.119 everyone is deserving of that funding 01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:21.720 from rate payers funds but we have as a 01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:24.159 council looked looked at hierarchy of 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.159 needs before I remember in the last term 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:28.079 we looked at actually saying is that 01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:30.680 service an essential service to our 01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:33.520 community someone getting a grant to run 01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:36.039 around with streamers at a festivals 01:43:36.119 --> 01:43:39.199 probably not as in need as a group 01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:41.000 that's trying to feed people who are 01:43:41.079 --> 01:43:43.039 struggling and to really look at that 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:46.279 and I think that needs to be the driver 01:43:46.359 --> 01:43:49.760 for the council we've heard a lot as 01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:51.920 well about favoritism and I think that 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:54.159 is a serious issue I think that is an 01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:57.199 issue that should be addressed and I 01:43:57.279 --> 01:43:59.800 think the community deserve to ensure 01:43:59.880 --> 01:44:01.760 that that matter is addressed because 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:03.159 that's not something you want to see in 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:05.399 a council you want to see 01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:07.319 impartiality you want to see 01:44:07.399 --> 01:44:09.560 Independence you want to see the same 01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:11.319 people on these Grant panels who were 01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:13.520 subjected to a very high bar based on 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:17.039 the officer reports having faith that 01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:20.079 the changes that are occurring tonight 01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:22.520 are in fact being done at the same 01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:24.800 standard if not higher to what they had 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.399 been held to because the officers and 01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:29.239 the members on that Grant panel have put 01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:32.159 in a lot of time and a lot of effort in 01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:33.600 their 01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:36.880 recommendations if Council got the 01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:40.199 framework wrong when it was assigned 01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:41.479 that is one 01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:44.720 issue the other issue I think comes in 01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:47.720 when people start looking at who 01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:50.319 knows who and what connections they have 01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:52.159 that may be of a personal benefit if 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:54.560 that is what's going on but I do think 01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:56.319 the points Council sub raise are very 01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:58.680 valid and I would Madame mayor like 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:00.960 to just move an 01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:03.239 amendment if I could just get that up 01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:04.840 on the screen and I'll read that out so 01:45:04.920 --> 01:45:07.840 we could get that one 01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:14.800 up and this is a an amendment that has 01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:16.640 come up through debate so I didn't have 01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:19.399 it pre-drafted so please bear with me 01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:21.640 as I just read through that and that 01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:23.720 would be that 01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:27.279 Council upon all Grant 01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:30.800 reports are being debated 01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:35.039 tonight have the audit 01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:39.119 committee review the process that has 01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:41.840 been followed by 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.640 counselors along with submitting the 01:45:44.720 --> 01:45:46.840 attached matters to 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:48.960 Vargo and the local government 01:45:49.039 --> 01:45:53.199 inspectorate for their comment 01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:55.159 thank you councelor Eden I'll check in 01:45:55.239 --> 01:45:57.079 with the m and the seconder if they're 01:45:57.159 --> 01:45:59.399 willing to accept the 01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:02.680 amendment thank 01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:05.680 you I'll just take a moment for 01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:08.920 deliberations thank 01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:22.800 you councilors have we thank you coun 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:25.199 counc Davies for your position councelor 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:27.119 Bley thank you councelor Eden 01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:28.680 unfortunately the mve in the second have 01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:30.239 not accepted the amendment so we'll 01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:32.119 require someone to 01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:34.199 Second the amendment and that will be 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:37.479 Council Oxley thank 01:46:38.119 --> 01:46:40.239 you yes thank you Madame mayor and 01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:41.960 thank you Council roley for seconding 01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:44.520 that it's a shame that that couldn't 01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:46.600 have been done I think attaching these 01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:49.399 three reports and the minutes from 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:50.840 tonight's meeting and sending that to 01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:52.319 our audit committee to look at how we 01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:54.600 can make sure that Council sab's 01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:56.319 concerns the coun the concerns from 01:46:56.399 --> 01:46:59.079 Council Oxley before and mine could 01:46:59.159 --> 01:47:01.159 potentially be addressed and that of the 01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:03.640 Community as well I think is a 01:47:03.720 --> 01:47:05.720 real shame because we rely on our audit 01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:07.760 committee to really lift the bar here at 01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:10.720 the city of Kingston and what I am 01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:12.680 concerned about are some of these 01:47:12.760 --> 01:47:15.000 amendments that we have here tonight 01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:17.520 that have facted into reports 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:20.359 number one number two and no doubt 01:47:20.439 --> 01:47:23.439 number three as well later tonight 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.319 I did hear some comments about 01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.399 referring to channel 9 and other groups 01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:29.880 as well as these entities I think it's 01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:32.159 really important that we acknowledge 01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:34.399 that these groups like Vargo and the 01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:36.279 inspectorate they're not a little joke 01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:37.640 they're not a group to laugh at they 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:40.119 actually play a really serious role 01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:41.760 and they have papers that often come out 01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:43.960 on fraud control they look at councils 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:45.600 they look at improvements they make 01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:47.840 suggestions and in the worst cases 01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:50.560 they sometimes look at situations where 01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:53.199 a counselor might use their role as a 01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:55.239 counselor to further their own 01:47:55.319 --> 01:47:58.039 position or that of other organizations 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:00.840 businesses or Community groups so it 01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:02.880 is a shame that it will take Council 01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:04.800 as individually or community members to 01:48:04.880 --> 01:48:07.399 refer such matters across to those 01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:09.720 organizations rather than Council 01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:11.960 really leading at the front of 01:48:12.039 --> 01:48:14.520 transparency but it is something that 01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:17.199 I'm not surprised by so I would 01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:19.039 recommend to councilors that this is an 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:21.520 amendment worth supporting because I can 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:23.239 say wholeheartedly 01:48:23.319 --> 01:48:25.840 Pantry and the work that they do and 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:27.640 the work that Council Beasley referred 01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.479 to and councelor how they're just a 01:48:29.560 --> 01:48:33.760 decent group helping people in need 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:35.000 and if counselors think there's 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:37.600 something else going on then I think 01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:40.159 that is a concern because they're decent 01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:41.800 in my view honorable people who have 01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:43.640 worked very very hard for a very long 01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:46.600 period of time to help their Community 01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:49.199 but it is also owed to the community 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:51.640 particularly if those suggestions are 01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:54.479 made through out of night that we do 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:56.119 investigate them and we do look at them 01:48:56.199 --> 01:48:57.520 if you see a counselor walking out with 01:48:57.600 --> 01:48:59.800 a big bag of money and it's spewing open 01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:01.520 you know it might be cbon on a colleague 01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:04.159 to refer it to aen I might just ask you 01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:06.399 to just mind your comments there please 01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:08.279 if you wouldn't mind thank you I'm not 01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:10.159 allowed to continue speaking for my time 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:11.680 absolutely are but if you just mind 01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:13.319 those comments about bags of cash I 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:15.359 don't think an appropriate comment justy 01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:16.960 I wasn't saying councils where I saying 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:19.319 if you know and likewise if councils are 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:21.640 making assertions that there's improper 01:49:21.720 --> 01:49:23.359 conduct around grants I think that needs 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:25.039 to be looked at I think Council needs to 01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:28.119 lead the way on that and I think in the 01:49:28.199 --> 01:49:30.159 amendment probably not being supported 01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:32.279 here tonight I will asse by the 01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:34.760 move in second to not accepting it I 01:49:34.840 --> 01:49:36.199 think that is quite concerning but I 01:49:36.279 --> 01:49:38.840 think that will probably you know be 01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:40.640 an issued to address and I'll foreshadow 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:42.319 that I may move the amendment on the 01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:43.800 next item again if there's further 01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:45.800 debate required thank thank you very 01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:48.840 much councilor Eden Council 01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:51.840 Oxley thank you I think when concerns 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:54.439 like this are raised around this table 01:49:54.520 --> 01:49:57.039 for us as a council to recognize that 01:49:57.119 --> 01:49:58.600 various councilors have now raised those 01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:01.319 concerns in two different items and I 01:50:01.399 --> 01:50:03.000 just want to clarify that by no means am 01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:04.720 I suggesting that this in any way 01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:08.119 relates to Pantry 5000 Pantry 5000 do 01:50:08.199 --> 01:50:10.520 fantastic work in our community and 01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:14.199 absolutely 100% deserve council's 01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:17.000 support however Council may choose to do 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:19.159 that be that through grants programs or 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:20.399 be that through the other ways that 01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:22.159 Council has been able to support Pantry 01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:23.399 500 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:25.680 in the volunteer work that they do in 01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:27.279 our community that I'm sure we're all 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:30.000 aware of but when we're talking about 01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:31.960 concerns being raised amendments being 01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:34.880 raised when councilors haven't even seen 01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:38.760 the applications this evening on three 01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:41.159 different reports that is allocating a 01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:43.720 significant s of money where we see in 01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:44.520 other 01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:47.680 councils you you took issue with one of 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:50.439 the the comments Council Eden made 01:50:50.520 --> 01:50:53.520 before about bags of money we've seen 01:50:53.600 --> 01:50:56.399 reports from other councils where 01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:58.880 perhaps not bags of money but money has 01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:01.319 been taken by counselors in terms of 01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:05.279 Grants it it is a significant issue an 01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:07.680 area of potential corruption in local 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:10.399 government and it is something that we 01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:12.119 as a council when we first voted on 01:51:12.199 --> 01:51:15.399 these Grant guidelines took very very 01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:18.039 seriously it is something I take very 01:51:18.119 --> 01:51:22.680 very seriously now and I am concerned 01:51:22.760 --> 01:51:24.560 given the comments that we've had this 01:51:24.640 --> 01:51:26.159 evening and the confirmation that 01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:28.199 councilors have not received these Grant 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:30.319 submissions we have not received these 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:34.399 applications for counselors to review 01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:37.000 ourselves which there was nothing wrong 01:51:37.079 --> 01:51:39.479 with that in the process but now that we 01:51:39.560 --> 01:51:42.079 have amendments coming last minute that 01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:44.239 were still being decided on before the 01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:47.119 council meeting just over 01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:51.279 dinner I question the process would 01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:53.279 question whether we should deferred all 01:51:53.359 --> 01:51:55.399 three of these items this evening so 01:51:55.479 --> 01:51:57.920 that we could review that process to 01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.239 ensure that we can stand by our 01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:02.680 processes or if we are going to go down 01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:04.439 this path and council is going to vote 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:06.800 to support refuse or do anything that is 01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:09.840 required in these three votes this 01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:14.199 evening that Council confirm and get 01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:15.920 comment that when we have to go through 01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:18.439 this process again what is it that we 01:52:18.520 --> 01:52:21.039 can do differently to make sure we don't 01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:23.399 end up in this mess 01:52:23.479 --> 01:52:25.760 because right now with all of the 01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:27.279 Amendments I have sitting in front of me 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:30.640 on this table that some of them are dual 01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:33.359 page I don't think the process we've 01:52:33.439 --> 01:52:35.680 followed is as good as we'd probably 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:38.640 like it to be and there's nothing wrong 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:41.119 with us saying that and going back to 01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:44.079 the drawing board and before we make a 01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:46.319 decision to make sure we are happy with 01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:50.239 the process because right now I'm not I 01:52:50.319 --> 01:52:51.399 would like vgo I would like the 01:52:51.479 --> 01:52:52.920 inspectorate and any other AG that would 01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:54.159 like to get involved and make sure we're 01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:55.520 doing everything 01:52:55.600 --> 01:52:57.960 right I'd like them to actually review 01:52:58.039 --> 01:53:02.119 this process because I am very very 01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:04.560 concerned thank you Council 01:53:04.640 --> 01:53:06.840 Oxley any other councilors wishing to 01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:08.680 debate the 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:11.600 amendment councelor 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:14.279 Davies yes just just to be clear to 01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:16.720 councelor ID and councelor Oxley as to 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:19.560 why I wasn't in favor of this amendment 01:53:19.640 --> 01:53:22.880 this would require that all Grant 01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:26.239 reports that is every single Grant 01:53:26.319 --> 01:53:29.600 application is to be sent to Vargo 01:53:29.680 --> 01:53:33.159 presably where we have no evidence 01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:36.319 that there is any corruption going on 01:53:36.399 --> 01:53:38.840 where we have a new process where 01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:40.479 unfortunately I don't I don't believe 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.720 and I stand to be corrected that councel 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:44.600 Eden and councel oxy were actually at 01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:46.600 the councelor information sessions where 01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:49.039 we did attend those where we looked I 01:53:49.119 --> 01:53:50.680 think three times at three different 01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:53.640 meetings we discussed the grants and 01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:55.520 what I will talk to in the next item is 01:53:55.600 --> 01:53:57.960 the fact that I'll wait for the next 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:02.960 item but we actually had quite detailed 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:05.800 discussions in-depth discussions and we 01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:07.680 had members of the panel there as well 01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:09.640 so we actually had an opportunity to 01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:12.199 speak to some of the panel members to 01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:15.039 talk about the process and some of the 01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:17.640 reasoning behind some of the decisions 01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:19.840 and we come back to the point on the 01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:21.479 previous motion we're actually going to 01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:25.079 review this process now so I do 01:54:25.159 --> 01:54:28.520 believe we are we have good 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:31.239 governance here happening of course if 01:54:31.319 --> 01:54:33.880 somebody believes that a counselor in 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:37.800 this room has engaged in corruption then 01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:40.439 they can make a report about them and 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:42.319 they can be investigated if there is the 01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:46.640 evidence but I'm not aware of any 01:54:46.720 --> 01:54:50.000 corruption and we have indicated we're 01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:53.079 in a new process we spent a significant 01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:55.560 amount of time we have been given lots 01:54:55.640 --> 01:54:58.119 of information about these reports and 01:54:58.199 --> 01:55:00.800 we drill down into the reports and we 01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:02.239 drilled down into the 01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:05.800 waiting so and now we're making some 01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:07.239 sort of aspersion that we've engaged in 01:55:07.319 --> 01:55:10.359 some sort of corruptive process I I 01:55:10.439 --> 01:55:12.000 actually refute that and that's the 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:14.279 reason behind why I did not agree to 01:55:14.359 --> 01:55:15.720 that 01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:17.640 Amendment and if we can put it to the 01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:20.439 vote thanks so Council DAV is you're 01:55:20.520 --> 01:55:21.920 moving procedural motion to put to the 01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:22.840 vote 01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:25.840 thank you all those in 01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:32.680 favor sorry just one 01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:35.640 moment 01:55:35.720 --> 01:55:37.640 okay would you like me to hold off on 01:55:37.720 --> 01:55:40.479 calling the vote Yes okay sorry I've 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:43.199 just been asked to 01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:47.039 hold am I okay to proceed fantastic I 01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:49.520 will repr proceed with the call for the 01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:51.359 item to be put to the vote all those in 01:55:51.439 --> 01:55:54.239 favor 01:55:55.239 --> 01:55:57.720 the motion be 01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:00.319 put councelor Davies councelor Hill 01:56:00.399 --> 01:56:02.439 councelor how councelor H councelor 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:06.000 basley councelor Sab and 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:09.319 myself all those against I'm sorry 01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:10.880 councelor Cochran I did see you there 01:56:10.960 --> 01:56:12.159 councelor 01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:14.840 Eden and councel 01:56:14.920 --> 01:56:17.960 Oxley thank you I declare that the 01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:20.039 procedur motion to put this item this 01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:22.560 amendment to the vote has been carried 01:56:22.640 --> 01:56:24.079 councilors will now put the amendment to 01:56:24.159 --> 01:56:25.560 the vote all those in 01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:28.960 favor of the 01:56:29.039 --> 01:56:31.199 amendment thank you councelor Oxley 01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:34.479 councelor Eden all those 01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:36.840 against thank you all those against 01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:38.640 councelor Davies councelor basley 01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:41.000 councelor Sab councelor H just checking 01:56:41.079 --> 01:56:43.000 yeah and all those 01:56:43.079 --> 01:56:45.760 abstaining councelor Hill councelor how 01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:48.479 councelor Cochran and the mayor I 01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:50.680 declare that Amendment lost thank you 01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:53.000 counselors 01:56:53.079 --> 01:56:56.479 so returning to the motion as it appears 01:56:56.560 --> 01:56:59.279 we've had the Mover and the seconder the 01:56:59.359 --> 01:57:01.960 Mover has spoken councelor Eden 01:57:02.039 --> 01:57:03.720 councelor how and councelor sa have 01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:07.880 spoken any other councilors wishing to 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:12.520 speak no no further debate required 01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:14.720 counselors 01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:17.199 if that's if there's no further 01:57:17.279 --> 01:57:20.000 comments or close required counselors 01:57:20.079 --> 01:57:24.479 like to close thank you counc 01:57:25.319 --> 01:57:28.439 pezley thank you mayor jdb thank you for 01:57:28.520 --> 01:57:30.640 the opportunity to speak tonight and to 01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:33.960 close I I really do appreciate 01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:36.560 everyone's comments on this I I don't I 01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:39.359 wasn't appreciative of the tone I think 01:57:39.439 --> 01:57:41.840 this Council has really worked well 01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:44.760 together over four years that I'm 01:57:44.840 --> 01:57:46.840 seeing really good processes in place 01:57:46.920 --> 01:57:50.119 what we're talking about here is a 01:57:50.199 --> 01:57:52.800 very new grants 01:57:52.880 --> 01:57:55.840 a a very new grants process and we have 01:57:55.920 --> 01:57:59.319 noted some holes in that framework we we 01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:01.359 are doing our best to put the community 01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:05.800 first and that's why when the 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:10.079 grants process came through and the the 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:12.520 Pantry 5000 wasn't funded as we 01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:14.520 thought we do have a problem and there's 01:58:14.600 --> 01:58:16.479 probably a good one to put back through 01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:18.359 to ensure that groups like that have a 01:58:18.439 --> 01:58:20.119 look at it in terms of the framework and 01:58:20.199 --> 01:58:22.920 go this is a group that that works you 01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:27.199 know 40 hours a week to feed those 01:58:27.279 --> 01:58:30.439 residents in need around Kingston so 01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:32.039 maybe we're not asking the right 01:58:32.119 --> 01:58:33.800 questions when we when when they're 01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:35.359 coming through for with their 01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:37.640 applications there things we're missing 01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:39.640 because it's not comparing Apples to 01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:42.239 Apples maybe we need to do a bit more of 01:58:42.319 --> 01:58:44.159 getting that panel to go out and visit 01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:46.119 these places and really understand what 01:58:46.199 --> 01:58:48.479 Kingston's about not just understand the 01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:51.399 framework and know how to tick boxes and 01:58:51.479 --> 01:58:54.039 and and investigate it that way but 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:57.439 to really investigate the heart of of 01:58:57.520 --> 01:59:00.039 why we give money to these groups and we 01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:01.920 don't do it ourselves why we give the 01:59:02.000 --> 01:59:04.640 money to these groups and that is what 01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:06.359 really is crucial tonight and I'd really 01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:09.119 like to elevate the debate back to that 01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:11.199 that grants are an amazing part of what 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:13.640 Kingston does so if everyone can keep 01:59:13.720 --> 01:59:15.760 that in mind tonight that these grants 01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:17.720 are going to some really really 01:59:17.800 --> 01:59:20.520 important Community groups thank you 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:23.039 thank you councelor Bley I'll just refer 01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:26.159 back to council sa's request to put this 01:59:26.239 --> 01:59:29.079 in Parts Council sa I understand 01:59:29.159 --> 01:59:31.159 you're wishing to put the amendment 01:59:31.239 --> 01:59:33.000 separate to the remainder of the motion 01:59:33.079 --> 01:59:34.359 and I'll check that with governance is 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:38.000 that correct the 01:59:41.119 --> 01:59:43.279 yellow okay so the advice is that we 01:59:43.359 --> 01:59:45.840 vote on all of part 01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:48.800 two all of just part two and then the 01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:51.119 rest is voted separately is that 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:53.000 clear for everyone as as we 01:59:53.079 --> 01:59:56.399 proceed so councilors will put 01:59:56.479 --> 01:59:57.800 governance can I ask you just to scroll 01:59:57.880 --> 02:00:01.000 and see how many points we have item one 02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:05.600 through to six excluding item two so 02:00:05.680 --> 02:00:07.560 councilors just take a moment to 02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:10.319 familiarize yourself with the vote it 02:00:10.399 --> 02:00:15.840 will be item 1 3 4 5 and 02:00:15.920 --> 02:00:18.840 six so we're proposing that we now take 02:00:18.920 --> 02:00:22.439 a vote on items 1 3 4 5 and six and then 02:00:22.520 --> 02:00:24.840 I'll put part two separately councilor s 02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:26.640 sorry just to seek some clarity from 02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:29.119 governance if it's okay it's just the 02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:31.920 dot Point part of part point two and the 02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:33.560 initial highlighted section that says 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:35.319 subject to the following change I'll 02:00:35.399 --> 02:00:37.039 refer that question through to our 02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:38.760 governance 02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:41.439 team so he's asking you're saying that 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:42.680 we need 02:00:42.760 --> 02:00:46.600 to do you like to Prov 02:00:46.960 --> 02:00:49.560 that through you mayor the suggestion to 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:51.600 vote in Parts would be separating out of 02:00:51.680 --> 02:00:54.319 each to the points very difficult to 02:00:54.399 --> 02:00:57.319 pull apart one part of a motion into 02:00:57.399 --> 02:00:59.520 into two so our recommendation from 02:00:59.600 --> 02:01:01.760 governance is to pull out the entirety 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:03.720 of point two and have that voted on in 02:01:03.800 --> 02:01:07.119 part if that's what the intention 02:01:07.199 --> 02:01:09.560 is sorry just to further Clarity if I 02:01:09.640 --> 02:01:14.960 can May if it is lost does the rest of 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:19.920 Point 2 need to have a resolution 02:01:22.039 --> 02:01:25.039 yes I guess so we'll have to move okay 02:01:25.119 --> 02:01:27.039 all right so we'll return to that item 02:01:27.119 --> 02:01:28.720 to if it is lost and have further 02:01:28.800 --> 02:01:30.359 discussion thank you councilor for 02:01:30.439 --> 02:01:31.560 clarifying that 02:01:31.640 --> 02:01:34.520 point all right councilors just to 02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:36.560 reiterate we're now taking the vote 02:01:36.640 --> 02:01:40.800 on items 1 3 4 five and six all those in 02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:43.279 favor and I'll declare that unanimous 02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:46.000 thank you counselors we'll now 02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:50.520 put just one moment 02:01:53.239 --> 02:01:57.119 thank you and we'll now put item two 02:01:57.199 --> 02:01:59.279 to the vote I'll ask all those in favor 02:01:59.359 --> 02:02:02.000 please raise your 02:02:02.479 --> 02:02:05.399 hand just one moment counselors so 02:02:05.479 --> 02:02:09.439 counselor Eden Counselor 02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:14.560 Oxley councelor 02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:18.520 Davies councel Hal councelor h councelor 02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:20.359 Beasley and the 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:24.000 mayor and councelor Cochran 02:02:24.079 --> 02:02:27.359 sorry and I'll ask all those against 02:02:27.439 --> 02:02:28.560 councelor 02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:30.760 Sab and just check we've recorded 02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:33.880 everyone's votes counselor and 02:02:33.960 --> 02:02:35.840 abstaining councelor Hill can I just 02:02:35.920 --> 02:02:38.000 confirm clarify your vote with you my 02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:40.399 apologies four thank you my apologies 02:02:40.479 --> 02:02:42.680 that I missed that I will declare that 02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:46.399 that has been carried thank you 02:02:47.760 --> 02:02:50.439 counselors thank you for the respectful 02:02:50.520 --> 02:02:53.119 debate Council we're moving into item 02:02:53.199 --> 02:02:55.920 8.3 so I will turn to my counselor 02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:59.279 colleagues for their declarations 02:02:59.359 --> 02:03:02.399 please thank you mayor jdb I'm going to 02:03:02.479 --> 02:03:06.239 declare conflict of interest with 02:03:06.319 --> 02:03:10.319 8.3 due to the fact that I am a 02:03:10.399 --> 02:03:14.199 resident of aspendale gardens and 02:03:14.279 --> 02:03:16.279 have been close to aspendale Gardens 02:03:16.359 --> 02:03:18.359 residents Association for some time 02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:20.640 thank you thank you councelor Beasley 02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:23.279 councelor Sab thank you m thank you 02:03:23.359 --> 02:03:25.159 madam mayor also just like to declare a 02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:26.880 general conflict of interest for this 02:03:26.960 --> 02:03:29.039 item as I am an executive committee 02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:31.520 member of the Drew community of 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:33.439 Victoria which is one of the applicants 02:03:33.520 --> 02:03:35.680 in this grant stream thank you very 02:03:35.760 --> 02:03:39.399 much Council SA 02:03:52.479 --> 02:03:54.239 and council is in the room just to be 02:03:54.319 --> 02:03:56.239 clear I have councelor Davies and 02:03:56.319 --> 02:03:58.119 councelor Oxley indicating they're both 02:03:58.199 --> 02:04:00.359 wishing to speak so now that we have the 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:02.640 councils they've declared a conflict of 02:04:02.720 --> 02:04:04.800 interest and that has been recorded on 02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:07.920 item 8.3 I'll call for a motion I give 02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:09.439 the call to counselor Davies and then 02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:12.720 councelor Oxley I'll come to 02:04:16.359 --> 02:04:19.159 you it's not deliberate there is an 02:04:19.239 --> 02:04:21.760 alternate motion that I circulated I'm 02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:25.560 not I can't see the screen so I can't 02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:29.439 actually yes that was 02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:31.439 circulated earlier this evening 02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:33.239 that's the motion that I do want to 02:04:33.319 --> 02:04:35.520 move thank you councelor Davy so you're 02:04:35.600 --> 02:04:38.880 wishing to move this motion on the 02:04:38.960 --> 02:04:44.439 screen correct thank you do we have a 02:04:44.520 --> 02:04:47.960 seconder councelor hill thank 02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:50.279 you councelor 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:53.439 Davies thank you 02:04:53.520 --> 02:04:56.319 mayor I think it's very self-evident and 02:04:56.399 --> 02:04:58.239 I I will deal with the Amendments given 02:04:58.319 --> 02:05:01.680 that I'm anticipating some comments 02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:04.720 those amendments basically arise 02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:07.199 from discussions that took place in the 02:05:07.279 --> 02:05:10.159 council information sessions in 02:05:10.239 --> 02:05:14.319 particular if I go to the reasonings 02:05:14.399 --> 02:05:16.359 given by the 02:05:16.439 --> 02:05:21.880 panel s right so I'm on page 490 02:05:21.960 --> 02:05:25.760 the hard copy I prese the electronic 02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:29.039 copies match the key if we're looking 02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:33.359 at the Drew's Community there the one 02:05:33.439 --> 02:05:35.239 of the well the key reason that we were 02:05:35.319 --> 02:05:37.680 informed for why that was not 02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:39.960 recommended was that they had a strong 02:05:40.039 --> 02:05:43.560 financial position except when we asked 02:05:43.640 --> 02:05:47.199 questions about that in the cis's that's 02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:49.479 not actually in our guidelines we don't 02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:52.079 means test 02:05:52.159 --> 02:05:55.800 these applications so the concern was 02:05:55.880 --> 02:06:00.319 raised by me that we had panel 02:06:00.399 --> 02:06:03.279 members relying upon issues which are 02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:05.199 not in our guidelines as a basis to 02:06:05.279 --> 02:06:08.039 reject that Grant and it is noted that 02:06:08.119 --> 02:06:10.399 they had a lot of information there on 02:06:10.479 --> 02:06:12.239 their aims and their objectives and so I 02:06:12.319 --> 02:06:14.960 do believe it is a matter that they 02:06:15.039 --> 02:06:17.840 should not not get the grant because 02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:20.279 they have a strong financial 02:06:20.359 --> 02:06:24.000 docentation we noted in the 02:06:24.079 --> 02:06:25.560 Financial reports that were provided we 02:06:25.640 --> 02:06:27.159 actually don't know just because someone 02:06:27.239 --> 02:06:29.279 has a lot of money in their Bank whether 02:06:29.359 --> 02:06:30.920 that means they're not saving for 02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:32.880 something that point was also made in 02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:36.039 relation to the Jane Community which 02:06:36.119 --> 02:06:37.399 you know would be noted in relation to 02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:38.840 the Jane Community they may have a lot 02:06:38.920 --> 02:06:42.520 of money in their bank but they are 02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:45.399 partway through building their Temple 02:06:45.479 --> 02:06:50.479 and they are saving to bring the marble 02:06:50.560 --> 02:06:54.359 Temple over from India in pieces so once 02:06:54.439 --> 02:06:56.199 again the fact that they may have a 02:06:56.279 --> 02:06:57.640 strong financial position is not a 02:06:57.720 --> 02:07:02.600 reason to give them the grant monies 02:07:02.680 --> 02:07:05.279 I do note that in relation to the Jane 02:07:05.359 --> 02:07:08.199 application they do need to provide a 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:12.279 quote so I have made that on my motion 02:07:12.359 --> 02:07:14.800 subject to actually providing the quote 02:07:14.880 --> 02:07:16.680 but what they were seeking is certainly 02:07:16.760 --> 02:07:18.439 something that I believe that we as 02:07:18.520 --> 02:07:21.039 Kingston Council should support so I 02:07:21.119 --> 02:07:23.279 do recommend those amendments to my 02:07:23.359 --> 02:07:25.600 fellow councilors thank you thank you 02:07:25.680 --> 02:07:28.239 councelor Davies councelor Hill your 02:07:28.319 --> 02:07:30.720 reserve thank you councilor Oxley I'll 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:33.279 return to 02:07:33.560 --> 02:07:36.159 you thank you I was going to move just 02:07:36.239 --> 02:07:37.920 the officer recommendation and usually 02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:39.560 those who are at their feet first move 02:07:39.640 --> 02:07:41.600 items in Council meetings but 02:07:41.680 --> 02:07:44.920 nevertheless I will refer to something 02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:46.640 that we've discussed quite a bit in this 02:07:46.720 --> 02:07:48.680 Council and that's the operation sandon 02:07:48.760 --> 02:07:51.600 report and I'm possibly even more more 02:07:51.680 --> 02:07:55.800 concerned than I was in the last item 02:07:55.880 --> 02:07:58.640 whereby I'm hearing Time and Time and 02:07:58.720 --> 02:08:00.119 Time Again from councilors in this 02:08:00.199 --> 02:08:03.439 meeting we discussed that at CIS we 02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:05.880 heard this at CIS that information 02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:07.279 wasn't in the report and by the way we 02:08:07.359 --> 02:08:08.760 still haven't seen the applications that 02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:10.720 we're deciding on this evening but now 02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:13.880 we're deciding to approve funding that 02:08:13.960 --> 02:08:16.800 is quite a significant amount of 02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:19.479 money without seeing the applications 02:08:19.560 --> 02:08:22.800 without knowing a lot of the information 02:08:22.880 --> 02:08:25.039 all because it was discussed at 02:08:25.119 --> 02:08:27.640 CIS now members of the community those 02:08:27.720 --> 02:08:30.399 who are in our Gallery this evening 02:08:30.479 --> 02:08:33.359 don't get to see what goes on at CIS 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:35.319 they don't get to see the reports and 02:08:35.399 --> 02:08:37.840 information that we provided at CIS and 02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:40.159 in fact operation sandon referred 02:08:40.239 --> 02:08:42.359 specifically to pre meetings and 02:08:42.439 --> 02:08:45.600 briefings of counselors to ensure that 02:08:45.680 --> 02:08:49.239 decisions weren't made at CIS briefings 02:08:49.319 --> 02:08:50.520 or at other councils they called 02:08:50.600 --> 02:08:52.800 different things but pre meetings of 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:55.760 council so that decisions can be made 02:08:55.840 --> 02:08:59.479 publicly so that our community can see 02:08:59.560 --> 02:09:03.479 them where is the governance of this 02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:06.079 Council when these types of things are 02:09:06.159 --> 02:09:07.840 happening I'm 02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:12.279 sorry I I I struggle to see how others 02:09:12.359 --> 02:09:14.199 are not seeing an issue with this how 02:09:14.279 --> 02:09:16.279 officers are not seeing an issue with 02:09:16.359 --> 02:09:19.199 this and how we are not getting advice 02:09:19.279 --> 02:09:21.079 on how this process under the good 02:09:21.159 --> 02:09:22.880 govern principles and the Local 02:09:22.960 --> 02:09:26.560 Government Act that these types of 02:09:26.640 --> 02:09:29.880 processes continue to happen in this 02:09:29.960 --> 02:09:33.720 Council I am so very very concerned that 02:09:33.800 --> 02:09:37.199 a significant amount of rap payers money 02:09:37.279 --> 02:09:40.760 not my money of rate payers 02:09:40.840 --> 02:09:44.640 money is going to organizations and the 02:09:44.720 --> 02:09:46.399 only one I know up there the aspendell 02:09:46.479 --> 02:09:47.960 gardens residents Association of the 02:09:48.039 --> 02:09:49.960 event that's being referred to is an 02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:51.520 event that's been run for a number of 02:09:51.600 --> 02:09:53.960 years that has previously been funded by 02:09:54.039 --> 02:09:55.880 Council the other two points that have 02:09:55.960 --> 02:09:57.560 been added this evening I haven't seen 02:09:57.640 --> 02:09:58.359 the 02:09:58.439 --> 02:10:00.119 applications I don't know what events 02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:03.960 are being funded to 25,000 perom for one 02:10:04.039 --> 02:10:07.399 of those $25,000 perom for a number of 02:10:07.479 --> 02:10:11.039 years of rate payers 02:10:11.119 --> 02:10:13.119 money 02:10:13.199 --> 02:10:17.520 I'm I'm I'm honestly blown 02:10:17.600 --> 02:10:19.880 away that others are not sitting here 02:10:19.960 --> 02:10:23.319 saying what is going on 02:10:25.119 --> 02:10:29.439 I really hope someone sends it to vgo 02:10:29.520 --> 02:10:30.840 someone sends it to the inspectorate to 02:10:30.920 --> 02:10:33.159 have a look at so that we can review our 02:10:33.239 --> 02:10:36.000 processes this wasn't officers actually 02:10:36.079 --> 02:10:37.880 that this was the problem this is what 02:10:37.960 --> 02:10:40.199 we've done in this chamber 02:10:40.279 --> 02:10:42.680 tonight and it shouldn't be 02:10:42.760 --> 02:10:45.800 happening thank you councelor Oxley any 02:10:45.880 --> 02:10:49.399 other counselors wishing to debate the 02:10:49.479 --> 02:10:51.680 motion councelor Eden 02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:53.560 yes thank you Madame mayor and I think 02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:56.760 just for the sake of clarity Council 02:10:56.840 --> 02:10:58.760 Davy talked about the reason for 02:10:58.840 --> 02:11:01.399 officers or for the assessment panel not 02:11:01.479 --> 02:11:02.920 supporting the particular two grants 02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:05.720 that she's advocating be supported on 02:11:05.800 --> 02:11:07.680 what is one of the most lucrative Grant 02:11:07.760 --> 02:11:10.199 streams at Council and that is the 02:11:10.279 --> 02:11:14.600 ongoing funding at 25,000 per anom on 02:11:14.680 --> 02:11:17.279 the first one funding not recommended 02:11:17.359 --> 02:11:18.880 the application was strong and provided 02:11:18.960 --> 02:11:20.720 details of the activity aims and 02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:22.359 objectives however in line with the 02:11:22.439 --> 02:11:24.199 grant guidelines the stream is for 02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:26.560 festivals or events that are already 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:28.800 established what I wanted to ask as a 02:11:28.880 --> 02:11:32.439 question is councilor Davy's motion 02:11:32.520 --> 02:11:37.479 seeking to amend the policy to Now cover 02:11:37.560 --> 02:11:40.119 groups that don't already have 02:11:40.199 --> 02:11:43.479 established Grant grant program 02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:45.840 funding for festivals is 02:11:45.920 --> 02:11:48.920 that Ed I'll ask Miss Waters if you are 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:51.880 able to provide a response thank you 02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:53.600 thank you through the mayor I don't 02:11:53.680 --> 02:11:56.720 believe that is the intention to 02:11:56.800 --> 02:11:59.880 alter the guidelines the guidelines 02:11:59.960 --> 02:12:01.560 do state that this 02:12:01.640 --> 02:12:04.199 application that the that this stream 02:12:04.279 --> 02:12:08.239 is for already established festivals 02:12:08.319 --> 02:12:10.279 and events and the community by annual 02:12:10.359 --> 02:12:13.319 grants are a stream where people might 02:12:13.399 --> 02:12:16.119 apply for a first second year Grant 02:12:16.199 --> 02:12:18.119 before perhaps applying in this stream 02:12:18.199 --> 02:12:19.680 but I don't believe the intention is to 02:12:19.760 --> 02:12:21.479 change the policy thank thank you Miss 02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:23.079 Waters councelor Davies do you wish to 02:12:23.159 --> 02:12:25.399 further clarify your position on this 02:12:25.479 --> 02:12:28.560 question no okay thank 02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:31.159 you thank you for that answer so what 02:12:31.239 --> 02:12:33.600 is clear is there's not an issue with 02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:35.800 the policy and it's actually just an 02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:37.119 issue about getting money to a 02:12:37.199 --> 02:12:39.439 particular group I would have thought 02:12:39.520 --> 02:12:41.560 that had this group been excluded for 02:12:41.640 --> 02:12:43.359 those reasons and there was a thought 02:12:43.439 --> 02:12:45.199 that those reasons were unfair someone 02:12:45.279 --> 02:12:47.000 might seek to actually change the policy 02:12:47.079 --> 02:12:49.439 so that other groups weren't precluded 02:12:49.520 --> 02:12:51.920 on unfair grounds 02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:54.199 but the reality is as we heard from 02:12:54.279 --> 02:12:56.640 councilor Sab he is a executive 02:12:56.720 --> 02:13:00.279 member on that group and we haven't 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:03.239 even seen the application I'm sure 02:13:03.319 --> 02:13:04.359 there's probably been plenty of 02:13:04.439 --> 02:13:05.800 conversations at a counselor to 02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:07.960 counselor level about the particular 02:13:08.039 --> 02:13:10.199 groups and what they do and what 02:13:10.279 --> 02:13:13.239 executive members of those groups may 02:13:13.319 --> 02:13:15.159 say to other councilors with respect to 02:13:15.239 --> 02:13:17.479 what the groups actually do but I would 02:13:17.560 --> 02:13:19.239 have thought from probity perspective it 02:13:19.319 --> 02:13:21.039 would have been appropriate before 02:13:21.119 --> 02:13:23.319 committing the rate pay to 02:13:23.399 --> 02:13:25.479 $75,000 particularly when counselors 02:13:25.560 --> 02:13:27.520 have gone on for years on this Council 02:13:27.600 --> 02:13:30.560 about officer reports needing to come 02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:32.000 forward when councilors want to spend 02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:32.960 over 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:36.159 $25,000 to have at least circulated or 02:13:36.239 --> 02:13:38.279 shared an application for the community 02:13:38.359 --> 02:13:40.399 group particularly given when they're 02:13:40.479 --> 02:13:42.720 just outside of the guidelines so I'm 02:13:42.800 --> 02:13:44.800 quite shocked that groups that are 02:13:44.880 --> 02:13:46.359 outside of the guidelines that got 02:13:46.439 --> 02:13:49.239 rejected by officers now get a 02:13:49.319 --> 02:13:51.239 counselor just saying well here it goes 02:13:51.319 --> 02:13:53.520 haven't actually got the application but 02:13:53.600 --> 02:13:56.079 you know what is it just 25 Grand a year 02:13:56.159 --> 02:13:58.520 times you know several years so I 02:13:58.600 --> 02:14:00.439 would have expected that those 02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:02.000 applications would have at least been 02:14:02.079 --> 02:14:03.920 circulated for councilors to properly 02:14:04.000 --> 02:14:08.079 consider them the other group at 02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:11.159 the bottom receiving 10,000 per anom 02:14:11.239 --> 02:14:12.760 that's also quite interesting to sort of 02:14:12.840 --> 02:14:15.359 see that approach being taken there with 02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:17.119 respect to the 10,000 perom because 02:14:17.199 --> 02:14:19.880 there's other groups in here that 02:14:19.960 --> 02:14:22.880 have had reject criteria that are very 02:14:22.960 --> 02:14:25.880 similar to these groups yet a council's 02:14:25.960 --> 02:14:28.399 not pushing for them and we're just 02:14:28.479 --> 02:14:31.439 seeing particular groups being c you 02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:34.279 know put back in at a council's whim 02:14:34.359 --> 02:14:36.600 without the applications being read so I 02:14:36.680 --> 02:14:38.399 think M May the question really needs to 02:14:38.479 --> 02:14:41.560 be asked is why have these two groups 02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:43.640 had a counselor strongly Advocate and 02:14:43.720 --> 02:14:47.079 push them above the strong and clear 02:14:47.159 --> 02:14:49.119 officer advice around why they were 02:14:49.199 --> 02:14:51.840 rejected to be funded this is a lot of 02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:53.960 money particularly when we just had an 02:14:54.039 --> 02:14:56.319 argent about a group that's providing 02:14:56.399 --> 02:14:58.680 food as an essential Service 02:14:58.760 --> 02:15:00.560 supposedly not being worthy based on 02:15:00.640 --> 02:15:02.239 some council's votes and now we're 02:15:02.319 --> 02:15:05.520 throwing away what could be over 100,000 02:15:05.600 --> 02:15:07.399 over a period of time thank you councel 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:09.640 so I would oppose this amendment thank 02:15:09.720 --> 02:15:11.399 you any other councilors wishing to 02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:13.359 debate the 02:15:13.439 --> 02:15:15.479 motion 02:15:15.560 --> 02:15:19.359 no councilor Hill thank 02:15:19.439 --> 02:15:23.319 you thank you may jdb and just I 02:15:23.399 --> 02:15:24.760 think getting back 02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:29.680 to the process now with these grants 02:15:29.760 --> 02:15:32.479 as has been discussed at length they 02:15:32.560 --> 02:15:36.199 have been through our assessment 02:15:36.279 --> 02:15:38.760 panel and then we get a recommendation 02:15:38.840 --> 02:15:42.319 but then the process is that if 02:15:42.399 --> 02:15:47.000 councilors see fit to deviate from that 02:15:47.079 --> 02:15:49.159 recommendation that's not seen as 02:15:49.239 --> 02:15:51.680 inappropriate we just need to give 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:54.359 reasonings as to why there is that 02:15:54.439 --> 02:15:59.399 variation so I go back to a point 02:15:59.479 --> 02:16:02.359 that councilor Beasley made on on 02:16:02.439 --> 02:16:06.079 item number 8.1 just with regards to 02:16:06.159 --> 02:16:07.680 some of these groups 02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:10.479 maybe you know not not being as well 02:16:10.560 --> 02:16:13.399 versed in administration as they are in 02:16:13.479 --> 02:16:15.039 providing the service for their 02:16:15.119 --> 02:16:17.039 community and and I don't mean to be 02:16:17.119 --> 02:16:19.520 disrespectful but I know some groups 02:16:19.600 --> 02:16:21.000 will have people who are really 02:16:21.079 --> 02:16:23.079 dedicated to that administrative 02:16:23.159 --> 02:16:25.960 function others aren't at all you 02:16:26.039 --> 02:16:29.880 know others are purely set up to provide 02:16:29.960 --> 02:16:31.640 the service to the community and really 02:16:31.720 --> 02:16:35.680 with no one you know with maybe 02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:39.079 the the skills to really understand how 02:16:39.159 --> 02:16:40.920 to put one of these applications 02:16:41.000 --> 02:16:43.840 together and when I actually read some 02:16:43.920 --> 02:16:46.920 of the officers or some of the 02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:51.200 comments in in in the reports you can 02:16:51.280 --> 02:16:53.280 actually s that does come through that 02:16:53.360 --> 02:16:55.639 there was maybe some confusion as to how 02:16:55.719 --> 02:16:59.159 to complete the application and in some 02:16:59.239 --> 02:17:02.520 cases that has led to the application 02:17:02.600 --> 02:17:04.559 being refused like there's instances 02:17:04.639 --> 02:17:06.559 where they've applied in in the wrong 02:17:06.639 --> 02:17:08.840 stream for instance where the 02:17:08.920 --> 02:17:10.239 recommendation isn't that they shouldn't 02:17:10.319 --> 02:17:13.440 receive funding but it was just that the 02:17:13.520 --> 02:17:15.239 stream that they applied and maybe 02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:17.959 wasn't the appropriate stream so I I 02:17:18.040 --> 02:17:20.920 think you know we've certainly tried 02:17:21.000 --> 02:17:23.360 consider that we did have discussions in 02:17:23.440 --> 02:17:25.559 cis's we have had the opportunity to 02:17:25.639 --> 02:17:29.239 meet with officers to discuss this also 02:17:29.319 --> 02:17:32.319 and as a result of that I I'm 02:17:32.399 --> 02:17:34.719 certainly comfortable with the 02:17:34.799 --> 02:17:37.719 Amendments that have been put 02:17:37.799 --> 02:17:41.159 together and yeah in which which 02:17:41.239 --> 02:17:42.680 point I'm happy to support them thank 02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:44.760 you thank you councelor 02:17:44.840 --> 02:17:46.680 Hill Council 02:17:46.760 --> 02:17:49.120 Oxley thank you I'd like to request that 02:17:49.200 --> 02:17:51.879 all of the points in yellow or the 02:17:51.959 --> 02:17:53.920 entirety of what's in yellow be voted on 02:17:54.000 --> 02:17:55.840 separately to the original motion thank 02:17:55.920 --> 02:17:58.360 you I note your request to vote in Parts 02:17:58.440 --> 02:18:01.799 for item three councelor Davis do you 02:18:01.879 --> 02:18:03.639 wish to 02:18:03.719 --> 02:18:06.879 close thank you mayor jdb just 02:18:06.959 --> 02:18:09.840 very briefly I go back to I think there 02:18:09.920 --> 02:18:11.360 was some comments made in relation to 02:18:11.440 --> 02:18:13.520 what CIS is and is that 02:18:13.600 --> 02:18:16.600 decisionmaking meetings we didn't 02:18:16.680 --> 02:18:18.959 make decisions in CIS we actually got a 02:18:19.040 --> 02:18:21.600 lot of information and once again I 02:18:21.680 --> 02:18:22.879 note that unfortunately neither 02:18:22.959 --> 02:18:24.680 councelor Eden nor Council oy were able 02:18:24.760 --> 02:18:26.479 to be there when we did have those very 02:18:26.559 --> 02:18:28.920 detailed discussions I also note that I 02:18:29.000 --> 02:18:31.399 did speak to the grants officer 02:18:31.479 --> 02:18:34.200 separately in relation to the items 02:18:34.280 --> 02:18:36.920 that are there as amendments we also got 02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:40.200 some written advice in relation to those 02:18:40.280 --> 02:18:43.000 grants and the reasoning is up there 02:18:43.079 --> 02:18:45.680 on the screen as noted by Council hill 02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:49.840 we actually not precluded from adding 02:18:49.920 --> 02:18:51.520 additional things in if we do provide 02:18:51.600 --> 02:18:53.840 reasons I do think that these are all 02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:57.719 very worthy organizations and at the 02:18:57.799 --> 02:19:00.840 end of the day we are a council that is 02:19:00.920 --> 02:19:02.879 here for our community and if we can 02:19:02.959 --> 02:19:04.719 assist our community members and our 02:19:04.799 --> 02:19:06.680 community groups then I think we should 02:19:06.760 --> 02:19:10.719 do so thank you thank you councelor 02:19:10.799 --> 02:19:14.760 Davies all right so we have item one two 02:19:14.840 --> 02:19:16.159 and governance I'll just ask if you 02:19:16.239 --> 02:19:18.319 wouldn't mind 02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:21.360 scrolling so just three points in this 02:19:21.440 --> 02:19:24.000 motion so councilors will'll put item 02:19:24.079 --> 02:19:26.959 one and two to the vote and then we'll 02:19:27.040 --> 02:19:29.399 vote separately on part three so all 02:19:29.479 --> 02:19:34.280 those in favor of Parts one and 02:19:35.799 --> 02:19:38.559 two that will be carried unanimously 02:19:38.639 --> 02:19:40.879 thank 02:19:49.079 --> 02:19:52.959 you councilors on part three I'll ask 02:19:53.040 --> 02:19:57.159 all those in favor to please raise their 02:19:57.760 --> 02:20:01.440 hand sorry do you need me 02:20:01.520 --> 02:20:04.000 to Y we just sorry if we could just 02:20:04.079 --> 02:20:05.680 scroll back up so that counselors can 02:20:05.760 --> 02:20:08.079 see the entirety of that sorry go scroll 02:20:08.159 --> 02:20:09.959 down a little 02:20:10.040 --> 02:20:12.920 bit keep going a little bit 02:20:13.000 --> 02:20:15.159 more there we are hopefully that's all 02:20:15.239 --> 02:20:16.719 on the almost on the one screen so 02:20:16.799 --> 02:20:18.680 councilors we're now voting on this part 02:20:18.760 --> 02:20:22.040 of the motion all those in favor 02:20:22.120 --> 02:20:24.360 councelor Davies councelor Hill 02:20:24.440 --> 02:20:26.600 councelor Hal councelor h councelor 02:20:26.680 --> 02:20:30.200 Cochran and the mayor all those against 02:20:30.280 --> 02:20:32.959 counselor Eden and councelor Oxley thank 02:20:33.040 --> 02:20:35.760 you counselors I declare that carried 02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:38.719 we'll move on to item 8.4 and I'll just 02:20:38.799 --> 02:20:41.200 ask if someone can alert our councelor 02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:43.639 colleagues that they are able to now 02:20:43.719 --> 02:20:45.920 return to the room the period of 02:20:46.000 --> 02:20:47.520 conflict of interest has expired as 02:20:47.600 --> 02:20:50.040 we're moving on to item 8.4 the all 02:20:50.120 --> 02:20:53.879 abilities action plan 24 to 02:20:54.520 --> 02:20:56.959 28 and we'll just pause a moment to 02:20:57.040 --> 02:21:01.040 allow those counselors to 02:21:27.600 --> 02:21:30.520 that's really great thank 02:21:39.520 --> 02:21:41.479 you thank you 02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:44.879 counselors item 8.4 is the all 02:21:44.959 --> 02:21:48.440 abilities action plan 2024 2028 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:52.520 councilors do we have a motion 02:21:53.479 --> 02:21:55.879 happy to move thank you councelor 02:21:55.959 --> 02:21:59.479 Beasley and a 02:22:00.559 --> 02:22:03.200 seconder I'll second from the chair 02:22:03.280 --> 02:22:06.559 thank you thank you councelor 02:22:12.639 --> 02:22:17.239 Beasley thank you mayor jdb I just 02:22:17.319 --> 02:22:20.079 move the recommendation that we note 02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:22.200 the results result of the codesign and 02:22:22.280 --> 02:22:24.799 stage two Community consultation 02:22:24.879 --> 02:22:27.879 activities that actually contributed 02:22:27.959 --> 02:22:30.239 really informed the finalization of our 02:22:30.319 --> 02:22:33.239 all abilities action plan and that we 02:22:33.319 --> 02:22:35.959 then Ador endorse the action plan which 02:22:36.040 --> 02:22:39.840 councilors will find as appendix one 02:22:39.920 --> 02:22:42.399 of this report thank you thank you 02:22:42.479 --> 02:22:43.399 councilor 02:22:43.479 --> 02:22:45.559 Beasley are any councilors wishing to 02:22:45.639 --> 02:22:49.079 debate the motion 02:22:51.079 --> 02:22:52.719 Council if that's the case I might ask 02:22:52.799 --> 02:22:54.360 if I can put this item to the vote 02:22:54.440 --> 02:22:56.760 unless there's any addition to 02:22:56.840 --> 02:22:59.520 that thank you councelors I'll call the 02:22:59.600 --> 02:23:02.000 vote all those in 02:23:02.079 --> 02:23:03.920 favor I'll declare that carried 02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:07.040 unanimously thank 02:23:07.879 --> 02:23:11.040 you we're moving on to item 9.1 02:23:11.120 --> 02:23:12.680 basements and underground structures 02:23:12.760 --> 02:23:14.799 policy management of groundw water 02:23:14.879 --> 02:23:16.520 dewatering during construction and 02:23:16.600 --> 02:23:18.319 access councilors do we have a motion 02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:19.920 thank you councelor Beasley the 02:23:20.000 --> 02:23:22.479 recommend as it appears on the screen 02:23:22.559 --> 02:23:25.799 thank you a second councelor how thank 02:23:25.879 --> 02:23:28.920 you councel 02:23:29.000 --> 02:23:32.799 Bley thank you mayor jdb this one's 02:23:32.879 --> 02:23:36.280 actually of particular interest to me 02:23:36.360 --> 02:23:40.079 because of the construction of 02:23:40.159 --> 02:23:44.000 places particularly in aspendale back 02:23:44.079 --> 02:23:45.159 in 02:23:45.239 --> 02:23:50.639 2013 we just after I arrived in 02:23:50.719 --> 02:23:54.159 Council we had a really big issue with a 02:23:54.239 --> 02:23:57.920 particular basement car park that had 02:23:58.000 --> 02:24:01.479 been developed in aspendale where 02:24:01.559 --> 02:24:03.879 they' hit the groundwater and they 02:24:03.959 --> 02:24:05.440 really didn't know how to solve it so 02:24:05.520 --> 02:24:08.840 they' put a big tube down into their 02:24:08.920 --> 02:24:10.680 basement and they were right next to the 02:24:10.760 --> 02:24:14.600 beach so they just poured out the 02:24:14.680 --> 02:24:18.559 groundwater constantly onto the beach 02:24:18.639 --> 02:24:22.520 and this is where this policy needed to 02:24:22.600 --> 02:24:23.239 get 02:24:23.319 --> 02:24:26.399 developed it has been 02:24:26.479 --> 02:24:29.319 used a lot since then so it's a very 02:24:29.399 --> 02:24:32.799 important policy because while it 02:24:32.879 --> 02:24:34.319 actually measures something that's 02:24:34.399 --> 02:24:37.680 unseen to most residents in Kingston it 02:24:37.760 --> 02:24:40.360 helps us with our environment and with 02:24:40.440 --> 02:24:43.040 having good strong builds in this area 02:24:43.120 --> 02:24:45.719 and to ensure that people manage our 02:24:45.799 --> 02:24:47.760 groundwater properly and do the right 02:24:47.840 --> 02:24:51.000 thing with it and and dispose of it 02:24:51.079 --> 02:24:52.799 the way they're supposed to and and 02:24:52.879 --> 02:24:55.920 circle it around and really protect 02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:58.520 our groundwater and the properties 02:24:58.600 --> 02:25:00.319 that they're building so it is a very 02:25:00.399 --> 02:25:02.559 important policy and that clearly 02:25:02.639 --> 02:25:03.799 there's just a few things that the 02:25:03.879 --> 02:25:06.559 officers felt needed Improvement which 02:25:06.639 --> 02:25:08.799 often happens with policies where over 02:25:08.879 --> 02:25:10.920 time someone starts to play with a 02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:12.879 little little bit people who have 02:25:12.959 --> 02:25:14.639 used that policy in terms of arguing 02:25:14.719 --> 02:25:16.079 with the officers and they've come up 02:25:16.159 --> 02:25:17.879 with a little bit a few ways of making 02:25:17.959 --> 02:25:19.680 it and strengthening it so I really 02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:21.559 appreciate that the work done to 02:25:21.639 --> 02:25:23.600 strengthen that policy thank you and I 02:25:23.680 --> 02:25:26.120 commit this to the to the council thanks 02:25:26.200 --> 02:25:29.600 thank you councelor Hal thank you any 02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:33.559 other councilors wishing to debate this 02:25:33.639 --> 02:25:36.200 motion I propose we put this item to the 02:25:36.280 --> 02:25:39.040 vote if there's no 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:41.719 objection thank you councilors I'll Now 02:25:41.799 --> 02:25:44.920 call for the vote all those in favor I 02:25:45.000 --> 02:25:48.079 declare that carried unanimously thank 02:25:48.159 --> 02:25:52.920 you item 9.2 who is the waterways CCTV 02:25:53.000 --> 02:25:55.200 councelor 02:25:55.280 --> 02:26:00.479 Bley moving thank you a second councel 02:26:00.559 --> 02:26:03.120 Sab thank you councelor belzley 02:26:03.200 --> 02:26:06.040 thank you councilor Sab you have been a 02:26:06.120 --> 02:26:08.000 real friend of the waterways and thank 02:26:08.079 --> 02:26:10.559 you for seconding this tonight thank you 02:26:10.639 --> 02:26:12.719 mayor jdb for giving me the 02:26:12.799 --> 02:26:15.360 opportunity to speak tonight this has 02:26:15.440 --> 02:26:17.360 been on the table for quite some time we 02:26:17.440 --> 02:26:21.280 do have issues with robberies within 02:26:21.360 --> 02:26:24.079 burglaries from houses within the 02:26:24.159 --> 02:26:26.319 waterways the the thing that we do have 02:26:26.399 --> 02:26:28.879 with the waterways is that we have 02:26:28.959 --> 02:26:31.879 three access points so if ever a house 02:26:31.959 --> 02:26:33.959 is burgled in the waterways that that 02:26:34.040 --> 02:26:36.760 car needs to come in and out of the 02:26:36.840 --> 02:26:39.799 waterways and it'll be trackable and 02:26:39.879 --> 02:26:42.319 that's what this is for it's not for 02:26:42.399 --> 02:26:44.360 surveilling residents in any way it's 02:26:44.440 --> 02:26:46.360 not for surveiling people who are users 02:26:46.440 --> 02:26:49.159 of the waterways it's for those moments 02:26:49.239 --> 02:26:51.639 when there the unfortunate time where 02:26:51.719 --> 02:26:53.079 there has been a 02:26:53.159 --> 02:26:58.559 burglary and so it it took a while 02:26:58.639 --> 02:27:00.559 we do detailed with this one I've gone 02:27:00.639 --> 02:27:04.200 over what's happened before where 02:27:04.280 --> 02:27:06.959 the officers took a rather unusual path 02:27:07.040 --> 02:27:10.239 with the with a previous report 02:27:10.319 --> 02:27:13.559 however we've got a a new 02:27:13.639 --> 02:27:17.719 waterways Corporation board committee 02:27:17.799 --> 02:27:20.920 and they've come to the party with 02:27:21.000 --> 02:27:23.040 what they really need and what 02:27:23.120 --> 02:27:24.920 they're looking for and I I I thank 02:27:25.000 --> 02:27:27.719 Steve and Mike for attending tonight and 02:27:27.799 --> 02:27:29.159 for working really well with the 02:27:29.239 --> 02:27:31.399 officers it's a good working 02:27:31.479 --> 02:27:33.559 relationship and what we have before 02:27:33.639 --> 02:27:35.559 us is to endorse the waterways owners 02:27:35.639 --> 02:27:38.239 corporations proposal for the CCTV 02:27:38.319 --> 02:27:40.840 installation with waterways estate for a 02:27:40.920 --> 02:27:44.000 12-month period and we note that this 02:27:44.079 --> 02:27:46.559 recommendation supersedes that 02:27:46.639 --> 02:27:48.280 Council resolution of 02:27:48.360 --> 02:27:51.760 2021 this is a really good way of 02:27:51.840 --> 02:27:54.319 going forward with a group of people who 02:27:54.399 --> 02:27:56.920 are working very well and understand 02:27:57.000 --> 02:27:59.360 the needs of their residents and we 02:27:59.440 --> 02:28:02.639 authorize the CEO or their delegate to 02:28:02.719 --> 02:28:04.559 review cease or extend the use of the 02:28:04.639 --> 02:28:06.799 system after the trial period based on 02:28:06.879 --> 02:28:08.719 evidence outcomes and alignments with 02:28:08.799 --> 02:28:12.120 the policies relating to the use of CCTV 02:28:12.200 --> 02:28:13.639 I think this is a good measure going 02:28:13.719 --> 02:28:15.360 forward and it's something that we can 02:28:15.440 --> 02:28:18.520 act fairly quickly with the waterways 02:28:18.600 --> 02:28:20.920 Corporation so I I do thank the 02:28:21.000 --> 02:28:22.879 waterways owners Corporation and the 02:28:22.959 --> 02:28:25.319 representatives here tonight and I 02:28:25.399 --> 02:28:27.840 commend this report to you thank you 02:28:27.920 --> 02:28:30.280 thank you councelor Bley councelor 02:28:30.360 --> 02:28:33.319 Saab just really briefly just to thank 02:28:33.399 --> 02:28:37.120 as councelor Bley really well put 02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:39.159 that just to thank the waterways 02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:42.000 Corporation successive Mayors and 02:28:42.079 --> 02:28:43.760 advocacy from councelor Beasley and our 02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:46.159 offices in reaching this position it 02:28:46.239 --> 02:28:48.120 was a long process but I'm really glad 02:28:48.200 --> 02:28:50.639 that tonight we hopefully adopt this 02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:52.840 we're finalizing this discussion and 02:28:52.920 --> 02:28:54.040 we'll be able to deliver what the 02:28:54.120 --> 02:28:56.760 waterways residents have actually 02:28:56.840 --> 02:28:58.920 asked for in a really succinct and 02:28:59.000 --> 02:29:01.440 sustainable way that I think is measured 02:29:01.520 --> 02:29:03.840 approach I will note as well you know 02:29:03.920 --> 02:29:05.440 they they they did extensive Community 02:29:05.520 --> 02:29:07.639 feedback to try to get to this point and 02:29:07.719 --> 02:29:09.280 as councelor Beasley said it does 02:29:09.360 --> 02:29:12.120 supersede another counsel motion but 02:29:12.200 --> 02:29:14.319 I think this is a sensible place for 02:29:14.399 --> 02:29:16.159 us to land to be able to deliver for 02:29:16.239 --> 02:29:19.000 that Community thank you thank you 02:29:19.079 --> 02:29:21.079 councilor Sab any other councilors 02:29:21.159 --> 02:29:23.319 wishing to debate the 02:29:23.399 --> 02:29:27.639 motion do you wish to close councelor 02:29:27.959 --> 02:29:30.680 basley yes I I do wish to close thank 02:29:30.760 --> 02:29:33.440 you mayor jdb I just wanted to 02:29:33.520 --> 02:29:35.360 mention that the officers who put the 02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:36.959 previous report together are not the 02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:39.559 officers who are currently working with 02:29:39.639 --> 02:29:42.120 our the waterways Corporation and the 02:29:42.200 --> 02:29:44.399 waterways Corporation tonight but in 02:29:44.479 --> 02:29:46.959 previous times has have mentioned just 02:29:47.040 --> 02:29:48.559 how thoroughly they're enjoying that 02:29:48.639 --> 02:29:50.840 working relationship so this says to me 02:29:50.920 --> 02:29:52.200 that this is going to be a really good 02:29:52.280 --> 02:29:54.639 partnership going forward to providing 02:29:54.719 --> 02:29:58.159 the waterways residents with the w 02:29:58.239 --> 02:30:00.120 with the services that they require 02:30:00.200 --> 02:30:01.840 thank you thank you very much councilor 02:30:01.920 --> 02:30:03.559 belzley I'll put this item to the vote 02:30:03.639 --> 02:30:06.319 all those in favor and declare that 02:30:06.399 --> 02:30:09.319 carried unanimously thank 02:30:09.399 --> 02:30:12.920 you item 9.3 is the parking management 02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:14.680 policy 02:30:14.760 --> 02:30:18.120 review councilors do we have a motion 02:30:18.200 --> 02:30:20.000 councelor Davies move the recommendation 02:30:20.079 --> 02:30:21.639 on the screen Thank You seconded by 02:30:21.719 --> 02:30:25.760 councelor Hill councilor 02:30:26.399 --> 02:30:31.399 Davies Reserve thank you and councelor 02:30:32.120 --> 02:30:36.159 Hill yeah thank you this is you 02:30:36.239 --> 02:30:37.920 know a fairly simple report that's in 02:30:38.000 --> 02:30:40.559 front of us in that we've got a 02:30:40.639 --> 02:30:43.360 current policy that's in place that 02:30:43.440 --> 02:30:47.239 was approved back in May 2020 that 02:30:47.319 --> 02:30:49.239 ran through to 2023 I think at the end 02:30:49.319 --> 02:30:55.280 of 3 it was extended until June 02:30:55.360 --> 02:30:59.120 2024 so it expires this month hence 02:30:59.200 --> 02:31:01.879 why we've done this work we've done 02:31:01.959 --> 02:31:05.360 consultation I think we had 91 people 02:31:05.440 --> 02:31:08.239 put in online responses and I think 02:31:08.319 --> 02:31:10.840 we had three written email responses as 02:31:10.920 --> 02:31:12.360 well 02:31:12.440 --> 02:31:15.399 there there's some you know fairly 02:31:15.479 --> 02:31:17.760 simple changes to the current policy 02:31:17.840 --> 02:31:20.440 that I outlined in the report 02:31:20.520 --> 02:31:24.200 I think there's like industrial 02:31:24.280 --> 02:31:26.799 industrial areas like that impact on 02:31:26.879 --> 02:31:29.680 industrial areas some residential 02:31:29.760 --> 02:31:33.120 area parking permits loading loading 02:31:33.200 --> 02:31:34.879 facilities electric vehicle charging 02:31:34.959 --> 02:31:39.680 Bays Etc so as I say it's it's a 02:31:39.760 --> 02:31:42.319 you know very simple decision on this 02:31:42.399 --> 02:31:44.959 one I'm I'm happy to say so yeah happy 02:31:45.040 --> 02:31:46.879 to support this one thank 02:31:46.959 --> 02:31:50.680 you thank you councelor Hill 02:31:50.760 --> 02:31:53.520 any councilors wishing to debate this 02:31:53.600 --> 02:31:57.280 motion if not I move we move this to the 02:31:57.360 --> 02:31:59.399 vote if that's okay thank you counselors 02:31:59.479 --> 02:32:02.559 I'll ask all those in 02:32:03.040 --> 02:32:04.879 favor thank you I'll declare that 02:32:04.959 --> 02:32:08.360 carried unanimously thank 02:32:09.879 --> 02:32:15.639 you item 10.1 governance and compliance 02:32:17.879 --> 02:32:20.840 report councilors do we have a 02:32:20.920 --> 02:32:23.600 motion counselor H and then second and 02:32:23.680 --> 02:32:26.760 counselor Davies councelor H thank you 02:32:26.840 --> 02:32:30.360 councelor Davies thank you counselors if 02:32:30.440 --> 02:32:33.319 there's no debate 02:32:33.399 --> 02:32:35.639 required I'll put the item to the vote 02:32:35.719 --> 02:32:38.360 and ask all those in 02:32:38.440 --> 02:32:40.360 favor thank you I'll declare that 02:32:40.440 --> 02:32:42.760 carried 02:32:43.879 --> 02:32:47.719 unanimously counselors item 02:32:47.799 --> 02:32:53.159 10. two is the complaint resolution 02:32:53.239 --> 02:32:57.040 policy councilors do we have a 02:32:57.120 --> 02:33:00.559 motion thank you councelor 02:33:00.639 --> 02:33:05.440 Beasley and seconded councelor H thank 02:33:05.520 --> 02:33:07.559 you counselors would you like to speak 02:33:07.639 --> 02:33:10.040 to this 02:33:10.799 --> 02:33:13.879 item you reserve any other counselors 02:33:13.959 --> 02:33:16.639 wishing to debate these 02:33:16.719 --> 02:33:18.959 motions councilors I'll put this item to 02:33:19.040 --> 02:33:22.719 the vote and ask all those in 02:33:22.799 --> 02:33:25.559 favor I declare that carried unanimously 02:33:25.639 --> 02:33:27.879 thank 02:33:33.079 --> 02:33:36.399 you and I'll Now call for a motion on 02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:38.799 item 02:33:39.280 --> 02:33:42.120 10.3 councelor sub thank 02:33:42.200 --> 02:33:43.840 you 02:33:43.920 --> 02:33:47.280 seconded thank you counselor 02:33:47.360 --> 02:33:50.840 Hill councelor S thank you 02:33:50.920 --> 02:33:53.600 just briefly to talk to the fact that 02:33:53.680 --> 02:33:55.799 the cam software is a pretty 02:33:55.879 --> 02:33:58.399 Universal standard and best practice 02:33:58.479 --> 02:34:00.360 tool that a lot of not I don't know if 02:34:00.440 --> 02:34:01.520 councils do but I know a lot of 02:34:01.600 --> 02:34:03.559 organizations that I've worked with and 02:34:03.639 --> 02:34:05.680 have implemented cams across different 02:34:05.760 --> 02:34:08.000 sectors do use it's really good 02:34:08.079 --> 02:34:10.719 software to use so just to to continue 02:34:10.799 --> 02:34:13.680 to award the 2-year 02:34:13.760 --> 02:34:16.360 contract thank you councilor 02:34:16.440 --> 02:34:20.319 sa councilor Hill thank you 02:34:20.399 --> 02:34:24.440 any councilors wishing to debate this 02:34:26.200 --> 02:34:28.520 motion all right councilors I'll put the 02:34:28.600 --> 02:34:32.760 item to the vote I'll ask all those in 02:34:33.600 --> 02:34:36.399 favor thank you all those 02:34:36.479 --> 02:34:40.079 against and all those 02:34:40.319 --> 02:34:42.479 abstaining I'll declare that carried 02:34:42.559 --> 02:34:45.360 unanimously then thank you 02:34:45.440 --> 02:34:48.799 counselors item 11.1 the commercial use 02:34:48.879 --> 02:34:50.399 of land po 02:34:50.479 --> 02:34:54.239 policy thank you councelor 02:34:56.239 --> 02:35:00.200 Bley councelor H thank 02:35:00.280 --> 02:35:03.440 you thank you councelor 02:35:03.520 --> 02:35:06.079 Beasley thank you mayor jdb this is 02:35:06.159 --> 02:35:08.040 another one that's close to my heart the 02:35:08.120 --> 02:35:11.559 commercial use of land of council land 02:35:11.639 --> 02:35:14.120 policy again this was something that 02:35:14.200 --> 02:35:15.799 we didn't have in place when I first 02:35:15.879 --> 02:35:18.040 arrived in Kingston and when people 02:35:18.120 --> 02:35:19.680 asked the question could they run a 02:35:19.760 --> 02:35:22.719 Market their own market for for 02:35:22.799 --> 02:35:25.319 profitable but for obviously for that 02:35:25.399 --> 02:35:27.639 had a lot of community value for our 02:35:27.719 --> 02:35:31.040 local community the answer was no it was 02:35:31.120 --> 02:35:34.280 just a a a straight flat no someone else 02:35:34.360 --> 02:35:36.200 wanted to start a cycling business know 02:35:36.280 --> 02:35:38.319 that was a no as well and why because 02:35:38.399 --> 02:35:43.680 there was no policy so I I I spoke to 02:35:43.760 --> 02:35:47.000 the other counselors and and we 02:35:47.079 --> 02:35:50.360 began the the this this this policy 02:35:50.440 --> 02:35:52.559 the commercial use of council land 02:35:52.639 --> 02:35:55.079 policy and that's helps us to do a lot 02:35:55.159 --> 02:35:58.879 of things it now includes other 02:35:58.959 --> 02:36:01.799 things like foot you know it yeah so 02:36:01.879 --> 02:36:03.639 basically just I think just includes 02:36:03.719 --> 02:36:07.479 still the the value of the land on 02:36:07.559 --> 02:36:09.319 that we use like the parks and and 02:36:09.399 --> 02:36:11.879 things like that because we do have 02:36:11.959 --> 02:36:13.920 other ones that like the foot path 02:36:14.000 --> 02:36:16.040 trading that have been in place Etc but 02:36:16.120 --> 02:36:19.840 this one is for that land use so 02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:22.760 that people can license or lease our 02:36:22.840 --> 02:36:26.040 land and use it to benefit 02:36:26.120 --> 02:36:28.079 Kingston residents and there's no 02:36:28.159 --> 02:36:30.360 harm in them benefiting themselves as 02:36:30.440 --> 02:36:34.120 well if if it's of real value to our 02:36:34.200 --> 02:36:35.680 community like some of those markets 02:36:35.760 --> 02:36:40.159 that we have in our Parks so I I 02:36:40.239 --> 02:36:42.200 put this to you it it is good it also 02:36:42.280 --> 02:36:43.319 means that people can come up with some 02:36:43.399 --> 02:36:45.559 great ideas you know they've got a way 02:36:45.639 --> 02:36:47.959 that we they can use our Council land to 02:36:48.040 --> 02:36:50.959 benefit our residents with something 02:36:51.040 --> 02:36:54.000 like bikes or or another Market or 02:36:54.079 --> 02:36:56.879 another way of selling something 02:36:56.959 --> 02:36:58.879 then I think it's a really good idea and 02:36:58.959 --> 02:37:00.639 it gives the officers can have a look at 02:37:00.719 --> 02:37:02.920 it and see if it matches our values and 02:37:03.000 --> 02:37:05.239 our strategic plan but at least 02:37:05.319 --> 02:37:06.799 there's a policy in place so that the 02:37:06.879 --> 02:37:08.600 answer when someone asks a question is 02:37:08.680 --> 02:37:10.879 not a no it's a let's have a look and 02:37:10.959 --> 02:37:13.520 see thank you thank you councelor 02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:16.200 Beasley Council okay thank you any 02:37:16.280 --> 02:37:20.479 councilors wishing to debate the motion 02:37:20.559 --> 02:37:22.280 thank you Council as I put the item to 02:37:22.360 --> 02:37:24.879 the vote all those in 02:37:24.959 --> 02:37:27.680 favor I declare that carried unanimously 02:37:27.760 --> 02:37:29.600 thank 02:37:29.680 --> 02:37:33.200 you item 02:37:33.280 --> 02:37:36.040 11.2 the discontinuance and sale of 02:37:36.120 --> 02:37:37.520 Roads rights of way and drainage 02:37:37.600 --> 02:37:41.040 reserves policy Council sorry just want 02:37:41.120 --> 02:37:43.840 to move an extension of the meeting time 02:37:43.920 --> 02:37:46.000 thank you Council that's very kind of 02:37:46.079 --> 02:37:48.040 you thank you we do have a little bit of 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:50.159 extra time but given that moved that I 02:37:50.239 --> 02:37:52.719 will absolutely accept that we 02:37:52.799 --> 02:37:56.079 look to resolve that now and Council 02:37:56.159 --> 02:38:00.040 hardwood 45 minutes or an hour 45 02:38:00.120 --> 02:38:02.600 minutes 02:38:05.760 --> 02:38:10.879 yeah we have 1 2 3 four five remaining 02:38:10.959 --> 02:38:13.159 items so let's give ourselves just some 02:38:13.239 --> 02:38:15.399 coverage do we have a 02:38:15.479 --> 02:38:20.600 seconder thank you councelor Cochran 02:38:20.680 --> 02:38:22.440 any debate required counselors on the 02:38:22.520 --> 02:38:25.040 extension for 45 02:38:25.120 --> 02:38:27.159 minutes thank you I'll put the item to 02:38:27.239 --> 02:38:29.239 the vote all those in 02:38:29.319 --> 02:38:31.520 favor thank you I declare that carried 02:38:31.600 --> 02:38:33.239 unanimously thank you councelor H I 02:38:33.319 --> 02:38:34.440 appreciate your 02:38:34.520 --> 02:38:39.040 help we'll return back to 02:38:39.120 --> 02:38:44.319 11.2 for a 02:38:48.280 --> 02:38:50.959 motion thank you councelor basley 02:38:51.040 --> 02:38:54.959 would like to move that thank 02:38:55.040 --> 02:38:58.520 you thank you councelor 02:38:58.600 --> 02:39:00.920 Hill councilors would you like to debate 02:39:01.000 --> 02:39:04.040 this motion like to speak thank you this 02:39:04.120 --> 02:39:07.000 is just to endorse this updated 02:39:07.079 --> 02:39:11.200 policy to go out for cons for public 02:39:11.280 --> 02:39:12.959 consultation and then we'll receive a 02:39:13.040 --> 02:39:16.920 further report thank you thank 02:39:17.000 --> 02:39:21.000 you councilors is there any debate 02:39:21.079 --> 02:39:23.440 required I'll put the item to the vote 02:39:23.520 --> 02:39:25.079 all those in 02:39:25.159 --> 02:39:27.799 favor I declare that carried unanimously 02:39:27.879 --> 02:39:30.120 thank 02:39:30.399 --> 02:39:31.840 you 02:39:31.920 --> 02:39:34.799 counselors item 02:39:34.879 --> 02:39:37.719 11.3 councelor 02:39:37.799 --> 02:39:40.040 Cochran thank you Madame mayor I wish 02:39:40.120 --> 02:39:45.040 to move a deferral on 11.3 to the July 02:39:45.120 --> 02:39:47.920 ordinary meeting thank you councilor 02:39:48.000 --> 02:39:51.239 Cochran and Council Beasley is seconding 02:39:51.319 --> 02:39:53.559 that councilor Cochran do you need to 02:39:53.639 --> 02:39:55.879 speak to this request for 02:39:55.959 --> 02:39:59.440 deferral look just in short I this 02:39:59.520 --> 02:40:01.319 this this isn't an urgent matter but 02:40:01.399 --> 02:40:04.959 I've been speaking to a number of 02:40:05.040 --> 02:40:07.200 stakeholders within the organization 02:40:07.280 --> 02:40:08.600 and they just feel like they need some 02:40:08.680 --> 02:40:10.520 more time so I think a month is 02:40:10.600 --> 02:40:12.000 definitely reasonable and I hope the 02:40:12.079 --> 02:40:14.399 other counselors support that as 02:40:14.479 --> 02:40:16.879 well thank 02:40:16.959 --> 02:40:19.840 you councilor basley any debate from 02:40:19.920 --> 02:40:21.799 you councilors any debate required on 02:40:21.879 --> 02:40:24.280 the request for the 02:40:24.360 --> 02:40:26.760 deferral thank you counselors I'll put 02:40:26.840 --> 02:40:28.639 the request for the deferral to the 02:40:28.719 --> 02:40:31.360 vote all those in 02:40:31.440 --> 02:40:33.959 favor I declare that carried unanimously 02:40:34.040 --> 02:40:37.399 thank you very much item 11.4 is the 02:40:37.479 --> 02:40:42.120 hardship and debt collection policy 02:40:45.040 --> 02:40:50.760 review councelor Davies thank you 02:40:51.159 --> 02:40:53.360 councelor Hill thank you very 02:40:53.440 --> 02:40:56.920 much councelor Davies do you wish to 02:40:57.000 --> 02:40:59.520 speak just very briefly we're looking 02:40:59.600 --> 02:41:01.479 at 02:41:01.559 --> 02:41:03.799 reintroducing penalty interest on unpaid 02:41:03.879 --> 02:41:05.760 rates you'll note from the officer 02:41:05.840 --> 02:41:08.280 report we have not charged penalty 02:41:08.360 --> 02:41:12.280 interest since 2019 so some five years 02:41:12.360 --> 02:41:14.360 we do recognize that there are cost 02:41:14.440 --> 02:41:16.680 of living increases happening all the 02:41:16.760 --> 02:41:20.040 time but what tends to be happening is 02:41:20.120 --> 02:41:22.719 because we're not charging interest 02:41:22.799 --> 02:41:26.360 people sort of feel that they can delay 02:41:26.440 --> 02:41:29.520 payments because there's no penalty if 02:41:29.600 --> 02:41:31.120 they don't pay on time which obviously 02:41:31.200 --> 02:41:32.479 impacts on our cash flow and we 02:41:32.559 --> 02:41:34.399 obviously want to be able to provide as 02:41:34.479 --> 02:41:36.879 many of our services with the money that 02:41:36.959 --> 02:41:40.120 our rate payers actually owe us so 02:41:40.200 --> 02:41:42.760 hopefully this will prompt people to pay 02:41:42.840 --> 02:41:44.600 on time and we also do have a hardship 02:41:44.680 --> 02:41:47.799 policy so for those that do have an 02:41:47.879 --> 02:41:50.360 issue they are able to to approach our 02:41:50.440 --> 02:41:54.559 Council staff to look at you know 02:41:54.639 --> 02:41:56.239 installments and how they might go about 02:41:56.319 --> 02:41:58.280 paying their rates in a different manner 02:41:58.360 --> 02:42:01.040 than the standard thank you thank you 02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:04.760 councelor Davies councilor 02:42:04.840 --> 02:42:08.760 Hill thank you and as is spelled out 02:42:08.840 --> 02:42:11.120 in the report as well this is a really 02:42:11.200 --> 02:42:13.959 balanced approach around the 02:42:14.040 --> 02:42:17.799 reintroduction of penal of penalty 02:42:17.879 --> 02:42:20.399 interest but at the same time a real 02:42:20.479 --> 02:42:25.280 strengthening of our hardship 02:42:25.360 --> 02:42:28.399 approach as well and what we're 02:42:28.479 --> 02:42:30.040 really looking to do is ensure that the 02:42:30.120 --> 02:42:33.639 people who most need our help receive it 02:42:33.719 --> 02:42:36.520 and the people with the means to pay 02:42:36.600 --> 02:42:39.840 their rates to pay it on time or 02:42:39.920 --> 02:42:42.760 alternatively incur interest if 02:42:42.840 --> 02:42:45.159 they if their rates are late but yeah 02:42:45.239 --> 02:42:46.600 certainly the people who need our 02:42:46.680 --> 02:42:48.479 support will continue to receive our 02:42:48.559 --> 02:42:51.120 support if this is passed this 02:42:51.200 --> 02:42:53.680 evening thank you thank you councelor 02:42:53.760 --> 02:42:55.879 Hill are there any other councilors 02:42:55.959 --> 02:42:57.920 wishing to debate thank you councilor 02:42:58.000 --> 02:43:00.719 Oxley thank you I won't be supporting 02:43:00.799 --> 02:43:01.959 this policy this evening and it's not 02:43:02.040 --> 02:43:03.920 because I don't support some of the 02:43:04.000 --> 02:43:05.200 changes that have been made in this 02:43:05.280 --> 02:43:07.040 policy there are some really good 02:43:07.120 --> 02:43:09.959 additions to this policy that will help 02:43:10.040 --> 02:43:12.840 those in need that will help those who 02:43:12.920 --> 02:43:15.000 maybe struggling to pay their rates 02:43:15.079 --> 02:43:17.239 based on a number of different factors 02:43:17.319 --> 02:43:18.719 there's a couple of things and one of 02:43:18.799 --> 02:43:20.040 them might might be something we we may 02:43:20.120 --> 02:43:22.559 be able to change as it's probably 02:43:22.639 --> 02:43:24.799 not a a big thing but something 02:43:24.879 --> 02:43:28.040 that may offend some people coming to 02:43:28.120 --> 02:43:30.200 council for assistance and that is 02:43:30.280 --> 02:43:33.319 before they they're coming to council 02:43:33.399 --> 02:43:35.479 seeking hardship and seeking assistance 02:43:35.559 --> 02:43:38.000 from Council and before they're even 02:43:38.079 --> 02:43:39.520 actually a debtor they're being called a 02:43:39.600 --> 02:43:41.239 debtor in this policy in some of these 02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:43.399 areas rather than being called a rate 02:43:43.479 --> 02:43:44.920 payer which seems to be what we do 02:43:45.000 --> 02:43:46.159 throughout the policy there's still some 02:43:46.239 --> 02:43:47.159 of those areas where they're being 02:43:47.239 --> 02:43:49.479 called a deta 02:43:49.559 --> 02:43:50.920 before they're actually probably 02:43:51.000 --> 02:43:52.879 technically a deta so if that's 02:43:52.959 --> 02:43:55.319 something officers could address perhaps 02:43:55.399 --> 02:43:57.079 just without it needing to come back to 02:43:57.159 --> 02:43:59.399 council just a couple of those word 02:43:59.479 --> 02:44:03.280 changes may may stop people making this 02:44:03.360 --> 02:44:05.559 process even harder for them 02:44:05.639 --> 02:44:07.399 something that I recognize and something 02:44:07.479 --> 02:44:09.479 I know that our family went through when 02:44:09.559 --> 02:44:14.520 I was a kid when you can't pay things 02:44:14.600 --> 02:44:16.680 it's it's really hard for people and 02:44:16.760 --> 02:44:18.079 it's actually really hard for people to 02:44:18.159 --> 02:44:21.680 reach out for support to come H in hand 02:44:21.760 --> 02:44:24.479 to organizations be they you know rates 02:44:24.559 --> 02:44:26.319 be they water be they 02:44:26.399 --> 02:44:30.079 electricity to know that there's a 02:44:30.159 --> 02:44:34.440 chance that Council says no and pay your 02:44:34.520 --> 02:44:36.840 rates and there's some of the things of 02:44:36.920 --> 02:44:39.239 you know if you're paying any private 02:44:39.319 --> 02:44:41.600 school fees or any fee paying Education 02:44:41.680 --> 02:44:43.559 Services you're not considered in 02:44:43.639 --> 02:44:45.000 financial 02:44:45.079 --> 02:44:47.200 hardship I think that's to me is 02:44:47.280 --> 02:44:49.479 probably a bit harsh 02:44:49.559 --> 02:44:51.319 if you're paying any fee paying 02:44:51.399 --> 02:44:54.079 Education Services for your children 02:44:54.159 --> 02:44:56.479 which I'm assing includes paid child 02:44:56.559 --> 02:44:59.479 care paid Kinder anything in that 02:44:59.559 --> 02:45:01.040 instance that you would not be 02:45:01.120 --> 02:45:03.600 considered in financial hardship there's 02:45:03.680 --> 02:45:06.120 a couple of aspects in there that I I 02:45:06.200 --> 02:45:08.440 can't support because I think there 02:45:08.520 --> 02:45:10.159 will be plenty of people in our 02:45:10.239 --> 02:45:11.520 community that still need to send their 02:45:11.600 --> 02:45:13.159 kids to school be that a Catholic school 02:45:13.239 --> 02:45:15.879 that requires small payments but albeit 02:45:15.959 --> 02:45:18.040 still payments required for Education 02:45:18.120 --> 02:45:19.520 Services 02:45:19.600 --> 02:45:21.239 are they to pull their children out of 02:45:21.319 --> 02:45:24.399 schools because they may be finan in 02:45:24.479 --> 02:45:25.879 financial 02:45:25.959 --> 02:45:28.879 hardship when lives get upended anyway 02:45:28.959 --> 02:45:32.479 in these types of scenarios I just think 02:45:32.559 --> 02:45:35.639 perhaps a little more compassion when 02:45:35.719 --> 02:45:37.959 it comes to these types of instances 02:45:38.040 --> 02:45:39.360 particularly given we're seeing the city 02:45:39.440 --> 02:45:41.479 of Frankston this evening they have a 02:45:41.559 --> 02:45:43.239 motion before them and I'll be really 02:45:43.319 --> 02:45:46.280 interested to see the outcome of that 02:45:46.360 --> 02:45:48.600 in terms of their budget process and 02:45:48.680 --> 02:45:52.680 what they will do to address economic 02:45:52.760 --> 02:45:55.040 changes to assist their rate payers one 02:45:55.120 --> 02:45:56.920 of those being potentially implementing 02:45:57.000 --> 02:45:59.479 a rate freeze one of those potentially 02:45:59.559 --> 02:46:02.319 being changing the extension of 02:46:02.399 --> 02:46:03.879 installments for rates and I will seek 02:46:03.959 --> 02:46:06.360 an extension of time please thank you 02:46:06.440 --> 02:46:07.879 I'll Grant you an extension of two 02:46:07.959 --> 02:46:10.639 minutes Council Oxley thank you the 02:46:10.719 --> 02:46:12.719 suspension of Interest again and I note 02:46:12.799 --> 02:46:14.440 that while Council has been 02:46:14.520 --> 02:46:16.719 suspending the interest here at Kingston 02:46:16.799 --> 02:46:19.639 this proposes that we 02:46:19.719 --> 02:46:21.479 continue to charge penalty interest on 02:46:21.559 --> 02:46:23.760 unpaid rates which I'm not necessarily 02:46:23.840 --> 02:46:26.399 against I understand the needs for us 02:46:26.479 --> 02:46:30.280 to reduce the growing debt and those 02:46:30.360 --> 02:46:32.959 people would be considered debtors 02:46:33.040 --> 02:46:34.719 but those seeking financial hardship I 02:46:34.799 --> 02:46:36.319 don't think should be necessarily called 02:46:36.399 --> 02:46:38.440 debts at this point in time there's 02:46:38.520 --> 02:46:40.360 there's a raft of of things that 02:46:40.440 --> 02:46:41.840 Frankston Council are considering this 02:46:41.920 --> 02:46:44.440 evening and I know motions are going up 02:46:44.520 --> 02:46:46.479 before councils across 02:46:46.559 --> 02:46:49.719 Victoria and I think that's just 02:46:49.799 --> 02:46:52.280 addressing the challenges that our rate 02:46:52.360 --> 02:46:54.000 payers are 02:46:54.079 --> 02:46:57.799 facing the hardship that they are going 02:46:57.879 --> 02:47:00.559 through and how difficult times have 02:47:00.639 --> 02:47:03.360 been for rate payers and businesses 02:47:03.440 --> 02:47:05.799 across the city of Kingston as well 02:47:05.879 --> 02:47:07.440 there was an article that came out that 02:47:07.520 --> 02:47:09.600 I think it was three in five 02:47:09.680 --> 02:47:11.399 businesses three in five small 02:47:11.479 --> 02:47:14.159 businesses now have no savings and have 02:47:14.239 --> 02:47:17.399 extended their cash flow and are now in 02:47:17.479 --> 02:47:19.799 debt and 02:47:19.879 --> 02:47:21.600 I think we just need to consider that in 02:47:21.680 --> 02:47:23.399 all of the decisions that we are making 02:47:23.479 --> 02:47:25.879 when we are spending rate pays funds 02:47:25.959 --> 02:47:27.280 when we are considering something like 02:47:27.360 --> 02:47:29.120 our hardship and debt collection policy 02:47:29.200 --> 02:47:32.239 for our rate payers and I understand 02:47:32.319 --> 02:47:35.040 there is a very much a fine line we need 02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:37.559 to draw fundamentally we need to run an 02:47:37.639 --> 02:47:39.319 organization that provides services for 02:47:39.399 --> 02:47:41.760 our rate payers but we also need to 02:47:41.840 --> 02:47:43.479 support our rate payers when they are 02:47:43.559 --> 02:47:45.040 going through difficult 02:47:45.120 --> 02:47:48.319 times and as I said whilst this policy 02:47:48.399 --> 02:47:53.000 adds in some good things and some great 02:47:53.079 --> 02:47:56.040 changes I don't think it goes far enough 02:47:56.120 --> 02:47:58.440 and this was one of the conditions I 02:47:58.520 --> 02:48:01.200 gave when I supported the budget this 02:48:01.280 --> 02:48:03.840 year that this policy needed to be 02:48:03.920 --> 02:48:06.319 pretty good and I don't think it has 02:48:06.399 --> 02:48:08.479 gone far enough this time round and 02:48:08.559 --> 02:48:10.399 would foreshadow following notices of 02:48:10.479 --> 02:48:13.079 motion to make further changes before 02:48:13.159 --> 02:48:15.760 this term is out thank 02:48:15.840 --> 02:48:19.239 you thank you very much Council Oxley 02:48:19.319 --> 02:48:20.639 are there any other counselors wishing 02:48:20.719 --> 02:48:23.440 to debate this 02:48:27.399 --> 02:48:29.680 motion okay councelor Davies would you 02:48:29.760 --> 02:48:30.600 like to 02:48:30.680 --> 02:48:33.559 close no councelors I'll put the item to 02:48:33.639 --> 02:48:35.920 the vote all those in 02:48:36.000 --> 02:48:39.559 favor councelor Eden councelor Davies 02:48:39.639 --> 02:48:41.879 councelor Hill councelor H councelor 02:48:41.959 --> 02:48:45.520 Beasley councel Sab councelor Cochran 02:48:45.600 --> 02:48:49.000 and the mayor and all those against 02:48:49.079 --> 02:48:50.879 councilor 02:48:50.959 --> 02:48:53.319 Oxley and I'll declare that carried 02:48:53.399 --> 02:48:55.719 thank you 02:48:56.280 --> 02:48:59.120 councilors item 12.1 is a notice of 02:48:59.200 --> 02:49:01.680 motion from councilors H and Sab to 02:49:01.760 --> 02:49:05.079 reduce South Road congestion Council 02:49:05.159 --> 02:49:07.319 has the call thank you Madame may I move 02:49:07.399 --> 02:49:10.600 the notice motion on the screen thank 02:49:10.680 --> 02:49:14.760 you councilor s thank you councilor 02:49:14.840 --> 02:49:17.360 H thank you Madame mayor and thank 02:49:17.440 --> 02:49:20.000 you councilor s for seconding the 02:49:20.079 --> 02:49:22.879 motion it is pretty straightforward 02:49:22.959 --> 02:49:25.399 as salur is probably one of the 02:49:25.479 --> 02:49:28.719 busiest role in Kingston and our 02:49:28.799 --> 02:49:30.879 lovely state government has keep 02:49:30.959 --> 02:49:33.680 building those key INF road 02:49:33.760 --> 02:49:36.959 infrastructure such as the M freeways 02:49:37.040 --> 02:49:40.079 da bypass and even denom bypass and 02:49:40.159 --> 02:49:42.600 all of these roads are breeding traffic 02:49:42.680 --> 02:49:46.040 onto South roow and South Ro has only 02:49:46.120 --> 02:49:47.840 three lens and in during the morning 02:49:47.920 --> 02:49:49.879 peak hours a lot of the cars trying 02:49:49.959 --> 02:49:53.120 to turn turning right onto npan Highway 02:49:53.200 --> 02:49:55.680 and other roads therefore blocking 02:49:55.760 --> 02:49:59.440 the right land and the left land 02:49:59.520 --> 02:50:02.639 there's some sections it's pretty 02:50:02.719 --> 02:50:05.479 free and they've already got no stopping 02:50:05.559 --> 02:50:08.239 parking restriction on there and we 02:50:08.319 --> 02:50:11.360 asking for this little section between 02:50:11.440 --> 02:50:14.680 Rowen row and linkon streets where it 02:50:14.760 --> 02:50:16.840 currently doesn't have any parking 02:50:16.920 --> 02:50:19.520 restrictions during the morning PE hours 02:50:19.600 --> 02:50:23.040 and where people just park park 02:50:23.120 --> 02:50:26.440 there which is near the homes 02:50:26.520 --> 02:50:28.959 scand hospital and hom scand T and 02:50:29.040 --> 02:50:30.719 obviously we understand all these 02:50:30.799 --> 02:50:33.559 organizations they already have their 02:50:33.639 --> 02:50:35.559 parking space and planty parking space 02:50:35.639 --> 02:50:38.079 there and people shouldn't be using the 02:50:38.159 --> 02:50:40.000 free parking on the streets during the 02:50:40.079 --> 02:50:42.079 morning peak hours and that's actually 02:50:42.159 --> 02:50:43.959 blocking the left lane and while the 02:50:44.040 --> 02:50:45.760 right lane is been blocked with all the 02:50:45.840 --> 02:50:48.639 right turning traffics so the entire 02:50:48.719 --> 02:50:51.079 also during the morning peak hours has 02:50:51.159 --> 02:50:53.040 only literally one Lan is actually 02:50:53.120 --> 02:50:55.200 moving and that's what we're trying to 02:50:55.280 --> 02:50:57.639 do is this motion and and introduce the 02:50:57.719 --> 02:51:00.399 No No Stopping parking restriction 02:51:00.479 --> 02:51:02.319 for that sections and obviously we're 02:51:02.399 --> 02:51:05.120 not going to touch in the park the 02:51:05.200 --> 02:51:07.200 current parking condition there outside 02:51:07.280 --> 02:51:09.079 of the morning peak hours and we're 02:51:09.159 --> 02:51:11.399 going to keep whatever it's there for 02:51:11.479 --> 02:51:14.719 the retail shops and we're going to keep 02:51:14.799 --> 02:51:17.719 the existing bus Zone we not touching 02:51:17.799 --> 02:51:20.239 that and I think it's pretty 02:51:20.319 --> 02:51:22.479 straightforward and we're looking 02:51:22.559 --> 02:51:25.959 forward to castor's support thank you 02:51:26.040 --> 02:51:27.399 thank you councelor 02:51:27.479 --> 02:51:31.200 H councelor sa thank you Madame mayor 02:51:31.280 --> 02:51:33.440 and incredible big thank you to council 02:51:33.520 --> 02:51:34.719 ha for bringing this to council because 02:51:34.799 --> 02:51:36.639 I do think it's a really important one 02:51:36.719 --> 02:51:38.680 and he did draw attention to all of the 02:51:38.760 --> 02:51:40.479 road infrastructure that does 02:51:40.559 --> 02:51:42.360 actually spill out onto South Road and I 02:51:42.440 --> 02:51:43.639 just think it's a really sensible thing 02:51:43.719 --> 02:51:46.040 for Council to actually explore if 02:51:46.120 --> 02:51:47.959 anyone drives down South Road from any 02:51:48.040 --> 02:51:50.360 time between 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. 02:51:50.440 --> 02:51:53.239 really or 9:30 they'll notice that it 02:51:53.319 --> 02:51:54.959 does shrink down as you're going towards 02:51:55.040 --> 02:51:57.280 the city and then in the same vein as 02:51:57.360 --> 02:51:58.719 you're leaving or any direction that 02:51:58.799 --> 02:52:00.000 you're heading in actually anytime 02:52:00.079 --> 02:52:02.399 between 3 and 6:00 it happens the same 02:52:02.479 --> 02:52:03.799 thing and it's down these particular 02:52:03.879 --> 02:52:06.879 streets that Council has identified 02:52:06.959 --> 02:52:09.319 where we do have parking requirements 02:52:09.399 --> 02:52:11.079 there or there's parking abilities there 02:52:11.159 --> 02:52:13.040 for people to to to park there but it 02:52:13.120 --> 02:52:14.520 means that the street is narrowed down 02:52:14.600 --> 02:52:16.639 from three car Lanes into a two car lane 02:52:16.719 --> 02:52:18.879 and then that holds almost becomes a 02:52:18.959 --> 02:52:20.399 bottleneck and it floods all the way 02:52:20.479 --> 02:52:22.879 back down and you can kind of notice it 02:52:22.959 --> 02:52:25.559 in those peak times that I suggested 02:52:25.639 --> 02:52:27.559 what's really important though and 02:52:27.639 --> 02:52:29.120 you know we we were pretty careful or we 02:52:29.200 --> 02:52:30.360 tried to be pretty careful with how we 02:52:30.440 --> 02:52:33.120 worded it but because South Road sits on 02:52:33.200 --> 02:52:34.479 one side of South Road sits in 02:52:34.559 --> 02:52:36.600 Kingston's boundaries and the other 02:52:36.680 --> 02:52:38.840 side sits in glena's boundaries we were 02:52:38.920 --> 02:52:41.040 really hoping just to encourage Glenn to 02:52:41.120 --> 02:52:42.319 inform them that this is something that 02:52:42.399 --> 02:52:43.719 we would be exploring and maybe just 02:52:43.799 --> 02:52:44.799 suggest that that was something that 02:52:44.879 --> 02:52:46.520 they could do as well in partnership in 02:52:46.600 --> 02:52:47.520 the hopes that that was something that 02:52:47.600 --> 02:52:49.440 we could look at cuz I do think in 02:52:49.520 --> 02:52:51.639 those particular peak times it is 02:52:51.719 --> 02:52:53.520 important that we can get traffic 02:52:53.600 --> 02:52:56.760 flowing as needed that's basically 02:52:56.840 --> 02:52:57.879 and I think it's a sensible one and I 02:52:57.959 --> 02:53:00.239 hope Council support it this evening 02:53:00.319 --> 02:53:02.120 thank you councelor 02:53:02.200 --> 02:53:04.799 Sab are there any councilors wishing to 02:53:04.879 --> 02:53:07.440 debate the 02:53:10.000 --> 02:53:13.000 motion Council H would you like to close 02:53:13.079 --> 02:53:15.200 or like Council Beasley to speak thank 02:53:15.280 --> 02:53:17.719 you I just wanted to say it's very well 02:53:17.799 --> 02:53:20.959 thought out and as they as councelor hu 02:53:21.040 --> 02:53:23.280 was talking about I'm just like nodding 02:53:23.360 --> 02:53:25.600 internally to myself because this 02:53:25.680 --> 02:53:27.600 really has been a problem for quite some 02:53:27.680 --> 02:53:31.000 time so I think this is you know this is 02:53:31.079 --> 02:53:35.479 really like absolutely needed and 02:53:35.559 --> 02:53:38.479 I do hope Glenn Ira follow our 02:53:38.559 --> 02:53:39.680 lead thank 02:53:39.760 --> 02:53:43.520 you thank you councelor 02:53:43.760 --> 02:53:46.200 Beasley thank you councilors I'll put 02:53:46.280 --> 02:53:49.959 this item to the vote all those in favor 02:53:50.040 --> 02:53:52.760 favor I declare that carried unanimously 02:53:52.840 --> 02:53:55.120 thank 02:53:55.840 --> 02:53:58.280 you counselors I don't believe we have 02:53:58.360 --> 02:54:01.559 any items of urgent 02:54:01.639 --> 02:54:07.280 business next item on the agenda is 14.1 02:54:07.360 --> 02:54:09.520 the new Aquatic and Leisure Center 02:54:09.600 --> 02:54:12.159 facility 02:54:12.239 --> 02:54:15.079 management and I believe we need to ask 02:54:15.159 --> 02:54:17.879 counselors for a motion to move into 02:54:17.959 --> 02:54:18.760 confidence 02:54:18.840 --> 02:54:21.360 thank you councelor second and counselor 02:54:21.440 --> 02:54:25.799 Davies oops sorry one second 02:54:25.879 --> 02:54:29.159 sorry councelors are you 02:54:29.239 --> 02:54:32.600 moving you're voting you'd like to speak 02:54:32.680 --> 02:54:34.040 to it okay thank you I'll come right 02:54:34.120 --> 02:54:36.079 back to you so that was councelor Davies 02:54:36.159 --> 02:54:39.399 and H moving is that right yes sorry and 02:54:39.479 --> 02:54:42.879 do either of you wish to speak 02:54:42.959 --> 02:54:45.600 no thank you councelor 02:54:45.680 --> 02:54:49.040 Oxley thank you I would like to 02:54:49.120 --> 02:54:50.799 oppose moving into confidential for this 02:54:50.879 --> 02:54:54.280 item and the reason being is I don't 02:54:54.360 --> 02:54:56.760 actually believe that the motion that we 02:54:56.840 --> 02:55:00.479 would be voting on is confidential I 02:55:00.559 --> 02:55:03.159 don't believe it contains confidential 02:55:03.239 --> 02:55:05.159 information and because it's 02:55:05.239 --> 02:55:09.079 currently deemed confidential based on 02:55:09.159 --> 02:55:11.840 advice we've been given I can't tell 02:55:11.920 --> 02:55:14.799 the community what that motion might be 02:55:14.879 --> 02:55:17.239 but I don't believe that actually the 02:55:17.319 --> 02:55:18.639 premise of the motion would be 02:55:18.719 --> 02:55:20.159 considered confidential under the Local 02:55:20.239 --> 02:55:23.000 Government Act so my reason for 02:55:23.079 --> 02:55:25.719 speaking today is I believe it will be 02:55:25.799 --> 02:55:27.360 the same number for members of the 02:55:27.440 --> 02:55:28.920 community who might be reading the 02:55:29.000 --> 02:55:31.760 agenda but at the end of the agenda 02:55:31.840 --> 02:55:33.799 where it lists confidential items and 02:55:33.879 --> 02:55:36.120 what I'm now saying is I believe 02:55:36.200 --> 02:55:38.000 publicly available because it is in the 02:55:38.079 --> 02:55:41.239 public agenda we're at lists item 14.1 02:55:41.319 --> 02:55:43.440 new Aquatic and Leisure Center facility 02:55:43.520 --> 02:55:45.879 management it lists this item as being 02:55:45.959 --> 02:55:47.920 confidential and the explanation as to 02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:49.920 why the specified grounds apply from The 02:55:50.000 --> 02:55:51.840 Local Government Act is that the report 02:55:51.920 --> 02:55:54.079 contains details of an option for 02:55:54.159 --> 02:55:56.360 Contracting Council services to an 02:55:56.440 --> 02:55:58.760 external organization should Council 02:55:58.840 --> 02:56:00.680 resolve in the favor of this option the 02:56:00.760 --> 02:56:02.239 report would prematurely release 02:56:02.319 --> 02:56:04.200 sensitive information that could Impact 02:56:04.280 --> 02:56:06.040 Staff and future commercial 02:56:06.120 --> 02:56:07.799 negotiations the reason why I wanted to 02:56:07.879 --> 02:56:09.799 raise this this evening is I believe 02:56:09.879 --> 02:56:12.040 that what we would be voting on is in 02:56:12.120 --> 02:56:14.600 the community's interest to know I 02:56:14.680 --> 02:56:15.840 believe that there could have been parts 02:56:15.920 --> 02:56:17.559 of that report that we're indeed 02:56:17.639 --> 02:56:19.159 confidential and should be confidential 02:56:19.239 --> 02:56:20.920 under the Local Government Act that 02:56:21.000 --> 02:56:22.680 could have been put in a confidential 02:56:22.760 --> 02:56:25.079 appendic as we see with another item in 02:56:25.159 --> 02:56:28.000 this report that's listed as 10.3 which 02:56:28.079 --> 02:56:29.639 did have confidential information in it 02:56:29.719 --> 02:56:31.680 that was included in the confidential 02:56:31.760 --> 02:56:35.399 section of this agenda I believe that 02:56:35.479 --> 02:56:38.120 this has been put like other items that 02:56:38.200 --> 02:56:40.120 I've seen in this Council in the 02:56:40.200 --> 02:56:43.239 confidential section to hide things from 02:56:43.319 --> 02:56:45.600 the community 02:56:45.680 --> 02:56:47.719 unnecessarily when Council makes 02:56:47.799 --> 02:56:50.239 decisions 02:56:50.840 --> 02:56:54.120 on whether that be the sale of assets 02:56:54.200 --> 02:56:57.079 whether that be management of facilities 02:56:57.159 --> 02:56:58.520 whether that be anything that would be 02:56:58.600 --> 02:57:01.280 in the community interest I believe that 02:57:01.360 --> 02:57:04.440 we should be making those decisions 02:57:04.520 --> 02:57:06.719 publicly counselors I believe are well 02:57:06.799 --> 02:57:08.680 aware of their obligations under the 02:57:08.760 --> 02:57:10.639 Local Government Act to ensure that 02:57:10.719 --> 02:57:12.799 confidential information remains 02:57:12.879 --> 02:57:16.040 confidential and could debate this item 02:57:16.120 --> 02:57:17.600 without releasing confidential 02:57:17.680 --> 02:57:19.280 information 02:57:19.360 --> 02:57:21.520 I would like to ask publicly that 02:57:21.600 --> 02:57:26.319 officers develop a guideline a practice 02:57:26.399 --> 02:57:28.239 note or whatever it is we'd like to call 02:57:28.319 --> 02:57:31.239 it for the management of confidential 02:57:31.319 --> 02:57:33.319 information and how we can be as 02:57:33.399 --> 02:57:35.799 transparent as we possibly can with the 02:57:35.879 --> 02:57:37.879 community because there have now been a 02:57:37.959 --> 02:57:39.799 couple of examples in previous meetings 02:57:39.879 --> 02:57:42.479 and this one where I do believe that the 02:57:42.559 --> 02:57:44.360 information and the decision that 02:57:44.440 --> 02:57:47.239 Council would be making should be made 02:57:47.319 --> 02:57:48.959 publicly in the interests of the 02:57:49.040 --> 02:57:51.319 community being aware of what council is 02:57:51.399 --> 02:57:54.280 doing with their 02:57:54.360 --> 02:57:56.879 assets how we manage 02:57:56.959 --> 02:57:59.079 assets and to ensure that we are 02:57:59.159 --> 02:58:01.239 transparent Council will probably still 02:58:01.319 --> 02:58:04.079 make this information confidential but I 02:58:04.159 --> 02:58:05.920 believe that it should be public so that 02:58:06.000 --> 02:58:09.680 the community understands what's going 02:58:09.760 --> 02:58:12.200 on thank you councilor 02:58:12.280 --> 02:58:14.799 Oxley councelor 02:58:14.879 --> 02:58:17.079 Beasley just I'd like to point out I 02:58:17.159 --> 02:58:19.040 asked the same question at a CIS 02:58:19.120 --> 02:58:20.479 unfortunately you weren't present at 02:58:20.559 --> 02:58:23.120 that CIS and and the answer that the 02:58:23.200 --> 02:58:26.079 officers gave me m was made me feel 02:58:26.159 --> 02:58:28.479 quite comfortable to keep it where it is 02:58:28.559 --> 02:58:30.920 for now but we can debate it and then 02:58:31.000 --> 02:58:33.879 debate that it goes into 02:58:33.959 --> 02:58:36.440 public thank you councilors is any 02:58:36.520 --> 02:58:39.239 further debate 02:58:40.440 --> 02:58:43.200 required councelor Davies you moved 02:58:43.280 --> 02:58:44.799 the motion would you like to 02:58:44.879 --> 02:58:48.280 close thank you yes mayor we did 02:58:48.360 --> 02:58:51.200 actually get some information at a CIS 02:58:51.280 --> 02:58:54.200 about when matters are confidential when 02:58:54.280 --> 02:58:56.120 they are required to be confidential 02:58:56.200 --> 02:59:00.000 under the Local Government Act and 02:59:00.079 --> 02:59:02.639 whether matters that are confidential 02:59:02.719 --> 02:59:07.120 may have in them things which are not 02:59:07.200 --> 02:59:09.760 confidential but the entire report to a 02:59:09.840 --> 02:59:13.479 certain extent is impacted by the 02:59:13.559 --> 02:59:17.200 confidential items so I do rely upon 02:59:17.280 --> 02:59:19.040 the fact that governance have considered 02:59:19.120 --> 02:59:21.600 this report and the fact that it does 02:59:21.680 --> 02:59:23.319 need to be confidential under the Local 02:59:23.399 --> 02:59:25.680 Government Act and as such I do believe 02:59:25.760 --> 02:59:27.799 we need to move into a confidential 02:59:27.879 --> 02:59:29.879 session thank you thank you councelor 02:59:29.959 --> 02:59:31.879 Davies I'll put this to the vote all 02:59:31.959 --> 02:59:33.159 those in 02:59:33.239 --> 02:59:35.879 favor thank 02:59:35.959 --> 02:59:38.920 you all those 02:59:39.000 --> 02:59:41.600 abstaining and all of those 02:59:41.680 --> 02:59:45.120 against thank you councilor Aiden was 02:59:45.200 --> 02:59:47.239 against thank you that's everyone voting 02:59:47.319 --> 02:59:49.479 thank you I declare that 02:59:49.559 --> 02:59:53.000 carried we will now move into one item 02:59:53.079 --> 02:59:53.799 of 02:59:53.879 --> 02:59:56.760 confidential nature 02:59:56.840 --> 03:00:02.760 and to the public at 10:18 p.m. thank 03:00:03.239 --> 03:00:05.600 you and the meeting open to members of 03:00:05.680 --> 03:00:09.319 the public at 10:27 p.m. thank you 03:00:09.399 --> 03:00:11.000 councilors for conducting such a 03:00:11.079 --> 03:00:12.760 respectful thoughtful and considered 03:00:12.840 --> 03:00:14.639 debate this evening it was very much 03:00:14.719 --> 03:00:17.000 appreciated and for all your assistance 03:00:17.079 --> 03:00:18.639 and look forward to seeing you all again 03:00:18.719 --> 03:00:20.639 soon thank you to our officers for your 03:00:20.719 --> 03:00:25.399 support and your work good night