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online from home. Before we begin, the

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City of Kingston proudly acknowledges

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the Bunurong people of the Kulin

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Nation as the traditional owners and

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custodians of this land, and we pay our

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respects to their Elders, past, present,

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and emerging. Before we begin tonight's

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proceedings, I'd like to address an

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administrative matter regarding the

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publication of this month's council

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meeting agenda. You may have noticed

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that the agenda had been published on

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our website in separate parts with the

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council meeting reports provided in one

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document and the supporting appendices

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provided in another. This approach is

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not our usual practice and we

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 acknowledge that it may

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have caused some inconvenience for

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counselors and members of the public

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viewing the due to the size of this

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month's agenda and it is a big one. It

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was necessary to publish in this way to

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ensure that all materials could be made

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available in a timely and accessible

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way. We recognize that it's not ideal

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and we're currently working to upgrade

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our agenda management software to handle

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those larger agendas. This will help

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ensure that in the future all of those

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meeting materials can be published in a

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more userfriendly format. So, we do

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apologize for any inconvenience that may

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have caused anyone viewing the agenda

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online.

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For the purposes of transparency, this

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public meeting is also being recorded

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and streamed live on the internet. The

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recording will be archived and available

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on council's website

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www.kingston.vic.gov.au

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however, for the purposes of public

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safety, this public meeting is also

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being recorded via CCTV.

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Audio may be heard over the live stream

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are turned on. However, discussion held

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maintain your privacy. However, as a

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visitor in our public gallery, your

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presence may be recorded. I'd like to

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thank everyone who is attending in our

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public gallery and for those viewing the

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meeting online. However, I would like to

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remind all attendees that disruption,

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interjection, and participation in

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council meetings is in is in an

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observatory capacity only unless

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otherwise directed by the chair. Please

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also note that operating photographic

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audio or video recording equipment or

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any other recording device is also

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prohibited during the meeting. For

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accessibility purposes, electronic

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agendas via iPads are available in the

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gallery. Closed captioning is also

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available for members of the public who

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are streaming this meeting via our

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website. Before we commence the meeting,

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I will also briefly explain the voting

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system. All votes taken during a council

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meeting are recorded in the official

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minutes. Voting is conducted by a show

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of hands and the outcome of a motion is

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determined by a majority of votes in

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favor with the chair having a casting

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vote if the result is tied. A councelor

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may cast a vote for or against a motion

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or alternatively choose to abstain from

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voting. However, under section 615E of

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the Local Government Act 2020, if a

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councelor does not cast a vote by

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choosing to abstain, that is counted as

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a vote against the motion when

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determining the result of a vote.

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We'll now move on to the agenda and item

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one in the agenda is apologies and I

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don't believe we have any apologies. We

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have a full contingent of counselors

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this evening.

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Item two, which is the confirmation of

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minutes of the previous meeting. Do I

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have a motion to confirm those minutes?

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Moved, councilor Agirtan and seconded,

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councelor O'Donnell. Is there any

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discussion required?

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There being none, I will put that to the

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vote. All those in favor?

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That is carried unanimously.

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We'll move on to item three, which is

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foreshadowed declarations by councilors,

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officers, or contractors of any

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conflicts of interest this evening.

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Councelor Hill.

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Yes. Thank you, Madame Mayor. I'd just

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like to foreshadow a general conflict of

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interest on item 12.5 on the agenda.

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Thank you. We'll note that.

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Are there any other conflicts of

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interest this evening?

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There being none, we'll move to item

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four, which is petitions. And we have

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received no petitions for tonight's

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meeting. Item five is delegates reports,

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council statements, and presentation of

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awards. Are there any councilors wishing

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to make a statement this evening?

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Councilor White.

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So, I just wanted to give our 

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community a bit of an update. We started

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a parliamentary petition for the

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Kingswood Golf Course  development

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late last year and we recently hit

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our 2,000 signatures, which was

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fantastic. And it was a lot a lot of

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work. So, people might have seen me out

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and about scurrying around for signatures.

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I'd like to thank Kevin Poulter for

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putting the petition together. I'd like

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to thank  from Save Kingswood. I'd

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like to thank Ann Marie Herman's our local

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Liberal Upper House MP for sponsoring

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the petition. I'd like to thank everyone

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that helped  get the signatures in the

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end. It was a big push and what that

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means is it'll get heard in September

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this year.  gives us 30 minutes air

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time on the issue of parliament and 

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the Labor government is supposed to

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respond whether they do or not is

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another thing.  but at this point in

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time considering we don't have a VCAT

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appeal to rely on  the media and

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exposure is our next best option. So,

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 thanks to everyone who signed the

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petition getting our

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parliamentarians and the government

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speaking about it in parliament is what

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we need right now to get the media and

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exposure that Kingswood warrants.

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Thanks.

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Thank you, Councelor White. Are there

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any other council statements or

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delegates reports this evening?

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There being none, can I have a motion

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that we receive that councelor

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statement? Moved to councelor

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Athanasopoulos. Seconded, councelor

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Agirtan.

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All those in favor

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that is carried unanimously.

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We'll now move to item six which is

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items for tableabling under the local

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government act 2020. Item 6.1 involves

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the tableabling of the independent

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arbittor's determination and statement

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of reasons as published in the agenda

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which is a requirement of section 1474

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of the local government act 2020. As

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this item is not for council

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consideration and has been tabled only

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for recording in the minutes. We will

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now move to public question time.

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Thank you Mayor Oxley and thank you to

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those who submitted questions this

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evening. Please note the governance

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rules have been applied to all

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questions. There are a total of 10

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questions submitted for tonight's

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ordinary council meeting. Please note

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that any preamble submitted with

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questions will not be read out. Similar

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questions will be grouped together with

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one response provided.

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First two questions are from Julie

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in reference to item 8.3, the heritage

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review of 9 to11 Gladston Avenue,

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Aspendale. Because the decisions made

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tonight carry enormous permanent

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implications to my family and our

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property, will councilors commit to

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deferring the vote on item 8.3 in

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reference to 9 to11 Gladston Avenue,

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Aspendale to allow time for an urgent

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site visit and meaningful consultation.

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Second question, unlike other

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properties, 9 to11 Gladston Avenue,

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Aspendale is not a Victorian or

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federation period place and it was not

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nominated in 2020 but in 2025. Why is

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this property being nominated at this

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time given the lack of time for

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meaningful consultation? I'll ask

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council's general manager planning a

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place, Mr. Jonathan Goodman, to respond.

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Thank you. and through you, Madame

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Mayor. In response to question one and

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in relation to item 8.3 on tonight's

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agenda following the council resolution

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in October 2025, the draft heritage

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assessment of 9 to11 Gladston Avenue was

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sent to the owner approximately 2 weeks

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before the consultation was open to the

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wider community on the 21st of November

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2025. The consultation then remained

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open until the 13th of February 2026.

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officers undertook a site visit with the

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land owner and GML Heritage on the 20th

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of November 2025.

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On the basis council were to proceed in

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accordance with the officer

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recommendation, additional consultation

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would occur as part of the statutory

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planning scheme amendment process if the

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amendment were authorized to proceed. In

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response to question two, the executive

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director, Heritage Victoria, nominated

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the properties at 9-11 Gladstone

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Avenue, Aspendale to the Victorian

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Heritage Register. The nomination was

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made following the suggestion of a group

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of imminent architects and architectural

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historians convened by Heritage Victoria

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to advise on post-war buildings that

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have the potential for inclusion in the

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Victorian Heritage Register. In December

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2024, Heritage Victoria determined that

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9 to11 Gladston Avenue aspendal did not

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meet the threshold for significance at a

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state level and is not to be included in

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the Victorian Heritage Register. But the

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recommendation and any submissions are

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referred to the relevant planning

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authority for consideration for an

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amendment to the planning scheme. In

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light of the referral from Heritage

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Victoria, the significant and

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wellocumented cultural, social, and

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architectural history of the site, it

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was considered appropriate that the site

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be assessed for local heritage

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significance as part of the current

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process. Thank you. The next question is

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from Shane. In reference to item 8.3,

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the heritage review of 9 to11 Gladston

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Avenue, Aspendale, can a decision

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regarding the inclusion of 9 to11

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Gladston Avenue in the heritage overlay

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be voted on at a later meeting to allow

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time for the current owner to seek

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further peer review and consult with

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councils. Again, I'll ask Mr. Goodman to

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respond.

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 thank you. As identified in the

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previous response, engagement has

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occurred with the land owner during

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November 2025 and a consultation process

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continued to the 13th of February 2026.

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The current report seeks council

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resolution to commence a planning scheme

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amendment process. The planning scheme

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amendment process would entail further

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consultation including public exhibition

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of the amendment for six weeks and the

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invitation for submissions to be made

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during the exhibition period. On the

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basis this process were to occur,

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sufficient time would be provided to the

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land owner to seek further peer review

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in relation to this matter.

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Question from Jacob. In  reference

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to item 8.3, the heritage review of 9-11

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Gladstone Avenue, Aspendale. Can a

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decision regarding the inclusion of 9

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to11 Gladston Avenue in the heritage

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overlay be voted on at a later meeting

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to allow time for the removal of 911

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Gladston Avenue from the citation so

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that the owners can proceed with their

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plans without undue costs and red tape.

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Again I'll ask Mr. Goodman to respond.

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Thank you and through you Madame Mayor.

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As reinforced from the previous

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responses to questions this matter is

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subject to consideration as part of item

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8.3 on tonight's council meeting.

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Officers have met with the land owner to

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discuss their plans for the property and

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the implications of the heritage overlay

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should it ultimately be applied to the

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site. This has included most recently

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the offer of a second meeting

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accompanied by council's heritage

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advisor. Subject to council resolution,

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this could be accommodated through the

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second consultation phase as part of the

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public exhibition of the amendment. The

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heritage overlay does not prohibit a

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form of development. It enables an owner

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to apply for a planning permit to

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develop their land, including

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alterations and extensions. A planning

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permit is required for alterations

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within a heritage overlay to ensure

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modifications do not harm the

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architectural, historical, or cultural

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significance of the property or

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precinct. It ensures that changes are

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sympathetic to the building's heritage

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character.

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Question from Aaron. In relation to 9

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to11 Gladston Avenue, Aspendale, council

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has recommended a single heritage

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listing over what were originally two

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separate dwellings, Reed House and the

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Moa House. On what basis could council

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consider it appropriate to apply a

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blanket heritage significance when there

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is clear and documented disparity

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between the two houses originality,

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integrity, and authenticity? Mr. Goodman

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to respond.

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Thank you. And through you, Madame

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Mayor. Again, this matter is a subject

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of consideration as part of item 8.3 on

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tonight's agenda. There are many forms

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of heritage controls including

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individual serial and precinct listings.

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Commonly where two physically connected

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buildings of heritage significance exist

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on a single property, a single heritage

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citation is proposed. This ensures that

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the buildings can be considered

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holistically in terms of the extent to

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which alterations of one structure may

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have an impact on the appearance of the

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other.

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Question from Rose. At the third time of

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asking this council with regard to

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Kingswood redevelopment, please advise

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residents why the council stated in its

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affidavit submitted to VCAT in December

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2025 that he could not recall the date

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when it first engaged external legal

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advice. I I'll ask Mr. Goodman, general

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manager planning and place to respond.

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Thank you. And again through you, Madame

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Mayor. The question tabled at the April

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ordinary council meeting included an

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incomplete mobile number with this

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matter now being clarified. The question

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tabled at the May council meeting

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included a complete number and officers

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have called and emailed Rose to assist

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her with her inquiry.

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Next question is from Arena. With regard

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to the council's governance rules and

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policies, please advise on what basis it

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is acceptable for a Kingston Council

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grant recipient to wrongfully and very

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publicly attack an elected counselor.

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Yet the grant recipient continued to

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receive grant money from Kingston

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Council. I'll ask Council's general

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manager, customer and corporate support,

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Dan Hogan, to respond.

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Thank you, Mr. CEO. Without

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understanding the specifics, Arena, in

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general, grant monies would only be

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withheld upon a demonstrated breach of

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the grant funding agreement signed by

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any recipient, group, or in general,

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there are no restrictions relating to

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freedom of expression of community

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members, where the grant recipient.

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Next question is from Jeffrey. Will the

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city of Kingston allow unelected

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indigenous committee members to override

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elected council members decision on

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planning applications? I'll ask council

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general manager planning and place

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Jonathan Goodman to respond.

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Thank you and through you madame mayor.

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Much of the city of Kingston is covered

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by areas as by areas identified as

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having cultural heritage sensitivity and

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council routinely considers various

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applications under the Planning and

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Environment Act 1987 and in accordance

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with the Aboriginal Heritage Act 2006

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and the Aboriginal Heritage Regulations

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2018.

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Given the highly urbanized nature of

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Kingston, it is only in rare

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circumstances that the application of of

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the Aboriginal heritage regulations

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create substantive requirements

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associated with the development of land.

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Such circumstances generally occur on

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land that is largely previously

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undisturbed and the assessment process

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has been beneficial in identifying and

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preserving items holding high cultural

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sensitivity.

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It is appropriate that where significant

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issues are identified, they are further

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assessed by parties who hold experience

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in relation to matters of Aboriginal

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cultural heritage to ensure that the

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assessment undertaken is robust.

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Council has not been made aware that any

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substantive changes to the assessment of

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planning applications is to occur that

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would alter the involvement of unelected

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indigenous committee members.

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Next question is from Rosemary West re

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item 8.3. Will there be an opportunity

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for residents who may have been unaware

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of council's heritage review

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consultation to nominate further

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buildings for local heritage listing

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prior to or after approval of the

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planning scheme amendment. I'll ask Mr.

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Cman to respond.

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Thank you and through you, Madame Mayor.

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As identified, the question relates to

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item 8.3 on tonight's agenda.

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The report to council makes clear that a

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15-week consultation period has been

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completed.

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Council has not resolved to seek further

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nominations at this time and the report

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focuses on the sites identified on page

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62 of tonight's agenda.

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Have a second question from Rosemary

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West regarding item 8.1 in tonight's

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agenda. Are the canopy trees removed in

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accordance to council permits required

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to be replaced? and if so, how many

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trees in each canopy tree replaced? I'll

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ask Mr. Goodman to respond.

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 through you, Madame Mayor and maybe

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just for context, um Ms. West's question

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relates to seven different planning

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applications and our response is as

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follows. The question provided by

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Rosemary would require an assessment of

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each of the planning permit decisions to

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determine the extent of existing

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vegetation that was subject to

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assessment and the conditions

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consequentially proposed for replacement

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planting. Officers will review each of

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the applications and provide an email

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response to Rosemary.

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That concludes public questions. Mayor

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Oxford,

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thank you and thank you again to all of

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our submitters. We do value your

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questions to council each and every

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month.

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We'll now move to item 8.1, the town

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planning application decisions for April

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2026. Do I have a motion councilors?

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Councelor How and seconded councelor

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O'Donnell. The officer recommendation.

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Thank you.

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I don't believe there's any discussion

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required.

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I will put that to the vote. All those

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in favor

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that is councelor how councelor

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O'Donnell councelor Athanasopoulos

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councelor Agirtan councelor Reanus

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councelor Sab councelor Ashworth Colette

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councelor Hill and myself all those

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against and abstaining councelor white

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that is carried

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thank you we'll move to item 8.2 Two,

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the response to resolution suburban rail

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loop and activity center program

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infrastructure needs. A motion

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councilors

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the officer recommendation council

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white.

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Thank you. A seconder council Agirtan

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do you wish to speak to the motion?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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All right. So this motion originally

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came um from what would be the

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responsible need to know 

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basically if Kingston has the

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infrastructure to deal with the

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development that's getting dumped on

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them by the Labor government.  you

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know the drainage here wasn't made for

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high-rise apartments. Um we can't get in

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and out of our suburbs as it is. um you

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know they're stealing our open space

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left, right, and center etc etc. So the

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report doesn't really give us any more

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answers  with regards to that but it

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will be coming back again which is good.

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Um what I did want to note was  that

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with regards to  the issues that we're

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having in the area

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um Melbourne Water has started doing um

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flood mapping, new flood mapping around

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Melbourne.  they've done Daraban. Now

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in Daraban the flood the flood zone went

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from

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9,270

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properties were were currently listed 

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as a flood risk. Now in Daraban they

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have nearly 40,000 properties listed as

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flood risk. Um in Yara they had 

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nearly 10,000 as flood risk and they've

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now got nearly 22,000

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as a flood risk. So, when I spoke to the

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mayor today, um she agreed with me

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because our new flood modeling wasn't

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going to come in until next year. 

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council, we will be writing a letter to

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Melbourne Water advocating 

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considering the type of development

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they're dumping on us  that our flood

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flood modeling is um updated and  as

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soon as possible as a matter of urgency

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and um I look forward to the report

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coming back again so that we can have

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another look at it.

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Thank you councelor White. Council

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Agotam reserve are there any other

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counselors on this matter?

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Councelor O'Donnell.

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Oh,

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try again. You might need to just grab

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one of the other microphones. Nope. No,

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just grab one of the other microphones.

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Apologies.

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Try that one.

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That one's there.

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Green.

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Um, I just want to support councelor

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White and the discussion that she's had

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with the mayor today as well in regards

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to the flood modeling from Melbourne

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Water. It is a matter of urgency that

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the city of Kingston be presented with

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this data

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because we are facing huge planning

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decisions without this being considered

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at all. We have two golf courses

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currently

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at different stages, but this modeling

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is so important moving forward to make

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sure that we do have the right

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information presented that our residents

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are well aware of what they're facing.

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We already know of the difficulties

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getting insurance in some areas and this

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is a matter of urgency. So, Melbourne

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Water, time to get moving.

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Thank you, Councelor O'Donnell. Any

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other counselors?

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There being none, I will put that to the

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vote. All those in favor?

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That is carried unanimously.

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Thank you. We'll move to item 8.3, the

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heritage review. Council O'Donnell,

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I'd like to move an alternate

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an alternate motion. Motion, please.

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Thank you.

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That is moved. Councelor O'Donnell

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seconded. Councelor White.

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Just with the  through lines, can we

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remove those please?

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Thank you,

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Council O'Donnell.

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Thank you, Mayor Oxley. Um, I have

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personally been in contact with the

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owners of 911 Gladston Avenue, Aspendale.

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Um, pretty special, impressive house.

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, the the conditions that this has

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come under, yes, they have they were

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recommended for heritage review. , but

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not as usually would take place. So,

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this particular home has significant

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artistic families connected to it along

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with the Rolling Stones attending there.

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Um, pretty cool. I know Aspendale and

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that's no surprises why they went there.

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Um, however,

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imposing a heritage listing on this

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particular house, I believe and support

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the owners that it is it's not fair for

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them. um they do not support this. We've

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heard from the questions that took place

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this evening and I stand with them and

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the and the phone calls and the emails

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and the conversations that we've had. Um

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hence why the

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what I've amended right now, the

00:24:31.840 --> 00:24:34.840
alternate motion right now,  because

00:24:35.360 --> 00:24:38.216
they deserve a voice. Um I can only

00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:39.976
imagine what it's like to have this

00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.936
imposed on your property  that you

00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.856
aren't supporting. you don't feel that

00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.255
you've had enough time. They are very

00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:48.936
passionate about the the property and

00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.960
the house that they own. They will have

00:24:52.080 --> 00:24:55.080
certainly strongly spoken that they have

00:24:55.360 --> 00:24:58.360
great plans in the future. Don't

00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:00.696
do anything drastic. They really they

00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:02.296
purchased this place because they do

00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:05.320
love it. Um, so I'm moving this

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:09.000
alternate tonight a to support the

00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.000
residents of 9 to11 Gladston Avenue in

00:25:13.600 --> 00:25:16.135
Aspendale. But I've also received really

00:25:16.159 --> 00:25:18.535
positive feedback from other owners

00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.559
whose homes are listed for Heritage and

00:25:21.919 --> 00:25:24.919
they are hugely supportive of this. This

00:25:25.360 --> 00:25:28.216
is why the owner should have a say in

00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.240
what is being done to potentially

00:25:31.520 --> 00:25:34.216
the asset that is securing their future,

00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:37.096
securing their family's future. Owning a

00:25:37.120 --> 00:25:38.856
home these days can be considered a

00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.880
privilege at times, but to be imposing

00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.255
certain policies in planning on what can

00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.336
and can't be done and the cost that

00:25:47.360 --> 00:25:50.360
potentially comes with that, I believe

00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.216
strongly that the owner should have a

00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.736
say in this and hence why I'm moving

00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:55.736
this this evening. Thank you.

00:25:55.760 --> 00:25:57.496
Thank you, Councelor O'Donnell. Council

00:25:57.520 --> 00:26:00.520
White,

00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:08.135
do you know what this reminds me of?

00:26:08.159 --> 00:26:11.159
That time, that time where council

00:26:11.600 --> 00:26:13.736
thought it might be a good idea to

00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:15.976
restrict people's access to their

00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.936
beachfront properties.

00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.960
I mean, it just feels like this is

00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.255
people's livelihoods, like it's their

00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.496
whole life.

00:26:27.520 --> 00:26:30.520
And every month something comes through

00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.736
where I I don't know what we're trying

00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:36.760
to interfere with that.

00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.976
I don't know what it is, but it's really

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.000
a bit of a disgrace. Um, so I'll be

00:26:43.600 --> 00:26:46.600
supporting the alternate motion tonight.

00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.015
, because, you know, I've received

00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.255
some concerning emails regarding the

00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:54.279
report as well. Um, so yeah, I I won't

00:26:55.600 --> 00:26:58.600
be supporting um, you know, taking away

00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.640
property owners rights either.

00:27:01.679 --> 00:27:04.056
Thank you, councelor White. A question,

00:27:04.080 --> 00:27:07.080
councelor O'Donnell.

00:27:11.919 --> 00:27:14.919
Are you referring to section one?

00:27:15.120 --> 00:27:16.936
No, I'm going to say no because it says

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:18.775
note the feedback obtained in relation

00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.936
to the report. So, you're just noting

00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:21.655
the feedback.

00:27:21.679 --> 00:27:23.895
Yeah. Point two is then the actioning

00:27:23.919 --> 00:27:26.919
and point 3 is the actioning four five.

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.056
Makes sense.

00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:33.080
Thank you councelor Sab.

00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:35.655
Thank you. Um I want to acknowledge from

00:27:35.679 --> 00:27:37.655
the outset that heritage overlays and

00:27:37.679 --> 00:27:39.416
planning amendments can be deeply

00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.895
personal matters for residents.  for

00:27:41.919 --> 00:27:43.176
many people and we've kind of heard it

00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.176
from other counselors, their home is not

00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.736
um it's not just a planning asset or a

00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:49.416
line on a map. It's their largest

00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.816
investment. it's their family history if

00:27:51.840 --> 00:27:54.616
they've um if they've acquired it

00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.336
through um family means  and something

00:27:57.360 --> 00:27:58.936
they've worked incredibly hard for

00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.336
often. So I do understand why some

00:28:01.360 --> 00:28:03.015
residents become concerned or anxious

00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:04.535
when their property is proposed for

00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.936
heritage protection. Um concerns around

00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.015
future renovations, permit requirements,

00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:11.416
what the costs outset would be. Um

00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.416
uncertainty are real concerns and I

00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:14.456
think as a council we should always

00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.616
approach these matters with empathy,

00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:19.640
with transparency, with fairness. Um,

00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.775
but at the same time, we also have a

00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.015
responsibility to think beyond just

00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:26.616
today and the current concerns that

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.496
we've got ahead of us at council. ,

00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:31.416
and I say that because once a heritage

00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.336
building is demolished or renovated or

00:28:33.360 --> 00:28:36.360
removed or subdivided, , significantly

00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.640
altered, , it is gone forever. We

00:28:39.840 --> 00:28:41.015
don't get a second opportunity to

00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.176
recover that piece of our municipality's

00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:44.775
history, identity, or architectural

00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:46.056
character. And it was interesting to

00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:47.496
hear councelor O'Donnell talk about the

00:28:47.520 --> 00:28:49.816
history of that particular home. Um I

00:28:49.840 --> 00:28:52.296
think future generations cannot rebuild

00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:54.296
authenticity once it has been lost. Um

00:28:54.320 --> 00:28:56.456
that's why heritage amendment processes

00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:58.696
are important. It's not about freezing

00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:00.616
suburbs in a point in time and

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.336
preventing all change. Um good heritage

00:29:03.360 --> 00:29:06.360
planning should allow  thoughtful

00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:09.015
evolution while still protecting

00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.576
buildings, precincts um that tell the

00:29:11.600 --> 00:29:13.176
story of how our city developed over

00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.200
time and what makes it so unique and you

00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.015
know a unique municipality.

00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.416
Um, too often across Melbourne, we have

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.336
seen examples where important buildings

00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:26.296
are lost incrementally, one house at a

00:29:26.320 --> 00:29:29.320
time, um, until entire streets lose

00:29:29.679 --> 00:29:31.736
their character and identity. , that

00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:33.336
once made them very special. That often

00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:35.096
is the case, why people move into those

00:29:35.120 --> 00:29:36.936
areas. , once that happens,

00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.456
communities often look back years later

00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.480
on why why was more not done to preserve

00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:44.375
it. And they recognize the beauty of

00:29:44.399 --> 00:29:45.816
those heritage buildings. And they might

00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:47.336
not appear beautiful now. They might not

00:29:47.360 --> 00:29:49.416
seem like their heritage now, um, but we

00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.015
will look back at them in future

00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.039
generations and recognize the character.

00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:55.976
I also think there is value in

00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.895
remembering that heritage protection can

00:29:57.919 --> 00:29:59.176
actually contribute positively to

00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.336
neighborhood identity, to streetscape

00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:03.816
quality, to community character. Um, I'm

00:30:03.840 --> 00:30:05.096
sure we've driven down streets where

00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:07.736
we've seen blue stone um blue stone

00:30:07.760 --> 00:30:09.096
footpaths and thought, "Wow, what a

00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:10.616
beautiful street." And that's because

00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.056
we've maintained and protected that

00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:14.296
heritage. So while I absolutely respect

00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:15.576
and acknowledge the concerns some

00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:17.416
residents may have and they're very

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.655
valid concerns, I I I do respect and

00:30:19.679 --> 00:30:21.416
understand that I think there is a

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.440
broader intergenerational responsibility

00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.640
on us as decision makers. Um and for

00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.535
those reasons, while I do support

00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.255
proceeding with the amendment process um

00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.015
in a balance and considered way, I do

00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:38.039
think it's very difficult

00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.640
That was odd. Um I I do think that in

00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:48.840
this instance  you know

00:30:49.679 --> 00:30:52.679
the amendment itself is very overarching

00:30:53.919 --> 00:30:54.856
and

00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.336
your time has elapsed.

00:30:57.360 --> 00:30:59.015
Oh, sorry. Can I please just request 30

00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.096
seconds from the chair to finalize my

00:31:01.120 --> 00:31:01.496
point?

00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:03.336
 given the length of the agenda, I'm

00:31:03.360 --> 00:31:04.616
not doing extensions of time this

00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:05.895
evening. So if you'd like to have a vote

00:31:05.919 --> 00:31:08.919
of council to do so, you can.

00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:10.936
Yeah. is that I it's just 30 seconds.

00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:11.655
I'm nearly done.

00:31:11.679 --> 00:31:13.336
Yep. So, council has requested an

00:31:13.360 --> 00:31:14.696
extension of time that I will put to the

00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.496
vote.

00:31:17.520 --> 00:31:20.520
Can I have a mover?

00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:24.856
Councelor Hill and seconded Council

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.880
Ashworth Colette.

00:31:29.360 --> 00:31:32.360
All those in favor

00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:35.096
that is council Sab, Council Ashworth,

00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:36.775
Colette, Councelor Hill. All those

00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.576
against. Are you for and councelor

00:31:39.600 --> 00:31:41.736
Thanosopoulos?

00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:44.056
All those against

00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:45.895
councelor O'Donnell, Council White,

00:31:45.919 --> 00:31:47.655
Council Agirtan, councelor Erevnidis and

00:31:47.679 --> 00:31:50.216
abstaining.

00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.240
You have to pick one council and myself

00:31:53.919 --> 00:31:56.616
that is lost on the extension of time.

00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.640
Okay.

00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.856
Thank you. Are there any other

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.375
counselors on this matter? Council

00:32:04.399 --> 00:32:06.856
Agatam.

00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.176
Thank you, Madame May. I'll be very

00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.416
brief. Having read the detailed

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.056
submissions, including the objections, I

00:32:14.080 --> 00:32:16.296
fully in support and commend Councelor

00:32:16.320 --> 00:32:19.320
O'Donnell on her um ultimate motion. I

00:32:20.080 --> 00:32:23.080
feel like it's important to  provide

00:32:23.760 --> 00:32:26.760
people who paid for the house, who live

00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.200
in the house, and who know

00:32:30.399 --> 00:32:32.775
their future intentions an option to opt

00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.799
out should they be not supportive of it.

00:32:36.399 --> 00:32:38.375
So I wanted to thank everyone who

00:32:38.399 --> 00:32:39.976
provided their reasoning and their

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.696
details and assure our residents that

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.015
you are being heard. Thank you.

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.696
Thank you councelor Agirtan. Councelor

00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.720
Hill.

00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.200
Thank you Madame May. Um look I'd also

00:32:54.320 --> 00:32:57.255
 like to foreshadow just if this is to

00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.895
be lost um that I like to move the

00:32:59.919 --> 00:33:02.919
original officer recommendation. Thanks.

00:33:03.360 --> 00:33:04.616
Thank you. I'll note that councelor

00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.640
Hill. Thank you. And look, I I also  I

00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.216
guess similar to council sa

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.296
 I think we do have to be extremely

00:33:14.320 --> 00:33:16.456
empathetic when we're looking at matters

00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.416
any matters relating to planning um you

00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.895
know because these properties are more

00:33:21.919 --> 00:33:23.736
often than not someone's single biggest

00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:26.760
investment. I do um however understand

00:33:28.320 --> 00:33:30.856
that when if we go if we take a few

00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.856
steps back and look at the process that

00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.015
we went through to arrive at this

00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.039
particular report um we did take a very

00:33:38.159 --> 00:33:41.159
very conservative approach to to um

00:33:41.600 --> 00:33:43.895
looking at our heritage properties and

00:33:43.919 --> 00:33:46.616
we ultimately landed on assessing the

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:47.736
you know the ones with the most

00:33:47.760 --> 00:33:50.760
significant heritage value.  it is a

00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.895
process like when we're looking at a

00:33:53.919 --> 00:33:56.296
potential planning scheme amendment it

00:33:56.320 --> 00:33:59.320
is a process and it's to my knowledge

00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.519
not usual process to  make changes

00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.576
midstream like the the purpose of

00:34:07.600 --> 00:34:09.815
following a process and following good

00:34:09.839 --> 00:34:12.615
governance is to ensure that we take it

00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.639
through  the process to its finality.

00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.159
Um if we if we were to proceed um the 

00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.055
to the exhibition owners will will again

00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.936
have  the opportunity to make their um

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.575
submissions once more. Um ultimately it

00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.375
will come back to council. Um so there

00:34:32.399 --> 00:34:34.216
is quite a lot to play out in this but

00:34:34.240 --> 00:34:36.776
it's I just don't think it's fantastic

00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.800
governance to be  making these changes

00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.736
changes at this point in time. So, hence

00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.335
why I won't be supporting this

00:34:45.359 --> 00:34:47.815
amendment, but I'm happy to support the

00:34:47.839 --> 00:34:49.655
original office recommendation. Thank

00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:50.615
you.

00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.135
Thank you, Councelor Hill. Are there any

00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.375
other counselors on this matter?

00:34:54.399 --> 00:34:57.399
Councelor Thanos.

00:34:59.359 --> 00:35:02.359
Thanks. Thanks, Mayor and everyone.

00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.280
That's good. Um yeah, there is a process

00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.416
that would follow and I think councilors

00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.976
would be  right to be a bit weary

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.136
about that because as it gets further

00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:15.575
and further down the line it can be a

00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.416
bit more challenging. So I do understand

00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.416
why councilors might at that first

00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.815
hurdle want to intercept this if they

00:35:21.839 --> 00:35:24.696
feel like this is the right approach. 

00:35:24.720 --> 00:35:27.720
that said  I think the best thing for

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.736
councilors to do certainly the approach

00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.896
that I prefer anyway is to get that

00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.736
information.  we've had our

00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.976
independent not quite independents but

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.136
we've had heritage experts look at this

00:35:38.160 --> 00:35:40.776
and and give us some advice.  what

00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.776
would happen at the next stage is a

00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:44.536
third party assessment would have a look

00:35:44.560 --> 00:35:45.896
at it and some of those concerns that

00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.815
have been raised to us by the residents

00:35:47.839 --> 00:35:50.616
would arm us with the knowledge on

00:35:50.640 --> 00:35:53.095
making a decision going forward. Now

00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.095
those experts or those people reviewing

00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.976
this they may turn around and say your

00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.575
assessment so far have been correct and

00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.496
you should proceed. you can still then

00:36:01.520 --> 00:36:03.095
make a decision to say no no no I really

00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.696
want to look after the residents I think

00:36:04.720 --> 00:36:06.776
the points that they've made made are

00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.416
more important and should be adhered to

00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.736
and I think gaining that knowledge and

00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.496
using it is the best way of being a

00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:15.496
counselor which is why I'm not going to

00:36:15.520 --> 00:36:17.016
vote against this but I am an abstain

00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:18.696
because I do have sympathy for what's

00:36:18.720 --> 00:36:21.720
been raises a concern but I also would

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.776
prefer that we have that information 

00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.016
at our disposal as you go through that

00:36:27.040 --> 00:36:30.040
process but I think It's it's it's I'd

00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.760
be h very hesitant to  liken our

00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.776
restriction on heritage to council being

00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.016
this big bad wolf when it comes to

00:36:41.040 --> 00:36:43.575
property because I or maybe my neighbor

00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.599
might prefer to build a 15-story hotel

00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:48.936
next door to me. Um and there are

00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.256
currently restrictions in place for good

00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.280
reason for that not to occur. Um, and I

00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:57.575
would not like a an agenda from a

00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.416
council to say, "Well, they've owned a

00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:00.616
property. They should be able to do

00:37:00.640 --> 00:37:02.376
whatever they like. Let them go and

00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.136
build whatever they they bought it.

00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:05.976
Let's go for it." And at some point,

00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.296
these things changed. It changed from

00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.320
having multiple  not too much of a

00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:13.335
change on the site. Maybe there were

00:37:13.359 --> 00:37:14.856
less and less restrictions. Maybe some

00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.176
of them were farmland. They got into

00:37:17.200 --> 00:37:19.815
more divided areas. So, the point is

00:37:19.839 --> 00:37:22.055
planning does change. It really needs to

00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.575
come back to that principle of do we see

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.976
some heritage? Is it worth protecting

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.136
and  and and should we go through this

00:37:28.160 --> 00:37:29.896
you know extended process which I do

00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.696
commend the council for doing um

00:37:32.720 --> 00:37:35.016
including this 15week early um

00:37:35.040 --> 00:37:37.416
consultation and then make a decision at

00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:38.856
a later point with that extra

00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.016
information. So  hopefully that

00:37:41.040 --> 00:37:43.016
explains my extension that will come

00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:43.976
forth.

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.656
Thank you councelor Thanosopoulos. Are

00:37:45.680 --> 00:37:48.680
there any other councils on this matter?

00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.335
Before

00:37:51.359 --> 00:37:53.976
I ask councelor O'Donnell to close, I

00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.216
will just  give my view on this

00:37:56.240 --> 00:37:58.616
matter. And I have been pretty

00:37:58.640 --> 00:38:01.416
consistent in my time on council with my

00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.575
view on heritage and certainly have some

00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.599
personal experience  with this. I

00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:09.640
think that as far as this motion goes,

00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:11.416
there's a lot of stress that goes with

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.016
potentially heritage listing someone's

00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:14.696
property and there's a lot of cost that

00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:16.216
goes with potentially heritage listing

00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:19.240
someone's property. Um it is as a number

00:38:19.680 --> 00:38:21.416
of counselors have stated someone's

00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.440
often single biggest asset and putting a

00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:26.616
heritage overlay on someone's single

00:38:26.640 --> 00:38:28.536
biggest asset where there's a lot of

00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:30.456
restrictions that go with that should

00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.776
not come lightly

00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.335
and I think it's something we should do

00:38:35.359 --> 00:38:37.416
with trepidation.

00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.440
I commend council on the 15week process

00:38:41.359 --> 00:38:42.936
that we went through in informing

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.176
property owners. I think that was a a

00:38:45.200 --> 00:38:46.456
positive step that a lot of other

00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.936
councils don't do and some councils put

00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.176
in heritage overlays

00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:53.575
what I like to sort of term as

00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.496
secretively and they put them as 

00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:57.656
intram overlays over people's properties

00:38:57.680 --> 00:38:59.016
before they even tell them they're

00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:01.256
considering properties. So I'm I'm very

00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:02.696
happy that we didn't do that as a

00:39:02.720 --> 00:39:05.720
council but at the same time this is

00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:08.936
something that if you want to opt out of

00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.496
a heritage process I think you should be

00:39:11.520 --> 00:39:14.520
able to. I don't think that given the

00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:16.055
planning reforms that the state

00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.496
government have put in place across a

00:39:17.520 --> 00:39:20.520
number of municipalities that we should

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.936
be as a council forced into doing this

00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.936
when if the state government valued it

00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.815
so much they could do it themselves. And

00:39:27.839 --> 00:39:29.815
I will also make the point that if we as

00:39:29.839 --> 00:39:32.296
a council value heritage so much we

00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.376
should put our money where our mouth is

00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.055
and support our residents where we

00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:37.815
decide to put heritage overlays over

00:39:37.839 --> 00:39:40.136
their properties if that's what we're

00:39:40.160 --> 00:39:42.216
going to continue to do. we should

00:39:42.240 --> 00:39:43.815
support them in that because it's very

00:39:43.839 --> 00:39:46.696
costly to maintain heritage properties.

00:39:46.720 --> 00:39:48.696
A lot of people buy heritage properties

00:39:48.720 --> 00:39:51.416
to maintain them, but I think if we're

00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.440
going to put an emphasis on heritage,

00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:57.016
and perhaps we should, then we need to

00:39:57.040 --> 00:39:59.656
support our residents in doing so. So, I

00:39:59.680 --> 00:40:01.496
support a what's often termed a

00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:03.896
voluntary heritage approach. Um, and I

00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.335
know that that can be criticized by the

00:40:05.359 --> 00:40:07.896
state government, but for us as a

00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.335
council, we need to support our local

00:40:09.359 --> 00:40:11.176
residents, and I think this does that.

00:40:11.200 --> 00:40:12.856
So I will be supporting this motion this

00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.776
evening. Council O'Donnell, do you wish

00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.496
to close?

00:40:17.520 --> 00:40:20.520
Yes, I do. Mayor Oxley. Whilst I support

00:40:21.040 --> 00:40:23.815
there is a responsibility for preserving

00:40:23.839 --> 00:40:26.839
our heritage, we also each and every one

00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:28.616
of us sitting at the table or on the

00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:31.640
screen has a responsibility to the

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:34.936
people that have elected us to be here.

00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.256
And hence why this evening I've moved

00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.815
the alternate because I have a

00:40:39.839 --> 00:40:41.896
responsibility to the residents that

00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.856
have contacted me to the discussions

00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.880
that I have had that have prompted

00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:50.936
exactly what's taking place at the

00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.256
moment.

00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.176
Whilst

00:40:55.200 --> 00:40:58.200
I strongly feel that we have little

00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.815
choice in planning these days, as

00:41:01.839 --> 00:41:04.839
councilors and as homeowners, we pretty

00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.760
much have, and this is very evident to

00:41:09.359 --> 00:41:11.416
the greater community well outside the

00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.896
city of Kingston. We have planning

00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.920
amendments and changes and bills passed

00:41:17.200 --> 00:41:18.936
for what feels like on a weekly basis,

00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.416
but I'm sure it's not that regular

00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:23.496
ongoing at the moment. people have no

00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:25.176
rights. They might just whack up a

00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:27.335
15-story hotel next to your property,

00:41:27.359 --> 00:41:29.736
councilor than I reckon they'll do it

00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.760
without asking you a thing. Um, so today

00:41:33.680 --> 00:41:36.680
and tonight, sorry. I want to make sure

00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.960
that we are giving residents a choice.

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.216
As the mayor and councelor White pointed

00:41:44.240 --> 00:41:47.240
out, this is potentially someone's

00:41:47.520 --> 00:41:49.656
biggest asset.

00:41:49.680 --> 00:41:52.536
to have this taken away as well since

00:41:52.560 --> 00:41:53.976
everything else seems to go out the

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.496
window in the world of planning when it

00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:57.896
comes to residents. I'm not going to let

00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.976
that happen anymore. So, well, whilst I

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.776
can on what I can and hence why I am

00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.176
moving this evening that we give an

00:42:05.200 --> 00:42:06.936
opportunity to our residents to have a

00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.960
say because there is not a lot left on

00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:11.896
what we can have a say in the planning

00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.616
world these days.

00:42:14.640 --> 00:42:17.095
Thank you, councelor O'Donnell. I will

00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:19.335
now put that to the vote.

00:42:19.359 --> 00:42:22.359
I'll just make sure we get the

00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.856
right one on screen.

00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.880
Thank you.

00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.800
All those in favor.

00:42:34.560 --> 00:42:36.696
That is councelor How, Councelor

00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:38.536
O'Donnell, Councelor White, Councelor

00:42:38.560 --> 00:42:41.560
Agirtan, Councelor Revenites, and myself.

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.000
All those against

00:42:45.680 --> 00:42:48.680
councelor Hill and abstaining

00:42:48.720 --> 00:42:50.936
councelor Sab and councelor Athanasopoulos

00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.960
and councelor Ashworth collect

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.400
that is carried.

00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.736
We'll move to item 9.1 the update to the

00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:03.896
central registration scheme for funded

00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.920
kindergarten policy. Do I have a motion?

00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.920
Councelor O'Donnell and a second.

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.960
Councelor How.

00:43:16.720 --> 00:43:17.736
Councelor O'Donnell, do you wish to

00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.760
speak to the motion?

00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.815
Sorry, Councelor. How?

00:43:23.839 --> 00:43:26.216
Um,

00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:28.936
whilst I understand what's put before us

00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.496
this evening, I'm incredibly

00:43:31.520 --> 00:43:34.520
disappointed with it. Every child

00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:38.200
deserves an equal opportunity at

00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.776
education.

00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.016
starting at a kindergarten level and

00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:46.040
right the way through to remove

00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:49.976
Kingston residents because they haven't

00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.936
ticked one of the outlined

00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.960
points by a state government

00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:57.815
to

00:43:57.839 --> 00:44:00.839
have you bumped down the list for your

00:44:01.200 --> 00:44:03.095
place in your kindergarten which is

00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.335
around the corner maybe conveniently

00:44:05.359 --> 00:44:07.016
next to the primary school or near the

00:44:07.040 --> 00:44:08.376
primary school that your other children

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.616
go who

00:44:10.640 --> 00:44:13.416
this is not fair. Yes, I understand

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.976
there are people with significant

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.000
significant contributing factors,

00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:22.200
but every child each and every one of

00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:25.335
them deserve an opportunity to go to

00:44:25.359 --> 00:44:28.359
their local kindergarten where their

00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:32.040
brothers, sisters, cousins, grandparents

00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:35.016
have been. And what is convenient

00:44:35.040 --> 00:44:37.416
because this is where you live to send

00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.416
your children to kindergarten. There

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.575
shouldn't be anything that bumps a child

00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:43.095
onto the next list for the next

00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.936
kindergarten, whether it's round the

00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.176
corner, down the road, because a child

00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:49.656
will be coming in from outside of the

00:44:49.680 --> 00:44:52.456
city of Kingston on a priority basis.

00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.480
And I understand there are

00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.216
sometimes very significant and

00:44:58.240 --> 00:45:01.016
concerning contributing factors to this,

00:45:01.040 --> 00:45:03.335
but I won't let any kid in the city of

00:45:03.359 --> 00:45:05.815
Kingston be bumped off a list or step by

00:45:05.839 --> 00:45:07.496
stand by and watch it happen, even

00:45:07.520 --> 00:45:09.176
though there's probably very little I

00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:11.976
can do to be honest because every child

00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.000
deserves an opportunity to an education

00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.480
in the area that they live and they are

00:45:19.520 --> 00:45:22.520
growing up in.

00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:25.656
Thank you councelor O'Donnell. Councelor

00:45:25.680 --> 00:45:26.616
How? Reserve.

00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:29.176
Reserve. Thank you. Are there any other

00:45:29.200 --> 00:45:32.200
councils on this matter?

00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.335
There being none, I will put that to the

00:45:35.359 --> 00:45:38.359
vote. All those in favor?

00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:40.776
That is councelor How, Councelor

00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:42.856
Athanosopoulos, Councelor Sab, Councelor

00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.616
Ashworth, Colette, Councelor Hill, and

00:45:44.640 --> 00:45:47.640
myself.

00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.280
Okay. I'll I'll need to then

00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.256
I'm gonna recall the vote. All those in

00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.280
favor,

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.776
councelor Thanosopoulos, Councelor Sab,

00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:04.456
Councelor Ashworth, Colette, Councelor

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.480
Hill, and myself.

00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:11.560
All those against

00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.599
councelor Erevnidis. All those abstaining.

00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.176
Councelor How, Councelor O'Donnell,

00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:19.815
Council White, Councelor Agirtan. And

00:46:19.839 --> 00:46:21.416
that is carried on the casting vote of

00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.440
the chair.

00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.016
Wonderful. 9.2. The response to

00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:34.040
resolution reconciliation strategy.

00:46:34.319 --> 00:46:37.256
Council Agirtan.

00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.280
Could I move the additional point to

00:46:40.560 --> 00:46:42.295
point number three as appears on the

00:46:42.319 --> 00:46:43.656
screen? Thank you.

00:46:43.680 --> 00:46:45.496
Thank you. So that is the amended motion

00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:48.520
moved by council Agirtan and seconded.

00:46:49.359 --> 00:46:52.359
Councelor O'Donnell.

00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.136
Do you wish to speak to the motion?

00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:00.696
Reserve. Councelor O'Donnell.

00:47:00.720 --> 00:47:03.720
Do you wish to speak to the motion?

00:47:04.240 --> 00:47:05.815
Reserve.

00:47:05.839 --> 00:47:07.176
Are there any other councils on this

00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:10.200
motion

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.000
there? Councelor Evanas.

00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:19.176
Thank you, Madame Mayor. I want to make

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:21.095
it clear from the outset that I support

00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.095
respectful relationships between First

00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.176
Nations and non-first nations people.

00:47:25.200 --> 00:47:26.936
And I acknowledge council has already

00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.575
been doing this work since 2014 without

00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.896
a standalone reconciliation strategy of

00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:33.976
this scale. My concern tonight is not

00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.976
about respect or inclusion. My concern

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.815
is about governance, accountability, and

00:47:37.839 --> 00:47:39.335
the long-term cause and effect of

00:47:39.359 --> 00:47:41.335
formally embedding this strategy into

00:47:41.359 --> 00:47:43.976
council policy. The report itself says

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.976
that this strategy is intended to embed

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:47.815
cultural knowledge and awareness across

00:47:47.839 --> 00:47:50.295
organizations and communities, outlines

00:47:50.319 --> 00:47:52.616
48 actions, and creates ongoing

00:47:52.640 --> 00:47:54.216
expectations around governance,

00:47:54.240 --> 00:47:55.815
partnerships, accountability, and

00:47:55.839 --> 00:47:57.736
reporting. Once these commitments are

00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:59.416
enshrined into policy, they do not

00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.575
simply remain symbolic. They create

00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.736
pressure for future spending, staffing,

00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.616
programming, consultation processes, 

00:48:06.640 --> 00:48:08.536
training, procurement changes, and

00:48:08.560 --> 00:48:11.095
ongoing administrative obligations. We

00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.256
are told there is currently no for there

00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.496
is currently $40,000

00:48:15.520 --> 00:48:18.216
um in funding allocated. But the report

00:48:18.240 --> 00:48:20.055
also clearly states that any future

00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.216
budget implications arising from treaty

00:48:22.240 --> 00:48:24.055
or related agreements would be

00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:25.656
considered through council's annual

00:48:25.680 --> 00:48:27.736
budget process. In other words, this

00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:29.896
motion opens a door first with the

00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.295
financial implications to follow later.

00:48:32.319 --> 00:48:33.896
That is the cause and effect I'm

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:35.815
concerned about. The briefing also

00:48:35.839 --> 00:48:38.216
states  that councils may be invited

00:48:38.240 --> 00:48:41.240
to participate in treaty negotiations or

00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.776
local agreements as additional

00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.176
negotiating parties. Even though we are

00:48:45.200 --> 00:48:46.696
told this strategy is separate from

00:48:46.720 --> 00:48:49.575
treaty, the document itself repeatedly

00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:51.976
references treaty developments, treaty

00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.656
updates, and the need for the strategy

00:48:53.680 --> 00:48:55.335
to respond to the Victorian treaty

00:48:55.359 --> 00:48:57.416
process going forward. So, while

00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.736
technically separate today, this policy

00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.736
clearly positions Kingston Council

00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.896
closer to future treaty participation

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.055
tomorrow. I also note the report

00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:09.016
highlights that 51.5% of Kingston

00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:10.696
residents voted yes in the voice

00:49:10.720 --> 00:49:13.575
referendum. That means half did not. and

00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.416
and an issue this significant and

00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.416
long-term. I do not believe that gives

00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.656
council a clear mandate to embed broad

00:49:19.680 --> 00:49:21.815
strategic commitments that may expose

00:49:21.839 --> 00:49:23.575
rate payers to future financial

00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.535
obligations that remain undefined. At a

00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.055
time when residents are struggling with

00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.136
cost of living pressures, rising rates,

00:49:30.160 --> 00:49:32.456
housing stress, and increasing bills, I

00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:33.976
believe council may be extremely

00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.376
cautious before adopting strategies and

00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.616
may expand future operational costs

00:49:38.640 --> 00:49:40.456
without clear financial limits or

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.696
measurable outcomes. Importantly, the

00:49:42.720 --> 00:49:45.095
good work of reconciliation can continue

00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.176
without enshrining a broad and evolving

00:49:47.200 --> 00:49:49.656
framework into council policy. We can

00:49:49.680 --> 00:49:51.736
continue respectful engagement, cultural

00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.136
recognition, and legislative compliance

00:49:54.160 --> 00:49:56.456
without creating open-ended commitments

00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.376
that future councils and future rate

00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.400
payers may ultimately carry. Thank you.

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.656
Thank you, Councelor Evanas. Councelor

00:50:03.680 --> 00:50:05.496
O'Donnell,

00:50:05.520 --> 00:50:08.055
I move that we vote in parts.

00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:09.976
, yes, you can request that we vote in

00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.535
parts. I

00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.559
the potential

00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.656
 I'm going to put one and two together

00:50:17.680 --> 00:50:20.680
cuz they rely on each other

00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.216
and point three can go separately if

00:50:24.240 --> 00:50:27.240
that's yes.

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.095
Yeah.

00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.119
Do you want to speak to the item or no?

00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.880
Council what?

00:50:49.839 --> 00:50:51.496
On behalf of the residents of the

00:50:51.520 --> 00:50:53.736
Carowana Ward spanning Dingley Village

00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.176
and Clayton South, a little bit of

00:50:55.200 --> 00:50:58.200
Clarinda, I'm voting no.  because when

00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.016
the national referendum was put to this

00:51:01.040 --> 00:51:02.936
country, the local communities I

00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.416
represent looked at the proposal,

00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:07.416
weighed the fact and facts, and

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.976
overwhelmingly voted no. They did so in

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:11.575
alignment with the majority of the

00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.896
Australian population.

00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.496
Let's address the immediate push back

00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:17.656
that so often follows this perspective

00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:20.680
to label everyday Australians or the

00:51:20.720 --> 00:51:22.856
residents of Kingston as racist simply

00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.776
because they voted no is just another

00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.800
lazy labor smear. Our community did not

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.896
vote no vote no out of malice. They

00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.136
voted no because they fundamentally not

00:51:32.160 --> 00:51:34.055
believe in enshrining racial division

00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.456
within our governing frameworks. We

00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.535
believe in one law for all Australians,

00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.416
equality of citizenship and unity, not a

00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.575
system that divides us based on

00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.416
heritage. Furthermore, our community

00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.016
looks at the track record of the state

00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:49.416
and federal initiatives and sees a

00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:51.016
history of mismanagement. This

00:51:51.040 --> 00:51:53.815
government can simply not be trusted.

00:51:53.839 --> 00:51:56.136
There's deep-seated skepticism towards

00:51:56.160 --> 00:51:57.976
structural overhauls like treaty

00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:59.575
processes which many view as

00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.216
fundamentally undemocratic. We look at

00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:04.616
massive bureaucratic frameworks much

00:52:04.640 --> 00:52:07.335
like the NDIS and we see programs that

00:52:07.359 --> 00:52:10.359
despite the socialist noble intention

00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:12.776
have been plagued by systematic waste

00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.800
and financial exploitation for years. My

00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.535
residents are deeply concerned about the

00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.295
potential for further bureaucratic

00:52:20.319 --> 00:52:22.936
expansion. we simply can't afford it.

00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.095
And legislative overreach, including

00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.335
uncertainties surrounding land use and

00:52:27.359 --> 00:52:30.055
property rights. Are we opening another

00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.136
avenue to continue giving away our

00:52:32.160 --> 00:52:34.376
assets and resources to the Communist

00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.400
Party of China, sold to us as social

00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.176
justice?

00:52:39.200 --> 00:52:40.936
Look at the reality on the ground right

00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.256
here in Kingston. We have roughly 700

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.095
indigenous residents living in our

00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:46.696
municipality.

00:52:46.720 --> 00:52:49.720
0.04% 04% of the population. At the

00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:52.856
exact same time, we're in a grip of a

00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.095
severe cost of government crisis where

00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:58.119
20% of our households are experiencing

00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.480
severe food insecurity.

00:53:01.520 --> 00:53:03.016
Our residents are sick to death of

00:53:03.040 --> 00:53:05.095
government at all levels, wasting public

00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.496
money on symbolic, divisive virtue

00:53:07.520 --> 00:53:09.815
signaling. While basic local needs go

00:53:09.839 --> 00:53:12.216
met, they want their rates spent on

00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:15.176
fixing our roads. I'm here to represent

00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:17.815
 the explicit will of the caran ward

00:53:17.839 --> 00:53:20.456
and the broader community of that said

00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.176
no, Australia said no and tonight I'll

00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:25.896
say no to ensure their voices are

00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.136
respected.

00:53:28.160 --> 00:53:31.160
Thank you councelor White.

00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.976
Are there any other councils? Councelor

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.936
H. Sorry, question madame mayor. Yes.

00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:38.456
Just wondering whether there is an

00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:41.480
opportunity to

00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.559
amend what is in front of us. So we can

00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:49.656
and let me read out to you. So adopt the

00:53:49.680 --> 00:53:52.055
reconciliation strategies not number two

00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.696
predicated on the on number three being

00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:57.720
accepted.

00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:02.136
Um

00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:05.160
what is your

00:54:07.839 --> 00:54:09.416
that would then be not voting on it in

00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.016
parts? Are you meaning predicated on

00:54:11.040 --> 00:54:12.856
receiving the report or predicated on

00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:13.896
just number three

00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.920
on report being received and accepted

00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.535
by vote?

00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.616
So we'd have to receive the report. Is

00:54:22.640 --> 00:54:24.136
that what you're saying? So in which

00:54:24.160 --> 00:54:26.216
case you would probably defer the items

00:54:26.240 --> 00:54:28.376
subject to a further report. Is that

00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.776
what you're attempting to achieve or you

00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:33.176
just wanting item three being supported

00:54:33.200 --> 00:54:35.095
this evening to then support one and

00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:36.295
two?

00:54:36.319 --> 00:54:38.535
Yeah.

00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.559
Then

00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.736
I I couldn't

00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.760
do that. Then don't

00:54:56.319 --> 00:54:58.055
You can amend the item. Depends on what

00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.079
it is.

00:55:09.040 --> 00:55:10.856
No, because point one and two are

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:12.295
already in the motion. It's already been

00:55:12.319 --> 00:55:15.319
moved. Yeah. Good try, though.

00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:19.016
Are there any other counselors that wish

00:55:19.040 --> 00:55:22.040
to speak to this matter?

00:55:22.160 --> 00:55:25.160
Councelor Thanos

00:55:27.680 --> 00:55:29.656
just to actually address what we have

00:55:29.680 --> 00:55:32.535
before us which is a reconciliation

00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.856
action plan and I think our indigenous

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.176
community would really love the fact

00:55:37.200 --> 00:55:38.616
that  we're putting something like

00:55:38.640 --> 00:55:41.256
this together and can work arm in- arm

00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.335
with that community make them feel

00:55:43.359 --> 00:55:46.359
welcome but make them feel included and

00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:48.775
to make them feel part of us part of the

00:55:48.799 --> 00:55:50.936
reason why reconciliation exists

00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.656
is for a long period of history that

00:55:53.680 --> 00:55:56.680
wasn't the case and I think that most

00:55:56.720 --> 00:55:59.016
Australians albeit they may vote no

00:55:59.040 --> 00:56:02.040
against something in particular whatever

00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:03.896
it be be it a treaty or whatever else

00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.376
has been mentioned in the chamber they

00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.535
would be absolutely in favor with their

00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.176
local council and local representatives

00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:14.055
working with and in reconciliation with

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.976
that community.

00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.000
Um, last I checked that if any one of us

00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:22.680
was elected into council with 50% plus

00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:26.055
one vote, we would be elected into

00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.079
council. No one in here, I don't think,

00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:30.376
would turn around and say, "This

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.856
person's not a legitimate person for

00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.016
being in the council." Or no one in

00:56:35.040 --> 00:56:37.575
here, I would hope, would say, "Well,

00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.216
look, yeah, you got in at 50% plus one

00:56:40.240 --> 00:56:43.240
vote, but you had 49.99999%

00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.856
minus one vote." and therefore you have

00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.416
to listen to that other 49%. It's not

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.815
how it really works. We do get elect if

00:56:51.839 --> 00:56:53.736
we're going to be looking at a result of

00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:56.295
something, we should honor that result,

00:56:56.319 --> 00:56:57.575
especially if we're going to talk about

00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.456
it specifically in our area. Granted,

00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.976
nationally, that might be a different

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.535
outcome. Nonetheless, the work that has

00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.176
gone in from Kate and her team, I really

00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:09.815
want to appreciate. The indigenous

00:57:09.839 --> 00:57:11.256
community within the city of Kingston

00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.416
have always been very welcoming to me.

00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.575
I'm sure to other councilors as well and

00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.599
are really endorsing us to get together

00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.256
with them and do what's what's within

00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.136
this plan to pro progress the

00:57:24.160 --> 00:57:26.696
reconciliation that in my view we must

00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:29.496
do with First Nations people. I won't

00:57:29.520 --> 00:57:31.016
get an applause from the audience

00:57:31.040 --> 00:57:33.176
tonight for that statement and it

00:57:33.200 --> 00:57:35.335
doesn't really bother me all that much.

00:57:35.359 --> 00:57:37.256
Um, sometimes you don't need to be the

00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.656
most popular person to be doing the

00:57:39.680 --> 00:57:42.680
right thing for you for you. And for me,

00:57:43.200 --> 00:57:45.335
voting for this and supporting this,

00:57:45.359 --> 00:57:47.896
including the further point about being

00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:49.656
transparent about what we're going to be

00:57:49.680 --> 00:57:51.736
spending here is absolutely something

00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:54.760
that I'll be supporting tonight.

00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:56.856
Thank you, Councelor Thanos. Are there

00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:58.696
any other counselors? Councelor

00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:01.720
O'Donnell.

00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:04.856
Thank you, Mayor Oxley. Um, I do want to

00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.216
point out that the data that is

00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:09.240
reflected in this report is obtained or

00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:10.696
maybe I should ask the question. The

00:58:10.720 --> 00:58:13.256
data that is reflected in the report is

00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.736
reflective of data obtained from across

00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.760
the country. Is that correct?

00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.575
As opposed to the city of Kingston,

00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.599
Miss Waters,

00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.280
that's okay.

00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.856
Thank you. through you may there's a

00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:36.616
combination of data in the report. Some

00:58:36.640 --> 00:58:39.640
of it is from  Kingston data via the

00:58:39.680 --> 00:58:42.055
census. Some of it is national data and

00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.079
some is Victorian data.

00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.416
That's confusing.

00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:54.440
Um, yeah, I wish I would had a better

00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.416
understanding of how that looked in

00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.095
regards to data obtained for the city of

00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:02.119
Kingston and data obtained for across

00:59:02.160 --> 00:59:04.696
the country because as councelor White

00:59:04.720 --> 00:59:07.720
pointed out across the country,

00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:11.480
we voted no as Australians. Um, every

00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.575
area and different municipalities will

00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.599
have a different outcome as to what that

00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.055
represented. Um,

00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.079
but I also want to point out, as much as

00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.079
this may come with backlash,

00:59:30.640 --> 00:59:33.640
I've had enough of the costs shifting by

00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.496
state government onto local government.

00:59:37.520 --> 00:59:40.376
We are legislated by state government to

00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.400
have a reconciliation policy in place.

00:59:43.680 --> 00:59:45.575
Hence why we have been working through

00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:48.599
this for months on end.

00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:53.736
There is so much of this that goes on

00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.376
from the cost being shifted onto the

00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:59.400
rateayer by state government and I

00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:02.920
strongly believe that this is another

01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:06.280
example of that exactly happening. Hence

01:00:06.799 --> 01:00:08.856
why I have been asking the questions for

01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:10.376
those months on end. And if I recall

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.376
correctly, it's from September last year

01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.016
that I was asking the questions in

01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:18.040
regards to what is this going to cost?

01:00:18.319 --> 01:00:21.319
And I have made amendments in the draft

01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.216
when it went out for consultation to

01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:27.240
make sure that we have provisions in

01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.496
place to be able to stop them being able

01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:31.095
to

01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:34.119
force local government with the costs

01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.535
that I'm not even sure of, but I know

01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.095
they're into the millions of changing a

01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.176
road's name, changing a park's name, a

01:00:41.200 --> 01:00:44.200
park bench, a beach, or whatever else

01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:47.240
that may come with it. That is something

01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:50.520
that local government cannot sustain.

01:00:51.359 --> 01:00:53.416
So, it's my responsibility and I believe

01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.095
it's the responsibility of the 10 of us

01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.095
that sit at the table to make sure that

01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.575
we protect the city of Kingston from

01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:02.216
what this potentially could look like.

01:01:02.240 --> 01:01:04.936
Is this just another purple bin that's

01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:06.295
being rolled out by the state

01:01:06.319 --> 01:01:07.896
government? And I please don't take that

01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.920
with offense. I am purely reflecting on

01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.599
state government cost shifting on so

01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:17.176
many items that become policy and local

01:01:17.200 --> 01:01:20.200
government and we have to work within

01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:24.295
that. We don't have a choice. So I have

01:01:24.319 --> 01:01:26.535
raised my concerns regarding the budget.

01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:28.936
I completely understand

01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.960
our first nations people's pasts but

01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:36.616
how about the state federal government?

01:01:36.640 --> 01:01:38.376
You've got treaty. It's your

01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.295
responsibility. You do something about

01:01:40.319 --> 01:01:42.136
it.

01:01:42.160 --> 01:01:44.535
Thank you, Council O'Donnell. Council

01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.559
Ashworth Colette.

01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:54.760
Um just like to I know this is quite a

01:01:54.799 --> 01:01:57.335
passionate um conversation for lots of

01:01:57.359 --> 01:01:59.656
people and um I just want to come with

01:01:59.680 --> 01:02:01.416
my heart open to all First Nations

01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.440
people. Um, I know this can be really

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:06.535
hurtful topic, especially when we're

01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.559
talking in dollars and cents. Um, just

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:11.416
to know that there really is a big

01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:13.016
difference between what's happening in a

01:02:13.040 --> 01:02:15.176
state government with treaty and what

01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:17.016
we're doing here in a reconciliation

01:02:17.040 --> 01:02:19.335
plan. Their worlds apart. They're

01:02:19.359 --> 01:02:21.896
different things. Um, so I'd like to

01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:23.736
thank councelor Donnelly. She's right.

01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.055
We do not want cost shifting and we've

01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:27.656
worked within the last month. That was a

01:02:27.680 --> 01:02:29.176
great idea. We've come back to the

01:02:29.200 --> 01:02:32.200
reconciliation plan. we've made changes

01:02:32.640 --> 01:02:34.775
um so that we don't get those cost

01:02:34.799 --> 01:02:36.376
shifting over things that she's

01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.400
mentioned. But um just as we're having

01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.216
this conversation, I just like to think

01:02:42.240 --> 01:02:45.240
we do all sorts of things in council for

01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.440
groups that are minorities that are

01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.880
struggling. every topic that we go into.

01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:53.496
When you come into council, you think

01:02:53.520 --> 01:02:55.496
maybe we just do those basic roads,

01:02:55.520 --> 01:02:57.976
rates, and rubbish, but there's so many

01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.696
services that we that we provide for our

01:03:00.720 --> 01:03:02.775
community. And we don't always really

01:03:02.799 --> 01:03:04.616
know about them unless there's something

01:03:04.640 --> 01:03:06.696
that we need to access maybe on our

01:03:06.720 --> 01:03:09.335
worst day or when we're struggling in

01:03:09.359 --> 01:03:12.359
life. And so reconciliation plan maybe

01:03:13.200 --> 01:03:15.176
if we're not a first nations person and

01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:17.656
we're not walking those shoes we don't

01:03:17.680 --> 01:03:20.136
understand how important it is for that

01:03:20.160 --> 01:03:23.160
community group. So I'd just like us to

01:03:23.200 --> 01:03:26.200
go with open hearts with that to think

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:28.456
that this is really important to a group

01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:31.480
of people and they've co-designed with

01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.295
the council this document. They've

01:03:34.319 --> 01:03:36.295
worked really hard at it and I'd like to

01:03:36.319 --> 01:03:38.456
thank all the staff at Kingston and um

01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.480
show my full support for it. Thank you.

01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:43.095
Thank you councelor Ashworth Colette.

01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:44.295
Are there any other councilors on this

01:03:44.319 --> 01:03:46.055
matter?

01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:49.079
Councelor Hill.

01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:52.295
Yeah, thank you Madame Mayor. Um look, I

01:03:52.319 --> 01:03:55.319
I'd like to um first start off to say

01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.616
that I I I think  the third dot point

01:03:58.640 --> 01:04:01.496
that councelor Donald's added is um

01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:03.416
really good. And I think the three

01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.440
points together  is probably where

01:04:07.520 --> 01:04:10.520
where I feel it should land. Um so I do

01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:13.095
want to make the point too I know

01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:14.936
there's been discussion around outcome

01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:16.936
of the voice.

01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:18.456
um

01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.176
 and whilst it's I guess it's

01:04:21.200 --> 01:04:22.616
significant it's being discussed because

01:04:22.640 --> 01:04:24.535
it is mentioned within the document

01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:27.416
itself and  I think really the purpose

01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:29.256
of that was just to show that more than

01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.280
50% of Kingston residents actually voted

01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.815
in favor of the voice. I still think

01:04:35.839 --> 01:04:37.736
though that we shouldn't get confused

01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:39.176
with the fact that this is actually a

01:04:39.200 --> 01:04:41.976
local strategy that we're discussing

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.535
here. It's it's very very separate to

01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:46.376
what was done nationally with the voice

01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:48.456
and what's happening at state level with

01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.176
treaty. Um this is separate from the

01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:52.936
treaty process and it doesn't commit

01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.960
council to any um treaty agreements in

01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.079
future either. I think it's really

01:04:59.359 --> 01:05:01.575
important like I I I don't want to sort

01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:03.815
of rehash what councelor councelor

01:05:03.839 --> 01:05:06.775
Ashworth Klette and counceloropoulos

01:05:06.799 --> 01:05:08.775
have said because they've said it so so

01:05:08.799 --> 01:05:11.335
well. Um, but I do think it's really

01:05:11.359 --> 01:05:13.976
important to note that we're constantly

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.216
voting on things that will benefit

01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:18.696
minorities within our community. Like we

01:05:18.720 --> 01:05:21.335
could vote on a $5 million footy

01:05:21.359 --> 01:05:24.359
pavilion and it will benefit a minority

01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.775
of people within the city of Kingston.

01:05:26.799 --> 01:05:29.799
So I I think the fact that um we're

01:05:30.240 --> 01:05:33.240
voting on something that

01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:36.295
on the face of it might only impact a

01:05:36.319 --> 01:05:38.775
small percentage of people within

01:05:38.799 --> 01:05:40.295
Kingston. I don't think we should forget

01:05:40.319 --> 01:05:42.216
too that there's a lot of people that

01:05:42.240 --> 01:05:45.240
expect this from us as well. Um I noted

01:05:46.319 --> 01:05:49.319
too that within the um document it goes

01:05:49.520 --> 01:05:51.736
into detail about the levels of

01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:54.216
consultation that we've gone through and

01:05:54.240 --> 01:05:56.456
the most recent consultation that we did

01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.376
which was the most was which which was

01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.095
the broader community consultation

01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.256
where we asked the question quite simply

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.736
how satisfied are you with the strategy?

01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.376
50% of people who responded said they

01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.335
were very satisfied. A further 15% said

01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:14.359
they were satisfied. So 65% basically

01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:17.656
twothirds of all people were either

01:06:17.680 --> 01:06:20.216
satisfied or very satisfied with this

01:06:20.240 --> 01:06:22.696
document. So we often talk about

01:06:22.720 --> 01:06:24.616
consultation, how important it is that

01:06:24.640 --> 01:06:26.616
we listen to our community. Well, I

01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:27.976
think we need to listen to our community

01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:29.736
and I think we need to support this. So

01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:31.335
that's all. Thank you.

01:06:31.359 --> 01:06:32.775
Thank you, Councelor Hill. Are there any

01:06:32.799 --> 01:06:35.799
other counselors?

01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:38.696
There being none, before I ask councelor

01:06:38.720 --> 01:06:41.656
Agirtan to close, I will just add that I

01:06:41.680 --> 01:06:43.896
am supportive of this  recommendation

01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.456
this evening, including point three. Um

01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:47.656
I do think it's important that we

01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:49.976
obviously get those budget line items so

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.656
that councilors are satisfied with that

01:06:51.680 --> 01:06:53.416
information as well. I do think it's

01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:55.256
important that I think councilors are

01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.256
correct. We do support minority groups

01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.280
within our community and I always try to

01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.480
 live by the sort of I suppose motto

01:07:03.520 --> 01:07:06.520
or creed that no matter who you are,

01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:08.696
where you are from, your faith, your

01:07:08.720 --> 01:07:10.936
culture, you are welcome as long as

01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:12.376
you're a good person. And I think these

01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:13.815
people in our community are wonderful

01:07:13.839 --> 01:07:16.136
people who contribute enormously to our

01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:18.295
Kingston community who certainly deserve

01:07:18.319 --> 01:07:21.015
our support. Um, this is one way of

01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:22.775
doing that. I know it it can be a

01:07:22.799 --> 01:07:24.535
divisive issue. I don't think it should

01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:26.216
be. I think it should be about

01:07:26.240 --> 01:07:28.856
supporting people in our community that

01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:30.936
may need different things to others. And

01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.456
I think that's that's the way that I try

01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:34.696
to look at it in its simplest form. I

01:07:34.720 --> 01:07:37.416
know there's a lot more to it. Um but in

01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:38.775
its simplest form, that's what it's

01:07:38.799 --> 01:07:40.216
about for me. And and it's bringing

01:07:40.240 --> 01:07:42.775
people together and sharing cultures and

01:07:42.799 --> 01:07:44.616
be that indigenous and first nations

01:07:44.640 --> 01:07:46.535
people or or be that those of of

01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:47.976
different cultures and faiths who come

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.295
into our community, we are supportive.

01:07:50.319 --> 01:07:52.456
We are welcoming. And I think that there

01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.376
are ways and means that we can do that.

01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.216
Um I'm always supportive of looking at

01:07:56.240 --> 01:07:57.896
different ways that we can do that and

01:07:57.920 --> 01:07:59.496
the ways that we spend money in doing

01:07:59.520 --> 01:08:01.815
that. So I'm very supportive of.3 as

01:08:01.839 --> 01:08:04.055
well. Um but I think that this this is

01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.295
important. So I will be supporting it

01:08:06.319 --> 01:08:08.535
this evening. Council Agati wish to

01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:11.176
close. Thank you. I will put that to the

01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:14.200
vote. All those in favor

01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.376
that is councelor Ethanosopouloolis.

01:08:16.400 --> 01:08:18.775
Councelor Sab councelor Ashworth. Oh

01:08:18.799 --> 01:08:21.799
sorry in parts.

01:08:23.120 --> 01:08:26.120
Thank you. Good catch.

01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.616
This is parts one and two. All those in

01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.640
favor of parts one and two.

01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.335
Councelor Thanosopoulos, Councelor How,

01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:37.096
Councelor Sab, Councelor Ashworth,

01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:40.120
Colette, Councelor Hill, and myself. All

01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.096
those against

01:08:43.120 --> 01:08:46.120
council white and abstaining.

01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.056
Are you against? Against councelor

01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:52.456
Revenitus as well.

01:08:52.480 --> 01:08:54.616
and abstaining.

01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:57.576
Councelor O'Donnell, Councelor Agirtan,

01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.600
Councelor How was four

01:09:01.679 --> 01:09:04.679
and that is carried.

01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:10.199
Now all those in favor

01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.319
of part three

01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.376
that is councelor how councelor

01:09:16.400 --> 01:09:18.376
O'Donnell councelor Thanosopoulos

01:09:18.400 --> 01:09:20.856
councelor Agirtan councelor Revitus

01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:22.616
councelor Ashworth Colette councelor

01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:25.416
Hill and myself

01:09:25.440 --> 01:09:28.440
all those against

01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:32.279
council white and abstaining

01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.695
councelor SA

01:09:34.719 --> 01:09:36.936
that is carried

01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.960
Thank you.

01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.239
Item 10.1, the quarter 3 capital works

01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.496
result.

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.215
Do I have a motion? Moved. Councelor

01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.775
Agirtan and a seconder.

01:09:50.799 --> 01:09:53.799
Councelor Erevnidis.

01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:01.016
Do you wish to speak to the motion?

01:10:01.040 --> 01:10:03.896
Council Agitan, Councelor Reanas,

01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:06.920
Reserve, Council White.

01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:09.576
Um, I just wanted to note that Dingley

01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.096
Village are getting some new cricket

01:10:11.120 --> 01:10:13.016
nets, so hopefully we don't have any

01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:15.336
more injuries for the cricketers down in

01:10:15.360 --> 01:10:17.096
Dingley Village before their next

01:10:17.120 --> 01:10:19.816
season. That would be good.

01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:21.416
Thank you, Councelor White. Are there

01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:23.736
any other counselors on this matter?

01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.760
Councelor Thanos.

01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.816
Thanks, Mayor. And um I know it's noted

01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:32.536
in highlight there in in I should say

01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:34.376
the recommendation there. So therefore

01:10:34.400 --> 01:10:37.256
highlighted  that in quarter 3 the

01:10:37.280 --> 01:10:40.280
program has delivered around 43%. Um now

01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:44.936
that is assuming that in the last 3

01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.655
months we're going to hopefully be able

01:10:47.679 --> 01:10:50.376
to complete the other 52%.

01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:53.400
Um which is very ambitious but it does

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:55.256
go throughout the report and express

01:10:55.280 --> 01:10:57.256
some of those concerns in there. I just

01:10:57.280 --> 01:10:59.496
wanted to highlight that because I don't

01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.416
if people do look through these I think

01:11:01.440 --> 01:11:02.856
it's fair for someone to say all right

01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:05.880
so if you divide 43 by three quarters

01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.896
you know you're looking at like 12 odd

01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:10.920
percent maybe 13 15% per quarter how you

01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.960
going to do the last 50%. But um what we

01:11:14.320 --> 01:11:16.376
do know is that we have a great team who

01:11:16.400 --> 01:11:18.695
have identified a whole bunch of issues

01:11:18.719 --> 01:11:20.296
um and are definitely going to get as

01:11:20.320 --> 01:11:23.320
close to that 95% that we are aiming for

01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.215
as soon as possible. Um, if any of that

01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:28.056
changes, I'm sure our officers and team

01:11:28.080 --> 01:11:29.976
will come to us and advise us on what

01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:31.976
that might be. So, I just thought that's

01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.000
a very , you know, a big a small

01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:37.976
number really u, but a very important

01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.256
number when we're looking at three

01:11:39.280 --> 01:11:41.336
quarters of our capital work results.

01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:44.360
All in all, , the report has gone into

01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:46.856
some really amazing things that this

01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:48.776
community or this council I should say

01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.800
is doing for our community. Um, and I

01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:53.736
hope that it continues well into truly

01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.135
into the future.

01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:57.736
Thank you, Councelor Thanos. Are there

01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:00.760
any other counselors?

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:03.096
There being none, I will put that to the

01:12:03.120 --> 01:12:05.976
vote. All those in favor?

01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.215
That is carried unanimously.

01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:10.776
We'll move to item 10.2, Council

01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.256
O'Donnell.

01:12:13.280 --> 01:12:14.856
Well,

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.096
I'd like to move an alternate motion,

01:12:17.120 --> 01:12:19.416
please. Thank you.

01:12:19.440 --> 01:12:20.776
Bear with me just a moment while we get

01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:23.800
it on the screen.

01:12:30.719 --> 01:12:33.719
Can you just check that that's correct?

01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:40.695
That's correct. Thank you. Do I have a

01:12:40.719 --> 01:12:43.719
seconder? Councelor Eanitus.

01:12:45.360 --> 01:12:48.360
Councelor O'Donnell.

01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:52.536
It is very clear with the alternate

01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.560
motion here um the issues that are very

01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:57.896
present in the south. The one that I do

01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.056
really want to highlight this evening

01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:03.016
and continues to be

01:13:03.040 --> 01:13:06.040
a huge problem for those who are

01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:08.296
interested in the Groves Reserve site as

01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:10.776
for those who live in the direct impact

01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:13.655
zone which I'm now referring to it um as

01:13:13.679 --> 01:13:16.376
I do. I have conversations every single

01:13:16.400 --> 01:13:19.400
day in regards to this site. And yes, we

01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:22.600
have our new unnamed road um which is

01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:25.640
making life a lot easier minus the

01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:29.256
single lane heading south on the pan

01:13:29.280 --> 01:13:30.695
highway. I don't need to tell anyone

01:13:30.719 --> 01:13:33.719
who's attempted that how horrific it is.

01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.695
Um the significance of Groves Reserve

01:13:38.719 --> 01:13:41.175
and the absolute obliteration that took

01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:43.576
place there. We're seriously still

01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:45.336
playing a game of hideand seek and where

01:13:45.360 --> 01:13:48.296
the seeds have gone from those trees

01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:50.376
that were wiped out faster than you've

01:13:50.400 --> 01:13:53.175
ever seen the level crossing people work

01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.199
before or at least me um that I have

01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.655
ever personally seen. Where are these

01:13:59.679 --> 01:14:02.679
seeds? Are they being raised? We need to

01:14:03.679 --> 01:14:06.296
have them going back into what still

01:14:06.320 --> 01:14:09.320
currently looks like a war zone because

01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.816
we need to protect these green spaces.

01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.376
And whilst we tried really, really hard,

01:14:16.400 --> 01:14:18.376
residents council, we stood up for

01:14:18.400 --> 01:14:20.936
Groves reserves, we did everything that

01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.576
we could. We advocated to state

01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.600
government, we advocated to the LXRP

01:14:27.040 --> 01:14:28.936
with very little return. In fact,

01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.616
nothing. I think they worked faster. or

01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:32.296
at least that in my opinion they work

01:14:32.320 --> 01:14:35.320
faster when those concerns were raised.

01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.840
Do as you should and put the trees back

01:14:41.360 --> 01:14:43.816
to where they belong.

01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:45.976
Not little saplings that are yay high or

01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:47.736
knee high to a grasshopper as my

01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:50.760
grandparents would have said.

01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.880
But come on, we are wiping out our green

01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.000
spaces faster than any of us have ever

01:14:58.080 --> 01:15:00.215
seen before.

01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:02.376
Let's make sure that down south we are

01:15:02.400 --> 01:15:04.376
looked after to make sure that we have

01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:07.175
the open spaces. We have very limited

01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:09.175
space down there. Edithal Patterson

01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:11.655
Lakes, you guys have been smashed as

01:15:11.679 --> 01:15:13.496
well. Going to throw Chelsea in there to

01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.896
join us because the tree canopy coverage

01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:18.215
is literally being removed right before

01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:21.239
our eyes. And I hope tonight this can

01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.736
make sure that we get a focus back on

01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:26.760
this area to do what we are responsible

01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:29.496
to do. Thank you.

01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:31.096
Thank you councelor O'Donnell. Councelor

01:15:31.120 --> 01:15:32.695
Evanus

01:15:32.719 --> 01:15:34.695
reserve. Are there any other councils on

01:15:34.719 --> 01:15:37.719
this matter? Councelor Sab.

01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:40.376
Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to propose an

01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:42.776
amendment if I can, please.

01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:43.736
Yes.

01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:46.695
Just the inclusion of points two and

01:15:46.719 --> 01:15:49.719
three of the original recommendation to

01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:52.920
 this alternative motion.

01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.416
Bear with us while we get that on the

01:15:57.440 --> 01:16:00.440
screen.

01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.880
So

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.576
that's there as seven and eight.

01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:58.600
Yes.

01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:03.736
Councelor O'Donnell, are you supportive

01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.760
of one or both of those?

01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.640
So, seven and eight.

01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:14.536
Just to make sure we're getting the

01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:17.560
right

01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.960
council.

01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.560
No, I leave it.

01:17:36.080 --> 01:17:39.080
So, put it to an amendment. Yes. ,

01:17:39.280 --> 01:17:42.280
that's not acceptable to the mover and

01:17:42.320 --> 01:17:44.616
seconder.

01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.640
No. So, we'll put that through then to

01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:49.496
the vote if there is a seconder for the

01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:52.376
amendment.

01:17:52.400 --> 01:17:55.400
Council Ashworth. Colette.

01:18:19.360 --> 01:18:21.016
and can we just highlight point seven

01:18:21.040 --> 01:18:23.896
and eight please?

01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.920
Thank you.

01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:28.616
Council s would you like to speak to the

01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:29.576
amendment?

01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:32.536
Yes. Thank you. So I first just to thank

01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:35.096
councelor Odong for  the work on the

01:18:35.120 --> 01:18:36.856
alternative motion. I think it's pretty

01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:38.695
 clear what they're trying to achieve

01:18:38.719 --> 01:18:40.536
given the open space strategy highlight

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:42.776
some of the um deficiencies in certain

01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:44.616
spaces including on tree canopy coverage

01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:47.175
down south of Modial Creek. I just note

01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:50.056
that the original notice of motion 

01:18:50.080 --> 01:18:52.695
was in reference to the open space

01:18:52.719 --> 01:18:54.856
strategy that wasn't specific to just

01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:56.856
this tree canopy coverage stuff. And I

01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:58.376
think what's included in the original

01:18:58.400 --> 01:19:00.215
report is just really important to note

01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.096
given it was actually supportive of 

01:19:03.120 --> 01:19:05.336
what the original notice of motion was.

01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:08.360
I do think that this isn't a really con

01:19:09.280 --> 01:19:12.280
you know  this is not a difficult not

01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.215
amendment that should be considered. It

01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:15.576
seems pretty straightforward. It's

01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:17.816
actually um you know given most of the

01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:19.096
commentary does not reflect in

01:19:19.120 --> 01:19:21.976
opposition to what was proposed u but

01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:24.616
it's requesting for reporting or for

01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:26.856
more information. Um, I feel as though

01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:28.536
you could include these two points. They

01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:31.560
actually support what the intention is

01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:33.016
that's being delivered by the

01:19:33.040 --> 01:19:35.016
alternative motion and doesn't actually

01:19:35.040 --> 01:19:37.336
diminish what the original motion was.

01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:39.096
Um, which this is in response to, but

01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:40.296
also what the report has then

01:19:40.320 --> 01:19:41.655
highlighted. I think it's just important

01:19:41.679 --> 01:19:43.655
that we kind of refer it back to those

01:19:43.679 --> 01:19:45.416
strategies. I I do think it sort of

01:19:45.440 --> 01:19:47.336
actually supports what  councelor

01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:50.296
O'Donnell and Council Reinitis were

01:19:50.320 --> 01:19:53.320
trying to do. Um, yes. So I I I commend

01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:55.576
it and I think it should be pretty

01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:56.856
straightforward for our councilors to

01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:58.135
support given it was part of the

01:19:58.159 --> 01:19:59.416
recommendation and there was no real

01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:02.440
opposition to that particular part.

01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.096
Thank you councelor Sab Council Ashworth

01:20:05.120 --> 01:20:08.120
Collet

01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.135
reserve. Any other councils on the

01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:13.159
amendment?

01:20:15.120 --> 01:20:17.976
I will just say  as far as the

01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.856
amendment goes, I think seven whilst I

01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:22.856
can understand councelor Sab's um

01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:24.456
contention

01:20:24.480 --> 01:20:26.135
whilst yes it's in the open space

01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.135
strategy in reference to some of the

01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:29.496
points within this motion and the reason

01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.655
why I wouldn't be supporting at least 7

01:20:31.679 --> 01:20:34.679
um I'd be supportive of 8 point 7 being

01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:39.239
the fact that there are in five point B

01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:42.856
and C is asking for a report in terms of

01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.536
the increase in the open space provision

01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.256
in two of those areas. The open space

01:20:47.280 --> 01:20:49.576
strategy is not necessarily 

01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:51.896
supportive of a first line of call of

01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:54.296
purchasing new land or increasing open

01:20:54.320 --> 01:20:57.256
space provision. It is as you  have

01:20:57.280 --> 01:20:59.175
rightly pointed out in that that is

01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:02.199
around the prioritizing improvements to

01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:04.536
connectivity, access and amenity within

01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:06.776
existing open space network. It isn't

01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.496
necessarily referring to the increasing

01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:11.655
of open space provision and that would

01:21:11.679 --> 01:21:14.215
be my concern in doing that. it in some

01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.695
ways negates a little bit of of some of

01:21:16.719 --> 01:21:18.135
that point but doesn't negate the whole

01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:19.416
motion which is why I allowed it to

01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:21.496
begin with but that would be why I

01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:24.520
wouldn't be supportive of point 7 um

01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.736
supportive of8 was in the original

01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:29.416
motion and I think we probably could

01:21:29.440 --> 01:21:30.536
have done that a little bit better than

01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:32.776
perhaps what we did um so would be

01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:35.016
supportive of point8 but I wouldn't be

01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:37.976
supporting.7

01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:39.416
before I put it to a vote are there any

01:21:39.440 --> 01:21:42.440
other

01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:47.736
um

01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:50.760
you can

01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:53.976
it's probably easier now just to put

01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:56.056
them in parts and vote them in parts

01:21:56.080 --> 01:21:57.576
given that we've now said it hasn't been

01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.016
accepted. So I'm just going to put it

01:21:59.040 --> 01:22:02.040
then in parts if that's the case. Are

01:22:02.639 --> 01:22:03.655
there any other councils on the

01:22:03.679 --> 01:22:06.679
amendment?

01:22:07.360 --> 01:22:10.360
Then I will put.7 then to the vote.

01:23:44.719 --> 01:23:47.719
All those in favor

01:23:48.320 --> 01:23:51.320
of 7 being included within the motion.

01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:55.416
That is councelor Thanosopoulos,

01:23:55.440 --> 01:23:57.416
councelor Sab, councelor Ashworth,

01:23:57.440 --> 01:24:00.296
Colette, and councelor Hill.

01:24:00.320 --> 01:24:02.456
All those against

01:24:02.480 --> 01:24:04.456
councelor How, Councelor O'Donnell,

01:24:04.480 --> 01:24:06.456
councelor White, councelor Agirtan,

01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:09.256
councelor Erevnidis and myself.

01:24:09.280 --> 01:24:12.280
So part seven is lost.

01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:19.880
We'll now move to part eight.

01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.600
all those in favor of part eight

01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:05.896
that is councelor how councelor

01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:07.736
O'Donnell councelor white councelor

01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:09.896
Agirtan, councelor Evanus, councelor

01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:11.496
Sarab, councelor Ashworth Colette,

01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.520
Councelor Hill and myself

01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.560
against and abstaining,

01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.976
councelor thanosopoulos

01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:22.695
and councelor Agirtan

01:25:22.719 --> 01:25:25.719
that is carried.

01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:27.896
So 8 then becomes part of the

01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:30.920
substantive motion.

01:25:31.040 --> 01:25:34.040
So we'll move 7.

01:25:58.719 --> 01:26:00.856
Thank you. Are there any other councils

01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:03.880
that wish to speak?

01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:08.856
There being none, can I just add my

01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:11.016
support to the motion this evening? I

01:26:11.040 --> 01:26:13.496
think it is wonderful and look forward

01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:16.520
to receiving that extra information.

01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:19.576
Councelor,

01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:21.736
oh no, it's been amended.

01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:24.615
You don't get to close.

01:26:24.639 --> 01:26:26.615
I will now put that to the vote. All

01:26:26.639 --> 01:26:29.639
those in favor

01:26:30.400 --> 01:26:32.456
that is councelor how councelor

01:26:32.480 --> 01:26:34.456
O'Donnell councelorosopouloolis

01:26:34.480 --> 01:26:37.175
councelor white councelor Agirtan sorry

01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:39.816
councelor s is your hand up

01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.840
thank you that is carried unanimously

01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:47.496
item

01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.520
10.3 councelorus

01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:55.239
thank you madame may um I move um I'd

01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.760
like to move an alternate motion as it

01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:00.695
appears.

01:27:00.719 --> 01:27:02.776
Thank you.

01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:05.016
Do I have a seconder? Councelor

01:27:05.040 --> 01:27:07.016
O'Donnell.

01:27:07.040 --> 01:27:09.175
Councelor Evanas.

01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:11.655
I apologize in advance for speaking so

01:27:11.679 --> 01:27:13.736
quickly just so I can get through it.

01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:14.856
Okay.

01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:16.936
Um I'd like to speak to this report

01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:18.456
regarding the continued use of

01:27:18.480 --> 01:27:20.456
glyphosate and chemical weed control

01:27:20.480 --> 01:27:22.936
across our municipality. I appreciate

01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:24.536
the work that has gone into preparing

01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:26.215
this work, but I believe the debate

01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:28.056
being presented is framed too narrowly

01:27:28.080 --> 01:27:30.296
around operational convenience, visual

01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:32.456
presentation, and budget efficiency

01:27:32.480 --> 01:27:34.615
rather than around long-term community

01:27:34.639 --> 01:27:37.416
health and environmental responsibility.

01:27:37.440 --> 01:27:39.175
Throughout this report, this report,

01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.016
there is a strong focus on maintaining

01:27:41.040 --> 01:27:43.416
appearance standards, avoiding visible

01:27:43.440 --> 01:27:45.336
weeds, reducing repeat visits, and

01:27:45.360 --> 01:27:47.576
protecting council reputation. But I

01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:49.096
think that many residents would ask

01:27:49.120 --> 01:27:51.256
whether perfectly manicured parks and

01:27:51.280 --> 01:27:53.736
streets would should outweigh concerns

01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:56.056
about repeated chemical use in public

01:27:56.080 --> 01:27:58.215
spaces used by children, pets, sporting

01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:00.376
groups and families every day. The

01:28:00.400 --> 01:28:02.215
debate presented in the report says

01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:04.695
reducing herbicide could use  use

01:28:04.719 --> 01:28:06.776
could create operational challenges,

01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:08.695
increase costs, and reduce service

01:28:08.719 --> 01:28:11.175
standards, but councils regularly invest

01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:13.016
additional funding when communities

01:28:13.040 --> 01:28:15.655
expect safer outcomes. We do not reject

01:28:15.679 --> 01:28:18.215
roada safety upgrades, accessibility

01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:19.816
improvements, or environmental

01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:22.056
protections simply because they cost

01:28:22.080 --> 01:28:24.615
more. If safer alternatives require

01:28:24.639 --> 01:28:26.376
greater investment, then that's a

01:28:26.400 --> 01:28:28.695
discussion worth having. Another issue

01:28:28.719 --> 01:28:31.096
raised in this report is transparency.

01:28:31.120 --> 01:28:33.016
We are told spraying is communicated

01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:35.576
through signage and QR codes, but many

01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:37.736
people reasonably ask, if these products

01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:40.135
are completely safe, why are warnings

01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:42.695
warning signs necessary at all? That

01:28:42.719 --> 01:28:45.256
contradiction contributes to a growing

01:28:45.280 --> 01:28:47.976
public concern. The report also relies

01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:49.896
heavily on the argument that glyphosate

01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:52.615
uses use use complies with legislation

01:28:52.639 --> 01:28:55.336
and safety requirements. But compliance

01:28:55.360 --> 01:28:57.496
does not automatically equal public

01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.896
confidence around the world. Glyphosate

01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:02.215
has faced enormous legal scrutiny,

01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:04.215
including major court cases in the

01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:06.615
United States involving claims linking

01:29:06.639 --> 01:29:09.496
Roundup exposure to cancer. Bayer

01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:11.736
already has paid out billions of dollars

01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:13.896
in settlements and there are now ongoing

01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:15.976
attempts in parts of the US to create

01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:18.135
legal protections that would make it

01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.096
significantly harder for future lawsuits

01:29:21.120 --> 01:29:23.096
against glyphosate manufacturers to

01:29:23.120 --> 01:29:25.655
proceed. If a product is safe, then one

01:29:25.679 --> 01:29:28.679
must ask why does it need government

01:29:29.040 --> 01:29:31.416
protection? Regardless of differing

01:29:31.440 --> 01:29:33.655
legal or scientific opinions, those

01:29:33.679 --> 01:29:35.175
developments have understandably

01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:37.816
increased community concern and caution.

01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:39.816
Importantly, this debate should not be

01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.056
reduced to weed control versus no weed

01:29:42.080 --> 01:29:44.215
control. Obviously, nobody's suggesting

01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:45.976
council abandon weed management

01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:48.536
altogether. The real issue is whether we

01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:50.936
continue relying primarily on chemical

01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:52.936
solutions because they are currently the

01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:55.096
cheapest and easiest option or whether

01:29:55.120 --> 01:29:57.816
we begin investing more seriously in

01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:00.536
non-chemical and lower alternatives over

01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:02.936
time. The report itself acknowledges

01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:04.615
that innovation and continuous

01:30:04.639 --> 01:30:06.856
improvement should be pursued. If that

01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:08.856
principle genuinely matters, then

01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:10.376
council should be willing to explore

01:30:10.400 --> 01:30:12.456
approaches that reduce long-term

01:30:12.480 --> 01:30:14.296
chemical dependence instead of

01:30:14.320 --> 01:30:16.776
reinforcing it. I'm also concerned that

01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:18.776
the report measures success almost

01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.016
entirely through operational metrics,

01:30:21.040 --> 01:30:23.175
things like treatment efficiency,

01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:24.695
presentation standards, and

01:30:24.719 --> 01:30:26.695
productivity. But where are the measures

01:30:26.719 --> 01:30:29.175
for biodiversity improvement?

01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:31.336
Environmental resilience, reduce

01:30:31.360 --> 01:30:33.096
chemical exposure, or community

01:30:33.120 --> 01:30:35.976
confidence in safer public spaces. A

01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:37.976
park does not fail because a few weeds

01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.215
are visible. In fact, many communities

01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:41.976
are increasingly supportive of more

01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:44.296
natural landscapes if it means reducing

01:30:44.320 --> 01:30:46.056
chemical use and protecting public

01:30:46.080 --> 01:30:48.456
health. If people were educated about

01:30:48.480 --> 01:30:50.215
the effects of long-term chemical

01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:52.215
exposure, I wonder if the customer

01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:53.896
satisfaction survey regarding

01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:56.296
neighborhood appearances may differ.

01:30:56.320 --> 01:30:58.456
Ultimately, this decision comes down to

01:30:58.480 --> 01:31:01.016
what kind of m municipality we want to

01:31:01.040 --> 01:31:03.336
have be moving forward. One that

01:31:03.360 --> 01:31:05.336
prioritizes appearance and and

01:31:05.360 --> 01:31:08.296
short-term efficiency above all else, or

01:31:08.320 --> 01:31:10.376
one that takes a precautionary approach

01:31:10.400 --> 01:31:12.536
when it comes to chemicals in shared

01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:14.376
places.

01:31:14.400 --> 01:31:16.776
I think I'll leave it there for now.

01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:19.800
Right on time through it. Thank you.

01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:22.296
Thank you, councelor Evanas. Councelor

01:31:22.320 --> 01:31:25.320
O'Donnell.

01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:31.016
Don't worry, Councelor H. I'll be brief.

01:31:31.040 --> 01:31:32.695
Um

01:31:32.719 --> 01:31:35.416
I I just wanted to thank councelor

01:31:35.440 --> 01:31:37.416
Evanes for all the work that she's put

01:31:37.440 --> 01:31:38.936
into

01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:41.256
everything regarding notice of motion

01:31:41.280 --> 01:31:44.280
initially and how thorough you've been

01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.960
with catching up or engaging with other

01:31:48.639 --> 01:31:51.096
counselors to to get this done. Give us

01:31:51.120 --> 01:31:54.120
all a better understanding um of how

01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:57.880
dangerous this chemical can be. Um, I

01:31:58.000 --> 01:31:59.576
know that I've certainly been contacted

01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:02.600
by residents and as I referred initially

01:32:03.679 --> 01:32:06.679
to an instance in waterways where

01:32:07.280 --> 01:32:09.736
although Irene is not here tonight, um,

01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:12.760
she frequents council meetings, um, she

01:32:13.360 --> 01:32:16.360
is a very special puppy in training as

01:32:18.719 --> 01:32:21.719
an assistance dog and she did find

01:32:23.280 --> 01:32:25.336
herself in a situation where glyphosate

01:32:25.360 --> 01:32:28.056
had been sprayed. I was actually ran

01:32:28.080 --> 01:32:29.816
into her in the park that day, not like

01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:31.175
literally, but she was there whilst I

01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.736
was there. Um, and it did have an impact

01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:36.296
on her. She did require seeing a

01:32:36.320 --> 01:32:38.615
veterinarian and then required 3 to 4

01:32:38.639 --> 01:32:40.776
days of rest and she was quite young at

01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:43.800
the time. So that's how puppy dogs and

01:32:44.480 --> 01:32:47.480
certainly an extra special dog. um kids,

01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:51.960
adults, elderly, all of us

01:32:52.719 --> 01:32:55.719
need to be aware of of what potential

01:32:56.400 --> 01:32:59.096
risks come with the use of glyphosate.

01:32:59.120 --> 01:33:01.736
So whilst we can turn around and talk

01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:03.896
about costs and everything does come

01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:05.655
down to costs and certainly the way I

01:33:05.679 --> 01:33:07.336
spoke on the last motion that I spoke

01:33:07.360 --> 01:33:10.360
to, I was very concerned about costs.

01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:13.976
Sometimes

01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:16.376
well-being

01:33:16.400 --> 01:33:19.175
and people's general health and

01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:22.199
well-being is far more important. So, we

01:33:22.719 --> 01:33:24.776
should look to do things better and

01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:26.776
since we have an opportunity, I think we

01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.800
should.

01:33:30.480 --> 01:33:33.016
Thank you, Council O'Donnell. Council

01:33:33.040 --> 01:33:35.576
Gatan, Councelor Reitz, can you just

01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:37.816
turn your microphone off, please?

01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:40.840
That's okay. Thank you. I'll be

01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:43.960
exceptionally brief. Um I understand

01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:46.776
some councils um have expressed the

01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:49.800
concern around the cost of alternatives.

01:33:50.480 --> 01:33:52.936
I would like for the counselors to

01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:55.816
consider the cost for  for someone

01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.215
who's suffering from non-hodkkins

01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:01.175
lymphoma as a result of repeated

01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:04.135
exposure to this chemical and put it in

01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:06.615
the perspective. That is all. Thank you.

01:34:06.639 --> 01:34:08.456
Thank you councelor Gretan. Are there

01:34:08.480 --> 01:34:10.376
any other councils on this matter?

01:34:10.400 --> 01:34:13.336
Council H.

01:34:13.360 --> 01:34:15.175
Thank you, Madame Mayor. I'd just like

01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:18.199
to point out that everything has a risk.

01:34:18.400 --> 01:34:21.256
It's how we manage the risks. So, we

01:34:21.280 --> 01:34:23.175
manage the risks with our good practice.

01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:25.416
We manage risk with legislation such as

01:34:25.440 --> 01:34:28.440
the poisons act and the ONS act and the

01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:32.199
um agricultural act which governs the

01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:35.560
use of poisons.

01:34:37.360 --> 01:34:39.576
I live in a particular part of the world

01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:42.600
which has a beach and it gets round up

01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:45.576
on there every month. I've never seen

01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:47.416
any dead ducks, never seen any dead

01:34:47.440 --> 01:34:50.440
dogs, never dead cats. So,

01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:56.280
one of the things we base good

01:34:56.400 --> 01:34:58.776
process and good risk management upon is

01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.016
data. So, I don't think the council's

01:35:01.040 --> 01:35:04.040
seen much data on people getting sick.

01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:06.615
Maybe I could actually ask that question

01:35:06.639 --> 01:35:09.639
of an officer.

01:35:09.679 --> 01:35:12.679
Miss Croll.

01:35:13.120 --> 01:35:14.936
Thank you. And through you may know, we

01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:17.960
have not received any data or um

01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:20.296
communication from the community on

01:35:20.320 --> 01:35:21.496
getting sick from

01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:23.896
and what about animals?

01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:25.816
Not that I'm aware of. No, we haven't.

01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:28.840
Okay. So we we base decision making on

01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:32.600
facts and  risk management and process

01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:35.960
and  so I'm not seeing that

01:35:37.440 --> 01:35:40.440
um the potential is enough reason to say

01:35:41.360 --> 01:35:43.256
no. Thank you.

01:35:43.280 --> 01:35:46.280
Thank you councelor how a question

01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:49.576
indeed.

01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:52.600
 and through you Maroxley, did you am

01:35:53.120 --> 01:35:55.416
I correct in saying that you requested a

01:35:55.440 --> 01:35:57.736
copy of the product safety data in

01:35:57.760 --> 01:35:59.576
regards to glyphosate?

01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:01.096
The material safety data sheet.

01:36:01.120 --> 01:36:02.056
Thank you. That one too.

01:36:02.080 --> 01:36:03.256
Yes, correct.

01:36:03.280 --> 01:36:05.576
Um did you receive that?

01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:08.600
I don't believe so.

01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:15.736
Yeah. So there was some information

01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.896
provided by officers but I don't believe

01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:20.920
the full M material safety data sheet

01:36:21.360 --> 01:36:24.360
was provided.

01:36:27.280 --> 01:36:29.336
It leaves me with concerns because as

01:36:29.360 --> 01:36:29.896
council

01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:30.856
you get a question

01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:33.880
pointed out regards to a question. Um

01:36:36.719 --> 01:36:39.719
so we don't as council we don't have the

01:36:40.239 --> 01:36:41.736
information

01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:44.296
for the

01:36:44.320 --> 01:36:45.336
you need to get to your question

01:36:45.360 --> 01:36:47.016
product safety data which is not the

01:36:47.040 --> 01:36:48.695
product safety it's the

01:36:48.719 --> 01:36:49.416
material safety

01:36:49.440 --> 01:36:51.736
material safety data sorry another world

01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:53.496
where I used to deal with that material

01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:55.816
safety data presented to council or

01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:57.736
yourself even though it was requested

01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:57.976
I'll

01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:01.000
I'll double check again thank

01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:36.440
I'm being told it was provided um in

01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:40.760
2025 in October via an email to

01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:44.840
counselors,

01:37:45.360 --> 01:37:47.095
but you are correct in saying that it it

01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:49.576
wasn't provided when asked for a week or

01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:51.736
two weeks ago. Were there any further

01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:53.416
questions?

01:37:53.440 --> 01:37:56.440
Thank you.  a question

01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:59.256
councelor. Thank you Marxley. Just

01:37:59.280 --> 01:38:01.256
wondering when we look at processes, do

01:38:01.280 --> 01:38:03.736
we look at the

01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:06.760
SDS upon the on the  the product or do

01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:09.416
we go and look at the processes and the

01:38:09.440 --> 01:38:12.440
data would support that?

01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:15.016
Miss Croll.

01:38:15.040 --> 01:38:16.615
Thank you through you mayor. We look at

01:38:16.639 --> 01:38:18.376
both councelor house. It's very

01:38:18.400 --> 01:38:21.400
important um that our staff who applying

01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:23.496
and these products are aware of what the

01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.976
products contain and we follow very

01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:29.000
strictly the um the recommended ways of

01:38:30.080 --> 01:38:32.856
applying and our staff have all the PPE

01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:35.336
appropriate PPE required.

01:38:35.360 --> 01:38:36.856
um that's all undertaken through

01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:39.016
training that they receive and then we

01:38:39.040 --> 01:38:41.095
also ensure that the place the areas

01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:44.119
where the spraying happens is kept um is

01:38:45.040 --> 01:38:47.095
well identified through signage and also

01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:50.119
staff move on once it's dried.

01:38:50.639 --> 01:38:52.296
A further question.

01:38:52.320 --> 01:38:53.816
Thank you. Could I ask another question

01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:56.840
please?

01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:00.215
With the SDS, did we ref did the

01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.135
officers reference the SDS when they did

01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:05.159
this report?

01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:11.896
through you may yes the officers would

01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:13.816
have referenced the SDS in preparing

01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:15.336
this report and putting forward

01:39:15.360 --> 01:39:16.776
recommendations and the background

01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:19.576
that's contained within the report.

01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:22.600
Thank you. Thank you, councelor. How um

01:39:22.639 --> 01:39:25.639
councelor Thanosopoulos,

01:39:26.480 --> 01:39:29.480
thank you. And um do want to say thank

01:39:30.480 --> 01:39:33.480
you  to councelor of Reidus for her

01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:37.320
impassion plea to council for council to

01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:40.600
adopt this. um 

01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:44.776
it is not an immaterial change to our

01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:46.456
budget when it comes to us approving

01:39:46.480 --> 01:39:49.480
this and looking at the debate that's

01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:51.576
how it's gone and some of the further

01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:53.016
information that probably needs to be

01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:55.336
deciphered. I think it would be prudent

01:39:55.360 --> 01:39:57.496
for council considering we do have a bit

01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:00.520
of a habit of this um for us to put

01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.095
forward a deferral. So, I'd like to put

01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:06.119
forward a motion for deferral till the

01:40:06.480 --> 01:40:09.480
June 2026 meeting.

01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.560
So, a motion to defer to June 2026.

01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:19.736
You want me to give my rationale behind

01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:20.056
it?

01:40:20.080 --> 01:40:20.376
No,

01:40:20.400 --> 01:40:22.936
not yet.

01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.960
I think it's pretty self-explanatory.

01:40:26.080 --> 01:40:27.496
You can give it at a later point, but

01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:30.520
not right now.

01:40:37.360 --> 01:40:40.360
Do I have a second for the deferral?

01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:43.800
Council Ashworth Colette.

01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:53.256
Now you can give your rational counsel

01:40:53.280 --> 01:40:55.576
that otherwise.

01:40:55.600 --> 01:40:58.600
Thanks Oxley. Um yeah, I think the

01:40:59.679 --> 01:41:02.536
points that are made about harm

01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:04.615
consideration of our officers and how

01:41:04.639 --> 01:41:07.639
they decide to use this product um and a

01:41:08.400 --> 01:41:11.400
good analysis that financial analysis

01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:14.536
supporting that in whichever way we

01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:16.695
decide to go, I think is something that

01:41:16.719 --> 01:41:19.719
would benefit all counselors. Um

01:41:21.440 --> 01:41:22.856
whether we could do that in a month, I'm

01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:25.175
not entirely sure. don't know how 

01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:26.615
covered that will be for everyone to

01:41:26.639 --> 01:41:29.256
make a decision in June, but judging by

01:41:29.280 --> 01:41:30.296
some of the questions that have been

01:41:30.320 --> 01:41:31.976
thrown around, I think it would be

01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:34.776
helpful. And considering the the impulse

01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:36.056
that this is going to be sending, and

01:41:36.080 --> 01:41:37.175
don't forget, we're going to be

01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:39.655
considering a budget a bit later on, um

01:41:39.679 --> 01:41:41.496
we should understand how that's going to

01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:43.576
be impacted. So, by extending it through

01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:46.600
to June 2026, we know our budget

01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.736
hopefully by the end of tonight,

01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:51.256
assuming it doesn't get deferred later

01:41:51.280 --> 01:41:54.280
on. um and potentially  can make a

01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:56.536
decision based on some of that evidence

01:41:56.560 --> 01:41:59.256
that we're seeking to help clarify some

01:41:59.280 --> 01:42:01.256
of the claims that  are sort of being

01:42:01.280 --> 01:42:02.215
made.

01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:03.896
Thank you, councelor Thanos. Council

01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:06.920
Ashworth Colette.

01:42:09.360 --> 01:42:11.256
I guess it would be great if this could

01:42:11.280 --> 01:42:14.280
come back with a briefing with exact

01:42:14.400 --> 01:42:17.095
costings around this. I know some people

01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.016
are talking in the room that it doesn't

01:42:19.040 --> 01:42:20.695
matter. Health's worth more than some

01:42:20.719 --> 01:42:22.215
things. That's okay. Maybe if we're

01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.296
spending our own money, we're spending

01:42:24.320 --> 01:42:26.215
taxpayers money here. It's going to be

01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:28.615
big bucks. So, I really feel like we

01:42:28.639 --> 01:42:31.639
need a detailed um analysis about how

01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:33.336
much this is actually going to cost us

01:42:33.360 --> 01:42:35.256
so that I can make an informed decision.

01:42:35.280 --> 01:42:36.536
Thanks so much.

01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:37.976
Thank you, Council Ashworth. Colette,

01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:41.000
any other councils on the deferral?

01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.000
Council Hill.

01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:47.336
Yeah, thanks Madame Mayor. Um, look, we

01:42:47.360 --> 01:42:50.360
know um that the previous cost in 2019,

01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.215
I think it was, was some somewhere in

01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.456
the  region of a million dollars

01:42:56.480 --> 01:42:59.480
additional um to the use of glyoply

01:42:59.679 --> 01:43:02.679
glyphosate, sorry. Um, now we can only

01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:05.496
but therefore calculate that we're

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:08.520
probably in the region of 1.5 plus

01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:11.256
million. Um, and I think when we're

01:43:11.280 --> 01:43:13.336
talking that sort of number, it will no

01:43:13.360 --> 01:43:16.360
doubt impact, you know, one or more line

01:43:16.639 --> 01:43:18.056
items in the budget if we were to go

01:43:18.080 --> 01:43:20.135
down this path. So, I think it would

01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:22.376
just be make common sense that we would

01:43:22.400 --> 01:43:24.776
at least be armed with that information

01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:26.695
um so we can make a good decision on

01:43:26.719 --> 01:43:28.936
behalf of our rate payers.

01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:29.896
Thank you.

01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:31.175
Thank you, Council Hill. Any other

01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:34.199
councils on the deferral?

01:43:36.400 --> 01:43:38.296
Given that there are none, before I put

01:43:38.320 --> 01:43:41.095
the deferral to a vote, um I won't be

01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:43.496
supporting a deferral. We have had this

01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.016
information. We've had this information

01:43:45.040 --> 01:43:46.695
in countless reports across multiple

01:43:46.719 --> 01:43:48.776
different councils as to what it costs

01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:51.800
to remove the use of glyphosate. And I I

01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:55.736
think we need to start making these

01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:57.175
decisions or not making these decisions.

01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:59.576
It's completely up to council. Um but we

01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:01.816
do need to make a decision and I think

01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:03.816
there's enough information there. Um, so

01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:06.840
it won't be supporting a deferral.

01:44:08.320 --> 01:44:11.256
No, a procedural motion.

01:44:11.280 --> 01:44:12.856
So it's a procedural motion being the

01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:15.496
deferral. So you don't

01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:18.215
I will put the deferral to the vote. All

01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:21.239
those in favor of the deferral.

01:44:22.320 --> 01:44:25.016
That is counceloropoulos, councelor Sab,

01:44:25.040 --> 01:44:26.296
councelor Ashworth, Colette, and

01:44:26.320 --> 01:44:29.320
councelor Hill. All those against

01:44:30.639 --> 01:44:32.776
councelor How, Councelor O'Donnell,

01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:34.695
councelor White, councelor Agirtan,

01:44:34.719 --> 01:44:37.416
councelor Erevnidis, and myself. The

01:44:37.440 --> 01:44:39.576
deferral is lost.

01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:42.600
We'll move back to the substantive

01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:45.880
councelor Ashworth Colette.

01:44:47.360 --> 01:44:48.936
Through you, may I just got a question

01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:51.175
to the relevant officer. How much is

01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:54.135
this exactly going to cost us?

01:44:54.159 --> 01:44:56.296
Miss Crow.

01:44:56.320 --> 01:44:58.456
Thank you. June and through May. Um this

01:44:58.480 --> 01:45:00.456
is outlined in the report in front of

01:45:00.480 --> 01:45:03.480
you as well councilors. So if council

01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:05.736
ceased the use of glyphosate went back

01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:08.760
to steam weeding which council did 7

01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.496
years ago

01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.215
at that point in time in 2019. It cost

01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:17.239
an additional $1 million perom to

01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.256
undertake steaming in place of

01:45:19.280 --> 01:45:22.215
glyphosate. It's expected that 7 years

01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:23.976
later those cost escalations will

01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:26.056
obviously come to place. it'll be more

01:45:26.080 --> 01:45:28.615
than that amount and in addition we have

01:45:28.639 --> 01:45:31.496
also acquired and taken on additional

01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:34.135
open space um either from level crossing

01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:37.159
removal works or victory road elders

01:45:37.440 --> 01:45:38.856
south reserve is another reserve that

01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:40.615
council's taken on the open space and

01:45:40.639 --> 01:45:42.615
created so we do have additional open

01:45:42.639 --> 01:45:44.936
space as well which needs to have weed

01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:46.456
management which would impact on that

01:45:46.480 --> 01:45:49.480
pricing

01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:52.376
thank you for thank you for the

01:45:52.400 --> 01:45:53.976
information regards to how much it cost

01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:55.655
seven years ago Are you able to give me

01:45:55.679 --> 01:45:57.256
a figure about what it would cost in

01:45:57.280 --> 01:45:59.576
today's money so I can make a decision

01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:02.600
and what it would cost right now?

01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:05.336
Miss Croll,

01:46:05.360 --> 01:46:08.056
thank you. Um, and with in the absence

01:46:08.080 --> 01:46:09.655
of going out to tender to get a market

01:46:09.679 --> 01:46:11.655
rate, we've done some cost escalation

01:46:11.679 --> 01:46:13.736
calculations and it would be in the

01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:16.760
order of 1.2 to 1.4 million would be the

01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:20.119
estimate of doing um of doing weed

01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:23.175
management through steam weeding. That

01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:26.199
would be the cost perom.

01:46:26.480 --> 01:46:29.016
Thank you very much.

01:46:29.040 --> 01:46:30.376
Were there any further questions?

01:46:30.400 --> 01:46:33.400
Councelor Ashworth Colette?

01:46:33.440 --> 01:46:34.135
No.

01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:36.856
Was that figure in the report that

01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:39.880
estimate in the report?

01:46:40.719 --> 01:46:42.695
Miss Cor.

01:46:42.719 --> 01:46:45.719
the cost to not the estimate to to do um

01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:49.976
steam weeding moving forward in today's

01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:52.376
current market but the cost to do steam

01:46:52.400 --> 01:46:55.175
weeding in 2019 of $1 million is

01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:56.776
included in the report.

01:46:56.800 --> 01:46:59.256
Great. Thank you so much for information

01:46:59.280 --> 01:47:02.280
council sub.

01:47:03.280 --> 01:47:05.175
Just a few questions as well through you

01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:08.199
may um maybe through to Miss Crawl if an

01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:11.016
officer can confirm that  glyphosate

01:47:11.040 --> 01:47:13.496
is not currently used in playgrounds,

01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:15.016
childcare centers, preschools or

01:47:15.040 --> 01:47:17.416
maternal and child health centers.

01:47:17.440 --> 01:47:19.736
Miss crawl through you may yes that is

01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:21.896
correct. We do not use glyphosate in

01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:24.056
those locations and close to playgrounds

01:47:24.080 --> 01:47:25.016
either.

01:47:25.040 --> 01:47:26.856
Thank you. And another question if I

01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:29.336
can. Can officers outline is there

01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:31.736
training, accreditation, PPE,

01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:34.056
recordkeeping, um signage and diet

01:47:34.080 --> 01:47:37.016
notification procedures currently used?

01:47:37.040 --> 01:47:40.040
Miss Crop through you may. Yes. Yes. And

01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.175
yes. Um our officers are highly trained.

01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:46.199
They need to be trained um to the

01:47:46.639 --> 01:47:48.615
required standards. We are regular

01:47:48.639 --> 01:47:51.016
regularly audited as well in terms of

01:47:51.040 --> 01:47:54.040
how we manage our chemicals. Um and our

01:47:54.080 --> 01:47:55.976
officers are constantly updated in their

01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:57.416
training as well to make sure that they

01:47:57.440 --> 01:47:59.175
have the right equipment and they do

01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:01.496
undertake it in accordance with the

01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:04.520
manufacturers's instructions.

01:48:05.040 --> 01:48:07.095
Thank you. Another question if I can. 

01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:08.615
beyond the steam weeding which you've

01:48:08.639 --> 01:48:10.215
kind of just spoken to now and that

01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:13.175
figure of around $1.2 to $1.5 million,

01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:15.095
what alternatives would be used and how

01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:17.175
do they compare on cost, on

01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:19.816
effectiveness, on water use, labor

01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:22.840
demand and environmental impact?

01:48:24.320 --> 01:48:25.416
Miss Gro.

01:48:25.440 --> 01:48:27.976
Thank you, Mayor. Through you. Um, with

01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:30.615
regard to steam to steam weed

01:48:30.639 --> 01:48:33.639
management, um, the cost we've already

01:48:34.320 --> 01:48:36.456
touched on tonight.

01:48:36.480 --> 01:48:38.856
The steam weeding does does actually

01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:40.695
cause a lot of damage environmentally in

01:48:40.719 --> 01:48:43.336
that it actually sterilizes the soil and

01:48:43.360 --> 01:48:45.416
it's very hard for regeneration and

01:48:45.440 --> 01:48:47.016
plants to grow. So, it does actually

01:48:47.040 --> 01:48:49.576
damage the environment. Um there are a

01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:51.816
number of other chemicals that have been

01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:53.576
trial through and the report talks to

01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:54.776
this as well through the deacon

01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:57.175
university trial together with the MAB

01:48:57.199 --> 01:48:59.336
and a number of councils participated in

01:48:59.360 --> 01:49:01.576
a number of years ago. There were a

01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:03.175
range of different herbicides and

01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:05.016
chemicals used. All of them were found

01:49:05.040 --> 01:49:07.655
to not be very effective. All of them

01:49:07.679 --> 01:49:09.976
including steam weeding requires

01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:13.000
additional treatments um in order to to

01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.615
achieve an outcome achieve a result and

01:49:16.639 --> 01:49:18.215
that all leads to additional costs

01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:19.976
regardless of which um alternative

01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:23.000
you're using.

01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:25.336
Another question. Mayor, you kind of

01:49:25.360 --> 01:49:27.896
anticipated my question, Miss Crow. Um

01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:30.920
that Deacon University MAV study which

01:49:31.199 --> 01:49:32.695
was produced and commissioned at the

01:49:32.719 --> 01:49:35.016
time in support of alternative uses of

01:49:35.040 --> 01:49:38.040
glyphosate. Um from that report, was

01:49:38.719 --> 01:49:41.719
there clearly any alternative  use or

01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:45.175
other alternative that was safer,

01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:46.376
cheaper, and more effective than

01:49:46.400 --> 01:49:49.400
glyphosate in that report?

01:49:49.920 --> 01:49:51.896
Miss Croll,

01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:53.655
you may as well just just stay standing,

01:49:53.679 --> 01:49:55.336
I think.

01:49:55.360 --> 01:49:58.360
Thank you. Three you may. Um, no, there

01:49:58.400 --> 01:50:01.400
was the the report in this the study um

01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:03.336
concluded that there was nothing as

01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:05.256
effective as glyphosate or anything that

01:50:05.280 --> 01:50:07.095
came close to being as effective as

01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:08.456
glyphosate.

01:50:08.480 --> 01:50:10.056
Okay.

01:50:10.080 --> 01:50:11.976
Okay. Thank you, M. And sorry, I do have

01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:14.376
one more question, so you probably will

01:50:14.400 --> 01:50:17.175
need to stand. Um can officers or can

01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:19.736
you provide an estimate of maybe the the

01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:21.736
total long-term financial impact to

01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:24.615
council of reinstating um a glyphosate

01:50:24.639 --> 01:50:26.376
ban including you know operational

01:50:26.400 --> 01:50:28.056
staffing costs, additional contractor

01:50:28.080 --> 01:50:30.856
costs,  increased frequency of weed

01:50:30.880 --> 01:50:33.256
treatments, impact on future budgets,

01:50:33.280 --> 01:50:35.576
things like that. And  further on

01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:37.256
that, can you can you confirm whether

01:50:37.280 --> 01:50:39.576
those costs would likely amount to

01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:41.816
several millions of dollars cumulatively

01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:43.576
over multiple years when adjusted for

01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:45.976
inflation? Um and for as you've

01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:47.336
articulated the additional

01:50:47.360 --> 01:50:49.256
municipalitywide service delivery that

01:50:49.280 --> 01:50:51.416
we've now included including LXRP and

01:50:51.440 --> 01:50:54.376
the new reserves that are over 30

01:50:54.400 --> 01:50:57.400
hectares that we've just acquired.

01:50:57.760 --> 01:50:58.856
M crawl.

01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:01.816
Thank you through you may um as touched

01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:04.840
on earlier if the additional costs are

01:51:05.280 --> 01:51:08.280
around 1.2 to$ 1.4 $4 million perom to

01:51:08.639 --> 01:51:11.016
do steam treatment as opposed to

01:51:11.040 --> 01:51:13.576
glyphosate. Um those would be the costs

01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:15.095
that would accumulate over time with the

01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:17.016
relevant escalation as the years

01:51:17.040 --> 01:51:18.695
progress.

01:51:18.719 --> 01:51:21.256
Thank you. Look, I understand why this

01:51:21.280 --> 01:51:22.536
issue may concern members of the

01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:24.296
community. Anytime we discuss chemicals

01:51:24.320 --> 01:51:25.736
in the public open space, people are

01:51:25.760 --> 01:51:27.576
entitled to expect caution,

01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:29.896
transparency, and proper safeguards. But

01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:31.336
the question before us is not whether

01:51:31.360 --> 01:51:33.256
council should use glyphosate carelessly

01:51:33.280 --> 01:51:34.936
because we do not. The question is

01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:36.615
whether we should impose a blanket ban

01:51:36.639 --> 01:51:38.296
despite the evidence, the operational

01:51:38.320 --> 01:51:39.976
advice, the financial cost, and the

01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:41.976
environmental consequences of not using

01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.856
it. On the evidence before us, I cannot

01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:46.456
support a ban. Kingston has been here

01:51:46.480 --> 01:51:48.936
before. In 20189, council resolved to

01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:51.336
eliminate glyphosate. In 2021, officers

01:51:51.360 --> 01:51:53.655
reported that the alternatives such as

01:51:53.679 --> 01:51:56.296
 steam and all the others um actually

01:51:56.320 --> 01:51:58.135
resulted in a significant cost with

01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:00.615
limited effect. The report stated and it

01:52:00.639 --> 01:52:02.056
says here and we've heard it of how many

01:52:02.080 --> 01:52:04.296
millions it cost for us back in 2020 not

01:52:04.320 --> 01:52:06.856
now.  that report stated that the move

01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:09.880
away from glyphosate  would cost 

01:52:10.400 --> 01:52:12.695
multiple millions now over a number of

01:52:12.719 --> 01:52:15.719
years. At the time as well our open

01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:18.135
space amenities were declining and the

01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:20.296
largest number of volume of complaints

01:52:20.320 --> 01:52:23.320
that we received over this time was to

01:52:23.599 --> 01:52:25.016
do with the weed management throughout

01:52:25.040 --> 01:52:26.695
all of our reserves and parks and roads

01:52:26.719 --> 01:52:29.719
and footpaths. In March of 2021 alone,

01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:32.776
we received $125 reports of complaints

01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:35.575
on our parks. In today's inflationary

01:52:35.599 --> 01:52:37.976
environment, that $1 million cost would

01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.135
be materially higher. And the largest,

01:52:40.159 --> 01:52:41.976
as I said, the largest volume was due to

01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:43.575
poor weed management of complaints

01:52:43.599 --> 01:52:45.575
received. This is not a small budget

01:52:45.599 --> 01:52:47.416
impact. That is money that otherwise

01:52:47.440 --> 01:52:49.256
could go towards parks and playgrounds,

01:52:49.280 --> 01:52:51.896
sports grounds.  the financial

01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:54.920
implications go very far. The 2021

01:52:55.440 --> 01:52:58.135
report also indicated that Patterson

01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:00.296
Lakes waterways maintenance cost

01:53:00.320 --> 01:53:03.095
increased at the time from $91,000 in

01:53:03.119 --> 01:53:06.119
201819 to $350,000

01:53:06.400 --> 01:53:09.400
in 2020 2020 2021 nearly four times as

01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:12.215
much and we're expected to rise again

01:53:12.239 --> 01:53:14.056
but we had put a halt onto that due to

01:53:14.080 --> 01:53:16.056
manual beating.

01:53:16.080 --> 01:53:17.736
There is also a contract risk. If

01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:19.655
council changes course mid-stream as we

01:53:19.679 --> 01:53:21.256
are now, we may expose ourselves to

01:53:21.280 --> 01:53:23.016
contract variations, increased service

01:53:23.040 --> 01:53:25.095
costs or penalties. And this could also

01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:26.776
add major recurring costs without a

01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:29.496
funded plan. The environmental argument

01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:30.936
also does not support the blanket plan.

01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:32.456
As we've heard from what Miss Krell has

01:53:32.480 --> 01:53:34.456
said, gly glyphosate was considered the

01:53:34.480 --> 01:53:36.296
most effective weed management from the

01:53:36.320 --> 01:53:37.896
study that we had concluded that

01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:40.920
multiple councils had  conducted.

01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:44.536
The trial also  Borandara sorry for

01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:46.615
example also had a trial in which they

01:53:46.639 --> 01:53:49.016
had reported that they saw weed cover

01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:52.040
decrease from 30% to 17.21%

01:53:52.480 --> 01:53:54.695
 without using the glycosate that

01:53:54.719 --> 01:53:57.719
tripled. That trial also identifies

01:53:58.320 --> 01:54:00.536
identified increased labor demands of

01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:03.560
over 260 hours more on needing to to

01:54:04.639 --> 01:54:06.135
remove all of the wheat, which was

01:54:06.159 --> 01:54:09.159
costing council over $19,000 in labor

01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:11.896
costs, which extrapolated to about

01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:14.920
$12,000 per. That's not included in the

01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:16.536
additional cost of a million. And

01:54:16.560 --> 01:54:18.456
Borandar is not alone in changing this.

01:54:18.480 --> 01:54:19.655
Every council that had initially

01:54:19.679 --> 01:54:21.575
initiated the ban has since reversed

01:54:21.599 --> 01:54:24.135
that ban or they nearly all have

01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:27.159
actually. Um, and my time is up.

01:54:28.320 --> 01:54:30.376
Thank you, council sub. Are there any

01:54:30.400 --> 01:54:33.400
other councils on this matter?

01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:36.440
A question. Councelor O'Donnell.

01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:41.256
And through you, mayor. Um, whilst it's

01:54:41.280 --> 01:54:42.695
been pointed out this evening that the

01:54:42.719 --> 01:54:45.336
city of Kingston does not use glyphosate

01:54:45.360 --> 01:54:48.360
in playgrounds, kindergartens, child

01:54:48.400 --> 01:54:51.016
care centers, and the rest of the list

01:54:51.040 --> 01:54:52.615
that

01:54:52.639 --> 01:54:55.175
is included there. What level of weed

01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:58.199
management do we use in these spaces?

01:54:58.480 --> 01:54:59.896
Miss Croll.

01:54:59.920 --> 01:55:01.416
Thank you. Through you, mayor. We do

01:55:01.440 --> 01:55:04.440
hand weeding.

01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:08.536
Are there any other counselors that wish

01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:10.856
to speak to this motion?

01:55:10.880 --> 01:55:13.880
Councelor Hill.

01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:18.840
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um look this is

01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:21.095
fundamentally an operational matter and

01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:23.336
I believe it should continue to be

01:55:23.360 --> 01:55:26.056
guided by expert officer advice,

01:55:26.080 --> 01:55:28.376
evidence, safety requirements, service

01:55:28.400 --> 01:55:30.936
standards and cost effectiveness, not by

01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:33.960
setting arbitrary  deadlines. The

01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:36.056
report makes it clear that alternative

01:55:36.080 --> 01:55:37.416
methods have already been tried

01:55:37.440 --> 01:55:39.896
extensively and have consistently proven

01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:41.816
to be less effective, more labor

01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:44.615
intensive, significantly more expensive

01:55:44.639 --> 01:55:47.416
and as we heard approximately 1.2 2 to

01:55:47.440 --> 01:55:50.056
$1.4 million additional in today's

01:55:50.080 --> 01:55:51.575
money.

01:55:51.599 --> 01:55:53.655
If council were to impose a blanket

01:55:53.679 --> 01:55:55.496
phase out date without a proven

01:55:55.520 --> 01:55:57.095
replacement, we would essentially be

01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:59.736
directing our officers to use tools that

01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:01.416
the evidence already shows do not

01:56:01.440 --> 01:56:03.976
deliver the same outcomes. The reality

01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:05.655
is that we management is not a

01:56:05.679 --> 01:56:07.496
one-sizefits-all.

01:56:07.520 --> 01:56:09.816
 it's different in different locations

01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:11.816
and we types require different

01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:14.296
approaches and officers need flexibility

01:56:14.320 --> 01:56:17.256
to use the most appropriate method for

01:56:17.280 --> 01:56:20.280
for each of these circumstances.

01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:22.695
The recommendation already supports

01:56:22.719 --> 01:56:25.496
reduced chemical use where practical and

01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:28.296
continue to explore alternatives. That

01:56:28.320 --> 01:56:30.376
work is already happening operationally

01:56:30.400 --> 01:56:32.936
without the need for a rigid band.

01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:35.336
The report also highlights the likely

01:56:35.360 --> 01:56:37.655
consequence of removing gly glyphosate

01:56:37.679 --> 01:56:40.679
entirely, including  reduced weed

01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:42.695
control outcomes, increased maintenance

01:56:42.719 --> 01:56:45.496
costs, high  resource use, and

01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:47.976
potential impacts on public amenity and

01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:50.856
safety. And as councelor Sab mentioned,

01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:53.880
we know all too well the  the levels

01:56:54.320 --> 01:56:56.936
of complaint that we can expect if we do

01:56:56.960 --> 01:56:59.575
phase out the use of of glyphosate.

01:56:59.599 --> 01:57:01.175
Council's role should be setting

01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:03.016
strategic direction and ensuring

01:57:03.040 --> 01:57:05.016
accountability, not overriding

01:57:05.040 --> 01:57:06.695
operational expertise and strong

01:57:06.719 --> 01:57:08.215
evidence that's documented in the

01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:09.736
report.

01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:11.256
Ultimately, the recommendation the

01:57:11.280 --> 01:57:12.776
officer report takes a balanced

01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:15.575
position, minimizes chemical use where

01:57:15.599 --> 01:57:17.496
possible, continues testing

01:57:17.520 --> 01:57:19.896
alternatives, but still allows

01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:22.135
appropriate regulated glyphosate use

01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:23.976
where it remains the safest, most

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:26.215
effective, most practical option

01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:29.239
available for our community. Thanks.

01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:32.776
Thank you, councelor Hill. Are there any

01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:35.800
other councilors on this motion?

01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:40.215
Before I ask councelor Reanites to

01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:43.095
close, I

01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:44.695
before

01:57:44.719 --> 01:57:47.719
I will just add um my support to this

01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:50.695
motion and again I've been pretty

01:57:50.719 --> 01:57:53.719
consistent in my support of council not

01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:57.000
using glyphosate. Um, I think I have a

01:57:58.320 --> 01:58:00.856
bit of a concern and I've raised this in

01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:02.135
previous debates when we've had this

01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:04.056
same discussion. I have a bit of a

01:58:04.080 --> 01:58:07.080
concern when we only focus on some of

01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:09.736
the data and that can go both ways. But

01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:11.575
what concerns me is when we refer to

01:58:11.599 --> 01:58:13.095
things like the volume of complaints

01:58:13.119 --> 01:58:15.575
that were received um back in the period

01:58:15.599 --> 01:58:17.816
where we did stop the use of glyphosate

01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:19.816
and the period at which that was

01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:22.456
measured was during CO where people were

01:58:22.480 --> 01:58:24.615
out using all of their facilities more

01:58:24.639 --> 01:58:27.639
and more and were in a 5 km radius and

01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:31.560
quite frankly were  able to make those

01:58:32.480 --> 01:58:33.736
complaints more often because they were

01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:35.896
sitting at home. And that was something

01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:37.896
that we did witness across a number of

01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.695
our um complaint channels, not just

01:58:40.719 --> 01:58:43.416
around weeding. So that was a period

01:58:43.440 --> 01:58:45.496
that we did look at. I know we did look

01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:47.016
at some of those periods outside of that

01:58:47.040 --> 01:58:49.336
lockdown period. But again, we we pick

01:58:49.360 --> 01:58:51.095
and choose the information we want to

01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:53.736
share and I just want to flag that. Um

01:58:53.760 --> 01:58:55.496
and as I said, that can go both ways and

01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:56.856
that can go both ways in a lot of the

01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.256
studies that are done on glyphosate and

01:58:59.280 --> 01:59:01.095
people can pick and choose the ones they

01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:03.256
want to listen to. Um, I've done

01:59:03.280 --> 01:59:04.615
certainly a lot of research in this

01:59:04.639 --> 01:59:06.856
matter and I know people could do a lot

01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:08.376
of research and come to a very different

01:59:08.400 --> 01:59:10.695
conclusion. I am comfortable supporting

01:59:10.719 --> 01:59:12.776
a position that we don't use glyphosate

01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:14.695
as a council. I supported that in the

01:59:14.719 --> 01:59:17.175
past. We'll continue to support that and

01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:18.615
particularly we'll continue to support

01:59:18.639 --> 01:59:21.336
that whereas a council we've refused to

01:59:21.360 --> 01:59:24.360
inform people when we spray glyphosate

01:59:24.400 --> 01:59:26.615
because we rely on a material safety

01:59:26.639 --> 01:59:29.639
data sheet that says 1 hour no problem.

01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:32.135
And that's where I have an issue with

01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:33.896
the information we choose to share. And

01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:35.896
the fact that we won't share that

01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:37.256
information with the community and at

01:59:37.280 --> 01:59:38.936
least let them make their own informed

01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:40.856
choice whether they want to walk through

01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:42.615
an area we've sprayed with glyphosate,

01:59:42.639 --> 01:59:43.655
whether they want to take their kids

01:59:43.679 --> 01:59:44.856
through an area we've sprayed with

01:59:44.880 --> 01:59:46.856
glyphosate or their dogs through an area

01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:49.336
that we've sprayed with glyphosate. So I

01:59:49.360 --> 01:59:52.135
am fully supportive of us no longer

01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:53.976
using glyphosate and think that that

01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:55.655
would be a benefit to our Kingston

01:59:55.679 --> 01:59:57.736
community. And of course we can assess

01:59:57.760 --> 01:59:59.095
that as we go and look at the

01:59:59.119 --> 02:00:00.936
alternatives whether that be steam or

02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:02.695
other alternatives.

02:00:02.719 --> 02:00:04.695
A lot's happened in a number of years

02:00:04.719 --> 02:00:06.215
where there may be other alternatives on

02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:08.536
the market that we can look for.

02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:11.560
Councelor Evanas do you wish to close?

02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:15.175
Thank you madame mayor. There are many

02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:17.816
references and legal cases that  raise

02:00:17.840 --> 02:00:19.896
concerns about the use of glyphosate and

02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:21.816
the question councilors need to address

02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:24.135
is not simply health for our communities

02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:26.695
or pretty neighborhoods. Rather, it is a

02:00:26.719 --> 02:00:28.856
choice between continuing to expose

02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:30.695
residents, pets, and the surrounding

02:00:30.719 --> 02:00:33.016
environment to ongoing glyphosate

02:00:33.040 --> 02:00:36.040
spraying or adopting safer alternative

02:00:36.320 --> 02:00:38.856
methods. And this brings me to a number

02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:41.496
of points that um my fellow fellow

02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:44.135
counselors have brought up here and also

02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:47.159
our officer um Sam Cruel. So the first

02:00:47.679 --> 02:00:50.135
one is councelor How's comment about you

02:00:50.159 --> 02:00:53.159
know ducks and cats not dying. Well,

02:00:54.400 --> 02:00:57.400
they don't die straight away. They It's

02:00:57.920 --> 02:01:00.920
the continued exposure that they get

02:01:01.119 --> 02:01:03.736
that makes them sick and you watch them

02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:06.760
slowly die. Um, as with people,

02:01:07.040 --> 02:01:09.736
exposure, you know, accumulative

02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:12.615
exposure to any chemical is what will

02:01:12.639 --> 02:01:15.639
make them sick. So, um, and it's that

02:01:16.719 --> 02:01:19.256
accumulative exposure that is the safety

02:01:19.280 --> 02:01:22.280
concern. The second thing is um you know

02:01:22.480 --> 02:01:25.480
the comment about our officers wearing

02:01:26.320 --> 02:01:28.936
the appropriate PPE and being trained.

02:01:28.960 --> 02:01:30.936
Well, if it's so safe, why do they need

02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:33.960
PPE? Right? If it's safe, they shouldn't

02:01:34.080 --> 02:01:37.080
need to wear that. Um the third point is

02:01:38.320 --> 02:01:41.320
 about the cost  of alternatives and

02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:45.960
only steam that you keep coming back to

02:01:46.080 --> 02:01:48.936
steam costing a million dollars. Well,

02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:51.416
there are other alternatives. I've put

02:01:51.440 --> 02:01:53.896
forward even just one that hasn't been

02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:56.920
looked into. And you know, we can't just

02:01:57.119 --> 02:02:00.119
rely on the results of other council's

02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:03.575
results. We need to look at our own and

02:02:03.599 --> 02:02:06.599
look further because I believe there are

02:02:06.639 --> 02:02:09.175
alternative  there are alternatives

02:02:09.199 --> 02:02:12.056
that don't cost a million dollars a

02:02:12.080 --> 02:02:14.615
year. And the other thing is that you

02:02:14.639 --> 02:02:16.776
know we you look at our grants and how

02:02:16.800 --> 02:02:19.800
much we spend on our grants compared to

02:02:20.560 --> 02:02:22.376
um the safety of

02:02:22.400 --> 02:02:24.536
council reanites your time has elapsed.

02:02:24.560 --> 02:02:25.655
Okay. Thank you.

02:02:25.679 --> 02:02:28.215
Thank you.

02:02:28.239 --> 02:02:30.776
I'll now put the motion to the vote. All

02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:33.256
those in favor

02:02:33.280 --> 02:02:35.416
that is councelor O'Donnell, councelor

02:02:35.440 --> 02:02:37.336
White, councelor Agirtan, councelor

02:02:37.360 --> 02:02:40.360
Revanites and myself. All those against

02:02:41.599 --> 02:02:43.416
that is councelor how councelor

02:02:43.440 --> 02:02:45.496
athanosopouloolis councelor sab

02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:48.520
counselor hill and abstaining

02:02:49.119 --> 02:02:51.736
councelor ashworth colette

02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:53.496
and that is carried on the casting vote

02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:56.520
of the chair

02:02:56.719 --> 02:02:59.719
now move to item 10.4 for the

02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:03.800
development of the Kingston Bowls

02:03:04.560 --> 02:03:07.560
strategy. Councelor S.

02:03:08.480 --> 02:03:09.896
Thank you. May I'd like to move the

02:03:09.920 --> 02:03:11.896
officer recommendation, please.

02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:14.056
Thank you. And a second council Ashworth

02:03:14.080 --> 02:03:17.080
Colette.

02:03:18.960 --> 02:03:20.615
Council S.

02:03:20.639 --> 02:03:23.336
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um this has 

02:03:23.360 --> 02:03:25.336
come to us a few times and we've had a

02:03:25.360 --> 02:03:27.336
pretty extensive discussions on the

02:03:27.360 --> 02:03:30.360
development development of a  bowls

02:03:30.400 --> 02:03:33.400
strategy. Um in particular I know that

02:03:33.840 --> 02:03:36.215
we've got this coming back in 2028 in

02:03:36.239 --> 02:03:37.976
anticipation as well. I know that there

02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:39.496
is a lot of work that's gone on behind

02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:41.016
the scenes. We've got a pavilion

02:03:41.040 --> 02:03:43.736
strategy. We've done a asset review on

02:03:43.760 --> 02:03:45.496
all of our facilities assets, but it

02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:48.135
actually didn't include um our bowls

02:03:48.159 --> 02:03:51.159
pavilions and um our tennis pavilions

02:03:51.920 --> 02:03:54.296
throughout the whole municipality. So,

02:03:54.320 --> 02:03:55.976
 this is in anticipation of doing that

02:03:56.000 --> 02:03:59.000
work. We've got six publicly owned  or

02:03:59.599 --> 02:04:01.575
councilowned golf clubs that  we've

02:04:01.599 --> 02:04:04.056
got tenants in that support and um are

02:04:04.080 --> 02:04:06.856
constantly looking after those sites. 

02:04:06.880 --> 02:04:08.615
there's also two privately owned ones

02:04:08.639 --> 02:04:10.615
too. Um, and I think if we have a

02:04:10.639 --> 02:04:13.575
broad-looking strategy that looks at how

02:04:13.599 --> 02:04:16.599
and where and how we prioritize, what

02:04:16.639 --> 02:04:18.135
work needs to be done, looks at the

02:04:18.159 --> 02:04:20.776
forward , funding plan, I think that

02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:23.256
would support something like this. I

02:04:23.280 --> 02:04:24.695
think it's really important that we do

02:04:24.719 --> 02:04:26.296
endorse and support this motion this

02:04:26.320 --> 02:04:27.655
evening. I also just wanted to in

02:04:27.679 --> 02:04:30.679
particular thank councelor Arv Renitus

02:04:30.880 --> 02:04:33.256
um because we've had um bit of

02:04:33.280 --> 02:04:34.695
discussions and I know her particular

02:04:34.719 --> 02:04:36.856
view on um some of these other things

02:04:36.880 --> 02:04:38.936
and I just wanted to thank her because

02:04:38.960 --> 02:04:41.175
um um I guess I've been able to move the

02:04:41.199 --> 02:04:42.615
officer recommendation in this instance.

02:04:42.639 --> 02:04:43.736
I don't know if I had done that quickly

02:04:43.760 --> 02:04:45.575
or not. I didn't look at the screen but

02:04:45.599 --> 02:04:47.816
um I just know that she is generally

02:04:47.840 --> 02:04:49.736
very supportive of our bowl strategies.

02:04:49.760 --> 02:04:51.575
Um and I know Mayor you are as well with

02:04:51.599 --> 02:04:53.175
the different bowls clubs down in 

02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:56.199
your ward. Um thank you

02:04:57.520 --> 02:04:58.936
if I do it with my microphone on. Thank

02:04:58.960 --> 02:05:01.960
you, Council Subscri.

02:05:07.840 --> 02:05:10.456
Thank you, Madame Mayor. I'd like to um

02:05:10.480 --> 02:05:13.095
foreshadow an alternative motion if this

02:05:13.119 --> 02:05:15.095
is not carried.

02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:18.119
Thank you. I'll note that.

02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:22.135
Are there any other counselors on this

02:05:22.159 --> 02:05:25.159
motion?

02:05:28.719 --> 02:05:30.536
In which case, councelor Sab, do you

02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:33.560
wish to close? Reser. Yes,

02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:37.960
I will put that to the vote.

02:05:38.080 --> 02:05:41.080
All those in favor

02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:44.695
that is councelor How, Councelor

02:05:44.719 --> 02:05:47.256
Ethanosopoulos, councelor Sab, Councelor

02:05:47.280 --> 02:05:50.280
Ashworth, Colette, and councelor Hill.

02:05:51.119 --> 02:05:54.119
All those against

02:05:54.960 --> 02:05:56.776
that is councelor white, councelor

02:05:56.800 --> 02:05:59.655
Agirtan, councelor Evanus

02:05:59.679 --> 02:06:01.816
and abstaining that is councelor

02:06:01.840 --> 02:06:04.376
O'Donnell and myself

02:06:04.400 --> 02:06:05.896
and that is then lost on the casting

02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:08.920
vote of the chair.

02:06:14.639 --> 02:06:16.936
Councelor Evanus, your foreshadowed

02:06:16.960 --> 02:06:19.960
alternative motion.

02:06:22.480 --> 02:06:24.376
It's the one that was recorded

02:06:24.400 --> 02:06:25.416
previously.

02:06:25.440 --> 02:06:26.056
Yeah,

02:06:26.080 --> 02:06:29.080
I think that.

02:06:30.159 --> 02:06:32.536
Yes, as it appears.

02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:34.776
Thank you.

02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:36.936
Do I have a seconder for that motion?

02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:39.960
Council Agirtan.

02:06:40.480 --> 02:06:41.896
Councelor Reinitus, do you wish to speak

02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:44.215
to this motion?

02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:46.615
Thank you, Madame Mayor.  what this

02:06:46.639 --> 02:06:49.639
motion is asking for is to go ahead with

02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:52.615
 competition of the bowl strategy and

02:06:52.639 --> 02:06:55.016
to review the need for the all weather

02:06:55.040 --> 02:06:57.896
dome should funding become available or

02:06:57.920 --> 02:07:00.456
at the completion of the strategy. We

02:07:00.480 --> 02:07:01.896
know that there might be government

02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:03.816
funding becoming available for the

02:07:03.840 --> 02:07:06.215
project at which point we can review

02:07:06.239 --> 02:07:08.536
council's ability to support and deliver

02:07:08.560 --> 02:07:11.175
this project at that time. Whilst we

02:07:11.199 --> 02:07:12.936
welcome funding, we don't want to get

02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:15.175
ahead of ourselves.

02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:17.496
Thank you, councelor Reanus. Council

02:07:17.520 --> 02:07:18.776
Agirtan, do you wish to speak to the

02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:21.416
motion reserve? Thank you, councelor

02:07:21.440 --> 02:07:23.655
Sab.

02:07:23.679 --> 02:07:25.016
Yeah, this is actually extremely

02:07:25.040 --> 02:07:26.536
disappointing. I think we've had a

02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:28.536
different level of practice usually. It

02:07:28.560 --> 02:07:30.776
kind of we kind of flip-flop with um

02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:32.856
casting votes where I know you may

02:07:32.880 --> 02:07:34.135
you've said before that on the casting

02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:35.896
vote of the mayor um if there is a

02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:37.496
majority of councils for you would vote

02:07:37.520 --> 02:07:38.856
for this item. Council S, if you'd like

02:07:38.880 --> 02:07:40.215
to address the motion, you're more than

02:07:40.239 --> 02:07:41.016
welcome to.

02:07:41.040 --> 02:07:42.376
I am. I'm getting there. Yeah. Thank

02:07:42.400 --> 02:07:42.695
you.

02:07:42.719 --> 02:07:43.016
Yeah.

02:07:43.040 --> 02:07:45.416
Um, and I think  it is really

02:07:45.440 --> 02:07:47.016
disappointing. I did kind of articulate

02:07:47.040 --> 02:07:48.296
to councilors that there was an

02:07:48.320 --> 02:07:50.215
opportunity for us to actually save rate

02:07:50.239 --> 02:07:50.695
payers.

02:07:50.719 --> 02:07:53.719
Council Donnelly point.

02:07:53.760 --> 02:07:55.256
Contrary to the relevant standards of

02:07:55.280 --> 02:07:56.615
conduct requiring the treatment of all

02:07:56.639 --> 02:07:57.896
counselors and members of the public

02:07:57.920 --> 02:07:59.655
with dignity, fairness, objectivity, and

02:07:59.679 --> 02:08:02.055
courtesy and respect towards the mayor

02:08:02.079 --> 02:08:05.079
in particular at this point.

02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:08.615
Thank you. Um I will uphold the point of

02:08:08.639 --> 02:08:10.215
order but given that councelor Sab's

02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:13.239
moved on um I I will ask councelor Sab

02:08:13.360 --> 02:08:14.615
just to direct his comments to the

02:08:14.639 --> 02:08:16.296
motion.

02:08:16.320 --> 02:08:19.256
Y thank you

02:08:19.280 --> 02:08:20.536
and I think it's really disappointing

02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:21.896
because I did share with councilors

02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:23.416
across this table before this meeting

02:08:23.440 --> 02:08:24.856
and prior back in February when I

02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:26.456
launched this  put this motion up

02:08:26.480 --> 02:08:28.615
initially there was an opportunity for

02:08:28.639 --> 02:08:30.135
us to get federal level governance

02:08:30.159 --> 02:08:31.976
support and state government support if

02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:33.575
there was an opportunity for us to

02:08:33.599 --> 02:08:35.256
consider the project plan in a in a

02:08:35.280 --> 02:08:37.896
timely way.  I know the bowls club as

02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:39.575
I've said before when I first moved this

02:08:39.599 --> 02:08:41.336
motion normally we fund and support

02:08:41.360 --> 02:08:44.360
bowls clubs in  the regg greening of

02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:47.175
their bowls.  Morabin for example

02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:49.416
actually paid totally and entirely for

02:08:49.440 --> 02:08:51.256
their own green. Normally we we fund

02:08:51.280 --> 02:08:52.936
that or support the funding of and they

02:08:52.960 --> 02:08:55.095
contribute. Um this is another example

02:08:55.119 --> 02:08:56.536
of where the Maraban bowls club has

02:08:56.560 --> 02:08:58.856
actually been really unfortunate in not

02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:00.376
getting full support from council and

02:09:00.400 --> 02:09:02.376
trying to actually put forward and 

02:09:02.400 --> 02:09:03.575
get a project that would have been

02:09:03.599 --> 02:09:05.655
really good for them off the ground. I

02:09:05.679 --> 02:09:07.655
also just wanted to say that um like I

02:09:07.679 --> 02:09:09.496
said there if we had proceeded with the

02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:10.615
original draft motion, there would have

02:09:10.639 --> 02:09:12.055
been a really good opportunity for us to

02:09:12.079 --> 02:09:14.135
get alternative funding from both the

02:09:14.159 --> 02:09:15.896
federal government um having spoken to

02:09:15.920 --> 02:09:17.816
the federal member and from the local

02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:19.496
state member too who was initially

02:09:19.520 --> 02:09:21.896
interested. Um now that we're delaying

02:09:21.920 --> 02:09:23.175
this, I don't think that opportunity

02:09:23.199 --> 02:09:25.095
will exist, which is really unfortunate.

02:09:25.119 --> 02:09:26.695
That would have saved us um over a

02:09:26.719 --> 02:09:28.776
million dollars, you know, could have

02:09:28.800 --> 02:09:29.976
potentially saved us over a million

02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:31.496
dollars of rateayers funds if we had

02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:33.416
done that. Um there is really no basis

02:09:33.440 --> 02:09:36.215
for not doing it. The original draft

02:09:36.239 --> 02:09:38.296
motion was actually on a feasibility for

02:09:38.320 --> 02:09:40.055
the whole of the site and wasn't locking

02:09:40.079 --> 02:09:43.016
council in to any funding whatsoever.

02:09:43.040 --> 02:09:45.575
Um, however, it is, like I said, really

02:09:45.599 --> 02:09:46.856
unfortunate that we're not doing it. I

02:09:46.880 --> 02:09:48.376
still do think we need to develop a bold

02:09:48.400 --> 02:09:49.976
strategy. So, I probably will support

02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:53.000
that. Um, yeah, it is a bit it is a bit

02:09:53.840 --> 02:09:55.976
disappointing. Thank you.

02:09:56.000 --> 02:09:57.816
Thank you, council sub. Are there any

02:09:57.840 --> 02:10:00.840
other counselors on this motion?

02:10:02.079 --> 02:10:04.776
You may question councelor O'Donnell. As

02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:06.536
part of developing the strategy, would

02:10:06.560 --> 02:10:09.496
that also not therefore incorporate um

02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:12.520
levels of advocacy to state federal

02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:14.615
government

02:10:14.639 --> 02:10:17.639
inside of that strategy?

02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:21.256
Miss Croll.

02:10:21.280 --> 02:10:23.256
Um thank you through you, Mayor. Yes,

02:10:23.280 --> 02:10:25.095
that would be considered. The funding

02:10:25.119 --> 02:10:27.095
opportunities would be considered not so

02:10:27.119 --> 02:10:28.776
much through the strategy but probably

02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:31.336
more through the feasibility assessment.

02:10:31.360 --> 02:10:33.575
The strategy would look at things like

02:10:33.599 --> 02:10:36.599
demographics, future need, growth, those

02:10:36.800 --> 02:10:39.736
sort of things.

02:10:39.760 --> 02:10:42.215
Thank you. Are there any other council

02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:44.695
agit?

02:10:44.719 --> 02:10:47.719
Um, in terms of timing and whilst I

02:10:48.239 --> 02:10:51.239
acknowledge councelor Saab's sentiments,

02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:54.520
um, I think having that strategy

02:10:55.440 --> 02:10:57.016
approached holistically and

02:10:57.040 --> 02:11:00.040
comprehensively towards the end of 2028

02:11:00.320 --> 02:11:03.175
allows us to engage with , in the

02:11:03.199 --> 02:11:05.816
leadup to a federal election and secure

02:11:05.840 --> 02:11:07.336
funding because this is where the

02:11:07.360 --> 02:11:10.360
promises are made. Um so I think I'll be

02:11:11.679 --> 02:11:13.496
supportive of that because it's it's a

02:11:13.520 --> 02:11:15.976
good idea to get it all done properly 

02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:18.536
and consider the whole municipality not

02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:21.560
separate um bowling clubs. Thank you.

02:11:21.840 --> 02:11:24.296
Thank you councelor Agirtan. Are there

02:11:24.320 --> 02:11:27.320
any other councils on this matter?

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Council S question.

02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:32.856
Yes. Thank you just through you chair.

02:11:32.880 --> 02:11:35.880
Um have we adopted a basketball strategy

02:11:37.760 --> 02:11:40.695
miss? M

02:11:40.719 --> 02:11:42.615
 through you may know council has not

02:11:42.639 --> 02:11:45.175
adopted an indoor court strategy yet.

02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:48.199
Okay. Just another follow-up question.

02:11:48.239 --> 02:11:51.239
Did we  vote in recent months to fund

02:11:53.920 --> 02:11:55.416
a

02:11:55.440 --> 02:11:58.440
or revitalize a basketball stadium ahead

02:11:58.480 --> 02:12:00.215
of it being actually part of a budget

02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:02.856
process?

02:12:02.880 --> 02:12:05.880
Miss Crawl.

02:12:06.800 --> 02:12:08.695
Through you, Mayor. Yes, council

02:12:08.719 --> 02:12:11.719
resolved to improve the facilities at

02:12:12.480 --> 02:12:15.480
Bond Beach Basketball Stadium to make

02:12:15.599 --> 02:12:18.599
the two existing courts um compliant to

02:12:18.719 --> 02:12:21.719
senior standards.

02:12:21.920 --> 02:12:24.296
Okay, thank you.

02:12:24.320 --> 02:12:27.320
Councelor O'Donnell, a question.

02:12:27.360 --> 02:12:29.016
And through you, mayor, am I correct in

02:12:29.040 --> 02:12:30.776
saying that basketball is the most

02:12:30.800 --> 02:12:33.256
played sport amongst males and females,

02:12:33.280 --> 02:12:36.280
not only in the city of Kingston, but

02:12:36.639 --> 02:12:38.296
right across I

02:12:38.320 --> 02:12:39.655
point of order. Thank you,

02:12:39.679 --> 02:12:41.575
Council. How a point of order.

02:12:41.599 --> 02:12:42.856
Absolutely relevant. Councelor S just

02:12:42.880 --> 02:12:43.416
put it in.

02:12:43.440 --> 02:12:46.440
Just pause for a moment.

02:12:46.639 --> 02:12:48.135
I'm not upholding the point of order on

02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:49.496
relevance because the question was just

02:12:49.520 --> 02:12:51.655
asked about basketball

02:12:51.679 --> 02:12:53.256
on your question. I'm going to allow

02:12:53.280 --> 02:12:55.016
that question, but I'm going to not

02:12:55.040 --> 02:12:56.536
allow any other questions where we're

02:12:56.560 --> 02:12:58.615
using officers to enter debate rather

02:12:58.639 --> 02:13:00.936
than actually asking questions. So, I'll

02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:03.095
allow one final question in response to

02:13:03.119 --> 02:13:05.896
that. That Miss Crawl,

02:13:05.920 --> 02:13:06.856
that's the question.

02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:07.575
Yep. Thank you,

02:13:07.599 --> 02:13:09.175
Miss Crawl.

02:13:09.199 --> 02:13:10.856
Thank you. And through you, Mayor, that

02:13:10.880 --> 02:13:13.880
is my understanding that basketball is

02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:16.215
um a fast growing fastest growing sport

02:13:16.239 --> 02:13:18.536
and also very played by a lot of people

02:13:18.560 --> 02:13:20.215
within Kingston.

02:13:20.239 --> 02:13:22.055
Thank you.

02:13:22.079 --> 02:13:23.496
Council that

02:13:23.520 --> 02:13:26.520
procedial order that a item be put

02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:29.655
was going to be put anyway.

02:13:29.679 --> 02:13:31.736
Do I have a second that the motion now

02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:34.760
be put? Councelor Agirtan.

02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:43.000
Just

02:14:05.199 --> 02:14:06.776
All those in favor that the motion now

02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:09.800
be put

02:14:11.599 --> 02:14:13.816
that is councelor how carried

02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:16.840
unanimously. Thank you.

02:14:17.920 --> 02:14:20.920
I'll now move to the motion.

02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:39.239
All those in favor

02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:44.199
that is carried unanimously.

02:14:48.159 --> 02:14:50.615
Item 10.5, the response to resolution

02:14:50.639 --> 02:14:52.456
and notice of motion on the mortial

02:14:52.480 --> 02:14:54.776
pedestrian and cycling connectivity.

02:14:54.800 --> 02:14:55.976
Councilor O'Donnell, the officer

02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:56.695
recommendation.

02:14:56.719 --> 02:14:57.496
Yes.

02:14:57.520 --> 02:15:00.520
Thank you. A second. Council SA.

02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:04.920
Councelor O'Donnell.

02:15:06.320 --> 02:15:09.320
Reserve. Council Sab.

02:15:10.320 --> 02:15:13.095
just wanted to acknowledge um former

02:15:13.119 --> 02:15:15.496
counselor law's advocacy in this space

02:15:15.520 --> 02:15:18.520
and just really  thank her for  what

02:15:18.719 --> 02:15:21.175
will be a lasting legacy um and

02:15:21.199 --> 02:15:22.376
something she could be proud of for the

02:15:22.400 --> 02:15:24.135
work that she kind of advocated for and

02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:26.376
these outcomes. Um I know it was one of

02:15:26.400 --> 02:15:28.936
her  preeminent pieces of work and I

02:15:28.960 --> 02:15:31.095
know if she was still here she'd be

02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:33.095
speaking pretty fondly about where this

02:15:33.119 --> 02:15:35.095
has gotten to. Um so just wanted to

02:15:35.119 --> 02:15:37.416
acknowledge that and thank her.

02:15:37.440 --> 02:15:39.095
Thank you council s. Are there any other

02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:42.119
councils on this matter?

02:15:42.960 --> 02:15:44.536
There being none, I will put that to the

02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:47.560
vote. All those in favor

02:15:47.760 --> 02:15:50.695
that is carried unanimously.

02:15:50.719 --> 02:15:53.256
Item 10.6, the Edithal public golf

02:15:53.280 --> 02:15:55.016
course future options. Council Ashworth

02:15:55.040 --> 02:15:58.040
Colette. The officer recommendation.

02:15:58.400 --> 02:16:01.336
Thank you. A seconder, Council S.

02:16:01.360 --> 02:16:03.816
Council Ashworth Colette.

02:16:03.840 --> 02:16:05.736
I'd like to start by thanking the

02:16:05.760 --> 02:16:08.055
officers, especially Bridget, Simon, and

02:16:08.079 --> 02:16:10.296
Martin for their work that's gone on

02:16:10.320 --> 02:16:12.695
with the negotiations in regards to this

02:16:12.719 --> 02:16:15.719
land. The 3/arters of the land of Edal

02:16:15.760 --> 02:16:18.135
Golf Course is part of Melbourne Waters

02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:21.159
Land. Um, so this is a really important

02:16:21.840 --> 02:16:24.615
space, not just for golf, but for the

02:16:24.639 --> 02:16:26.376
environmental

02:16:26.400 --> 02:16:29.095
um parts of it, the biodiversity that

02:16:29.119 --> 02:16:32.119
lives in that land. I'd like to thank

02:16:32.479 --> 02:16:35.479
the Australian Golf Club and their board

02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:38.216
for continuing to work really well with

02:16:38.240 --> 02:16:41.240
Kingston Council through this process.

02:16:41.359 --> 02:16:43.415
Noting the club's been through quite a

02:16:43.439 --> 02:16:45.816
bit recently with um the burning down of

02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:48.216
their pro shop a couple years ago, but

02:16:48.240 --> 02:16:50.535
fingers crossed that should all be done

02:16:50.559 --> 02:16:52.216
very soon for them, which I'm very

02:16:52.240 --> 02:16:54.936
excited. Um

02:16:54.960 --> 02:16:57.960
so this um here today um we are reducing

02:17:00.319 --> 02:17:02.856
the funding that goes towards the club

02:17:02.880 --> 02:17:04.856
which is financially

02:17:04.880 --> 02:17:07.880
um sustainable for council and that

02:17:08.240 --> 02:17:09.655
council officers are going to continue

02:17:09.679 --> 02:17:12.679
to work alongside the golf course um to

02:17:12.960 --> 02:17:15.960
help um help maintain their long-term um

02:17:17.599 --> 02:17:19.415
sustainability.

02:17:19.439 --> 02:17:22.056
Um, I'd just like to say a few things

02:17:22.080 --> 02:17:24.056
about the club. It's such a positive,

02:17:24.080 --> 02:17:27.080
welcoming opening space. Um, it's very

02:17:27.439 --> 02:17:29.655
accessible. It's very female friendly.

02:17:29.679 --> 02:17:31.976
Um, lots of ages play here. And I think

02:17:32.000 --> 02:17:34.856
it's a um, lots of casual people go

02:17:34.880 --> 02:17:37.016
there to try out golf and use golf and

02:17:37.040 --> 02:17:38.776
and play golf. And I just think it's a

02:17:38.800 --> 02:17:41.575
wonderful space. So, I'm really um,

02:17:41.599 --> 02:17:43.495
supportive of this tonight. And I wanted

02:17:43.519 --> 02:17:46.295
to say thanks again to the staff.

02:17:46.319 --> 02:17:47.816
Thank you, Council Ashworth. Call it

02:17:47.840 --> 02:17:50.295
councelor sub

02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:52.136
reserve. Are there any other counselors

02:17:52.160 --> 02:17:55.160
on this matter?

02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:58.375
There being none, I will put that to the

02:17:58.399 --> 02:18:01.399
vote. All those in favor

02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:04.840
that is carried unanimously.

02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:09.896
Item 11.1 the performance report council

02:18:09.920 --> 02:18:12.920
and wellbeing plan year 1 quarter 3.

02:18:13.280 --> 02:18:15.655
A motion. Councelor O'Donnell and

02:18:15.679 --> 02:18:18.216
seconded. Councelor How?

02:18:18.240 --> 02:18:20.455
Councelor O'Donnell. Reserve. Councelor

02:18:20.479 --> 02:18:20.776
How?

02:18:20.800 --> 02:18:21.256
Reserve.

02:18:21.280 --> 02:18:23.575
Reserve. Thank you. Any councilors on

02:18:23.599 --> 02:18:26.599
this matter?

02:18:27.359 --> 02:18:29.016
There being none, I will put that to the

02:18:29.040 --> 02:18:32.040
vote. All those in favor?

02:18:32.719 --> 02:18:34.535
That is councelor How, Councelor

02:18:34.559 --> 02:18:36.375
O'Donnell, councelor Thanosopoulos,

02:18:36.399 --> 02:18:38.535
councelor Agirtan, councelor Rebanus,

02:18:38.559 --> 02:18:40.936
Councelor Sab, Councelor Ashworth Klet,

02:18:40.960 --> 02:18:43.335
Councelor Hill, and myself. All those

02:18:43.359 --> 02:18:46.359
against and abstaining councelor white

02:18:46.880 --> 02:18:49.736
that is carried.

02:18:49.760 --> 02:18:51.816
Item 11.2 the adopted council and

02:18:51.840 --> 02:18:53.655
wellbeing plan year 2 annual action

02:18:53.679 --> 02:18:55.736
plan.

02:18:55.760 --> 02:18:58.136
A motion.

02:18:58.160 --> 02:18:59.896
Councelor O'Donnell. Thank you. A

02:18:59.920 --> 02:19:02.920
seconder. Councelor Reanus.

02:19:04.240 --> 02:19:05.256
Councelor O'Donnell. Do you wish to

02:19:05.280 --> 02:19:06.375
speak to the motion?

02:19:06.399 --> 02:19:09.176
Reserve. Councelor Reanus. Thank you.

02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:12.200
Any councils on this matter?

02:19:12.319 --> 02:19:14.936
Council White,

02:19:14.960 --> 02:19:17.096
I'd just like to say how excited I am.

02:19:17.120 --> 02:19:18.936
We're not going to see the 20inut

02:19:18.960 --> 02:19:21.096
neighborhoods rammed down our throats.

02:19:21.120 --> 02:19:23.495
That dirty globalist agenda is off our

02:19:23.519 --> 02:19:26.375
agenda now, which is really nice. Um,

02:19:26.399 --> 02:19:28.455
and just a reminder, the reason I don't

02:19:28.479 --> 02:19:30.856
support these well-being plans is

02:19:30.880 --> 02:19:32.936
because it's just another legislated way

02:19:32.960 --> 02:19:35.960
from the Labor Party to steal our money.

02:19:36.960 --> 02:19:39.335
Thank you, Council White.

02:19:39.359 --> 02:19:40.695
Are there any other councils on this

02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:43.719
matter?

02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:48.936
There being none, I will put that to the

02:19:48.960 --> 02:19:51.960
vote. All those in favor,

02:19:54.640 --> 02:19:56.616
that is councelor How, Councelor

02:19:56.640 --> 02:19:59.096
O'Donnell, councelor Athanosopoulos,

02:19:59.120 --> 02:20:01.176
councelor Agirtan, councelor Remenus,

02:20:01.200 --> 02:20:03.335
councelor Sab, councelor Ashworthlet,

02:20:03.359 --> 02:20:05.896
councelor Hill, and myself. All those

02:20:05.920 --> 02:20:08.920
against and abstaining councelor white

02:20:10.240 --> 02:20:13.240
that is carried.

02:20:13.359 --> 02:20:15.736
We now move to item 11.3 which is the

02:20:15.760 --> 02:20:17.176
governance and cultural improvement

02:20:17.200 --> 02:20:19.496
working group

02:20:19.520 --> 02:20:22.520
council's action plan.

02:20:24.319 --> 02:20:26.136
As I I'm I'm excited there's so many

02:20:26.160 --> 02:20:28.616
people wanting to move it. Um, as I did

02:20:28.640 --> 02:20:31.640
outline at our working group meetings at

02:20:31.760 --> 02:20:34.760
CIS and before this meeting, um, that

02:20:34.800 --> 02:20:36.536
council O'Donnell and myself as mayor

02:20:36.560 --> 02:20:38.375
and deputy mayor, , would be moving

02:20:38.399 --> 02:20:40.455
this item. So, with council's

02:20:40.479 --> 02:20:42.536
indulgence, I would move this item from

02:20:42.560 --> 02:20:45.256
the chair and councelor O'Donnell as

02:20:45.280 --> 02:20:47.016
second

02:20:47.040 --> 02:20:48.696
and that is we are moving the

02:20:48.720 --> 02:20:50.455
recommendation as you see in the agenda

02:20:50.479 --> 02:20:53.016
and on the screen.

02:20:53.040 --> 02:20:54.616
Thank you.

02:20:54.640 --> 02:20:57.096
Um, tonight we are asking council to

02:20:57.120 --> 02:20:58.776
adopt the action plan developed by the

02:20:58.800 --> 02:21:00.136
governance and cultural improvement

02:21:00.160 --> 02:21:01.896
working group. And I'm pleased to move

02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:03.576
this item as both mayor and chair of

02:21:03.600 --> 02:21:05.976
this working group. And to do so, I do

02:21:06.000 --> 02:21:07.976
want to briefly explain um to those who

02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:09.816
might be watching from home what the

02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:11.415
working group set out to do and what the

02:21:11.439 --> 02:21:14.056
action plan contains just very briefly.

02:21:14.080 --> 02:21:16.536
The action plan before council reflects

02:21:16.560 --> 02:21:17.896
the working group's careful

02:21:17.920 --> 02:21:19.816
deliberations over a number of sessions,

02:21:19.840 --> 02:21:21.656
taking into consideration feedback from

02:21:21.680 --> 02:21:23.896
the whole council group since February

02:21:23.920 --> 02:21:26.616
of this year. Taking into consideration

02:21:26.640 --> 02:21:28.536
feedback also from officers, the

02:21:28.560 --> 02:21:30.295
monitors and of course the working group

02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:32.536
itself. The plan addresses the way that

02:21:32.560 --> 02:21:34.295
we work together as a council, the

02:21:34.319 --> 02:21:35.976
standards we hold ourselves to in the

02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:37.415
chamber in our dealings with officers

02:21:37.439 --> 02:21:39.816
and each other and the processes that

02:21:39.840 --> 02:21:41.656
support effective, efficient, and

02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:43.816
respectful governance. It's not a

02:21:43.840 --> 02:21:46.056
theoretical document. It is a practical

02:21:46.080 --> 02:21:48.696
commitment to continuous improvement. It

02:21:48.720 --> 02:21:51.016
addresses items we can continue to do,

02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:53.016
items we can strengthen, and items we

02:21:53.040 --> 02:21:55.176
can implement for delivery. I'd

02:21:55.200 --> 02:21:57.335
encourage the community to read this

02:21:57.359 --> 02:21:58.616
document as a commitment to the

02:21:58.640 --> 02:22:00.536
improvement that we can make as a

02:22:00.560 --> 02:22:02.696
council. I want to thank the members of

02:22:02.720 --> 02:22:04.056
the working group for their contribution

02:22:04.080 --> 02:22:06.936
to this work and acknowledge sincerely

02:22:06.960 --> 02:22:08.856
the work of officers who provided

02:22:08.880 --> 02:22:10.776
support throughout this process and

02:22:10.800 --> 02:22:12.536
particularly Kelly Shacklock and the

02:22:12.560 --> 02:22:14.856
governance team. The work has been and

02:22:14.880 --> 02:22:17.576
the support has been enormous. Thank

02:22:17.600 --> 02:22:20.600
you, Council O'Donnell.

02:22:21.200 --> 02:22:22.375
Thank you, Mayor Oxley. I think you've

02:22:22.399 --> 02:22:23.896
summed that up incredibly well. I just

02:22:23.920 --> 02:22:26.920
want to reiterate my thanks to the team,

02:22:27.040 --> 02:22:29.415
the working group, and specifically Cali

02:22:29.439 --> 02:22:31.816
Shak for her contribution and

02:22:31.840 --> 02:22:34.696
availability because it we acted on this

02:22:34.720 --> 02:22:37.720
very very quickly. Um, and

02:22:38.399 --> 02:22:40.295
counceloropoulos,

02:22:40.319 --> 02:22:43.319
councelor How, and yourself, Mayor Oxley

02:22:43.439 --> 02:22:45.816
and councelor Agaton for the work that

02:22:45.840 --> 02:22:47.976
we have done together to to come to

02:22:48.000 --> 02:22:50.696
where we are tonight. Um, thank you. It

02:22:50.720 --> 02:22:53.720
is been a It's always good working with

02:22:53.920 --> 02:22:55.096
you guys. We don't always agree on

02:22:55.120 --> 02:22:57.016
everything, but  when we don't when we

02:22:57.040 --> 02:22:59.656
don't agree, we have

02:22:59.680 --> 02:23:02.455
really considerate robust debate because

02:23:02.479 --> 02:23:04.536
that's what we're here for. So, thank

02:23:04.560 --> 02:23:07.560
you to you all and  well done. Thank

02:23:08.720 --> 02:23:10.776
you, Councelor O'Donnell. Are there any

02:23:10.800 --> 02:23:13.800
other counselors? Council White,

02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:20.216
I'm going to call this action plan what

02:23:20.240 --> 02:23:23.176
it is, a complete and utter fast. For

02:23:23.200 --> 02:23:25.256
months, the media has reported what our

02:23:25.280 --> 02:23:27.415
community has long suspected that the

02:23:27.439 --> 02:23:28.856
president presence of these

02:23:28.880 --> 02:23:30.776
stateappointed monitors is nothing more

02:23:30.800 --> 02:23:33.415
than blatant political interference by

02:23:33.439 --> 02:23:35.576
the Labor government. There are now

02:23:35.600 --> 02:23:37.976
multiple open eyeback cases and I have

02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:39.976
personally escalated these matters to

02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:42.295
the chief integrity officer. Pause just

02:23:42.319 --> 02:23:44.536
for a second. Councelor White. Councelor

02:23:44.560 --> 02:23:46.056
Sab, your point of order.

02:23:46.080 --> 02:23:49.080
Relevance to the item.

02:23:49.760 --> 02:23:52.760
, in terms of which particular comment

02:23:53.040 --> 02:23:56.040
the IBBACK references?

02:23:58.240 --> 02:24:00.616
Um,

02:24:00.640 --> 02:24:02.536
I'm going to rule against that point of

02:24:02.560 --> 02:24:05.256
order as I

02:24:05.280 --> 02:24:07.256
And yes, we will adjust the the timer.

02:24:07.280 --> 02:24:08.216
Can you take it back?

02:24:08.240 --> 02:24:09.976
Yeah. Yeah, we will adjust the timer.

02:24:10.000 --> 02:24:11.256
I'm going to rule against the point of

02:24:11.280 --> 02:24:14.216
order in terms of relevance. Um, as I I

02:24:14.240 --> 02:24:16.536
am aware that I believe there there were

02:24:16.560 --> 02:24:18.295
cases reported to IBBACK in terms of the

02:24:18.319 --> 02:24:19.896
appointment of monitors at at Kingston

02:24:19.920 --> 02:24:22.056
Council. So, I do think that's relevant

02:24:22.080 --> 02:24:23.736
given that the action plan came from the

02:24:23.760 --> 02:24:26.295
monitors appointment.

02:24:26.319 --> 02:24:28.856
Thank you, Mayor Oxley. , if the

02:24:28.880 --> 02:24:30.696
corruption watchdogs do their job

02:24:30.720 --> 02:24:32.536
properly, we should see the resignation

02:24:32.560 --> 02:24:35.496
of a Labor minister. Woohoo.

02:24:35.520 --> 02:24:37.415
And who's paying for this political

02:24:37.439 --> 02:24:39.736
theater? Kingston rate payers at a cost

02:24:39.760 --> 02:24:42.760
of 1,500 per day plus expenses for each

02:24:42.800 --> 02:24:44.856
monitors. Residents are footing the bill

02:24:44.880 --> 02:24:47.496
that could easily exceed half a million

02:24:47.520 --> 02:24:50.136
dollars. A disgusting amount of money

02:24:50.160 --> 02:24:52.056
being diverted away from our local

02:24:52.080 --> 02:24:54.136
services and infrastructure. And when

02:24:54.160 --> 02:24:55.896
the budget comes up later tonight, I'll

02:24:55.920 --> 02:24:57.496
be on my knees begging for a bit of

02:24:57.520 --> 02:24:59.256
chump change to keep our council

02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:01.816
facilities up to compliance standards so

02:25:01.840 --> 02:25:03.576
our local football and netball clubs

02:25:03.600 --> 02:25:06.216
aren't operating in absolute squalor.

02:25:06.240 --> 02:25:08.455
The sheer hypocrisy in this document is

02:25:08.479 --> 02:25:10.776
staggering. Let's draw our attention

02:25:10.800 --> 02:25:12.936
specifically to some of the themes.

02:25:12.960 --> 02:25:15.736
Health and well-being, integrity. The

02:25:15.760 --> 02:25:18.136
irony here is thick enough to choke on.

02:25:18.160 --> 02:25:20.136
We're being lectured on workplace safety

02:25:20.160 --> 02:25:22.455
and culture. Yet, we all know the secret

02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:24.696
in local government that Minister Stacos

02:25:24.720 --> 02:25:27.335
allegedly threatened our mayor and CEO

02:25:27.359 --> 02:25:29.176
with the appointment of monitors to

02:25:29.200 --> 02:25:32.200
protect a labor aligned counselor. So,

02:25:32.319 --> 02:25:34.216
the state government can allegedly use

02:25:34.240 --> 02:25:36.216
bullying tactics to threaten this

02:25:36.240 --> 02:25:37.896
council. And apparently the minister

02:25:37.920 --> 02:25:40.455
even labeled me a dog, but I'm the one

02:25:40.479 --> 02:25:42.536
who needs to sit through more hours of

02:25:42.560 --> 02:25:45.176
mandatory training on integrity. I mean,

02:25:45.200 --> 02:25:48.056
is this a sick joke? It's been an

02:25:48.080 --> 02:25:49.896
interesting social experiment watching

02:25:49.920 --> 02:25:51.816
how quickly when you sprinkle a little

02:25:51.840 --> 02:25:53.736
bit of fear and a pathetic amount of

02:25:53.760 --> 02:25:56.056
money, how good intentions are replaced

02:25:56.080 --> 02:25:58.696
with self-preservation and obsequious

02:25:58.720 --> 02:26:01.256
behavior. I know some in this room will

02:26:01.280 --> 02:26:02.696
not be voting in line with the

02:26:02.720 --> 02:26:04.616
community's best interest to stop this

02:26:04.640 --> 02:26:07.016
waste of resources. They'll keep

02:26:07.040 --> 02:26:09.335
entertaining these patronizing box

02:26:09.359 --> 02:26:11.736
ticking exercises just to show how

02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:13.256
compliant they are for what is

02:26:13.280 --> 02:26:16.056
essentially a face saving exit strategy

02:26:16.080 --> 02:26:18.856
for Labor. The monitor's extended terms

02:26:18.880 --> 02:26:20.936
ends on June 30 and in the leadup to

02:26:20.960 --> 02:26:22.856
election, you have to be delusional at

02:26:22.880 --> 02:26:25.176
this point to think ripping off Kingston

02:26:25.200 --> 02:26:27.016
residents is a winning strategy for

02:26:27.040 --> 02:26:29.496
labor locally. State government needs to

02:26:29.520 --> 02:26:31.736
pack up, go home, and hand local

02:26:31.760 --> 02:26:33.736
democracy back to the people who were

02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:35.976
actually elected to run this city.

02:26:36.000 --> 02:26:38.536
Anyone supporting this tonight should go

02:26:38.560 --> 02:26:40.295
home and take a long hard look at

02:26:40.319 --> 02:26:42.295
themselves in the mirror.

02:26:42.319 --> 02:26:45.096
Thank you, Council White. Are there any

02:26:45.120 --> 02:26:47.656
other councils on this matter? Councelor

02:26:47.680 --> 02:26:49.496
Sab,

02:26:49.520 --> 02:26:51.656
thank you. May I just like to move an

02:26:51.680 --> 02:26:54.680
amendment to this item?

02:26:56.720 --> 02:26:59.720
Thank you.

02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:01.736
Are you moving the amendment as a whole

02:27:01.760 --> 02:27:04.696
as sent through or as as sent through?

02:27:04.720 --> 02:27:07.720
Yes.

02:27:18.880 --> 02:27:20.536
Thank you. Do I have a second for this

02:27:20.560 --> 02:27:23.560
amendment?

02:27:24.800 --> 02:27:26.136
Can you just confirm with the mover and

02:27:26.160 --> 02:27:27.656
secondary if they're willing to accept

02:27:27.680 --> 02:27:28.375
that?

02:27:28.399 --> 02:27:30.536
, as previously advised, I'm not

02:27:30.560 --> 02:27:31.656
willing to accept it and I believe

02:27:31.680 --> 02:27:34.680
councelor O'Donnell was not either.

02:27:35.120 --> 02:27:37.256
Councelor Hill, was that Sorry, I I

02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:40.280
missed that. Yes, thank you.

02:28:02.560 --> 02:28:04.375
So that amendment is then moved. Council

02:28:04.399 --> 02:28:07.399
SA and seconded Councelor Hill.

02:28:14.000 --> 02:28:15.896
Council Sab.

02:28:15.920 --> 02:28:17.576
Yeah, thank you. I'll just speak briefly

02:28:17.600 --> 02:28:20.600
to it. Um these are amendments that are

02:28:20.800 --> 02:28:22.936
just actually enhancing what is included

02:28:22.960 --> 02:28:25.096
in the action plan. In some instances

02:28:25.120 --> 02:28:26.536
they just go a little bit further to

02:28:26.560 --> 02:28:28.936
make inclusions of references to

02:28:28.960 --> 02:28:31.736
monitors reports or arbitration findings

02:28:31.760 --> 02:28:34.696
or other um peak body recommendations on

02:28:34.720 --> 02:28:35.816
governance and frameworks and

02:28:35.840 --> 02:28:38.455
recommendations. Um, in other instances,

02:28:38.479 --> 02:28:40.616
there are inclusions of things that this

02:28:40.640 --> 02:28:42.696
council has previously spoken about,

02:28:42.720 --> 02:28:44.616
things like norms and values and

02:28:44.640 --> 02:28:46.616
articulating those a little bit clearer,

02:28:46.640 --> 02:28:47.976
um, to make sure that we're covering

02:28:48.000 --> 02:28:49.256
everything that we've kind of

02:28:49.280 --> 02:28:50.936
identified. It's no secret that there is

02:28:50.960 --> 02:28:53.256
issues in this council. Um, there are a

02:28:53.280 --> 02:28:55.096
lot of governance concerns. This goes a

02:28:55.120 --> 02:28:57.335
way in addressing those. Um, they talk

02:28:57.359 --> 02:29:00.295
about things to do with, , role

02:29:00.319 --> 02:29:02.616
distinctions and understandings, , as

02:29:02.640 --> 02:29:04.536
well as leadership opportunities as well

02:29:04.560 --> 02:29:07.256
as development plans. Um I think it's a

02:29:07.280 --> 02:29:09.496
pretty straightforward amendment or or

02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:12.520
amendments I should say um that actually

02:29:12.880 --> 02:29:15.816
are reflective of  the feedback that

02:29:15.840 --> 02:29:18.840
councilors actually provided to um Miss

02:29:19.280 --> 02:29:21.096
Shaklock and to the governance team when

02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:23.496
the initial document was set out for us

02:29:23.520 --> 02:29:25.816
to provide feedback to.  it addresses

02:29:25.840 --> 02:29:27.415
some of the key themes that came out of

02:29:27.439 --> 02:29:29.976
that.  it also actually goes as far as

02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:32.536
addressing some of the  regular themes

02:29:32.560 --> 02:29:34.616
that you would find or concerns that you

02:29:34.640 --> 02:29:35.976
would find that come out of other

02:29:36.000 --> 02:29:37.816
monitor monitors reports across the

02:29:37.840 --> 02:29:39.896
state and across the sector.  and

02:29:39.920 --> 02:29:42.136
ensures that we going forward as a

02:29:42.160 --> 02:29:43.816
council can actually address these

02:29:43.840 --> 02:29:46.216
concerns whether they because it's

02:29:46.240 --> 02:29:48.216
missing currently in my view or in some

02:29:48.240 --> 02:29:49.656
instances it doesn't go far enough in

02:29:49.680 --> 02:29:51.816
actually better articulating them. Um

02:29:51.840 --> 02:29:54.840
this way whoever is um sitting in these

02:29:55.280 --> 02:29:56.936
roles going into the future that we can

02:29:56.960 --> 02:29:59.736
better enhance our governance um

02:29:59.760 --> 02:30:01.496
processes and procedures to make sure

02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:03.496
that we are a high functioning and

02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:05.736
efficient council and counselor group.

02:30:05.760 --> 02:30:07.816
 like I said in some instances they

02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:09.816
are strengthening in other in instances

02:30:09.840 --> 02:30:12.375
they are introducing new actions.  and

02:30:12.399 --> 02:30:15.176
I would commend it and  hope my fellow

02:30:15.200 --> 02:30:17.976
counselors can support this.

02:30:18.000 --> 02:30:21.000
Thank you council sub. Council for Hill.

02:30:24.080 --> 02:30:25.736
Yeah, thank you Madame Mayor. Um, look,

02:30:25.760 --> 02:30:27.415
don't need to speak too long because I

02:30:27.439 --> 02:30:29.736
think , councelor S spoke very very

02:30:29.760 --> 02:30:32.295
well to this. Um I agree that this

02:30:32.319 --> 02:30:35.319
enhances  the original motion and um

02:30:37.280 --> 02:30:39.176
look I think the most important thing is

02:30:39.200 --> 02:30:41.736
that we did all give feedback I believe

02:30:41.760 --> 02:30:44.760
on um the action plan um some weeks ago

02:30:45.359 --> 02:30:48.216
now and I think this better reflects the

02:30:48.240 --> 02:30:51.240
feedback that um many counselors gave.

02:30:51.439 --> 02:30:54.439
So  I think overall this would just I

02:30:54.640 --> 02:30:57.640
guess round off the action plan and and

02:30:58.000 --> 02:31:01.000
um yeah address as councelor S mentioned

02:31:01.359 --> 02:31:04.359
we we have seen um monitors reports and

02:31:05.359 --> 02:31:07.096
the sort of things that they're often

02:31:07.120 --> 02:31:09.576
critical of and I I think that this

02:31:09.600 --> 02:31:12.600
addresses those things to make sure that

02:31:12.720 --> 02:31:15.176
 we are proactively

02:31:15.200 --> 02:31:17.496
seen to be acknowledging you know some

02:31:17.520 --> 02:31:19.736
of the issues that we faced as a council

02:31:19.760 --> 02:31:21.576
and and taking them head on and and

02:31:21.600 --> 02:31:24.375
hopefully resolving it so that  we can

02:31:24.399 --> 02:31:26.536
move on and and do better for our

02:31:26.560 --> 02:31:28.536
community. So that's all. Thank you.

02:31:28.560 --> 02:31:30.056
Thank you. Councelor Hill, are there any

02:31:30.080 --> 02:31:33.080
other councilors on the amendment?

02:31:34.160 --> 02:31:35.896
You may. Councilor O'Donnell, a

02:31:35.920 --> 02:31:36.375
question.

02:31:36.399 --> 02:31:37.976
Thank you, Mayor Oxley. And through you,

02:31:38.000 --> 02:31:41.000
Mayor Oxley, may I ask who nominated

02:31:42.240 --> 02:31:44.295
for the working group?

02:31:44.319 --> 02:31:45.256
You may.

02:31:45.280 --> 02:31:46.375
Thank you,

02:31:46.399 --> 02:31:49.176
Mr. CEO.  we received three

02:31:49.200 --> 02:31:51.415
nominations. They were from councilors

02:31:51.439 --> 02:31:54.439
O'Donnell, Agaton and Era of Nites.

02:31:56.720 --> 02:31:58.696
A further question

02:31:58.720 --> 02:32:00.295
or do you wish to speak to the motion

02:32:00.319 --> 02:32:01.335
the amendment?

02:32:01.359 --> 02:32:04.359
Can I confirm then that it was

02:32:05.439 --> 02:32:08.439
out of the the originally appointed to

02:32:08.479 --> 02:32:11.256
the working group was council how

02:32:11.280 --> 02:32:14.216
councilopoulos and yourself?

02:32:14.240 --> 02:32:14.536
Correct.

02:32:14.560 --> 02:32:16.536
And out of the three that applied or

02:32:16.560 --> 02:32:18.936
nominated, councelor Agaton and myself

02:32:18.960 --> 02:32:21.415
were appointed. Is that correct?

02:32:21.439 --> 02:32:22.776
Through you, Mayor Oxley, that is

02:32:22.800 --> 02:32:24.216
correct.

02:32:24.240 --> 02:32:26.455
Thank you.

02:32:26.479 --> 02:32:27.576
Are there any other councils on the

02:32:27.600 --> 02:32:29.896
amendment? Council Agirtan. , a

02:32:29.920 --> 02:32:32.295
question if I may. , can I please

02:32:32.319 --> 02:32:34.616
confirm through you, Madame Mayor, how

02:32:34.640 --> 02:32:37.335
many meetings did the working group have

02:32:37.359 --> 02:32:39.976
altogether since its inception? Thank

02:32:40.000 --> 02:32:43.000
you.

02:32:44.240 --> 02:32:45.976
, just let me check with it. I just

02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:47.496
need to confirm how many I think it was

02:32:47.520 --> 02:32:50.455
four meetings. I think here four

02:32:50.479 --> 02:32:52.536
meetings through Merrickson.

02:32:52.560 --> 02:32:55.256
There you go.

02:32:55.280 --> 02:32:58.136
Oh, there you go. It is four.

02:32:58.160 --> 02:32:59.576
Yes, council.

02:32:59.600 --> 02:33:02.455
And just to reiterate the point that um

02:33:02.479 --> 02:33:04.295
deputy mayor O'Donnell was making

02:33:04.319 --> 02:33:06.056
previously,  none of those meetings

02:33:06.080 --> 02:33:09.080
were attended by council for he was not

02:33:10.479 --> 02:33:12.616
um expressing any interest to be part of

02:33:12.640 --> 02:33:14.295
the working group to provide his

02:33:14.319 --> 02:33:16.696
valuable feedback in a timely manner. Is

02:33:16.720 --> 02:33:19.016
that correct?

02:33:19.040 --> 02:33:21.816
I'm going to take that as a point and

02:33:21.840 --> 02:33:24.536
not a question through to officers. I

02:33:24.560 --> 02:33:26.056
will take that just as comment and not a

02:33:26.080 --> 02:33:27.256
question through to officers because I

02:33:27.280 --> 02:33:28.295
think they've answered the question of

02:33:28.319 --> 02:33:31.256
who was on the working group. Thank you.

02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:34.216
Are there any further

02:33:34.240 --> 02:33:37.240
councelors?

02:33:38.080 --> 02:33:41.080
Thanks mayor. And um whilst I think it's

02:33:42.319 --> 02:33:44.295
fair to ask who decided to join and put

02:33:44.319 --> 02:33:46.375
their hands up to join, I think it's

02:33:46.399 --> 02:33:48.776
also important that we highlight that

02:33:48.800 --> 02:33:51.800
this is a action plan that needs to be

02:33:52.560 --> 02:33:54.696
supported and endorsed by all counselors

02:33:54.720 --> 02:33:56.455
trying to get as much support around the

02:33:56.479 --> 02:33:59.096
table as we can. It's not about just a

02:33:59.120 --> 02:34:01.176
working group albeit that was a notice

02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:03.736
of motion that me and councelor How did

02:34:03.760 --> 02:34:05.736
bring to this chamber so that we can do

02:34:05.760 --> 02:34:07.816
some of that refinement work. It also

02:34:07.840 --> 02:34:09.736
instructed us to make sure the

02:34:09.760 --> 02:34:11.816
counselors were involved. It was

02:34:11.840 --> 02:34:14.216
mentioned earlier tonight that  the

02:34:14.240 --> 02:34:15.816
first sort of contact that we had with

02:34:15.840 --> 02:34:18.616
councils was way back in February. And

02:34:18.640 --> 02:34:20.616
that might be actually true, but the

02:34:20.640 --> 02:34:22.455
actual nitty-gritty of it came a little

02:34:22.479 --> 02:34:24.136
bit later than that, a little bit after

02:34:24.160 --> 02:34:27.016
we started and produced the action plan

02:34:27.040 --> 02:34:29.496
that my wonderful colleagues and I put

02:34:29.520 --> 02:34:32.520
together through that working group.

02:34:32.640 --> 02:34:34.136
But that's irrelevant really because

02:34:34.160 --> 02:34:36.056
there's an amendment before us which

02:34:36.080 --> 02:34:38.696
seeks to enhance the work that we've

02:34:38.720 --> 02:34:41.720
done and for whatever reason that has

02:34:41.760 --> 02:34:43.816
not been accepted prior and is before us

02:34:43.840 --> 02:34:46.216
now. We have to make a decision on if

02:34:46.240 --> 02:34:48.056
these items that have been put before us

02:34:48.080 --> 02:34:50.295
will enhance it or not. And in my view,

02:34:50.319 --> 02:34:52.536
I think they will enhance it. I don't

02:34:52.560 --> 02:34:53.976
see that there will be any detraction

02:34:54.000 --> 02:34:56.375
whatsoever. The reality is we're all

02:34:56.399 --> 02:34:58.136
leaders. the moment we get elected to

02:34:58.160 --> 02:35:01.160
council, we are those the moment that we

02:35:01.359 --> 02:35:02.856
take these roles and it doesn't mean

02:35:02.880 --> 02:35:05.496
that we it's a criticism of anyone quite

02:35:05.520 --> 02:35:08.520
frankly um when it comes to leadership

02:35:08.880 --> 02:35:11.335
as far as I'm concerned anyway because

02:35:11.359 --> 02:35:13.736
the reality is that we all  get get

02:35:13.760 --> 02:35:15.415
put into that basket and we all can

02:35:15.439 --> 02:35:18.136
improve. I know that even in my time

02:35:18.160 --> 02:35:20.936
here, albeit I've served  in previous

02:35:20.960 --> 02:35:23.960
years, um I've improved some sometimes

02:35:24.560 --> 02:35:26.776
been from my colleagues, sometimes it's

02:35:26.800 --> 02:35:28.455
been from our wonderful officers who

02:35:28.479 --> 02:35:30.856
have great experience.  and if we get

02:35:30.880 --> 02:35:32.536
the professionals in around us, that can

02:35:32.560 --> 02:35:35.016
improve us. Yet again, I think what we

02:35:35.040 --> 02:35:37.656
have before us and what's um what's

02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:40.680
asked to be included um if it was been

02:35:40.720 --> 02:35:42.776
supported by counselors would only

02:35:42.800 --> 02:35:45.800
encourage more of a development for us,

02:35:46.000 --> 02:35:48.696
not just as individuals, which I just

02:35:48.720 --> 02:35:51.016
went through explaining, but us

02:35:51.040 --> 02:35:53.816
collectively as well. So, I would

02:35:53.840 --> 02:35:55.576
endorse this as a committee member. I

02:35:55.600 --> 02:35:57.496
think it's good work. Thank you for

02:35:57.520 --> 02:35:59.896
bringing it up and I hope that there

02:35:59.920 --> 02:36:02.920
would be support around the chamber.

02:36:03.120 --> 02:36:05.016
Thank you counceloropolis. Are there any

02:36:05.040 --> 02:36:08.040
other councilors on the amendment?

02:36:10.800 --> 02:36:12.375
Before I then put the amendment to the

02:36:12.399 --> 02:36:14.455
vote, I will just make a comment on the

02:36:14.479 --> 02:36:17.176
amendment. Um I won't be supporting the

02:36:17.200 --> 02:36:18.295
amendment and the reason why I didn't

02:36:18.319 --> 02:36:20.936
support it as mover is we have undergone

02:36:20.960 --> 02:36:22.616
a process in the development of this

02:36:22.640 --> 02:36:24.776
action plan and that has included

02:36:24.800 --> 02:36:26.856
multiple touch points with counselors in

02:36:26.880 --> 02:36:29.096
various different ways from February

02:36:29.120 --> 02:36:32.120
when a first draft of this came to a

02:36:32.399 --> 02:36:34.856
counselor workshop. Um there was even

02:36:34.880 --> 02:36:36.455
then an opportunity after that council

02:36:36.479 --> 02:36:38.536
workshop where counselors were given the

02:36:38.560 --> 02:36:41.016
opportunity to fill in a a draft version

02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:43.896
of this with their feedback and um from

02:36:43.920 --> 02:36:46.216
my understanding no counselor submitted

02:36:46.240 --> 02:36:48.856
draft feedback at that point. We then

02:36:48.880 --> 02:36:50.936
went through a process where the working

02:36:50.960 --> 02:36:52.295
group was established and there were

02:36:52.319 --> 02:36:54.295
multiple touch points not only with the

02:36:54.319 --> 02:36:55.896
working group we heard the number of

02:36:55.920 --> 02:36:57.976
meetings there was outside conversation

02:36:58.000 --> 02:36:59.415
that happened through email of the

02:36:59.439 --> 02:37:01.335
working group. There was then

02:37:01.359 --> 02:37:03.016
conversations at our council briefing

02:37:03.040 --> 02:37:05.976
sessions, a number of those and this is

02:37:06.000 --> 02:37:08.375
the first that I have seen this

02:37:08.399 --> 02:37:10.536
amendment today

02:37:10.560 --> 02:37:13.560
and I think that to me perhaps goes to

02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:16.600
demonstrate part of the problem. Um, but

02:37:16.880 --> 02:37:18.776
I'm going to focus on looking forward

02:37:18.800 --> 02:37:20.696
and the process that we've undertaken to

02:37:20.720 --> 02:37:23.415
get to this point and the fact that

02:37:23.439 --> 02:37:25.496
there has been general support of what's

02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:28.455
gone into the action plan without

02:37:28.479 --> 02:37:30.776
discussion of a counselor group coming

02:37:30.800 --> 02:37:32.696
together and not amendments sent through

02:37:32.720 --> 02:37:35.016
at the last minute on something so

02:37:35.040 --> 02:37:37.656
important as this.

02:37:37.680 --> 02:37:40.375
I don't support. So, it is not the

02:37:40.399 --> 02:37:42.776
content of this amendment. Quite

02:37:42.800 --> 02:37:44.375
frankly, I haven't had time to actually

02:37:44.399 --> 02:37:46.696
look at it, but the fact that there has

02:37:46.720 --> 02:37:49.720
not been a conversation about this is

02:37:50.399 --> 02:37:51.896
disappointing

02:37:51.920 --> 02:37:53.176
and that's why I won't be supporting

02:37:53.200 --> 02:37:55.096
this amendment this evening. As we know,

02:37:55.120 --> 02:37:58.120
this working this  action plan is a

02:37:58.560 --> 02:38:00.936
working document. It is something we can

02:38:00.960 --> 02:38:03.256
add to in the future if we feel the need

02:38:03.280 --> 02:38:06.280
to as a council group after discussion

02:38:06.720 --> 02:38:09.016
as a council group, not just an

02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:12.040
amendment at the last minute.

02:38:12.080 --> 02:38:15.080
I'll now put that amendment to the vote.

02:38:17.680 --> 02:38:20.680
All those in favor of the amendment,

02:38:21.520 --> 02:38:24.136
councelor Thanosopoulos, Councelor How,

02:38:24.160 --> 02:38:26.056
Councelor Sab, Councelor Ashworth,

02:38:26.080 --> 02:38:29.080
Colette, and Councelor Hill,

02:38:29.120 --> 02:38:32.120
all those against the amendment,

02:38:32.160 --> 02:38:34.616
councelor O'Donnell, Councelor White,

02:38:34.640 --> 02:38:37.640
Councelor Agirtan, Councelor Evanus, and

02:38:37.680 --> 02:38:40.216
myself. And that amendment is lost on

02:38:40.240 --> 02:38:43.016
the casting vote of the chair.

02:38:43.040 --> 02:38:46.040
We'll now move back to the substantive

02:38:47.280 --> 02:38:50.280
councils.

02:38:51.680 --> 02:38:54.455
Given the debate and the result,

02:38:54.479 --> 02:38:57.479
 would both the mover and second humor

02:38:58.080 --> 02:39:01.080
me in accepting a potential amendment?

02:39:01.359 --> 02:39:04.359
I'll read it out of sorts

02:39:05.760 --> 02:39:07.335
so effectively

02:39:07.359 --> 02:39:09.256
just bear with us while we get on the

02:39:09.280 --> 02:39:10.455
screen. So as you read it

02:39:10.479 --> 02:39:11.576
Yep. 

02:39:11.600 --> 02:39:14.600
it can be typed.

02:39:15.120 --> 02:39:17.016
Is it an additional point or

02:39:17.040 --> 02:39:19.096
Yeah. So  I think what we'll do is

02:39:19.120 --> 02:39:21.736
move two to three. Three two to three

02:39:21.760 --> 02:39:23.415
will become 34.

02:39:23.439 --> 02:39:24.696
So a new point two.

02:39:24.720 --> 02:39:25.896
It'll be a new point.

02:39:25.920 --> 02:39:27.176
Yep.

02:39:27.200 --> 02:39:30.200
Um

02:39:31.359 --> 02:39:33.816


02:39:33.840 --> 02:39:36.840
continue continue working on the plan

02:39:39.359 --> 02:39:41.016
collectively

02:39:41.040 --> 02:39:44.040
as a counselor group.

02:39:51.920 --> 02:39:54.776
We are bringing back

02:39:54.800 --> 02:39:57.800
Any

02:40:00.240 --> 02:40:03.096
improvements

02:40:03.120 --> 02:40:06.120
or additions

02:40:10.479 --> 02:40:13.479
through council resolution?

02:40:17.200 --> 02:40:18.536
Ask me a question. I have to see if

02:40:18.560 --> 02:40:21.176
someone's going to support it.

02:40:21.200 --> 02:40:24.200
You can ask away.

02:40:24.640 --> 02:40:26.375
Can can I just I need to do with the

02:40:26.399 --> 02:40:29.399
amendment first. I can't

02:40:29.760 --> 02:40:31.016
is

02:40:31.040 --> 02:40:34.040
can I can I explain to you may what I'm

02:40:34.080 --> 02:40:35.816
trying to achieve here. I understand

02:40:35.840 --> 02:40:37.576
that earlier you said that is a live

02:40:37.600 --> 02:40:38.455
document. Yeah.

02:40:38.479 --> 02:40:40.455
It isn't very explicit in our resolution

02:40:40.479 --> 02:40:42.216
that it is a live document. I'm trying

02:40:42.240 --> 02:40:44.776
to bring out that that that that life if

02:40:44.800 --> 02:40:47.800
you like because it is very explicit in

02:40:47.840 --> 02:40:49.656
there that it's we're waiting for the

02:40:49.680 --> 02:40:52.680
report from the mun  from the monitors

02:40:53.439 --> 02:40:56.439
for any additions to occur.  I think

02:40:57.439 --> 02:40:59.096
it would be better for us considering

02:40:59.120 --> 02:41:02.120
what we've just discussed now plus the

02:41:02.160 --> 02:41:03.736
fact that we've identified already that

02:41:03.760 --> 02:41:06.295
is a a living document as was said in

02:41:06.319 --> 02:41:08.295
the chamber already today that we bring

02:41:08.319 --> 02:41:10.375
that out and put it into the c

02:41:10.399 --> 02:41:11.896
can I make a suggestion

02:41:11.920 --> 02:41:12.375
please

02:41:12.399 --> 02:41:15.399
and this may assist point three says

02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:18.136
receive by annual progress updates on

02:41:18.160 --> 02:41:19.816
the implementation of identified actions

02:41:19.840 --> 02:41:21.335
contained within for the duration of the

02:41:21.359 --> 02:41:23.415
council term

02:41:23.439 --> 02:41:25.976
would it be achieving what you're

02:41:26.000 --> 02:41:27.176
wanting

02:41:27.200 --> 02:41:28.696
to have in there received by annual

02:41:28.720 --> 02:41:30.536
progress updates on implementation on

02:41:30.560 --> 02:41:33.096
implementation of identified actions or

02:41:33.120 --> 02:41:35.656
any proposed new actions.

02:41:35.680 --> 02:41:38.680
So twice a year would be looking at an

02:41:39.040 --> 02:41:40.776
update on the proposed actions and any

02:41:40.800 --> 02:41:43.800
new actions that may arise twice a year.

02:41:44.720 --> 02:41:47.720
Otherwise, how does point two become

02:41:47.840 --> 02:41:50.295
then a a council report? That's my

02:41:50.319 --> 02:41:51.656
concern. I'm not sure how you you then

02:41:51.680 --> 02:41:54.680
enact that. Um I if we if we were to

02:41:56.240 --> 02:41:58.056
work collectively as a group and say hey

02:41:58.080 --> 02:42:01.080
we actually should have X in it we just

02:42:01.359 --> 02:42:02.856
bring it back to the chamber. There's no

02:42:02.880 --> 02:42:04.136
there's no reason why we couldn't bring

02:42:04.160 --> 02:42:05.496
it back to the chamber. Whether we say

02:42:05.520 --> 02:42:07.976
by annual let's assume it says bananual

02:42:08.000 --> 02:42:10.536
there but we needed something done at

02:42:10.560 --> 02:42:12.776
the third month of the six month cycle

02:42:12.800 --> 02:42:13.976
we wouldn't bring it back into chamber

02:42:14.000 --> 02:42:15.736
and get it done. I would assume that we

02:42:15.760 --> 02:42:16.056
would

02:42:16.080 --> 02:42:19.080
well ordinarily we're not simply as a

02:42:19.920 --> 02:42:21.496
council without a council resolution

02:42:21.520 --> 02:42:23.176
directing officers what to do. That's my

02:42:23.200 --> 02:42:25.256
concern with with that being point two.

02:42:25.280 --> 02:42:27.335
How how is there an action from it to

02:42:27.359 --> 02:42:28.856
come to council?

02:42:28.880 --> 02:42:30.776
Our point our terms of reference is

02:42:30.800 --> 02:42:32.375
really about an action plan developed by

02:42:32.399 --> 02:42:35.399
council. It is not about the necessarily

02:42:35.600 --> 02:42:37.576
giving us something for us to then adopt

02:42:37.600 --> 02:42:39.896
or consider. It's really the council

02:42:39.920 --> 02:42:41.576
collectively to develop it. I

02:42:41.600 --> 02:42:44.056
I understand what you're saying. So to

02:42:44.080 --> 02:42:47.080
be clear, point 2 as it currently reads,

02:42:47.359 --> 02:42:49.335
I'm not sure could be enacted because

02:42:49.359 --> 02:42:51.496
there is no way that council can direct

02:42:51.520 --> 02:42:54.455
officers without a council resolution to

02:42:54.479 --> 02:42:56.295
do that. That's the point that I'm

02:42:56.319 --> 02:42:59.319
making. So that to me would require a

02:43:00.000 --> 02:43:01.256
council group without a council

02:43:01.280 --> 02:43:02.936
resolution directing officers to bring

02:43:02.960 --> 02:43:04.216
something to the chamber which can't

02:43:04.240 --> 02:43:05.976
happen.

02:43:06.000 --> 02:43:07.736
So I'm trying to give you a way of doing

02:43:07.760 --> 02:43:10.455
that through point three by saying that

02:43:10.479 --> 02:43:12.056
through the bianual report someone can

02:43:12.080 --> 02:43:15.080
move a notice of motion if they wish

02:43:15.280 --> 02:43:16.776
someone can move urgent business if they

02:43:16.800 --> 02:43:18.375
wish but we can't direct officers to

02:43:18.399 --> 02:43:20.295
bring a report unless there's a a doing

02:43:20.319 --> 02:43:23.319
part.

02:43:27.439 --> 02:43:28.936
So we wouldn't be able to continually

02:43:28.960 --> 02:43:30.216
work on it.

02:43:30.240 --> 02:43:31.896
We can continually work on it but to

02:43:31.920 --> 02:43:33.496
bring it to council for resolution how

02:43:33.520 --> 02:43:36.520
does that happen? There's no doing part.

02:43:42.720 --> 02:43:44.136
Do you understand what I'm saying?

02:43:44.160 --> 02:43:46.056
There's there's no there's no mechanism

02:43:46.080 --> 02:43:48.375
to bring it back to council. There must

02:43:48.399 --> 02:43:50.455
be a mechanism that is not councilors

02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:53.176
directing officers to do something. The

02:43:53.200 --> 02:43:54.856
only way we can do that is via a council

02:43:54.880 --> 02:43:57.880
resolution.

02:44:04.720 --> 02:44:07.720
The fact that we did this work

02:44:08.000 --> 02:44:11.000
came on the back of

02:44:11.200 --> 02:44:12.936
a council resolution but that was to

02:44:12.960 --> 02:44:14.216
establish a working group.

02:44:14.240 --> 02:44:16.616
No, I agree with you there. The act an

02:44:16.640 --> 02:44:17.816
action plan would have been developed

02:44:17.840 --> 02:44:19.976
with or without a working group and it

02:44:20.000 --> 02:44:21.335
would have come to chamber for approval

02:44:21.359 --> 02:44:22.616
and it was done through terms of

02:44:22.640 --> 02:44:23.576
reference

02:44:23.600 --> 02:44:25.736
because we were mandated to I'm not I'm

02:44:25.760 --> 02:44:26.616
actually not going to get into an

02:44:26.640 --> 02:44:27.415
argument.

02:44:27.439 --> 02:44:28.455
It's not an argument. I'm trying to

02:44:28.479 --> 02:44:30.216
understand it. is genuinely just trying

02:44:30.240 --> 02:44:30.536
to

02:44:30.560 --> 02:44:32.856
we were mandated to do it. So officers

02:44:32.880 --> 02:44:34.455
had a mechanism to do it because they

02:44:34.479 --> 02:44:35.896
were mandated to do it through the terms

02:44:35.920 --> 02:44:37.976
of reference and we're mandated to do

02:44:38.000 --> 02:44:39.496
that through the ministerial direction

02:44:39.520 --> 02:44:40.776
there.

02:44:40.800 --> 02:44:42.616
There's no direction here to then bring

02:44:42.640 --> 02:44:45.640
this back to council for a resolution.

02:44:47.200 --> 02:44:48.776
It's consensus building outside of a

02:44:48.800 --> 02:44:49.976
council meeting which would be prevented

02:44:50.000 --> 02:44:51.255
under the local government act. There's

02:44:51.279 --> 02:44:52.616
no mechanism to bring it back to

02:44:52.640 --> 02:44:54.216
council. That's I'm trying to give you

02:44:54.240 --> 02:44:55.656
the mechanism in point three in a

02:44:55.680 --> 02:44:57.656
bannual report either that or someone

02:44:57.680 --> 02:44:59.415
can move a notice of motion or urgent

02:44:59.439 --> 02:45:01.415
business or an amendment to a motion.

02:45:01.439 --> 02:45:03.736
There's other ways that that can happen.

02:45:03.760 --> 02:45:05.976
Well, I suppose my hesitation around it

02:45:06.000 --> 02:45:07.816
is that that it's every six months as

02:45:07.840 --> 02:45:10.295
opposed to something further. So, if it

02:45:10.319 --> 02:45:13.319
was maybe received quarterly and then

02:45:13.920 --> 02:45:15.736
okay that you want to add I would be

02:45:15.760 --> 02:45:16.936
happy with but

02:45:16.960 --> 02:45:19.255
it's just that time. So where we're at

02:45:19.279 --> 02:45:21.415
now, I've given my explanation. If

02:45:21.439 --> 02:45:22.696
that's your amendment that you're going

02:45:22.720 --> 02:45:23.976
with, I'm going to rule the amendment

02:45:24.000 --> 02:45:25.415
out of order as I don't believe it can

02:45:25.439 --> 02:45:28.439
actually be enacted by officers.

02:45:28.479 --> 02:45:28.936
Okay.

02:45:28.960 --> 02:45:30.295
So is there an alternate that you want

02:45:30.319 --> 02:45:31.736
to provide?

02:45:31.760 --> 02:45:34.295
 like I said under point number three

02:45:34.319 --> 02:45:37.319
where we re we change receive by annual

02:45:37.439 --> 02:45:39.736
to receive quarterly and then we add

02:45:39.760 --> 02:45:41.656
those components that you said that.

02:45:41.680 --> 02:45:42.856
Okay. So is that now what you're wanting

02:45:42.880 --> 02:45:44.856
to to do as an amendment? Right. So, the

02:45:44.880 --> 02:45:46.056
first amendment I'm going to rule out of

02:45:46.080 --> 02:45:49.080
order.

02:46:01.359 --> 02:46:04.295
So, point two would then read,

02:46:04.319 --> 02:46:05.896
receive quarterly progress updates on

02:46:05.920 --> 02:46:07.415
implementation of identified actions or

02:46:07.439 --> 02:46:09.176
any proposed new actions contained

02:46:09.200 --> 02:46:10.856
within for the duration of this council

02:46:10.880 --> 02:46:13.880
term. Sorry.

02:46:20.399 --> 02:46:21.576
It's also on the screen in front of you

02:46:21.600 --> 02:46:24.295
as well.

02:46:24.319 --> 02:46:27.319
I've been looking

02:46:27.840 --> 02:46:29.496
right.

02:46:29.520 --> 02:46:31.816
Thank you.

02:46:31.840 --> 02:46:33.976
First council O'Donnell. Is that

02:46:34.000 --> 02:46:37.000
acceptable as the second?

02:46:42.560 --> 02:46:45.560
Come on, counselor.

02:46:45.600 --> 02:46:48.056
I'm not I'm not intimidating.

02:46:48.080 --> 02:46:51.080
Encouraging.

02:46:56.880 --> 02:46:59.880
Correct. So quarterly and then adding in

02:47:00.560 --> 02:47:03.560
proposed new actions.

02:47:11.680 --> 02:47:14.680
I'm going to short circuit this be.

02:47:14.720 --> 02:47:17.415
I'm I'm going to I'm going to not

02:47:17.439 --> 02:47:19.656
support it as the mover and I'm going to

02:47:19.680 --> 02:47:21.415
then put it as an amendment. Can I just

02:47:21.439 --> 02:47:23.415
check? Can I do a procedural motion to

02:47:23.439 --> 02:47:24.455
extend the meeting on top of an

02:47:24.479 --> 02:47:27.479
amendment?

02:47:29.680 --> 02:47:30.295
Okay,

02:47:30.319 --> 02:47:32.056
let's not debate it. I'll put it

02:47:32.080 --> 02:47:33.096
Yeah, because we need to Otherwise, we

02:47:33.120 --> 02:47:34.136
need to extend the meeting.

02:47:34.160 --> 02:47:35.656
I'm happy to put it to a vote.

02:47:35.680 --> 02:47:37.816
Okay.

02:47:37.840 --> 02:47:39.415
and hopefully it gets supported because

02:47:39.439 --> 02:47:40.455
if everyone doesn't support

02:47:40.479 --> 02:47:43.479
I need a seconder for this motion for

02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:46.840
this amendment please.

02:47:47.760 --> 02:47:50.536
I might not even get that.

02:47:50.560 --> 02:47:52.696
I'll note that that has not been

02:47:52.720 --> 02:47:55.720
seconded.

02:47:56.720 --> 02:47:58.776
He didn't put his hand up. I I had

02:47:58.800 --> 02:48:01.800
asked.

02:48:05.840 --> 02:48:08.840
So it has lapsed.

02:48:09.120 --> 02:48:11.656
Can I please have a motion to extend the

02:48:11.680 --> 02:48:13.415
meeting?

02:48:13.439 --> 02:48:16.439
Council Agirtan. How long do we think? An

02:48:16.640 --> 02:48:19.640
hour. Can we do it in an hour?

02:48:20.000 --> 02:48:21.736
Okay, we'll do 90 minutes and we'll work

02:48:21.760 --> 02:48:24.616
hard. Council Agirtan. Extension of the

02:48:24.640 --> 02:48:27.640
meeting till 11:30.

02:48:28.240 --> 02:48:31.240
A second. Councelor O'Donnell.

02:48:32.560 --> 02:48:35.335
All those in favor of the extension of

02:48:35.359 --> 02:48:38.056
the meeting.

02:48:38.080 --> 02:48:41.080
Oh, come on. Councelor O'Donnell,

02:48:41.120 --> 02:48:44.120
Councelor Athanasopoulos, Councelor White,

02:48:44.800 --> 02:48:47.800
Council Agirtan,

02:48:48.160 --> 02:48:50.295
and myself.

02:48:50.319 --> 02:48:51.816
All those against the extension of the

02:48:51.840 --> 02:48:53.736
meeting,

02:48:53.760 --> 02:48:54.696
we're just going to have to come back

02:48:54.720 --> 02:48:57.496
tomorrow. Councelor Howe,

02:48:57.520 --> 02:48:59.576
Councelor Erevnidis, Councelor Ashworth-Collett

02:48:59.600 --> 02:49:02.295
 and Councelor Hill.

02:49:02.319 --> 02:49:04.616
Who hasn't voted?

02:49:04.640 --> 02:49:06.056
Councelor Saab, are you against the

02:49:06.080 --> 02:49:08.616
extension of the meeting?

02:49:08.640 --> 02:49:09.415
Yes.

02:49:09.439 --> 02:49:10.936
Okay. So, that is against the extension

02:49:10.960 --> 02:49:13.960
of the meeting. 1 2 3 4 5. Who hasn't

02:49:14.000 --> 02:49:17.000
voted? I'm four.

02:49:19.279 --> 02:49:22.279
And that is carried on my casting vote.

02:49:24.640 --> 02:49:27.640
That was close.

02:49:29.120 --> 02:49:31.896
Right, we'll go back to the substantive

02:49:31.920 --> 02:49:34.776
motion.

02:49:34.800 --> 02:49:36.136
Are there any councilors that wish to

02:49:36.160 --> 02:49:37.576
speak to the substantive that haven't

02:49:37.600 --> 02:49:39.816
already spoken?

02:49:39.840 --> 02:49:42.216
I think you've already spoken.

02:49:42.240 --> 02:49:44.136
Not to the substantive.

02:49:44.160 --> 02:49:45.656
 councelor O'Donnell has moved that

02:49:45.680 --> 02:49:48.680
the substantive be put.

02:49:49.520 --> 02:49:51.736
Sorry, mayor. Just a point of order. I

02:49:51.760 --> 02:49:53.335
had my hand up

02:49:53.359 --> 02:49:55.096
a put motion can be moved at any point

02:49:55.120 --> 02:49:56.696
in time when there is not a speaker

02:49:56.720 --> 02:49:59.720
speaking.

02:50:04.160 --> 02:50:07.160
So the motion now be put. A seconder for

02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:11.000
the put motion. Council Agirtan.

02:50:13.600 --> 02:50:15.096
All those in favor that the motion now

02:50:15.120 --> 02:50:17.176
be put.

02:50:17.200 --> 02:50:19.415
That is councelor Howe, Councelor

02:50:19.439 --> 02:50:21.496
O'Donnell, councelor White, Council

02:50:21.520 --> 02:50:23.576
Agirtan, councelor Erevnidis, councelor

02:50:23.600 --> 02:50:26.295
Ashworth-Colette

02:50:26.319 --> 02:50:29.176
and councelor Hill.

02:50:29.200 --> 02:50:32.056
All those against

02:50:32.080 --> 02:50:34.936
councelor Saab and abstaining, councelor

02:50:34.960 --> 02:50:37.335
Athanasopoulos and myself, that port

02:50:37.359 --> 02:50:40.359
motion is carried.

02:50:43.279 --> 02:50:44.455
 so we need to go back to the

02:50:44.479 --> 02:50:47.479
substantive

02:51:11.920 --> 02:51:14.455
Right, we'll now move

02:51:14.479 --> 02:51:16.696
to the vote on the substantive All those

02:51:16.720 --> 02:51:19.720
in favor

02:51:19.840 --> 02:51:21.656
that is councelor howe councelor

02:51:21.680 --> 02:51:23.656
O'Donnell councelor Agirtan councelor

02:51:23.680 --> 02:51:26.680
Erevnidis and myself all those against

02:51:28.319 --> 02:51:30.776
councelor Athanosopoulos councelor White

02:51:30.800 --> 02:51:33.800
councelor Saab councelor Ashworth-Colette

02:51:33.920 --> 02:51:35.736
and abstaining

02:51:35.760 --> 02:51:38.295
councelor Hill and that is carried on my

02:51:38.319 --> 02:51:41.319
casting vote

02:51:44.000 --> 02:51:47.000
finish

02:51:47.520 --> 02:51:49.976
I'll move to item 11.4 which is the

02:51:50.000 --> 02:51:53.000
draft council social media policy.

02:51:53.920 --> 02:51:56.920
What's what's your question?

02:51:57.520 --> 02:51:59.736
If an item is still in progress and

02:51:59.760 --> 02:52:01.816
hasn't been finished,

02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:03.976
can somebody make a

02:52:04.000 --> 02:52:06.536
attempt to claim a motion on the next

02:52:06.560 --> 02:52:08.216
item while we're still in play on the

02:52:08.240 --> 02:52:10.776
current one?

02:52:10.800 --> 02:52:13.800
So, so once I have called the vote being

02:52:14.319 --> 02:52:16.056
carried,

02:52:16.080 --> 02:52:17.976
the practice has been to accept then

02:52:18.000 --> 02:52:19.736
someone standing up to move the next

02:52:19.760 --> 02:52:22.216
item. If I haven't called the vote of

02:52:22.240 --> 02:52:25.240
the previous item, then I would say no.

02:52:26.479 --> 02:52:29.096
But if I've called the vote, if I've

02:52:29.120 --> 02:52:30.856
called the vote, I I will allow the

02:52:30.880 --> 02:52:33.880
person that is then has their hand up.

02:52:35.120 --> 02:52:36.936
Councelor O'Donnell

02:52:36.960 --> 02:52:39.960
 of the I'd like to  move the

02:52:40.960 --> 02:52:43.960
alternate motion that was circulated.

02:52:44.000 --> 02:52:47.000
Yes. Thank you.

02:52:47.120 --> 02:52:48.536
Can you just check that that is the one

02:52:48.560 --> 02:52:51.560
that you are moving?

02:52:53.439 --> 02:52:56.439
Thank you. A seconder for this motion.

02:52:56.880 --> 02:52:59.880
Councelor Agirtan.

02:53:03.359 --> 02:53:06.359
Councelor O'Donnell.

02:53:10.160 --> 02:53:11.896
preserve

02:53:11.920 --> 02:53:14.920
councelor Agirtan.

02:53:15.040 --> 02:53:16.536
Thank you, madame mayor. I just wanted

02:53:16.560 --> 02:53:19.560
to thank the officers um for doing all

02:53:19.760 --> 02:53:22.696
this work. It was quite helpful and 

02:53:22.720 --> 02:53:25.415
it was particularly helpful

02:53:25.439 --> 02:53:27.816
um to work through certain scenarios in

02:53:27.840 --> 02:53:30.840
relation to social media. Um I think

02:53:31.680 --> 02:53:33.896
what the alternate motion is attempting

02:53:33.920 --> 02:53:36.920
to do is to retain all of this work and

02:53:37.040 --> 02:53:40.040
apply it as a guideline. Um my concern

02:53:40.800 --> 02:53:43.415
with a policy would be that it is

02:53:43.439 --> 02:53:46.439
honorous on us individuals who don't

02:53:46.560 --> 02:53:49.560
have a media department with 30 staff

02:53:50.080 --> 02:53:53.080
like  local government  entities. So

02:53:54.479 --> 02:53:57.096
um I think it's

02:53:57.120 --> 02:54:00.056
a good balance between maintaining

02:54:00.080 --> 02:54:01.736
freedom of speech, freedom of

02:54:01.760 --> 02:54:04.760
expression, robust debate as we all um

02:54:05.279 --> 02:54:07.896
know and appreciate it whilst not being

02:54:07.920 --> 02:54:10.455
too honorous on individual councils and

02:54:10.479 --> 02:54:12.696
I am looking forward to supporting it

02:54:12.720 --> 02:54:14.455
tonight. Thank you.

02:54:14.479 --> 02:54:16.056
Thank you councelor Agirtan. Are there

02:54:16.080 --> 02:54:18.295
any other counselors?

02:54:18.319 --> 02:54:21.319
Councelor White.

02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:28.216
Um yeah, I think this is a much better

02:54:28.240 --> 02:54:31.240
way  to go about it. Um  in

02:54:32.399 --> 02:54:35.399
parliament  on the 13th of May very

02:54:35.439 --> 02:54:36.936
recently

02:54:36.960 --> 02:54:39.960
um it was  s a review of the code of

02:54:40.640 --> 02:54:43.640
conduct was successful. Um because what

02:54:43.840 --> 02:54:45.415
we're seeing is we're seeing a lot of

02:54:45.439 --> 02:54:48.295
Supreme Court cases while you know Labor

02:54:48.319 --> 02:54:50.856
and the state government think that they

02:54:50.880 --> 02:54:53.880
can kind of put this type of um  you

02:54:55.120 --> 02:54:57.335
know legislation into play when it when

02:54:57.359 --> 02:54:59.415
it comes to the reality of it. it

02:54:59.439 --> 02:55:01.896
doesn't stand up in a court of law

02:55:01.920 --> 02:55:04.920
because if you go okay one there's going

02:55:05.439 --> 02:55:08.056
to be a review of the code of conduct

02:55:08.080 --> 02:55:10.616
because it's being weaponized

02:55:10.640 --> 02:55:13.640
and then you go two you then expect our

02:55:14.800 --> 02:55:16.295
community

02:55:16.319 --> 02:55:19.319
to behave in a way

02:55:19.680 --> 02:55:22.295
that this code of conduct expects you to

02:55:22.319 --> 02:55:24.136
behave and then and then you're meant to

02:55:24.160 --> 02:55:26.936
police it all day every day right and

02:55:26.960 --> 02:55:29.960
then so so say say you know someone, you

02:55:30.240 --> 02:55:32.216
know, political enemy gets on, they put

02:55:32.240 --> 02:55:34.056
some nasty comment in the middle of the

02:55:34.080 --> 02:55:35.736
night, you know, and then and then you

02:55:35.760 --> 02:55:38.136
get, you know, you get, I don't know,

02:55:38.160 --> 02:55:39.496
what are they going to suspend your

02:55:39.520 --> 02:55:42.520
week, 21 days?

02:55:42.880 --> 02:55:44.696
But I mean, really, you take that to a

02:55:44.720 --> 02:55:47.720
court of law, they go, well, no, that's

02:55:48.160 --> 02:55:51.160
not fair and that's not reasonable. ,

02:55:51.200 --> 02:55:53.415
so let's not I like this because it's

02:55:53.439 --> 02:55:55.255
not going to give, you know, labor

02:55:55.279 --> 02:55:57.415
counselors that like to blow stuff up

02:55:57.439 --> 02:55:59.415
any more ammunition.

02:55:59.439 --> 02:56:02.439
Um, and yeah, I think that um, , yeah,

02:56:05.279 --> 02:56:07.096
you know, when we start playing in the

02:56:07.120 --> 02:56:10.120
realm of like, oh, well, it says it

02:56:10.880 --> 02:56:13.880
limits your human rights. I mean, it's

02:56:15.359 --> 02:56:18.359
just such a disgusting place to play in.

02:56:18.560 --> 02:56:21.560
And then um yeah, anyway, I don't know

02:56:21.600 --> 02:56:23.255
what else I was going to say about it,

02:56:23.279 --> 02:56:26.279
but um I think that's the right decision

02:56:26.399 --> 02:56:28.696
because at the end of the day, I mean,

02:56:28.720 --> 02:56:30.616
it's just making up nonsense that

02:56:30.640 --> 02:56:32.455
doesn't really legally have a leg to

02:56:32.479 --> 02:56:34.295
stand on. So, I think this is a much

02:56:34.319 --> 02:56:36.776
better way of going about it.

02:56:36.800 --> 02:56:38.776
Thank you, Councelor White. Are there

02:56:38.800 --> 02:56:41.800
any other counselors on this motion?

02:56:42.720 --> 02:56:45.720
Council Ashworth Colette.

02:56:46.560 --> 02:56:48.295
in workshops we've been doing the number

02:56:48.319 --> 02:56:50.455
one issue we're finding as a group is

02:56:50.479 --> 02:56:52.536
social media that we don't want to make

02:56:52.560 --> 02:56:54.455
changes which I find incredibly

02:56:54.479 --> 02:56:57.016
disappointing might ask the question

02:56:57.040 --> 02:57:00.040
about what is the existing social media

02:57:00.640 --> 02:57:03.255
policy and how many sentences is it

02:57:03.279 --> 02:57:05.736
through the correct staff member please

02:57:05.760 --> 02:57:07.576
may I

02:57:07.600 --> 02:57:10.600
Mr. Hogan.

02:57:11.760 --> 02:57:14.696
 thank you and through the chair. Um

02:57:14.720 --> 02:57:16.536
the current policy in place that

02:57:16.560 --> 02:57:19.335
moderates social media um in relation to

02:57:19.359 --> 02:57:20.856
councilors is the media and

02:57:20.880 --> 02:57:23.736
communications policy that was 

02:57:23.760 --> 02:57:25.656
adopted by this council on the 23rd of

02:57:25.680 --> 02:57:27.976
June 2025.

02:57:28.000 --> 02:57:30.136
um specific

02:57:30.160 --> 02:57:31.896
um

02:57:31.920 --> 02:57:34.920
in regards to

02:57:36.160 --> 02:57:39.160
 council of communications. There is

02:57:42.080 --> 02:57:45.080
five or six paragraphs in addition to um

02:57:46.560 --> 02:57:48.216
information on regarding political

02:57:48.240 --> 02:57:51.240
content which is similar. Um the

02:57:52.560 --> 02:57:54.455
fundamental premise of the current media

02:57:54.479 --> 02:57:56.295
and communications policy is that it is

02:57:56.319 --> 02:57:58.696
not particularly concerned with the

02:57:58.720 --> 02:58:01.720
channels in which councelor may um

02:58:01.760 --> 02:58:04.616
communicate but rather the  behaviors

02:58:04.640 --> 02:58:06.696
and standards of conduct and the

02:58:06.720 --> 02:58:09.576
applicable legislation.

02:58:09.600 --> 02:58:12.600
Thank you.

02:58:12.720 --> 02:58:14.536
Are there any other counselors on this

02:58:14.560 --> 02:58:17.560
item?

02:58:20.240 --> 02:58:22.216
There being none, council O'Donnell, do

02:58:22.240 --> 02:58:25.240
you wish to close

02:58:26.160 --> 02:58:29.160
briefly? Thank you, Mayor Oxley. Um,

02:58:29.520 --> 02:58:32.136
whilst there is a lot going on in this

02:58:32.160 --> 02:58:35.160
space, not just in local government, but

02:58:35.840 --> 02:58:38.840
across many, many other areas

02:58:40.720 --> 02:58:43.176
of workplaces.

02:58:43.200 --> 02:58:45.335
If you have teenagers like I do, you'll

02:58:45.359 --> 02:58:48.359
know how much fun social media space is.

02:58:49.120 --> 02:58:50.696
We

02:58:50.720 --> 02:58:53.720
do I keep going. You can for the moment.

02:58:54.160 --> 02:58:56.375
Okay.

02:58:56.399 --> 02:58:59.399
Okay. All righty. I get it now. I'm

02:58:59.920 --> 02:59:02.056
going to keep talking then. It would

02:59:02.080 --> 02:59:05.080
seem that  this initial policy also

02:59:05.840 --> 02:59:08.216
had the chance to be weaponized.

02:59:08.240 --> 02:59:10.936
um which I'm going to be very restricted

02:59:10.960 --> 02:59:13.496
on how I talk to that. But whilst we're

02:59:13.520 --> 02:59:14.856
watching throughout other councils,

02:59:14.880 --> 02:59:17.736
we've seen this being bought into

02:59:17.760 --> 02:59:20.760
um parliament at a state level.

02:59:20.960 --> 02:59:23.960
We still have freedom of speech. We have

02:59:24.240 --> 02:59:26.375
a responsibility under the model

02:59:26.399 --> 02:59:28.696
counselor code of conduct under the

02:59:28.720 --> 02:59:30.776
occupational health and safety act and

02:59:30.800 --> 02:59:31.976
I'm pretty sure that we have a

02:59:32.000 --> 02:59:33.255
responsibility under the local

02:59:33.279 --> 02:59:36.279
government act on what we do what we are

02:59:36.399 --> 02:59:39.399
restricted upon. But when there are

02:59:40.080 --> 02:59:42.295
people out there in this world, in my

02:59:42.319 --> 02:59:45.319
opinion, targeting people via so social

02:59:46.080 --> 02:59:49.080
media with fake accounts on unmonitored

02:59:50.720 --> 02:59:53.720
or poorly monitored sites, we have a

02:59:54.800 --> 02:59:57.800
huge risk as to what could happen to a

02:59:58.880 --> 03:00:01.255
counselor who innocently

03:00:01.279 --> 03:00:03.816
wasn't watching overnight, allowed a

03:00:03.840 --> 03:00:06.840
comment to take place. it was shared to

03:00:07.200 --> 03:00:10.200
another platform. The ability to put a

03:00:10.479 --> 03:00:13.176
disclaimer on Facebook when on public

03:00:13.200 --> 03:00:16.056
pages as we all have to have because we

03:00:16.080 --> 03:00:18.696
have political profiles.

03:00:18.720 --> 03:00:21.016
We have an onus already upon us. You run

03:00:21.040 --> 03:00:22.616
out of characters. Try to do that on

03:00:22.640 --> 03:00:23.896
Instagram and I wouldn't even know where

03:00:23.920 --> 03:00:25.496
to start with Tik Tok cuz I'm not very

03:00:25.520 --> 03:00:26.856
good at it or even know where to find it

03:00:26.880 --> 03:00:29.176
apart from the app.

03:00:29.200 --> 03:00:31.415
We have responsibilities. We are

03:00:31.439 --> 03:00:34.439
accountable. There are ways and means.

03:00:36.240 --> 03:00:39.240
We also run into the issue where

03:00:40.640 --> 03:00:42.936
many times can we be gagged and

03:00:42.960 --> 03:00:45.576
silenced.

03:00:45.600 --> 03:00:48.600
And I must say the removal from the

03:00:49.120 --> 03:00:52.120
counselors from the chamber or on screen

03:00:54.399 --> 03:00:57.399
is interesting to say the least.

03:00:58.720 --> 03:01:00.455
But I won't stand by something that

03:01:00.479 --> 03:01:03.479
silences counselors, tries to gag them

03:01:04.880 --> 03:01:07.880
and restrict our ability to do our job.

03:01:08.000 --> 03:01:09.656
Some of us are more pre present on

03:01:09.680 --> 03:01:11.576
social media than others. Some of us

03:01:11.600 --> 03:01:13.415
have a bigger profile than probably all

03:01:13.439 --> 03:01:15.096
of us combined together, including the

03:01:15.120 --> 03:01:16.936
city of Kingston.

03:01:16.960 --> 03:01:19.255
But whilst I have to watch posts go up

03:01:19.279 --> 03:01:20.936
by the city of Kingston that I don't

03:01:20.960 --> 03:01:23.415
necessarily endorse,

03:01:23.439 --> 03:01:26.136
I'm making posts to inform my community

03:01:26.160 --> 03:01:28.295
of what is taking place. and I will

03:01:28.319 --> 03:01:31.319
continue to do that in a respectful,

03:01:31.439 --> 03:01:34.439
orderly manner.

03:01:34.960 --> 03:01:36.375
Thank you,

03:01:36.399 --> 03:01:39.176
Councelor O'Donnell. I will now put that

03:01:39.200 --> 03:01:42.200
to the vote.

03:01:49.359 --> 03:01:52.359
All those in favor

03:01:53.920 --> 03:01:56.295
that is councelor O'Donnell, council

03:01:56.319 --> 03:01:57.976
white, councelor Agirtan, councelor

03:01:58.000 --> 03:02:01.000
Erevnidis and myself. All those against

03:02:03.120 --> 03:02:05.576
councelor Ashworth-Colette

03:02:05.600 --> 03:02:08.600
that is carried.

03:02:13.040 --> 03:02:16.040
I'd now like to ask

03:02:16.800 --> 03:02:19.800
so bad. Um, I'll just pause for a

03:02:19.840 --> 03:02:22.840
moment.

03:03:46.560 --> 03:03:49.560
 for those in the public gallery and

03:03:49.760 --> 03:03:51.335
for those who I'm assuming are still

03:03:51.359 --> 03:03:54.359
being live streamed. Wonderful. Um we

03:03:55.040 --> 03:03:57.335
have lost quorum of this council meeting

03:03:57.359 --> 03:03:59.335
as a number of councilors have chosen to

03:03:59.359 --> 03:04:01.736
leave the meeting um for whatever reason

03:04:01.760 --> 03:04:04.136
that may be. We do require a quorum in

03:04:04.160 --> 03:04:05.816
order to continue the meeting. So the

03:04:05.840 --> 03:04:07.576
items that are left currently on the

03:04:07.600 --> 03:04:09.896
council meeting agenda unfortunately

03:04:09.920 --> 03:04:11.255
including a very important item

03:04:11.279 --> 03:04:13.576
including the adoption of the budget

03:04:13.600 --> 03:04:15.335
cannot be voted on this evening because

03:04:15.359 --> 03:04:16.856
councilors have chosen to leave the

03:04:16.880 --> 03:04:19.880
meeting. So the meeting has now lapsed

03:04:22.479 --> 03:04:24.455
and we will be required to reconvene

03:04:24.479 --> 03:04:26.936
this meeting at a later point in time.

03:04:26.960 --> 03:04:29.255
We will endeavor to provide notice to

03:04:29.279 --> 03:04:31.656
the community so that that that can be

03:04:31.680 --> 03:04:33.736
recalled.

03:04:33.760 --> 03:04:35.335
Thank you to all of those who joined us

03:04:35.359 --> 03:04:37.096
in our public gallery and to those

03:04:37.120 --> 03:04:39.096
watching on the live stream at home.

03:04:39.120 --> 03:04:42.120
Thank you.